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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:48 am

The article says that the B78X will have 8 First Class Suites in an updated design. I believe that BA will still have F Class but the amount of planes/routes that will have it will be reduced.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:55 am

Exactly what i thought before
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:01 pm

Arion640 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Impressive- love it. However what will happen to first now? Is there a refit coming for that too?


Apparently. The 777’s are being refitted with this + a new F in around November time so i expect we’ll see it announced in the coming months.


Wasn't the current First Class launched in the last few years? When was it?

Given BA have been working on this new Club seat over the past 3 years, surely they would have designed the current F so that there was more differentiation between F and the new J?

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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:12 pm

At long last...

In my view it looks good. I’m surprised in a way, given BA’s drastic decline in quality, service and amenities across the board.

The seat is bang up to date, with good storage options, extra width (about time!), plus modern, stylish and rather British touches which will help recreate that sense of elegance that BA seemed to have lost. The very-now sliding doors are going to be very popular, dragging BA from near the back to near the front of the plane in terms of hard product.

Most importantly, it’s good to see they’re finally REALLY investing in said hard product. The only gripe is will this mean higher fares? Knowing BA, it wouldn’t surprise me!

Another surprise is that the A350s - at least this batch - won’t come with First, but the smaller B789s and B78Ws do/will. It could be suggestive that the A350s will be used for larger capacity routes where First is not so popular or needed. So the likes of LOS, NBO, ACC, BKK, EZE, plus US destinations like AUS, DEN, LAS, PHX, PHL and SAN.

Yet this doesn’t mean that the A350 overall will have no First; their 18 A35W/A35K options may well have it, when replacing the B777s in future.

What do you all think?
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:25 pm

Interesting statement from the article:

If the Club Suite seems familiar, that’s with good reason: the Super Diamond is also flown by Virgin Australia, American Airlines, Air Canada and Canada’s WestJet, China Airlines, Hong Kong Airlines, KLM and Qatar Airways.

I thought that seat looked awfully familiar. Indeed, turns out I've flown in the Super Diamond seat on at least two of my international trips, but didn't know the product name or manufacturer. It truly is a superb seat, and one in which I was able to sleep very comfortably on a 15 hour long haul international flight.
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:38 pm

Glad to see people still are gonna find a reason to hate on something, even if it's completely false and unfounded.

Back to a serious conversation, this looks amazing. Well done to BA! Combined with their updated service this should definitely make them the top carrier in Europe for Business Class travel.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:17 pm

A big improvement indeed! No more rear facing (which was a low point in BA's attempt to squeeze as much revenue out of every inch of the airplane) and a much upgraded hard product.

Looking forward to seeing the A350 with BA and also the anticipated upgrade to F. Welcome to the 21st century BA. Wonder if this will be retro fitted to the A380?

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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:26 pm

Just had a cursory glance at flights from LHR-MAD in August and September and the A350 isn't shown, just A32X and the odd 777. Will they add the A350 to the schedule or is it a case of 'take your chances'.

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Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:38 pm

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So confirmed that they are going from 8 to 4 abreast, they will be taking quite a drop in revenue for the same space, or will they increase seat price?
The pictures make it look quite nice lets hope the soft product steps up to make it a nice trip.


Your first point reflects on the misinterpretation of the current BA J seat. Because it has total freedom for leg movement, each seat requires a larger footprint than the alternatives out there.

I suspect someone will at some point do the detailed math but 2-4-2 vs 2 rows of 1-2-1 will take a marginal increase in footprint which will be compensated for by a smaller F cabin (where F currently exists: 772/773).

I will try to dig out the new 772 seat plan which may illustrate this point.

So should not be a significant decrease in J at all on a refit frame.
And I (and others) think the new soft product is nearly spot on now, teething problems aside. So all in all very competitive.

The real issue is the slow pace of the roll out frankly, with 5 frames flying later this year then the 77Ws and all further new deliveries.
Given the 787 engine issue is still having some impact, not sure they will be planning an aggressive roll out - but that may change once fleet availability improves.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:54 pm

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Another surprise is that the A350s - at least this batch - won’t come with First, but the smaller B789s and B78Ws do/will. It could be suggestive that the A350s will be used for larger capacity routes where First is not so popular or needed. So the likes of LOS, NBO, ACC, BKK, EZE, plus US destinations like AUS, DEN, LAS, PHX, PHL and SAN.

