Themotionman
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VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:32 am

From Virgin Atlantic Twitter:

"Guess what? We’re announcing a new destination today! Can you work out where it might be? New continent for Virgin Atlantic. In the Southern Hemisphere. Has more than 6,000 pizzerias ⚽ Famous for football"

My guess is GRU...

Any other guesses?
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:35 am

I say it's either GRU or GIG.
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:38 am

Southern Hemisphere had me excited thinking they were going to challenge QF on LHR-PER. But definitely sounds like Brazil.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:42 am

It São Paulo - known for its Italian influence.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:09 am

Is this the replacement after ending Cancun?
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:10 am

Can you work out where it might be?


Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:21 am

I Hope it is EZE
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:56 am

Sascha81 wrote:
I Hope it is EZE


I think it’s Buenos Aires as well. Post colonial immigration from 1860-1930 was staggering from Italy to Argentina. By the 1980’s over 62.5% of the population, over 25 million out of 40 million people in Argentina, has Italian blood flowing in them.

Argentina itself declared that the Italians are the largest & most central immigrant group represented in their country. Today Buenos Aires has the second largest Italian immigrant community in South America. Outside of Italy, Toronto & New York, San Paulo & Buenos Aires are the top four for Italian disporia.

There are over 500,000 Italian citizens living in Argentina & a whole slew of dual passport holders. Argentinian had open immigration in the late 1800’s & up to the mid 1950’s. People came from Italy because of poverty & Argentina was bountiful & looking for investors & workers.

While Sao Paulo has a larger Italian population over Buenos Aires, It’s mostly Sao Paulo only & then the Italian heritage is not countrywide vs some suburbs of São Paulo are 95% Italian. It could be São Paulo too, but I think EZE is just more attractive & better able to support the add.
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:56 am

ELBOB wrote:
Can you work out where it might be?


Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?


I'm confused, whilst it may or may not work for VS (who knows?) are you suggesting that VS should be "original" and only launch new routes to destinations that BA don't fly to?

I would suggest that if they were to do that the route would fail even quicker - if BA don't fly the route already with their slot portfolio then there is probably a reason....

moving on... the question for me would be frequency and whether this is a LGW or LHR service.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:15 am

Richard28 wrote:
ELBOB wrote:
Can you work out where it might be?


Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?


I'm confused, whilst it may or may not work for VS (who knows?) are you suggesting that VS should be "original" and only launch new routes to destinations that BA don't fly to?

I would suggest that if they were to do that the route would fail even quicker - if BA don't fly the route already with their slot portfolio then there is probably a reason....

moving on... the question for me would be frequency and whether this is a LGW or LHR service.


This is the crux of the matter, in reality VS will only ever make money following BA onto the most profitable routes, Richard Branson however has always portrayed VS as a trendsetter, blazing a path into the unknown, the consumer champion etc.

Some might be bold enough to suggest that UK fliers would be better served if VS didn't exist, their slots could then be used to open up routes to destinations presently nor operated from London.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:16 am

This tweet by KLM last year may give the whole thing away https://twitter.com/KLM_UK/status/1035165250881040384
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:40 am

In that case I guess we will also see an announcement of a codeshare with GOL.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:44 am

Bongodog49 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
ELBOB wrote:

Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?


I'm confused, whilst it may or may not work for VS (who knows?) are you suggesting that VS should be "original" and only launch new routes to destinations that BA don't fly to?

I would suggest that if they were to do that the route would fail even quicker - if BA don't fly the route already with their slot portfolio then there is probably a reason....

moving on... the question for me would be frequency and whether this is a LGW or LHR service.


This is the crux of the matter, in reality VS will only ever make money following BA onto the most profitable routes, Richard Branson however has always portrayed VS as a trendsetter, blazing a path into the unknown, the consumer champion etc.

Some might be bold enough to suggest that UK fliers would be better served if VS didn't exist, their slots could then be used to open up routes to destinations presently nor operated from London.


I quite disagree. Competition is good for passengers, good for service, good for product enhancements good for prices. If you want more routes you need more runways, not less competition.

IMHO you misunderstand the VS brand - it is about service, customer experience, about being fresh and exciting. The brand is route agnostic - its values are valid whether it is a flight to Brazil, JFK or anywhere.

