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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:19 am

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to install the fix if all the planes were in one place?
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:24 am

No as it’s a software update it would done usually hooking up the updating the device and upload the software. I’ve seen software updated on through flights before by line avionics.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:48 am

Boof02671 wrote:
No as it’s a software update it would done usually hooking up the updating the device and upload the software. I’ve seen software updated on through flights before by line avionics.


So, would this mean at least one 3M8 would be at each WN base while the rest of the fleet is at VCV? Or am I misinterpreting what you are talking about?
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:51 am

Never said where they would be. Just that doing a software upgrade can be done anywhere
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:01 pm

But this isn't just any software upgrade. It's possibly the most highly publicized one in aviation history. Wouldn't there also need to be flight testing of each bird after installation? Surely just installing it and walking away like a Windows patch wouldn't be enough to get them back in the air.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:11 pm

Flight testing the software has been ongoing by Boeing in the simulator and actual flight as Moses lake, I doubt a test flight will be required. As others avionics updates haven’t required test hops.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:14 pm

Well it certainly will be interesting to see the reaction to the grounding post-fix
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:45 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
According to the link posted up-thread, all WN 3M8s are at VCV with the following exceptions:

MDW: 8704, 8706, 8722, 8723, 8727
MCO: 8705, 8708, 8712, 8728, 8733
ATL: 8709, 8718, 8726
PHX: 8720, 8729
LAX: 8707; OAK: 8711; HOU: 8716; DAL: 8724; TPA: 8731; BWI: 8734


The past 2 days of ferry flights have resulted in 13 MAX going to VCV. I'll keep an eye out for new flights this morning.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:09 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
But this isn't just any software upgrade. It's possibly the most highly publicized one in aviation history. Wouldn't there also need to be flight testing of each bird after installation? Surely just installing it and walking away like a Windows patch wouldn't be enough to get them back in the air.

If we understand the root cause of the Lion Air crash at least, to show the fix works one would have to intentionally take off with one AOA vane significantly in error, and airline pilots cannot operate planes they know are not airworthy. The pilots themselves, the FAA, their union, and their insurance company will have none of that. Therefore this change won't be any different than any other fix involving avionics. We shall see if that involves a test flight or not. Many do not.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:11 pm

Watching the morning news sounds like Boeing started new software test over the weekend in simulators with a number of Check airmen from several airlines.
Hopefully this is the fix they need to get this birds safely back into the air.
Question remains once a fix is in place how long will it take WN to train its pilots on the new procedures.
WN was scheduled to start ETOPS certification for the MAX8 & MAX7 later this year.
I wonder if that will be pushed back into 2020 now.

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:46 pm

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All of them have arrived at VCV.


Pre mature post of the year award.

Do people even verify anything before they post it anywhere? Sad. Especially when these flights are public information.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:33 pm

Southwest Airlines is storming their 737 MAX aircraft at Victorville as the parking fees are much higher at airports. They are all in one place so when they can be returned to service the aircraft can be reactivated from one location. VCV is is a dry climate where aircraft can be stored on a long term basis without the concern of corrosion or anyone else having unauthorized access to them. They aircraft are pickled with the idea that someone does not need to be running them up every 30 days. The only downside is the heat and sun's ultraviolet rays can be hard on the exterior paint. :old:
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:39 pm

Spacepope wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
According to the link posted up-thread, all WN 3M8s are at VCV with the following exceptions:

MDW: 8704, 8706, 8722, 8723, 8727
MCO: 8705, 8708, 8712, 8728, 8733
ATL: 8709, 8718, 8726
PHX: 8720, 8729
LAX: 8707; OAK: 8711; HOU: 8716; DAL: 8724; TPA: 8731; BWI: 8734


The past 2 days of ferry flights have resulted in 13 MAX going to VCV. I'll keep an eye out for new flights this morning.


Today's flights are populating in Flightaware
8700: from BWI (should be the last MAX at BWI after the 3 from yesterday)
8701: ATL
8702: MCO
8703: MDW
8704+ are yet to load.
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:41 pm

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It entirely depends on what the fix will be. If it is just software and the FAA approves it, it is a matter of days to bring the fleet back into the air. If it is software + new flight manuals + sim training it takes longer to roll this out. I would guess between 1-3 months. If it is software + new flight manuals + sim training + hardware fix (more AoA sensors, warning lights in cockpit etc.) we are probably looking at 3-9 months.


