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speedbird52
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Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:48 am

A couple years back I flew on an Iran Air Tours MD80. Now, my memory could be shoddy, but I am fairly certain that it was 6 abreast. Would this have been legal?
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:16 am

That would be quite an undertaking considering the overhead PSUs can only accommodate 5 passengers. You would also have an emergency exit issue and other problems. I am sure MD had an original plan for it. but I don't know of anyone that had it. My guess is, you were on a TU-154.
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:19 am

speedbird52 wrote:
A couple years back I flew on an Iran Air Tours MD80. Now, my memory could be shoddy, but I am fairly certain that it was 6 abreast. Would this have been legal?


Are you sure it wasn't a 727? I can't think of any way to squeeze a sixth seat in an MD-80. Not so much a matter of legal as it is practical. Most adults wouldn't fit in the seat if it was small enough to fit six across in an MD-80.
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:27 am

No, not possible. You were mistaken in the aircraft. It certainly wasn’t an MD-80.
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:29 am

nws2002 wrote:
Not so much a matter of legal as it is practical.

Pretty sure legal as well, no idea how you could get minimal aisle width with 6 seats
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:49 am

I am 110% sure it was an MD80 as if it was any of the other mentioned fleet types I would have actually lost my mind with excitement. Pretty sure I just remembered the seats wrong
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:08 am

LAX772LR wrote:
nws2002 wrote:
Not so much a matter of legal as it is practical.

Pretty sure legal as well, no idea how you could get minimal aisle width with 6 seats


I am not aware of any MD-80 with 6-abreast seating. However, Continental Airlines configured at least one DC-9 with 6-abreast seating and the DC-9 was called "DC-9 Diplomat".

Only one flight with paying passengers was made and the passengers got their money back due to complaints. It is not known officially, if the evacuation requirements were met or were tested.

Despite all research, there is so little info about the 6-abreast DC-9. It's like the rare 7-abreast HS Trident.

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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:38 pm

speedbird52 wrote:
A couple years back I flew on an Iran Air Tours MD80. Now, my memory could be shoddy, but I am fairly certain that it was 6 abreast. Would this have been legal?


The one standard 5 abreast narrowbody that could handle 6 (like a sardine) was the BAE 145/Avro RJ.

On the flip side, some early 737s were 5 abreast.
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:06 pm

I don't think you were on an MD-80. If you had a connecting flight right before or after the MD-80 one you may be remembering that flight instead and confounding the two.
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:17 pm

Hi you might like this wiki page.

It is amazing what you can do with range when you reduce payload. Other than that please remember you get more flies with honey than vinegar. So figure it out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrivatAir
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:51 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Hi you might like this wiki page.

It is amazing what you can do with range when you reduce payload. Other than that please remember you get more flies with honey than vinegar. So figure it out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrivatAir

WOW! So, you just figured out that, by fitting less pax in a 737, it can fly farther? Isn't it what the Boeing BBJ's are???

In any case, what does that have to do with the questions at hand: are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA? Please do tell...
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:20 pm

MD80 wrote:
I am not aware of any MD-80 with 6-abreast seating. However, Continental Airlines configured at least one DC-9 with 6-abreast seating and the DC-9 was called "DC-9 Diplomat".

Only one flight with paying passengers was made and the passengers got their money back due to complaints. It is not known officially, if the evacuation requirements were met or were tested.

Despite all research, there is so little info about the 6-abreast DC-9. It's like the rare 7-abreast HS Trident.

Regards


Seems like at least one time during the evolution of the MD80 it’s ancestors were FAA certified but the MD80 itself was not.

I chuckle at the thought of the Marketing Department behind the name “Diplomat!” What a PR faux pas that must have been.
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:37 pm

I’m sure you can do 6 abreast if everyone enters their seats from above like on an F16.
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:35 am

Dominion301 wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
A couple years back I flew on an Iran Air Tours MD80. Now, my memory could be shoddy, but I am fairly certain that it was 6 abreast. Would this have been legal?


The one standard 5 abreast narrowbody that could handle 6 (like a sardine) was the BAE 145/Avro RJ.

On the flip side, some early 737s were 5 abreast.

I would like to see a picture of a 5 abreast 737.
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:43 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
A couple years back I flew on an Iran Air Tours MD80. Now, my memory could be shoddy, but I am fairly certain that it was 6 abreast. Would this have been legal?


The one standard 5 abreast narrowbody that could handle 6 (like a sardine) was the BAE 145/Avro RJ.

On the flip side, some early 737s were 5 abreast.

I would like to see a picture of a 5 abreast 737.


This old thread has a couple of cabin photos: viewtopic.php?t=536241
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:57 am

Here is a seat map of the high capacity Channel Airways Trident.

The seat map is not entirely to scale on the starboard 3 seat side as you can tell by the photo of the aft cabin.

http://www.shockcone.co.uk/hs121/variants.htm
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:19 am

Channel airways in the UK managed to squeeze 99 pax onto their short body 1-11s. Apparently they were configured 6 abreast with very narrow seats. They also had an extra pair of overwing exits. I've never seen any pics or real evidence of the 6 abreast layout, but considering they operated the infamous 7 abreast trident, it seems believable.
 
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:25 am

b4thefall wrote:
Channel airways in the UK managed to squeeze 99 pax onto their short body 1-11s. Apparently they were configured 6 abreast with very narrow seats. They also had an extra pair of overwing exits. I've never seen any pics or real evidence of the 6 abreast layout, but considering they operated the infamous 7 abreast trident, it seems believable.


Apparently the 7 abreast Trident “family [email protected] were only sold to those adults traveling with small children.

It really is an interesting concept...especially for the A220 should some airline consider going to a six abreast cabin.
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Re: Are 6 abreast MD80s certified by the FAA?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:32 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
b4thefall wrote:
Channel airways in the UK managed to squeeze 99 pax onto their short body 1-11s. Apparently they were configured 6 abreast with very narrow seats. They also had an extra pair of overwing exits. I've never seen any pics or real evidence of the 6 abreast layout, but considering they operated the infamous 7 abreast trident, it seems believable.


Apparently the 7 abreast Trident “family seats” were only sold to those adults traveling with small children.

It really is an interesting concept...especially for the A220 should some airline consider going to a six abreast cabin.

Additionally should Boeing have stuck with the 767...

maybe the “family style seats” could have worked 8 abreast in the back cabin of a 767. Or even on a ULCC configured 797.
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