Yet this doesn’t mean that the A350 overall will have no First; their 18 A35W/A35K options may well have it, when replacing the B777s in future.

What do you all think?


Not sure about all of those destinations - LOS is very premium heavy, sees the super hi-J747 and routinely fills F and J. EZE, BKK, ACC and DEN are possibilities, as is BLR. AUS and SAN have done very well with First, AUS is about to go into its 2nd summer season on the 747 and SAN sees it regularly too. I think the likes of PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc are likely to see the 787-10 with F.

This makes BA not only one of the top carriers across the Atlantic in J but globally too - the soft product has seen a big investment and catering continually improves (Do&Co to come) and the bedding and pillow is the best in J in the sky. Big improvements yo many lounges worldwide too.

A new F seat is coming (and soft enhancements to washbags and crockery are coming soon) so the differentiation will be there and the roll out of the new Club suite is admittedly slow, however, the manufacturer can't make the seats any quicker, hence the delay.

I know the Gatwick RR 777s will be in a 32J/48W/252Y config - 4 less W than than the GEs, but I don't think they'll be seeing the new Club seat.

A good enhancement for year 100. Now to sort out the pay deal :stirthepot:
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:15 pm

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TheLion wrote:
Another surprise is that the A350s - at least this batch - won’t come with First, but the smaller B789s and B78Ws do/will. It could be suggestive that the A350s will be used for larger capacity routes where First is not so popular or needed. So the likes of LOS, NBO, ACC, BKK, EZE, plus US destinations like AUS, DEN, LAS, PHX, PHL and SAN.

Yet this doesn’t mean that the A350 overall will have no First; their 18 A35W/A35K options may well have it, when replacing the B777s in future.

What do you all think?


Not sure about all of those destinations - LOS is very premium heavy, sees the super hi-J747 and routinely fills F and J. EZE, BKK, ACC and DEN are possibilities, as is BLR. AUS and SAN have done very well with First, AUS is about to go into its 2nd summer season on the 747 and SAN sees it regularly too. I think the likes of PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc are likely to see the 787-10 with F.

This makes BA not only one of the top carriers across the Atlantic in J but globally too - the soft product has seen a big investment and catering continually improves (Do&Co to come) and the bedding and pillow is the best in J in the sky. Big improvements yo many lounges worldwide too.

A new F seat is coming (and soft enhancements to washbags and crockery are coming soon) so the differentiation will be there and the roll out of the new Club suite is admittedly slow, however, the manufacturer can't make the seats any quicker, hence the delay.

I know the Gatwick RR 777s will be in a 32J/48W/252Y config - 4 less W than than the GEs, but I don't think they'll be seeing the new Club seat.

A good enhancement for year 100. Now to sort out the pay deal :stirthepot:


Bugger the pay deal - there’s rumours on another forum the A380 won’t be getting these seats and therefore are about to be canned :stirthepot:
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:22 pm

Arion640 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
TheLion wrote:
Another surprise is that the A350s - at least this batch - won’t come with First, but the smaller B789s and B78Ws do/will. It could be suggestive that the A350s will be used for larger capacity routes where First is not so popular or needed. So the likes of LOS, NBO, ACC, BKK, EZE, plus US destinations like AUS, DEN, LAS, PHX, PHL and SAN.

Yet this doesn’t mean that the A350 overall will have no First; their 18 A35W/A35K options may well have it, when replacing the B777s in future.

What do you all think?


Not sure about all of those destinations - LOS is very premium heavy, sees the super hi-J747 and routinely fills F and J. EZE, BKK, ACC and DEN are possibilities, as is BLR. AUS and SAN have done very well with First, AUS is about to go into its 2nd summer season on the 747 and SAN sees it regularly too. I think the likes of PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc are likely to see the 787-10 with F.

This makes BA not only one of the top carriers across the Atlantic in J but globally too - the soft product has seen a big investment and catering continually improves (Do&Co to come) and the bedding and pillow is the best in J in the sky. Big improvements yo many lounges worldwide too.

A new F seat is coming (and soft enhancements to washbags and crockery are coming soon) so the differentiation will be there and the roll out of the new Club suite is admittedly slow, however, the manufacturer can't make the seats any quicker, hence the delay.

I know the Gatwick RR 777s will be in a 32J/48W/252Y config - 4 less W than than the GEs, but I don't think they'll be seeing the new Club seat.

