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American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:00 pm

Effective immediately, American Airlines has suspended its operations to Venezuela. This is followed after a request of suspension from a worker’s union stating that it wasn’t safe for the tripulation.
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:10 pm

Were these flights on the 737 Max?
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:11 pm

No not on the Max. Flights are suspended due to the unrest and lack of safety for the cockpit and cabin crews. Did you not see what happened to the Air Europa crew a few days ago?
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:14 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
Were these flights on the 737 Max?

B738 and B752 mostly
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:29 pm

Related to safety concerns would be that this week the US Department of State announced it was pulling out all of it's diplomatic staff and closing the embassy. Since I would assume most of AA's flight crews are either US citizens or permanent residents, should something happen, lack of consular support for citizens is a serious concern.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:42 pm

IMO AA could have kept operations in Venezuela going considering that they didn’t keep their crew overnight but it still leaves a message for those in charge that things WILL change for the better but it involves them not being in the picture.

Meanwhile the only one benefiting from this mess is Copa.
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:05 pm

pipeafcr wrote:
IMO AA could have kept operations in Venezuela going considering that they didn’t keep their crew overnight but it still leaves a message for those in charge that things WILL change for the better but it involves them not being in the picture.

Meanwhile the only one benefiting from this mess is Copa.


Not really.

Because Copa transported the "interim president" Juan Guaidó on March 4th, the Instituto Nacional de Aeronáutica Civil de Venezuela (INAC) opened an investigation that may cause posible sanctions in the future. Even the president of the National Assembly, Diosdado Cabello said that if it were to him, Copa will never land again in Venezuela.

https://metrolibre.com/actualidad-y-pol%C3%ADtica/nacionales/162374-copa-confirma-que-gobierno-de-maduro-le-abri%C3%B3-un-expediente.html
http://www.eluniversal.com/politica/35283/cabello-sobre-apagon-nacional-el-pueblo-soporto-aguanto-resistio-y-vencio

Copa says that it will keep operating to Venezuela despite the intimidation.
https://impresa.prensa.com/economia/Copa-seguira-operando-Venezuela-intimidacion_0_5258474167.html

The question is for how long? Also since the big blackout, only carry on luggage has been allowed from CCS or maybe the restrictions were lifted just a couple of days ago.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:07 pm

Keep politics out of this thread. Political discussion belongs in the Non Aviation Forum.

Here is a source https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/15/america ... nrest.html

Just as a reminder: users are required to provide a source when creating a thread regarding a current event. It shouldn't be the job of other users to validate the topic.

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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:12 pm

Good on the APA for forcing the bean counters hands. The crews should not be subject to unsafe working conditions.

I also pray that the citizens of Venezuela get some relief soon. It is/has been a very sad state of affairs.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:28 pm

Regardless of politics, if the US government is pulling all diplomats out of Venezuela out of concern for their safety, it would make little sense for AA to operate to Caracas even if they aren't keeping crews there overnight. At some point, its just not worth the risk to the crew safety.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:34 pm

ipelyhe wrote:
peterinlisbon wrote:
Were these flights on the 737 Max?

B738 and B752 mostly

Perfect frames to cover max flights
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:54 pm

It’s only two planes
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:08 pm

So who is left now flying into CCS? Air Europa, COPA, and...?
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:06 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
So who is left now flying into CCS? Air Europa, COPA, and...?


Air France, Caribbean Airlines, Cubana de Aviacion, Iberia, TAP Air, Turkish.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:39 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
So who is left now flying into CCS? Air Europa, COPA, and...?


I tried the Avior and Laser websites for MIA-CCS using several date combinations but couldn't book a flight on either that was actually bookable. Is any airline flying US-Venezuela at all?
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:52 pm

ualcsr wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
So who is left now flying into CCS? Air Europa, COPA, and...?


I tried the Avior and Laser websites for MIA-CCS using several date combinations but couldn't book a flight on either that was actually bookable. Is any airline flying US-Venezuela at all?


Avior, LASER and Estelar are flying from Caracas, Maracaibo and Barcelona (Venezuela) to MIA. All of them, except Avior on the BLA-MIA sector, which is done with its A340, are done wet leasing equipment from Swift and Eastern. Not sure how long those American pilots will be willing to continue flying into Venezuela. With the US consulate & embassy closed in CCS, good luck if something happened there... they'd be on their own!
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:55 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
No not on the Max. Flights are suspended due to the unrest and lack of safety for the cockpit and cabin crews. Did you not see what happened to the Air Europa crew a few days ago?