Or if it's looking at whether the plane should ever have been certified safe to fly with these changes it could be years or never?

There has to be an acceptable level of risk with a plane THIS important



“Years” or “never” won’t happen anywhere, the regulators are not putting their carriers out of business to spite Boeing.

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:17 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Today's flights are populating in Flightaware
8700: from BWI (should be the last MAX at BWI after the 3 from yesterday) [8734]
8701: ATL [8709]
8702: MCO [8705]
8703: MDW [8722]
8704+ are yet to load.


Today's WN8704 (8716) - HOU-VCV
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KHOU/KVCV

That leaves four remaining 38Ms at both MDW and MCO, two at ATL, and one each at DAL, LAX, OAK and TPA (as of 1400 CDT Monday).
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:13 pm

Just one in ATL as of this afternoon.
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:29 pm

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INFINITI329 wrote:

What airline is accepting a multi-million dollar airplane without a test flight to make sure everything works as contractually obligated?


"Southwest forgoes a traditional acceptance flight in return for a full tank of gas" - Flying August 2004

The plane in that article had two test flights by Boeing.


I highly doubt that this is the case today. I would love to know the actual answer to this
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:17 pm

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Just one in ATL as of this afternoon.


2 left. One at the north deice pad and one getting prepped in front of the hangar.
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:57 pm

I saw one at PHX gate D4 today. When I first saw it I did a double take.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:54 am

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Interested wrote:
seahawk wrote:
It entirely depends on what the fix will be. If it is just software and the FAA approves it, it is a matter of days to bring the fleet back into the air. If it is software + new flight manuals + sim training it takes longer to roll this out. I would guess between 1-3 months. If it is software + new flight manuals + sim training + hardware fix (more AoA sensors, warning lights in cockpit etc.) we are probably looking at 3-9 months.


Or if it's looking at whether the plane should ever have been certified safe to fly with these changes it could be years or never?

There has to be an acceptable level of risk with a plane THIS important



“Years” or “never” won’t happen anywhere, the regulators are not putting their carriers out of business to spite Boeing.

GF


I did wonder this

No matter what level of compensation Boeing are paying airlines while planes are grounded or not delivered the airlines impacted will be losing money somehow

And so many are so fragile anyway

So it's not just Boeings cash flow at stake here. It's the domino effect

And absolute safety may have to take a back seat at some stage
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:56 am

Here is a photo of some of the 737MAX8's at VCV

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https://twitter.com/AirlineGeeks/status ... 64160?s=20
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:08 am

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Southwest Airlines is storming their 737 MAX aircraft at Victorville


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Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:28 am

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Flight testing the software has been ongoing by Boeing in the simulator and actual flight as Moses lake, I doubt a test flight will be required. As others avionics updates haven’t required test hops.



Maybe the E cab, but not in any simulators...yet.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:30 am

Interested wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Interested wrote:

Or if it's looking at whether the plane should ever have been certified safe to fly with these changes it could be years or never?

There has to be an acceptable level of risk with a plane THIS important



“Years” or “never” won’t happen anywhere, the regulators are not putting their carriers out of business to spite Boeing.

GF


I did wonder this

No matter what level of compensation Boeing are paying airlines while planes are grounded or not delivered the airlines impacted will be losing money somehow

And so many are so fragile anyway

So it's not just Boeings cash flow at stake here. It's the domino effect

And absolute safety may have to take a back seat at some stage


Absolute safety should take a back seat? Seriously?

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Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:34 am

Absolute safety is an illusion. I
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:28 pm

From Flightaware and Flightradar24 data, I count 20 WN Max-8 frames on the ground currently at VCV.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:09 pm

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......The only downside is the heat and sun's ultraviolet rays can be hard on the exterior paint. :old:


The daily doses of UV the paint receives at FL300+ is much much higher than when the bird is in the ground. :airplane:
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:01 pm

scbriml wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
Southwest Airlines is storming their 737 MAX aircraft at Victorville


Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me!