A good enhancement for year 100. Now to sort out the pay deal :stirthepot:


Bugger the pay deal - there’s rumours on another forum the A380 won’t be getting these seats and therefore are about to be canned :stirthepot:


No surprise if it comes true, with AF and LH already announcing the trimming of their A380 fleet it's a matter of time for BA.

BTW, the less diferentiation between J and F hard product the more chances F will go away in Europe, AF barely have F these days and new orders by LH don't have it. Not a matter of if but when.
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:15 pm

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Just had a cursory glance at flights from LHR-MAD in August and September and the A350 isn't shown, just A32X and the odd 777. Will they add the A350 to the schedule or is it a case of 'take your chances'.

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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:37 pm

Pay deal???????? Oh dear, is there something in the works we should know about?
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:47 pm

pabloeing wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
Just had a cursory glance at flights from LHR-MAD in August and September and the A350 isn't shown, just A32X and the odd 777. Will they add the A350 to the schedule or is it a case of 'take your chances'.

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You will probably find it will operate the BA460/461 rotation that is operated by the 777.
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:55 pm

CraigAnderson wrote:
Club Suite business class
    1-2-1 layout with sliding privacy doors
    based on Collins Super Diamond seat
    18.5 inch video screen for gate-to-gate use
    Club Suite refurb to Boeing 772s starting Q4

BA A350 config
    56 business class
    56 premium economy
    219 economy
    no A350s to have first class

BA A350 routes
    Testing flights to MAD though August & September, BA460/461
    October 1, daily to YYZ, BA92/93
    October 8, daily to DXB, BA107/108?

More at https://www.ausbt.com.au/british-airway ... class-seat


CraigAnderson wrote:
. . . no A350s to have first class . . .


Who needs First Class anyway . . .
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:16 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:

Not sure about all of those destinations - LOS is very premium heavy, sees the super hi-J747 and routinely fills F and J. EZE, BKK, ACC and DEN are possibilities, as is BLR. AUS and SAN have done very well with First, AUS is about to go into its 2nd summer season on the 747 and SAN sees it regularly too. I think the likes of PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc are likely to see the 787-10 with F.

This makes BA not only one of the top carriers across the Atlantic in J but globally too - the soft product has seen a big investment and catering continually improves (Do&Co to come) and the bedding and pillow is the best in J in the sky. Big improvements yo many lounges worldwide too.

A new F seat is coming (and soft enhancements to washbags and crockery are coming soon) so the differentiation will be there and the roll out of the new Club suite is admittedly slow, however, the manufacturer can't make the seats any quicker, hence the delay.

I know the Gatwick RR 777s will be in a 32J/48W/252Y config - 4 less W than than the GEs, but I don't think they'll be seeing the new Club seat.

A good enhancement for year 100. Now to sort out the pay deal :stirthepot:


Bugger the pay deal - there’s rumours on another forum the A380 won’t be getting these seats and therefore are about to be canned :stirthepot:


Oh hush!

You cannot say anything about the stunning “rebranded EEC” taxing distract internationalists success, the Airbus A380 has become.

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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:58 pm

I've flown BA Club World a few times recently and it was very good.

The Anti-BA posters on here are showing how out of touch they are.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:53 pm

PW100 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Club Suite business class
    1-2-1 layout with sliding privacy doors
    based on Collins Super Diamond seat
    18.5 inch video screen for gate-to-gate use
    Club Suite refurb to Boeing 772s starting Q4

BA A350 config
    56 business class
    56 premium economy
    219 economy
    no A350s to have first class

BA A350 routes
    Testing flights to MAD though August & September, BA460/461
    October 1, daily to YYZ, BA92/93
    October 8, daily to DXB, BA107/108?

More at https://www.ausbt.com.au/british-airway ... class-seat


CraigAnderson wrote:
. . . no A350s to have first class . . .


Who needs First Class anyway . . .

All those rich people who need to feel that they are getting the best and be seen to do so, sad bunch, but it's their money their choice.
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:58 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
PW100 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Club Suite business class
    1-2-1 layout with sliding privacy doors
    based on Collins Super Diamond seat
    18.5 inch video screen for gate-to-gate use
    Club Suite refurb to Boeing 772s starting Q4

BA A350 config
    56 business class
    56 premium economy
    219 economy
    no A350s to have first class

BA A350 routes
    Testing flights to MAD though August & September, BA460/461
    October 1, daily to YYZ, BA92/93
    October 8, daily to DXB, BA107/108?