Also just happens to free up some Miami capacity to cover Max flights. How convenient....but still a good idea.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:07 am

Boof02671 wrote:
No not on the Max. Flights are suspended due to the unrest and lack of safety for the cockpit and cabin crews. Did you not see what happened to the Air Europa crew a few days ago?


What happened to that UX crew?
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:14 am

lugie wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No not on the Max. Flights are suspended due to the unrest and lack of safety for the cockpit and cabin crews. Did you not see what happened to the Air Europa crew a few days ago?


What happened to that UX crew?

They were assaulted getting back to their hotel near the airport.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:17 am

It was a bit more than assaault it was a gun battle

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... zuela/amp/
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:26 am

Boof02671 wrote:
It was a bit more than assaault it was a gun battle

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... zuela/amp/
MalevTU134 wrote:
lugie wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
No not on the Max. Flights are suspended due to the unrest and lack of safety for the cockpit and cabin crews. Did you not see what happened to the Air Europa crew a few days ago?


What happened to that UX crew?

They were assaulted getting back to their hotel near the airport.


Thank you! Very unnerving to read and a good move imo to add the stop in PUJ to rest crews there
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:31 am

Boof02671 wrote:
It was a bit more than assaault it was a gun battle

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... zuela/amp/

That is what we call an assault in Venezuela. Mugsters are never polite or educated here, they don't ask kindly or hesitate to use their weapons.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:35 am

Big difference an assault means a physical fight, which there wasn’t, it was shots fired.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:43 am

I was so surprised that any US airlines were still flying to CCS. Guess they were waiting for Pres. Maduro to hijack one of their planes.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:48 am

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I was so surprised that any US airlines were still flying to CCS. Guess they were waiting for Pres. Maduro to hijack one of their planes.

Not trying to be smart or anything, but you managed to show your ignorance three times in 3 lines. ;)

1) AA has flown for decades to CCS and MAR, 3 flights a day for the last few years.
2) Maduro is not President
3) Neither is he or his gang known for hijacking commercial airliners.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:29 am

I find it amazing that AA upper management is not acting on these dangerous situations until after the unions take a strong stand. First the AA F/A union regarding the Max 8 and then the AA pilot union regarding service to Venezuela. Why are the higher ups at AA not providing leadership on these issues? Are they so preoccupied with trying to figure out how to jam more seats on their planes that they don't have time to keep up with these issues?
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:41 am

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Regardless of politics, if the US government is pulling all diplomats out of Venezuela out of concern for their safety, it would make little sense for AA to operate to Caracas even if they aren't keeping crews there overnight. At some point, its just not worth the risk to the crew safety.


The crews do not overnight. They could potentially continue with a volunteer system- hazard pay bonus for anyone who wants to go. AA is making a fortune on those flights.
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Antarius wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
Regardless of politics, if the US government is pulling all diplomats out of Venezuela out of concern for their safety, it would make little sense for AA to operate to Caracas even if they aren't keeping crews there overnight. At some point, its just not worth the risk to the crew safety.


The crews do not overnight. They could potentially continue with a volunteer system- hazard pay bonus for anyone who wants to go. AA is making a fortune on those flights.

You don’t put money over lives and safety of your employees And AA lost $592 million in Venezuela, I doubt they made up those loses.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amer ... OI20160112
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:14 am

It was my understanding that on a recent AA flight, there were issues getting fuel and getting the plane back this almost forced the crew to have to overnight in CCS which they want to avoid at all cost. Maybe they cancel for a week hoping the power outage/shortages settle for a bit
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:24 am

No surprise here.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:26 am

Im shocked they were still flying there. It makes sense to suspend with the deteriorating situation within the country to not put your people in that situation.
 
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:30 am

Boof02671 wrote:
No not on the Max. Flights are suspended due to the unrest and lack of safety for the cockpit and cabin crews. Did you not see what happened to the Air Europa crew a few days ago?

There must be a shootout of one of the crew.
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:50 am

Boof02671 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
Regardless of politics, if the US government is pulling all diplomats out of Venezuela out of concern for their safety, it would make little sense for AA to operate to Caracas even if they aren't keeping crews there overnight. At some point, its just not worth the risk to the crew safety.


The crews do not overnight. They could potentially continue with a volunteer system- hazard pay bonus for anyone who wants to go. AA is making a fortune on those flights.

You don’t put money over lives and safety of your employees And AA lost $592 million in Venezuela, I doubt they made up those loses.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amer ... OI20160112


I've been to far more dangerous places than doing a turn and not overnighting in CCS. But it was voluntary and I was perfectly fine with it.