I would guess that VS entering this route will cause some price pressure on BA and that is good for both BA and VS passengers.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:48 am

I would guess that this has also to do with the addition of TLV. Didn't EL AL used to fly to GRU?
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:08 am

Virgin Atlantic to launch London Heathrow to Sao Paulo in 2020 on the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 0469155840
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:12 am

Sascha81 wrote:
I Hope it is EZE

My money was on that "Good Airs" airport!

Until I read the post right above this, that is...
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:14 am

A good add if they have feed on the GRU end. The LHR-GRU market has recovered in recent years and grown strongly in the last 2 years, so not a total surprise. Perfect aircraft too.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:14 am

Exciting - always comes to love to hear VS expand. Where are the spots coming from?
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:26 am

VS to commence service to São Paulo in 2020.

“2019 marks the start of a new phase of growth for Virgin Atlantic as we work to become the most loved travel company. São Paulo represents an incredible opportunity for business, and we’re very excited to be flying to a brand new continent for the first time. This is a prime opportunity for Virgin Holidays who are busy securing a range of ancillary partners and diverse accommodation options for those customers seeking a full-service holiday offering.” said Juha Jarvinen.

European flights to GRU typically leave late in the evening and arrive back in Europe in the morning looking at the schedules of other European Carriers. They will be up against daily flights from British Airways and LATAM.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:36 am

Throughout 2019, Virgin have now announced and launched new route to:

London Heathrow - Las Vegas (Starts 31 March 2019)
Manchester - Los Angeles (Starts 26 May 2019)
London Heathrow - Tel Aviv (Starts 25 September 2019)

This makes it the fourth new route in a year - plus a few more rumoured in 2020. Things are looking very good for Virgin Atlantic at the moment
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:40 am

ELBOB wrote:
Can you work out where it might be?


Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?


Profitability beats originality. One would really has to wonder why BA isn't flying an intercon route -- they can't be stupid.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:58 am

Up against BA and LATAM this won't be an easy one to crack for Virgin, especially as the competition has unbeatable connections at both ends.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:16 am

Any plans to get VS/G3 on SkyTeam?
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:28 am

gatibosgru wrote:
Any plans to get VS/G3 on SkyTeam?


I doubt either airline will join SkyTeam but work with their own codeshares. One notable factor is the large codeshare GOL has with Delta, Air France and KLM. The 3 airlines now own 80% of Virgin Atlantic and so is likely to have codeshare agreements between Virgin Atlantic and GOL in the future. This would help feed Virgin's flights at Sao Paulo, in addition to the Flybe feed at Heathrow meaning connections at both ends of the route
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:41 pm

BA777FO wrote:
Up against BA and LATAM this won't be an easy one to crack for Virgin, especially as the competition has unbeatable connections at both ends.


Sao Paulo and London are huge O&D markets and VS is mainly going after it.

Pax bound from continental europe out of GRU have tenths of daily options with LA and every major european carrier. Besides O&D I see potential connecting traffic to the rest of the UK and scandinavia, which FlyBe can take care of.
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:41 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Bongodog49 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:


IMHO you misunderstand the VS brand - it is about service, customer experience, about being fresh and exciting. The brand is route agnostic - its values are valid whether it is a flight to Brazil, JFK or anywhere.

I would guess that VS entering this route will cause some price pressure on BA and that is good for both BA and VS passengers.


Misunderstanding the VS brand ? IMHO its all hype and nothing more, 30 years ago they may have appeared fresh and exciting, I recall flying with them when they had seat back screens and BA didn't, to many passengers this was a something worth having, whats the difference now though:

They fly similar planes, with little difference in catering, little difference in seats. Customer service ? whats that these days, all airlines want us to do everything by machine with as little human interface as possible. Even the fresh faced young crew are middle aged now
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:44 pm

ELBOB wrote:
Can you work out where it might be?


Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?


When in reality the plain and boring truth is that the overwhelming probability is any airline who dares to go up against a base carrier at a huge worldwide hub with a long established route network is highly unlikely to find a destination that isn’t already served. Although I suppose they could start LHR-MAQ and get panned when it closes after 9 days?