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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:01 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Today's flights are populating in Flightaware
8700: from BWI (should be the last MAX at BWI after the 3 from yesterday) [8734]
8701: ATL [8709]
8702: MCO [8705]
8703: MDW [8722]
8704+ are yet to load.


Today's WN8704 (8716) - HOU-VCV
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KHOU/KVCV

That leaves four remaining 38Ms at both MDW and MCO, two at ATL, and one each at DAL, LAX, OAK and TPA (as of 1400 CDT Monday).


Today's flights are beginning to populate:

8701: MCO
8702: ATL
8705: OAK
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:04 pm

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Here is a photo of some of the 737MAX8's at VCV

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https://twitter.com/AirlineGeeks/status ... 64160?s=20


Some is an understatement, goodness look at the sight of that. Hate seeing any aircraft parked up like this, hope they’ll be back in the air soon.

edit: Yes I’m aware plenty more aircraft are on their way there.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:10 pm

PW100 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
Southwest Airlines is storming their 737 MAX aircraft at Victorville


Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me!


Victorville, airplane Hotel California . . . You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave.

Not true, after 9/11 WN stored brand new 737s in the desert and they did leave and go into revenue service
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:46 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
PW100 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me!


Victorville, airplane Hotel California . . . You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave.

Not true, after 9/11 WN stored brand new 737s in the desert and they did leave and go into revenue service


I don't know what to say to that . . . .
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:35 pm

Spacepope wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Today's flights are populating in Flightaware
8700: from BWI (should be the last MAX at BWI after the 3 from yesterday) [8734]
8701: ATL [8709]
8702: MCO [8705]
8703: MDW [8722]
8704+ are yet to load.


Today's WN8704 (8716) - HOU-VCV
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KHOU/KVCV

That leaves four remaining 38Ms at both MDW and MCO, two at ATL, and one each at DAL, LAX, OAK and TPA (as of 1400 CDT Monday).


Today's flights are beginning to populate:

8701: MCO
8702: ATL
8705: OAK


And 8706 was just filed from LAX, which should be the only one there.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:06 pm

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ikolkyo wrote:
A said above l, much easier to consolidate a fleet in one airport for storage and fixing.

And cheaper to park them at VCV than wherever they are now sitting.


Not to get off topic, but can anyone shed some light on parking fees? How much per day/night? Any examples? How is this calculated? I see one at TPA and am guessing parking fees at TPA may be more cost effective than say, LGA.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:16 pm

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Here is a photo of some of the 737MAX8's at VCV

Image

https://twitter.com/AirlineGeeks/status ... 64160?s=20


Is it just an illusion or are tails on the Max really that high?
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:33 pm

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Boeing is not conducting Customer acceptance flights. Therefore no aircraft are leaving Boeing’s hands until this is all sorted out.


WN accepts fuel in place of customer acceptance flights viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382525&p=20434515&hilit=wn+customer+acceptance+flights#p20434515
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:11 pm

Spacepope wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Today's flights are populating in Flightaware
8700: from BWI (should be the last MAX at BWI after the 3 from yesterday) [8734]
8701: ATL [8709]
8702: MCO [8705]
8703: MDW [8722]
8704+ are yet to load.


Today's WN8704 (8716) - HOU-VCV
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KHOU/KVCV

That leaves four remaining 38Ms at both MDW and MCO, two at ATL, and one each at DAL, LAX, OAK and TPA (as of 1400 CDT Monday).


Today's flights are beginning to populate:

8701: MCO
8702: ATL
8705: OAK


Looks like 8701 returned to MCO
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:21 pm

WN Ferry Flights to VCV for 26 March:

WN8700 MCO-VCV (Ship # UNK as of time of post)
WN8701 MCO-VCV (8712)
WN8702 ATL-VCV (8726)
WN8703 (Not Filed)
WN8704 MCO-VCV (Ship # UNK as of time of post)
WN8705 OAK-VCV (8711)
WN8706 LAX-VCV (8707)
WN8707 MDW-VCV (Ship # UNK as of time of post)
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:35 pm

Looks like Southwest had a Return-to-field on a Victorville-bound Max this afternoon:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KMCO/KMCO
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:37 pm

n92r03 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
A said above l, much easier to consolidate a fleet in one airport for storage and fixing.