Theres a difference between forcing someone to operate in a dangerous place and incentivizing people.
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

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It was my understanding that on a recent AA flight, there were issues getting fuel and getting the plane back this almost forced the crew to have to overnight in CCS which they want to avoid at all cost. Maybe they cancel for a week hoping the power outage/shortages settle for a bit


Sorry but AA will not be back until the country is safe again.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:47 pm

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3) Neither is he or his gang known for hijacking commercial airliners.


Yet. As the situation there continues to deteriorate, who knows what these individuals are capable of? Given the right amount of desperation...
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Venezuela747 wrote:
It was my understanding that on a recent AA flight, there were issues getting fuel and getting the plane back this almost forced the crew to have to overnight in CCS which they want to avoid at all cost. Maybe they cancel for a week hoping the power outage/shortages settle for a bit


I can recall an MIA-CCS flight having to remain overnight a few days ago, but I guarantee you it was not a fueling issue.

AA hasn’t overnighted crews in Venezuela since the protests started in 2014. For similar reasons, AA will also not overnight crews in Haiti and will delay the flight until the next morning if need be.

Boof02671 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
Regardless of politics, if the US government is pulling all diplomats out of Venezuela out of concern for their safety, it would make little sense for AA to operate to Caracas even if they aren't keeping crews there overnight. At some point, its just not worth the risk to the crew safety.


The crews do not overnight. They could potentially continue with a volunteer system- hazard pay bonus for anyone who wants to go. AA is making a fortune on those flights.

You don’t put money over lives and safety of your employees And AA lost $592 million in Venezuela, I doubt they made up those loses.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amer ... OI20160112


IIRC, the losses were because they couldn’t convert money they’d been paid from Venezuelan currency to dollars, and thus the money was stuck in the country since the Bolivar is essentially useless everywhere else.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:55 pm

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IIRC, the losses were because they couldn’t convert money they’d been paid from Venezuelan currency to dollars, and thus the money was stuck in the country since the Bolivar is essentially useless everywhere else.


Yes. And AA wrote it off. Sunk cost.

Future business has and had no bearing on this.
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OB1504 wrote:
Venezuela747 wrote:
It was my understanding that on a recent AA flight, there were issues getting fuel and getting the plane back this almost forced the crew to have to overnight in CCS which they want to avoid at all cost. Maybe they cancel for a week hoping the power outage/shortages settle for a bit


I can recall an MIA-CCS flight having to remain overnight a few days ago, but I guarantee you it was not a fueling issue.

AA hasn’t overnighted crews in Venezuela since the protests started in 2014. For similar reasons, AA will also not overnight crews in Haiti and will delay the flight until the next morning if need be.


What happens if a plane goes MX once in Haiti or Venezuela? I'm guessing AA just gets a rescue plane down there ASAP no matter the time of day to get the crew and pax back home?
 
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STLflyer wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Venezuela747 wrote:
It was my understanding that on a recent AA flight, there were issues getting fuel and getting the plane back this almost forced the crew to have to overnight in CCS which they want to avoid at all cost. Maybe they cancel for a week hoping the power outage/shortages settle for a bit


I can recall an MIA-CCS flight having to remain overnight a few days ago, but I guarantee you it was not a fueling issue.

AA hasn’t overnighted crews in Venezuela since the protests started in 2014. For similar reasons, AA will also not overnight crews in Haiti and will delay the flight until the next morning if need be.


What happens if a plane goes MX once in Haiti or Venezuela? I'm guessing AA just gets a rescue plane down there ASAP no matter the time of day to get the crew and pax back home?


I would imagine that incoming flights keep one eye on the route to CCS and one eye on the alternate airport. The closest non-Venezuelan airport I can locate is Bonaire (BON).

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Ironic that MIA-CCS directly overflies BON. I can imagine that, if not BON, then either AUA or CUR would be the designated diversion if even a HINT of something possibly affecting a take-off shows up. Might there even be a special check-list at that point of last decision?
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:17 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

I can recall an MIA-CCS flight having to remain overnight a few days ago, but I guarantee you it was not a fueling issue.

AA hasn’t overnighted crews in Venezuela since the protests started in 2014. For similar reasons, AA will also not overnight crews in Haiti and will delay the flight until the next morning if need be.


What happens if a plane goes MX once in Haiti or Venezuela? I'm guessing AA just gets a rescue plane down there ASAP no matter the time of day to get the crew and pax back home?


I would imagine that incoming flights keep one eye on the route to CCS and one eye on the alternate airport. The closest non-Venezuelan airport I can locate is Bonaire (BON).

