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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:50 pm

They want to go head to head with BR and CI on trans pac flights where margins are close to non existent? Skylux better have a premium product so vastly superior to BR/CI they can take all their frequent premium fliers, get Xi to agree to let them take mainland traffic thru TPE and not let the others or be ready to lose money for a long time - oh wait, that was the BR model Chang and family used to use, except his family wont be there to subsidize him like the Evergreens shipping arm did for the first decade of BRs existence. Better trying a long haul LCC model and stimulate a new market or try secondary US cities.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:42 am

Order official now.

5 x A350-900 delivery 2021-2022
12 x A350-1000 delivery 2022-2024

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3648659
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:26 am

More interesting will be how an island of ~26m people will support three full service long haul carriers. The consumers will be winners for sure.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:33 am

exmike wrote:
More interesting will be how an island of ~26m people will support three full service long haul carriers. The consumers will be winners for sure.

The consumers and the airlines buying these aircraft almost new on the second hand market once they go bust. :lol:

But congrats to Airbus nonetheless.
 
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Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:43 am

gatibosgru wrote:
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That is one beautiful aeroplane.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:17 am

I don't know anything about this airline, how well they're positioned to succeed or anything... but their livery is delightful. No shortage of good liveries in Taiwan!
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:44 am

Great news!
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:17 pm

Beautiful livery ..., i imagine they would have beautiful and luxurious interior as the brand sugest... wish Starlux all the success
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:04 pm

Bradin wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
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That is one beautiful aeroplane.


A350 is by far the prettiest bird Airbus makes. What a plane. Great livery too.
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:14 pm

They made an excellent choice, obviously the best!

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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:43 pm

Wish them best of luck. With two major airlines they'll need it. But I believe they can actually grab a piece of the market (after all Asia is the fastest-growing market in the world at the moment and neither BR or CI have any major intercontinental expansion plans).
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:34 pm

Tail logo reminds me of the flag of Panama, coincidence I guess
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:38 pm

exmike wrote:
More interesting will be how an island of ~26m people will support three full service long haul carriers. The consumers will be winners for sure.

Australia supports QF, VA and Jetstar's longhaul arm. Plus a host of foreign carriers.

You do know that Taiwan is a massive cargo location as well? Lots of high value electronics. It's not just fish....
 
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Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:54 pm

Reuters confirmed today that Taiwanese start-up carrier StarLux has ordered 17 Airbus A350s.

12 A350-1000
9 A350-900

Plans to operate them from Taipei to Europe/North America as well as Asia-Pacific destinations.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-star ... SKCN1R01A9
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:54 pm

Congrats to StarLux and Airbus
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:08 pm

That would make 21
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:17 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
That would make 21

Should be 12 and 5, not 9.
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:19 pm

Good luck to them. Being a long haul startup isn’t easy, but competition is a good thing.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:28 pm

For a start-up, that's a huge commitment. Someone behind them must be very confident of getting their money back.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:30 pm

Congratulations to Airbus and Starlux. A new order for the 351...what a Revelation.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:44 pm

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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:33 pm

Confirmed by Airbus:

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... vices.html
STARLUX Airlines of Taiwan has signed a firm order with Airbus for 17 widebody aircraft, comprising 12 A350-1000s and five A350-900s.


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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:01 pm

Good luck to them, BR are going to try euthanize them at birth, nothing like a family fight, Chang was BRs Chairman till the family feud left him out in the street and out of the family shipping fortune. And CI still has the governments back, no matter what party in power, as its still the largest shareholder through a government controlled foundation.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:01 pm

I imagine they started with Los Angeles, San Francisco, Vancouver and Vienna as the first routes of the long haul
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:29 pm

Another order from another ambitious but unproven airline. Question marks all over the place until the frames are actually paid for and flying... Oh well, good luck to all!
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:38 pm

Best of luck to them! Taiwan is a great country to visit, and the A350 is in my view the best widebody out there at the moment from a passenger comfort perspective.

I think if they besides North America also focus on BR's weak spots (Australia/NZ and Europe) they can be successful. They would still compete with CI of course, but in terms of product, brand perception and perceived safety (note I would not hesitate to fly on them, but others have long memories) they would be more than competitive.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:41 pm

Lilienthal wrote:
Another order from another ambitious but unproven airline. Question marks all over the place until the frames are actually paid for and flying... Oh well, good luck to all!


+1

Its worked before... its failed before.

Just have to wait and see I guess.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:44 pm

Channex757 wrote:
QF, VA and Jetstar's longhaul arm.