Of course this all overlooks the uncomfortable truth that VS launched LON-PVG/LAS way before BA, and MAN-BOS/LAS/MCO/BGI/ATL/LAX/JFK - routes which BA doesn’t, and in most cases never has served.

In most service sectors competition is applauded....
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:17 pm

Great move by VS. Delta flies JFK-GRU nonstop and I connect in GRU using GOL to various cities in Brazil and once to Buenos AIres. Getting the connecting boarding pass could be made easier but otherwise no issues for me. Loyal VS flyers will find GOL a good connecting partner (assuming VS offered that)
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:53 pm

ELBOB wrote:
Can you work out where it might be?


Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?


Started Shanghai well before BA.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:55 pm

Honestly I do not know what you're talking about. I just flew Virgin from Washington to Johannesburg via London roundtrip. In business/Upper class. I had previously flown BA. the difference was absolutely night and day. Amazing service on all 4 flights. Unique, delicious food. Really good and varied cocktails. Good entertainment. And an upbeat, excited service on all 4 sectors. And then the lounges in all airports were night and day compared to BA. I loved every aspect of it - a very different experience. Noticeably different.


Bongodog49 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Bongodog49 wrote:


Misunderstanding the VS brand ? IMHO its all hype and nothing more, 30 years ago they may have appeared fresh and exciting, I recall flying with them when they had seat back screens and BA didn't, to many passengers this was a something worth having, whats the difference now though:

They fly similar planes, with little difference in catering, little difference in seats. Customer service ? whats that these days, all airlines want us to do everything by machine with as little human interface as possible. Even the fresh faced young crew are middle aged now
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:52 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
Up against BA and LATAM this won't be an easy one to crack for Virgin, especially as the competition has unbeatable connections at both ends.


Sao Paulo and London are huge O&D markets and VS is mainly going after it.

Pax bound from continental europe out of GRU have tenths of daily options with LA and every major european carrier. Besides O&D I see potential connecting traffic to the rest of the UK and scandinavia, which FlyBe can take care of.


Sao Paulo to London is a relatively large O&D market, but it's not massive by any means compared to other routes that Virgin has recently pulled out of.

Flybe offers connections from LHR to fewer than half a dozen destinations, it's got nothing what BA, LH, IB, AF or even AZ offer. Even further connections on VS's own network will be relatively ill timed compared to BA.

They'll probably do okay but it'll be tough going.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:24 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Any plans to get VS/G3 on SkyTeam?


I doubt either airline will join SkyTeam but work with their own codeshares. One notable factor is the large codeshare GOL has with Delta, Air France and KLM. The 3 airlines now own 80% of Virgin Atlantic and so is likely to have codeshare agreements between Virgin Atlantic and GOL in the future. This would help feed Virgin's flights at Sao Paulo, in addition to the Flybe feed at Heathrow meaning connections at both ends of the route


Thanks!

Have they already announced a codeshare with G3?
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:37 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Throughout 2019, Virgin have now announced and launched new route to:

London Heathrow - Las Vegas (Starts 31 March 2019)
Manchester - Los Angeles (Starts 26 May 2019)
London Heathrow - Tel Aviv (Starts 25 September 2019)

This makes it the fourth new route in a year - plus a few more rumoured in 2020. Things are looking very good for Virgin Atlantic at the moment

I thought VS only flew to Delta hubs. I read it here numerous times.
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:43 pm

RWA380 wrote:
but I think EZE is just more attractive & better able to support the add.


How would have BUE been more attractive and better able to support the add?
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:50 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Throughout 2019, Virgin have now announced and launched new route to:

London Heathrow - Las Vegas (Starts 31 March 2019)


To be fair, they already serve London Gatwick - Las Vegas (Terminates 30 March 2019), so I don't think that really counts as a new route.
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:07 pm

And Dubai is also being dropped as well
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:19 pm

Utah744 wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
Throughout 2019, Virgin have now announced and launched new route to:

London Heathrow - Las Vegas (Starts 31 March 2019)
Manchester - Los Angeles (Starts 26 May 2019)
London Heathrow - Tel Aviv (Starts 25 September 2019)

This makes it the fourth new route in a year - plus a few more rumoured in 2020. Things are looking very good for Virgin Atlantic at the moment

I thought VS only flew to Delta hubs. I read it here numerous times.