More at https://www.ausbt.com.au/british-airway ... class-seat


CraigAnderson wrote:
. . . no A350s to have first class . . .


Who needs First Class anyway . . .

All those rich people who need to feel that they are getting the best and be seen to do so, sad bunch, but it's their money their choice.


Or CEOs and directors of large companies for who First Class travel is in their contract of employment for flights over certain lengths.

Also, in many cases, a flexible ticket in Club World is considerably more expensive than a restricted ticket in First. There's still a market for First, especially from London.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:08 pm

BA777FO wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
PW100 wrote:

Who needs First Class anyway . . .

All those rich people who need to feel that they are getting the best and be seen to do so, sad bunch, but it's their money their choice.


Or CEOs and directors of large companies for who First Class travel is in their contract of employment for flights over certain lengths.

Also, in many cases, a flexible ticket in Club World is considerably more expensive than a restricted ticket in First. There's still a market for First, especially from London.


Corporate F is increasingly restricted to very senior execs and very long flights. J seats like the new offering from BA are likely to increase these kind of restrictions. If non-flex F is still available, then non-flex J may well be and is likely to be cheaper, in the odd case F is actually less than the cheapest J ticket, many companies allow the upgrade. This is not uncommon with rail tickets in the UK.

If BA keep F on the A380 (JNB/SIN/HKG/LAX), the 787-9/10 and the 777-9, then they should cover the aforementioned (self) important people, plus celebs who have the money but not the time pressure so fly commercial F rather than private. The A350s can focus on markets with less ostentatious J demand.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:38 pm

triple3driver wrote:
It looks like a slightly more dense version of their F product, so it's the beginning of the end for First Class on BA, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your perspective.


There will be a new First seat coming as well this year.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:50 pm

WOW, it's finally here, like the second coming of Jesus with such anticipation. BA shows its new revolutionary CW seat and its one we have seen all over the place on other international airlines. BA was promising things we have never seen before and its just like every other reverse herringbone J class seat, Just like Cathay's which has been around for years now. BA is not setting a new standard, they are keeping up with the standard that been around for over five years. Lets hope BA's new First sets a new standard like in did back in 1996 on the 744.
 
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Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:55 pm

jfk777 wrote:
WOW, it's finally here, like the second coming of Jesus with such anticipation. BA shows its new revolutionary CW seat and its one we have seen all over the place on other international airlines. BA was promising things we have never seen before and its just like every other reverse herringbone J class seat, Just like Cathay's which has been around for years now. BA is not setting a new standard, they are keeping up with the standard that been around for over five years. Lets hope BA's new First sets a new standard like in did back in 1996 on the 744.


In fairness, I’m not sure what more we can expect from a business class seats for the next decade? Privacy? Lay flat, entertainment, storage? What else would be needed or desired?

Until aircraft design changes, I can’t see huge step changes in business class anymore. First appears we’ll continue to see bespoke design changes- EK,EY,SQ suite style, then more traditional AF, QF,CX style.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:13 am

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no A350s to have first class

For accuracy: none of the initial orders will. They haven't publicly closed the door on F on that aircraft in total.
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:59 am

jfk777 wrote:
WOW, it's finally here, like the second coming of Jesus with such anticipation.


This is way better. I'm not expecting a hot towel, champagne and a comfortable place to lie down at the second coming.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:45 am

Turnhouse1 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
All those rich people who need to feel that they are getting the best and be seen to do so, sad bunch, but it's their money their choice.


Or CEOs and directors of large companies for who First Class travel is in their contract of employment for flights over certain lengths.

Also, in many cases, a flexible ticket in Club World is considerably more expensive than a restricted ticket in First. There's still a market for First, especially from London.


Corporate F is increasingly restricted to very senior execs and very long flights. J seats like the new offering from BA are likely to increase these kind of restrictions. If non-flex F is still available, then non-flex J may well be and is likely to be cheaper, in the odd case F is actually less than the cheapest J ticket, many companies allow the upgrade. This is not uncommon with rail tickets in the UK.

If BA keep F on the A380 (JNB/SIN/HKG/LAX), the 787-9/10 and the 777-9, then they should cover the aforementioned (self) important people, plus celebs who have the money but not the time pressure so fly commercial F rather than private. The A350s can focus on markets with less ostentatious J demand.