QF and Jetstar are essentially one. It's like saying LH and Eurowings, BA and Level or SQ and Scoot are seperate, competing airlines.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:57 pm

Congrats to Airbus for this order :champagne:

I do find it odd that they are starting with the 350-1000 in greater numbers than the 359. I'd think the opposite would be more prudent for a new carrier. Good luck to them
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:27 am

These planes are going to be a joy to try and fill... profitably.

Man I hope they know something everybody else doesn’t.
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:15 am

I wonder where all the sceptical persons were when Bamboo Airways (also a start-up) recently ordered 10+20 787s :white:
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:32 am

Let's think shall we....

Aircraft are not cars. You don't go down the dealers and sign up for a new plane on Hire Purchase. The plans for this airline will have been gone over with a fine toothcomb, as somewhere finance houses have put their money on the line for this new airline. Suppliers will be granting credit and basically billions of dollars is being bet on this new carrier being successful thanks to the business plan being solid.

I'll dispense with the usual sarcasm about a.net posters knowing better, but don't you think approved borrowing on this scale indicates a strong proposal and not a risk-laden gamble?
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:44 am

Dubious airlines?!
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:22 am

A beauty of an order for Starlux and Airbus.
that brings A350 firmed orders well past the 900, i'm especially delight by the A350-1000s and looking forward to fly it.
soon or later it's will efficiently replace many of the older 777W
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:35 pm

Let me voice my skepticism that all of these will be delivered.

RalXWB wrote:
I wonder where all the sceptical persons were when Bamboo Airways (also a start-up) recently ordered 10+20 787s :white:

I'm here. :wave:
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:50 pm

I'm sure Chang will have many ex BR management with him who are very experienced and they could also attract many ex CI people. But unless they have an incredible premium product which steals all BR/CIs business this is going to be a blood bath on fares. BR took almost a decade to be profitable and had the deep pockets of its then very profitable shipping arm of the parent Evergreen group. I dont know who Skyluxs deep pockets are but they may be biting off way too much for them to handle with such a big order.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:11 pm

This is not the place to debate whether Taiwan is an independent country or part of China — this is an aviation forum, and political discussion belongs in the Non Aviation Forum only.

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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

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This is not the place to debate whether Taiwan is an independent country or part of China — this is an aviation forum, and political discussion belongs in the Non Aviation Forum only.

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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:08 pm

Yes doubtful order.
It seems that anybody can order airplanes on loose terms these days and cancel them as they see fit.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:48 pm

https://www.storm.mg/article/1077511

Starlux president said the decision to acquire A350 was a result of the cost, pilot training, and performance evaluation.
He said he tried flying the A35K in person at South Korea last year and believe it is the best Airbus long haul aircraft because it use a high percentage of composite material which make it lighter and more fuel-efficient, and can help with maintaining aircraft stability on long haul flights, and it also have a higher long haul cruise speed than 777
He also mentioned that buying A321neo together with A350 can save a lot of time and resources in training pilots, which can speed up Starlux's entry into market time and also reduce early operation expenses.
He also mentioned that he will finish his own training into the new type at around July/August and he will personally fly those new aircraft back to Taiwan from Airbus factory, representing the airlines' promise to give the safest flying experience to the public.
The airlines is currently earning certification from the civil aviation authority and is expected to start selling tickets at around November/December with first flight scheduled to start between end of December this year and January next year,
As for the doubt that the initial plan was too rapid and risky, the president responded by saying it is the proper way for airlines to start especially when Taiwan is a small market. This approach is necessary to earn its place in the market without being stepped on by existing legacy carriers.

Also, https://udn.com/news/story/7241/3597083 they mentioned that all flights they are going to start will be providing at least daily frequency.
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:00 am

Channex757 wrote:
Let's think shall we....

Aircraft are not cars. You don't go down the dealers and sign up for a new plane on Hire Purchase. The plans for this airline will have been gone over with a fine toothcomb, as somewhere finance houses have put their money on the line for this new airline. Suppliers will be granting credit and basically billions of dollars is being bet on this new carrier being successful thanks to the business plan being solid.

I'll dispense with the usual sarcasm about a.net posters knowing better, but don't you think approved borrowing on this scale indicates a strong proposal and not a risk-laden gamble?