Image

Ironic that MIA-CCS directly overflies BON. I can imagine that, if not BON, then either AUA or CUR would be the designated diversion if even a HINT of something possibly affecting a take-off shows up. Might there even be a special check-list at that point of last decision?


Stuff could still go wrong once in CCS, I'd be curious to know what the plan is to get the crew out if the plane can't take off.
 
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Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:39 pm

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Stuff could still go wrong once in CCS, I'd be curious to know what the plan is to get the crew out if the plane can't take off.


And without embassy or consulate in situ to protect them should anything go awry. Which in today's Venezuela, is highly likely.
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Im shocked they were still flying there. It makes sense to suspend with the deteriorating situation within the country to not put your people in that situation.


Dangers aside, it’s insanely profitable. Money printing machine.
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MAH4546 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
Im shocked they were still flying there. It makes sense to suspend with the deteriorating situation within the country to not put your people in that situation.


Dangers aside, it’s insanely profitable. Money printing machine.


How good was the LF? I know companies prefer profit per ticket before full flight, just want to know how many people still want to go to Venezuela. Were they empty on the first leg to CCS as usually happens?
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MAH4546 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
Im shocked they were still flying there. It makes sense to suspend with the deteriorating situation within the country to not put your people in that situation.


Dangers aside, it’s insanely profitable. Money printing machine.

That's assuming they're able to repatriate that money though. I don't recall that situation ever being remedied, other than AA writing off millions of Bolivars they weren't able to repatriate. The Venezuelan government was requiring airlines to sell something like half of their tickets in Bolivars, weren't they?
 
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atcsundevil wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
Im shocked they were still flying there. It makes sense to suspend with the deteriorating situation within the country to not put your people in that situation.


Dangers aside, it’s insanely profitable. Money printing machine.

That's assuming they're able to repatriate that money though. I don't recall that situation ever being remedied, other than AA writing off millions of Bolivars they weren't able to repatriate. The Venezuelan government was requiring airlines to sell something like half of their tickets in Bolivars, weren't they?


Isn't this one of the reasons the CCS Admirals Club closed?
 
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Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:16 am

They used to fly JFK CCS too

Too dangerous and risky at this point.

No power was just the icing on the cake
 
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atcsundevil wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
Im shocked they were still flying there. It makes sense to suspend with the deteriorating situation within the country to not put your people in that situation.


Dangers aside, it’s insanely profitable. Money printing machine.

That's assuming they're able to repatriate that money though. I don't recall that situation ever being remedied, other than AA writing off millions of Bolivars they weren't able to repatriate. The Venezuelan government was requiring airlines to sell something like half of their tickets in Bolivars, weren't they?


There is no money to repatriate. Any money AA had stuck in Venezuela, confiscated, is gone and most airlines, if not all, have written it off. Since then, AA (or any non Venezuelan airline [*]) that continued to operate there, do not sell locally in Bolivares. All sales are done outside of Venezuela, or via international OTAs (think Despegar.com or Expedia.com) or with a foreign-issued credit card. All AA could do at the CTO in Caracas (assuming there is still one) are admin duties that do not involve payments. I am not aware of the government requiring foreign airlines to sell an x number of tickets in Bolivares.

[*] Up to not that long ago, Wingo was the only non-Venezuelan airline selling tickets in the local currency,
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That's assuming they're able to repatriate that money though. I don't recall that situation ever being remedied, other than AA writing off millions of Bolivars they weren't able to repatriate. The Venezuelan government was requiring airlines to sell something like half of their tickets in Bolivars, weren't they?


I think it was more like the US airlines were selling what they could in USD at a premium then selling the few seats left in exorbitant prices in Bolivars. I think it was basically an even trade on the few seats to offset the return fuel costs and airport fees in Bolivars. That way there was no USD or excess Bolivars left in Venezuela. The airlines gave up on repatriating the monies from the past.
That was my best understanding.

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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:34 am

jfklganyc wrote:
They used to fly JFK CCS too


That one has been gone for quite a while now. 2014? 2015?

Ionosphere wrote:

Isn't this one of the reasons the CCS Admirals Club closed?


Given the nightmare that operating in Venezuela has become, AA no longer had any competitive reason to keep it open. They were pretty much the only game in town for traveling to the US, so it must have been terribly difficult to justify the expense. For travelers, it was like, it's AA and that's it. No offense to the Venezuelan airlines, but these days, one can hardly call them competition.
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Re: American suspends service to Venezuela

Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:19 am

If it was printing money why were there only two flights a day?

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