We carry lots in F on relatively short distances to DME, TLV, RUH, BAH, BOS, especially JFK and plenty of other destinations that are not all that far. It's not just restricted to very senior execs. There are also a lot of high net worth individuals travelling for leisure in First too. Those tier points are useful ;)

Non-flex F is usually cheaper in the case where non-flex J isn't available due potential oversales etc. A350s will be going to arguably lower yielding destinations. The big trend lately though is to have much bigget W cabins. The LGW 777s and the A350s have large W cabins and it seems to be a segment of the market performing really well.
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:53 am

Intrigued by the seat map of BA’s A350-1000s that doing the rounds. No galley at Doors 2?
 
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Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:49 am

BA777FO wrote:
TheLion wrote:
Another surprise is that the A350s - at least this batch - won’t come with First, but the smaller B789s and B78Ws do/will. It could be suggestive that the A350s will be used for larger capacity routes where First is not so popular or needed. So the likes of LOS, NBO, ACC, BKK, EZE, plus US destinations like AUS, DEN, LAS, PHX, PHL and SAN.

Yet this doesn’t mean that the A350 overall will have no First; their 18 A35W/A35K options may well have it, when replacing the B777s in future.

What do you all think?


Not sure about all of those destinations - LOS is very premium heavy, sees the super hi-J747 and routinely fills F and J. EZE, BKK, ACC and DEN are possibilities, as is BLR. AUS and SAN have done very well with First, AUS is about to go into its 2nd summer season on the 747 and SAN sees it regularly too. I think the likes of PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc are likely to see the 787-10 with F.

This makes BA not only one of the top carriers across the Atlantic in J but globally too - the soft product has seen a big investment and catering continually improves (Do&Co to come) and the bedding and pillow is the best in J in the sky. Big improvements yo many lounges worldwide too.

A new F seat is coming (and soft enhancements to washbags and crockery are coming soon) so the differentiation will be there and the roll out of the new Club suite is admittedly slow, however, the manufacturer can't make the seats any quicker, hence the delay.

I know the Gatwick RR 777s will be in a 32J/48W/252Y config - 4 less W than than the GEs, but I don't think they'll be seeing the new Club seat.

A good enhancement for year 100. Now to sort out the pay deal :stirthepot:


I know the Jumbo goes to AUS and SAN but I’ve a feeling it may be more about overall capacity and aircraft deployment. It really is hard to see there being significant F demand to AUS in particular, with SAN also more of a holiday and VFR route rather than top end business.

With LOS however I guess F demand is related to oil traffic and Nigeria’s new money wealthy. Agree on PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc.

I’ll add that I do think 18 A35Ws is a lot of large-sized aircraft without F for BA to have. It certainly is a curious decision, especially when they have the same number of smaller B789s with F. It may be it portends the future and this is the class strategy they will pursue, with only B779s/B77Ws and A380s with F, plus perhaps high premium B787-10s.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:09 am

TheLion wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
TheLion wrote:
Another surprise is that the A350s - at least this batch - won’t come with First, but the smaller B789s and B78Ws do/will. It could be suggestive that the A350s will be used for larger capacity routes where First is not so popular or needed. So the likes of LOS, NBO, ACC, BKK, EZE, plus US destinations like AUS, DEN, LAS, PHX, PHL and SAN.

Yet this doesn’t mean that the A350 overall will have no First; their 18 A35W/A35K options may well have it, when replacing the B777s in future.

What do you all think?


Not sure about all of those destinations - LOS is very premium heavy, sees the super hi-J747 and routinely fills F and J. EZE, BKK, ACC and DEN are possibilities, as is BLR. AUS and SAN have done very well with First, AUS is about to go into its 2nd summer season on the 747 and SAN sees it regularly too. I think the likes of PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc are likely to see the 787-10 with F.

This makes BA not only one of the top carriers across the Atlantic in J but globally too - the soft product has seen a big investment and catering continually improves (Do&Co to come) and the bedding and pillow is the best in J in the sky. Big improvements yo many lounges worldwide too.

A new F seat is coming (and soft enhancements to washbags and crockery are coming soon) so the differentiation will be there and the roll out of the new Club suite is admittedly slow, however, the manufacturer can't make the seats any quicker, hence the delay.

I know the Gatwick RR 777s will be in a 32J/48W/252Y config - 4 less W than than the GEs, but I don't think they'll be seeing the new Club seat.

A good enhancement for year 100. Now to sort out the pay deal :stirthepot:


I know the Jumbo goes to AUS and SAN but I’ve a feeling it may be more about overall capacity and aircraft deployment. It really is hard to see there being significant F demand to AUS in particular, with SAN also more of a holiday and VFR route rather than top end business.