It is said that https://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/2 ... 257-260202 their main capital source is loan and in the future they will list the airlines onto the stock market. There are also various companies that are interested in investing into the airlines but he won't expect them to be a major source of capital as there aren't that many people who are so stupid like him to invest this much money into airlines.
When no other countries around the world is going to militarily stop China and its subordinate fom abusing its citizens within its national boundary, it is unreasonable to expect those abuse can be countered with purely peaceful means.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:36 am

c933103 wrote:
https://www.storm.mg/article/1077511

Starlux president said the decision to acquire A350 was a result of the cost, pilot training, and performance evaluation.
He said he tried flying the A35K in person at South Korea last year and believe it is the best Airbus long haul aircraft because it use a high percentage of composite material which make it lighter and more fuel-efficient, and can help with maintaining aircraft stability on long haul flights, and it also have a higher long haul cruise speed than 777
He also mentioned that buying A321neo together with A350 can save a lot of time and resources in training pilots, which can speed up Starlux's entry into market time and also reduce early operation expenses.
He also mentioned that he will finish his own training into the new type at around July/August and he will personally fly those new aircraft back to Taiwan from Airbus factory, representing the airlines' promise to give the safest flying experience to the public.
The airlines is currently earning certification from the civil aviation authority and is expected to start selling tickets at around November/December with first flight scheduled to start between end of December this year and January next year,
As for the doubt that the initial plan was too rapid and risky, the president responded by saying it is the proper way for airlines to start especially when Taiwan is a small market. This approach is necessary to earn its place in the market without being stepped on by existing legacy carriers.

Also, https://udn.com/news/story/7241/3597083 they mentioned that all flights they are going to start will be providing at least daily frequency.

If one is to watch Director Chang interview, he appears to be have the sheer determination and knowledge to take calculated risk get Starlux up and running. When he was ousted from BR, many talented and competent staff left together with him and now working with him. The A321neo and A350 are good choice, since BR has skilled personnel trained on A321, Starlux can easily poached them over. As for A350, CI is flying them now, same case. He remains humble when asked if this is his plan to seek revenge on BR, he shy away and said the public has such comment, not him. Starlux is different, and will carve out its own niche market. He led his team in bringing BR up to what is it today being Taiwan's only 5-star airline and ascension into Star Alliance. Sadly, he was ousted before he could do more improvement.
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:53 am

Do we know where they'll be based? Please be TSA :)

I wonder how entry into service will work. How many aircraft will they need? How many routes? I guess it would make sense to start with the very busy regional routes. HKG and the major Japanese hubs, for example.

Newbiepilot wrote:
Interesting that a startup would order more A350s than A321s. It looks similar to Bamboo Airways but more biased towards long haul.


Not necessarily. Regional traffic around East Asia is wide-body heavy. I four years of living here and travelling a lot for work, I can count the number of narrow-body flights I've had on one hand.
 
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:20 am

If the Capital cost of the aircraft is low enough they might have a chance.
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Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:20 am

https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190319/1403143.htm
Their five A359 will have 306 seats, start delivering by the end of 2021, and their twelve A35K will have 350 seats, start delivering from 2022Q3. 4-class config including first class will be deployed onto all these 17 aircrafts, which will make them the only Taiwanese carrier with first class service.

They have also indirectly hinted fare unbundling when being asked about attractiveness of their ticket price.

seat64k wrote:
I wonder how entry into service will work. How many aircraft will they need? How many routes? I guess it would make sense to start with the very busy regional routes. HKG and the major Japanese hubs, for example.

Their first A320neo will be delivered this October while they set to begin their operation either by the end of this December or at the beginning of next year, and given that all of their routes will be at least daily, I guess they will only have a relatively limited set of routes and number of aircrafts in the very early phase of their operation.
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Re: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:33 pm

seat64k wrote:
Do we know where they'll be based? Please be TSA


One can only wished :cry2: (They'll be based at TPE).

seat64k wrote:
I wonder how entry into service will work. How many aircraft will they need? How many routes? I guess it would make sense to start with the very busy regional routes. HKG and the major Japanese hubs, for example.


I'll have to find the article, but Japan and Thailand (BKK) are mentioned as the two market that they'll start off, as both markets are (IIRC) open-skies for Taiwan.

seat64k wrote:
Not necessarily. Regional traffic around East Asia is wide-body heavy. I four years of living here and travelling a lot for work, I can count the number of narrow-body flights I've had on one hand.


It's changing somewhat - LCCs growth = more narrowbodies (usually A320 or A321). You also have BR flying A321 out of TPE to places like HKG, TYO, OSA, and SEL. Most South Korea/Japan - Mainland PRC flights, especially to secondary markets, are narrowbodies also (Although, again, A321 is usually the smallest plane).
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