You’ll also read here that Virgin will be gone in 5 years.
It’s always a rolling 5 years though which accounts for why people have been sagely predicting it since 2004 :roll:
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:06 pm

skipness1E wrote:
And Dubai is also being dropped as well


Which wasn't a huge surprise when it was announced considering the amount of flights and seats on offer from Emirates.

So with the news that Virgin Atlantic are to start São Paulo the airlines network seems to be spreading more into new territories, it's a shame that Cape Town, Mumbai and Tokyo aren't on the airlines radar for resumption.

Virgin Atlantic long haul network will soon look like this, some being seasonal which I've asterisked.

London Heathrow Airport to,

Atlanta, Barbados*, Boston, Delhi, Hong Kong, Johannesburg, Lagos, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Newark, New York JFK, San Francisco, São Paulo, Seattle, Shanghai-Pudong, Tel Aviv, Washington DC.

London Gatwick Airport to,

Antigua, Barbados, Grenada, Havana, Montego Bay, Orlando, St Lucia, Tobago.

Manchester International Airport to,

Atlanta, Boston*, Barbados, Las Vegas*, Los Angeles*, New York JFK, Orlando.

Glasgow International Airport to,

Orlando* (although it operates more or less 10 months of the year).

Belfast International Airport to,

Orlando*

Since Thomas Cook Airlines and TUI have ceased long haul flying from STN I have often wondered if VS could offer a weekly seasonal flight to MCO!

I'm sure that the demand is there for such a flight regardless of TUI and MT ceasing flights from STN to Florida plus it would give Virgin Holidays an alternative London airport and in particular a northern London airport for their popular destination of Orlando.
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:22 pm

Fully agree that a ( seasonal ) CPT flight would surely be welcome to break BA's monopoly on the direct LHR-CPT flights with their sky-high fares. And a Tokyo return in time for the Olympics would add much-needed capacity - travel to Japan from the UK is booming. Maybe the 787 RR engine issue downtime has put paid these service resumptions.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:40 pm

C010T3 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
but I think EZE is just more attractive & better able to support the add.


How would have BUE been more attractive and better able to support the add?


Certainly GRU has the edge: bigger market and more volume. I will say though that EZE has the edge when it comes to leisure travel from the Europe & North America POS. You can't beat Buenos Aires as a destination in that regard.
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Re: VS new destination

Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:05 am

ELBOB wrote:
Can you work out where it might be?


Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?

Or a route that gives Delta's partner GOL the ability to codeshare on a direct London flight.
 
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Re: VS new destination

Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:22 pm

VS's 258-seat 789 with 31 Upper Class, 35 Premium and 192 Economy will have tough compeition as the incumbents on the LHR-GRU route are BA (297-seat 77W with 14F, 56J, 44W, 183M) and LA (379-seat 773 with 56J, 323Y), both daily.

The VS flights will complement those of KL (daily from AMS) and AF (double-daily from CDG).
 
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Re: VS new destination

Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:19 pm

Bongodog49 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
ELBOB wrote:

Yeah that should be easy, find a route on which BA operates a B744 or a B77W out of Heathrow and which Virgin wants to raid. For two years, then they'll drop it.

Does this outfit not have a shred of original thought?


I'm confused, whilst it may or may not work for VS (who knows?) are you suggesting that VS should be "original" and only launch new routes to destinations that BA don't fly to?

I would suggest that if they were to do that the route would fail even quicker - if BA don't fly the route already with their slot portfolio then there is probably a reason....

moving on... the question for me would be frequency and whether this is a LGW or LHR service.


This is the crux of the matter, in reality VS will only ever make money following BA onto the most profitable routes, Richard Branson however has always portrayed VS as a trendsetter, blazing a path into the unknown, the consumer champion etc.

Some might be bold enough to suggest that UK fliers would be better served if VS didn't exist, their slots could then be used to open up routes to destinations presently nor operated from London.


So it is bold to suggest that lack of competition is better for consumers? From where I am typing, I would call such a suggestion moronic. :banghead:

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