With LOS however I guess F demand is related to oil traffic and Nigeria’s new money wealthy. Agree on PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc.

I’ll add that I do think 18 A35Ws is a lot of large-sized aircraft without F for BA to have. It certainly is a curious decision, especially when they have the same number of smaller B789s with F. It may be it portends the future and this is the class strategy they will pursue, with only B779s/B77Ws and A380s with F, plus perhaps high premium B787-10s.

We don't in fact know that all 18 A35Ws will have the same internal layout. In fact there have been hints from BA that they will not, though there's no indication as to what other layouts might be in prospect.
 
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Re: BA reveals new Club World Suite, first Airbus A350 routes

Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:36 pm

TheLion wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
TheLion wrote:
Another surprise is that the A350s - at least this batch - won’t come with First, but the smaller B789s and B78Ws do/will. It could be suggestive that the A350s will be used for larger capacity routes where First is not so popular or needed. So the likes of LOS, NBO, ACC, BKK, EZE, plus US destinations like AUS, DEN, LAS, PHX, PHL and SAN.

Yet this doesn’t mean that the A350 overall will have no First; their 18 A35W/A35K options may well have it, when replacing the B777s in future.

What do you all think?


Not sure about all of those destinations - LOS is very premium heavy, sees the super hi-J747 and routinely fills F and J. EZE, BKK, ACC and DEN are possibilities, as is BLR. AUS and SAN have done very well with First, AUS is about to go into its 2nd summer season on the 747 and SAN sees it regularly too. I think the likes of PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc are likely to see the 787-10 with F.

This makes BA not only one of the top carriers across the Atlantic in J but globally too - the soft product has seen a big investment and catering continually improves (Do&Co to come) and the bedding and pillow is the best in J in the sky. Big improvements yo many lounges worldwide too.

A new F seat is coming (and soft enhancements to washbags and crockery are coming soon) so the differentiation will be there and the roll out of the new Club suite is admittedly slow, however, the manufacturer can't make the seats any quicker, hence the delay.

I know the Gatwick RR 777s will be in a 32J/48W/252Y config - 4 less W than than the GEs, but I don't think they'll be seeing the new Club seat.

A good enhancement for year 100. Now to sort out the pay deal :stirthepot:


I know the Jumbo goes to AUS and SAN but I’ve a feeling it may be more about overall capacity and aircraft deployment. It really is hard to see there being significant F demand to AUS in particular, with SAN also more of a holiday and VFR route rather than top end business.

With LOS however I guess F demand is related to oil traffic and Nigeria’s new money wealthy. Agree on PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD etc.

I’ll add that I do think 18 A35Ws is a lot of large-sized aircraft without F for BA to have. It certainly is a curious decision, especially when they have the same number of smaller B789s with F. It may be it portends the future and this is the class strategy they will pursue, with only B779s/B77Ws and A380s with F, plus perhaps high premium B787-10s.


AUS has pretty steady F demand due to the tech hub nature of the flows between AUS and London, plus the connections to India. The route has performed above all expectations since it was launched. Same with SAN, that sees the super hi-J 747 in winter - the premium demand on the route is strong - both have little to no non-stop competition to Europe, both Oneworld strongholds and SAN, while it may have a strong leisure element, like SEZ, there are plenty of wealthy individuals willing to pay for First to SAN.

The 9 LHR based 4-class RR 777s will be converted to 3-class after the LGW densification is complete - so the trend is to reduce First from some routes. There's still a reasonable demand for it though and that's why the 787-10 is likely to have 8 First seats, like the 787-9. The 4 class GE 777s may end up with 8 F seats when reconfigured and the 777-9 too. 14 is perhaps too much in quite a few markets but the new Club seat isn't going to elimimate demand for F completely.
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:35 pm

Glad to have you back in the free world with this new seat Great Britain and BA. It should be great for your business.

This product will also be great for your expansions to the US and other parts of the world where the sun does not set upon...

Cannot wait to see you guys at BA Speedbird your way back to the US at Mach 2 in the coming future too. There is business for you BA going fast to North America.





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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:39 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Glad to have you back in the free world with this new seat Great Britain and BA. It should be great for your business.

This product will also be great for your expansions to the US and other parts of the world where the sun does not set upon...

Cannot wait to see you guys at BA Speedbird your way back to the US at Mach 2 in the coming future too. There is business for you BA going fast to North America.





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What a strange post!
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:40 pm

The current concept held its own for nearly 20 years...

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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:43 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Glad to have you back in the free world with this new seat Great Britain and BA. It should be great for your business.

This product will also be great for your expansions to the US and other parts of the world where the sun does not set upon...

Cannot wait to see you guys at BA Speedbird your way back to the US at Mach 2 in the coming future too. There is business for you BA going fast to North America.


I hate to rain on your parade that this seat will somehow become the 'making of BA', but they've been doing well with the (poor) product they currently have, though that's not to say it didn't need replacing. Heathrow is just so premium and full that often flying Direct, BA is the only option or the better option
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:18 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
Heathrow is just so premium and full that often flying Direct, BA is the only option or the better option


BA has direct competition on nearly every long haul route, and those where it doesn't it has pretty fierce one-stop competition. Heathrow is full so it's difficult for new entrants but BA is rarely the only option.
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:37 pm

Cunard wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Glad to have you back in the free world with this new seat Great Britain and BA. It should be great for your business.

This product will also be great for your expansions to the US and other parts of the world where the sun does not set upon...

Cannot wait to see you guys at BA Speedbird your way back to the US at Mach 2 in the coming future too. There is business for you BA going fast to North America.





We can


What a strange post!


I wouldn’t pay much notice to this poster. They have already made some wonderful claims elsewhere on the forum of how this will unite Brexit Britain to its global empire!!! Couldn’t make it up!
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:09 pm

It looks a great seat and it's great BA re finally going to catch up. The refit plan is poor though and I disagree that's due to manufacturing time. It's because they want to do it at the same time as other scheduled engineering checks to minimise asset downtime.
The revamped catering was great, but it's been trimmed back a lot now. I'm quite fed up of the inch of champagne or half a can of Stella service standards the new service introduced too.
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:15 pm

If BA can train their mixed fleet cabin crew better, they will easily have the best Business Class product in Europe
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:17 pm

APYu wrote:
It looks a great seat and it's great BA re finally going to catch up. The refit plan is poor though and I disagree that's due to manufacturing time. It's because they want to do it at the same time as other scheduled engineering checks to minimise asset downtime.


I guess Alex Cruz is misleading the City/investors then...the seat manufacturer hasn't denied it. 330 seats required between now and year end on the current schedule - not sure what the manufacturer's usual rate is.
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:17 pm

This is a huge improvement over their current J seat. Every seat will now be equal (for the most part)... No more exposed aisle seats, and AAA for all. Bye bye 2-4-2 layout.
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:31 pm

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BA777FO wrote:
APYu wrote:
It looks a great seat and it's great BA re finally going to catch up. The refit plan is poor though and I disagree that's due to manufacturing time. It's because they want to do it at the same time as other scheduled engineering checks to minimise asset downtime.


I guess Alex Cruz is misleading the City/investors then...the seat manufacturer hasn't denied it. 330 seats required between now and year end on the current schedule - not sure what the manufacturer's usual rate is.


Not to mention how many other carriers need this model seat too? DL, QF, EI? Very popular model seat, yet with equally high customisation - just like an aircraft I’m sure there are delivery slots for batches of seats.
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:01 am

How many redesigns of CW/First does this make? I'm keeping a list:

1995 Club World (the "cradle seat")
2000 Club World (truly flat beds)
2006 Club World
2018 Club World (359)
1991 First
1996 First
2010 First (77W, 777-9X)
2013 First (A380s only)
2017 First (789)
2020 First (refurbbed 77Ws)

I counted ten different refreshes/refits since 1990. It makes my head spin
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:37 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
How many redesigns of CW/First does this make? I'm keeping a list:

1995 Club World (the "cradle seat")
2000 Club World (truly flat beds)
2006 Club World
2018 Club World (359)
1991 First
1996 First
2010 First (77W, 777-9X)
2013 First (A380s only)
2017 First (789)
2020 First (refurbbed 77Ws)

I counted ten different refreshes/refits since 1990. It makes my head spin


Not to forget there were several different versions of the basic 1999 Club World. The original bright blue and white plastic panels look was replaced by the darker colours and brown leather surround, softer seat furnishing and the fan style divider early on. It was changed again on the 767s until the last long haul frame was retired (also the end of that seat) in September 2018.

To me the original Club Wolrd bed is ledgendary in many ways, ground breaking.
 
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:41 am

BA174 wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
How many redesigns of CW/First does this make? I'm keeping a list:

1995 Club World (the "cradle seat")
2000 Club World (truly flat beds)
2006 Club World
2018 Club World (359)
1991 First
1996 First
2010 First (77W, 777-9X)
2013 First (A380s only)
2017 First (789)
2020 First (refurbbed 77Ws)

I counted ten different refreshes/refits since 1990. It makes my head spin


Not to forget there were several different versions of the basic 1999 Club World. The original bright blue and white plastic panels look was replaced by the darker colours and brown leather surround, softer seat furnishing and the fan style divider early on. It was changed again on the 767s until the last long haul frame was retired (also the end of that seat) in September 2018.

To me the original Club Wolrd bed is ledgendary in many ways, ground breaking.


Well actually the B767 club world seat was retired in 2016 when the last longhaul B767 was parked. However it continued for a short time to fly with OpenSkies and perhaps there is still one or two on their B757s?
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:19 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Glad to have you back in the free world with this new seat Great Britain and BA. It should be great for your business.

This product will also be great for your expansions to the US and other parts of the world where the sun does not set upon...

Cannot wait to see you guys at BA Speedbird your way back to the US at Mach 2 in the coming future too. There is business for you BA going fast to North American
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:49 pm

Cannot seem to find a number of posts on here I made for what ever reason and for that reason a reply i guess cannot be made...

But all the same, did we conform this NEW seat is NOT going on the A380?

If so, is this indicative of anything regarding the A380 and British Airways?

Trying to be gentle here cause peoples feelings seem to be very sensitive regarding this wonderful double-decker airplane.

Haven’t ridden it yet but hear it is supremely quiet which is something I value!
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:25 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Cannot seem to find a number of posts on here I made for what ever reason and for that reason a reply i guess cannot be made...

But all the same, did we conform this NEW seat is NOT going on the A380?

If so, is this indicative of anything regarding the A380 and British Airways?

Trying to be gentle here cause peoples feelings seem to be very sensitive regarding this wonderful double-decker airplane.

Haven’t ridden it yet but hear it is supremely quiet which is something I value!



iirc all we have confiremd at this stage is that it'll be retrofitted onto the 777s, at least some of them. i don't think anything else has been confirmed. if that a380 rumor is true, it'll be in keeping with the rest of the worlds airlines in dumping the a380
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:29 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Cannot seem to find a number of posts on here I made for what ever reason and for that reason a reply i guess cannot be made...

But all the same, did we conform this NEW seat is NOT going on the A380?

If so, is this indicative of anything regarding the A380 and British Airways?

Trying to be gentle here cause peoples feelings seem to be very sensitive regarding this wonderful double-decker airplane.

Haven’t ridden it yet but hear it is supremely quiet which is something I value!


Sometimes it helps if you have the respect of others on these forums.

Serious posts and serious comments are always appreciated, your previous post was neither!

Not bad going for someone fairy new to these forums.

British Airways have not made anything official regarding adding these new CE seats on the A380 but that's not indicative of their intentions for the aircraft which the airline are totally happy with and they will remain as part of the airlines fleet for many years to come.

British Airways has a very large fleet of long haul aircraft and it may take years for the new CW seat to be added to the fleet of aircraft and that's including the A380.

I did chuckle when you wrote ''But I hear it is supremely quiet which is something I value!''
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Re: Updated: British Airways release new ClubWorld seat

Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:34 pm

musman9853 wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Cannot seem to find a number of posts on here I made for what ever reason and for that reason a reply i guess cannot be made...

But all the same, did we conform this NEW seat is NOT going on the A380?

If so, is this indicative of anything regarding the A380 and British Airways?

Trying to be gentle here cause peoples feelings seem to be very sensitive regarding this wonderful double-decker airplane.

Haven’t ridden it yet but hear it is supremely quiet which is something I value!



iirc all we have confiremd at this stage is that it'll be retrofitted onto the 777s, at least some of them. i don't think anything else has been confirmed. if that a380 rumor is true, it'll be in keeping with the rest of the worlds airlines in dumping the a380


British Airways will not be one of those ''rest of the worlds airlines in dumping the A380''.

Even Qatar have stated that they intend on keeping their A380's.

The aircraft has a place in the long haul fleet and the A380 will remain as part of the British Airways fleet for years to come :-)
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