And cheaper to park them at VCV than wherever they are now sitting.


Not to get off topic, but can anyone shed some light on parking fees? How much per day/night? Any examples? How is this calculated? I see one at TPA and am guessing parking fees at TPA may be more cost effective than say, LGA.

Depends wildly on the airport.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:42 pm

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Looks like Southwest had a Return-to-field on a Victorville-bound Max this afternoon:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KMCO/KMCO


Just caught a TV news blurb about it, apparently they had an engine fail during initial climb and returned to MCO.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:46 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Looks like Southwest had a Return-to-field on a Victorville-bound Max this afternoon:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA ... /KMCO/KMCO


Just caught a TV news blurb about it, apparently they had an engine fail during initial climb and returned to MCO.


Just saw it on FR24, I was worried it was another MCAS incident but it seems unrelated. But then again, with all the media attention the MAX is getting this is still bad news for Boeing.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:48 pm

http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local- ... al-airport

"A Southwest Boeing 737 Max took off from Orlando International Airport after 2:30 p.m on Tuesday. Airport officials said that it experienced a malfunction and had to return to Orlando for an emergency landing."

What on Earth...
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:51 pm

GSOflyerDL wrote:
http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local-news/southwest-boeing-737-max-makes-emergency-landing-at-orlando-international-airport

"A Southwest Boeing 737 Max took off from Orlando International Airport after 2:30 p.m on Tuesday. Airport officials said that it experienced a malfunction and had to return to Orlando for an emergency landing."

What on Earth...


It wasn't the MCAS. An engine overheated. Then it ingested debris while landing.

http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local- ... al-airport
 
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flyingclrs727 wrote:
GSOflyerDL wrote:
http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local-news/southwest-boeing-737-max-makes-emergency-landing-at-orlando-international-airport

"A Southwest Boeing 737 Max took off from Orlando International Airport after 2:30 p.m on Tuesday. Airport officials said that it experienced a malfunction and had to return to Orlando for an emergency landing."

What on Earth...


It wasn't the MCAS. An engine overheated. Then it ingested debris while landing.

http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local- ... al-airport


Great, thank you for clarifying.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:33 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
GSOflyerDL wrote:
http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local-news/southwest-boeing-737-max-makes-emergency-landing-at-orlando-international-airport

"A Southwest Boeing 737 Max took off from Orlando International Airport after 2:30 p.m on Tuesday. Airport officials said that it experienced a malfunction and had to return to Orlando for an emergency landing."

What on Earth...


It wasn't the MCAS. An engine overheated. Then it ingested debris while landing.

http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local- ... al-airport

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:24 pm

jagraham wrote:
B757capt wrote:
Boeing is not conducting Customer acceptance flights. Therefore no aircraft are leaving Boeing’s hands until this is all sorted out.


WN accepts fuel in place of customer acceptance flights viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382525&p=20434515&hilit=wn+customer+acceptance+flights#p20434515

This is not accurate. Boeing provides fuel to the customers final destination or first stop with each delivery. Southwest can certainly waive off the customer acceptance flights if they like. In fact, some carieers such as Aeroflot, have paid Boeing to delivery the aircraft to them. Carieers such as American, do not allow delivery acceptance without a Customer flight.

To each is own but a Fuel isn’t the reason.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:49 pm

If you zoom in to Victorville on Flightradar24 and possibly Google Earth, the ramp and a taxiway are already shown full of Southwest Max 8s.

That was updated pretty quick.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:41 pm

Elshad wrote:
Good sign. Means the authorities won’t accept a quick software patch or other half-assed fix.


A longer wait may give the general public more confidence (perception) in the repair and airworthiness of the plane, manufacturer and FAA even if the quick-fix could be done now and work fine.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:44 pm

uta999 wrote:
If you zoom in to Victorville on Flightradar24 and possibly Google Earth, the ramp and a taxiway are already shown full of Southwest Max 8s.

That was updated pretty quick.



On Google maps - still haven't figured out how to include uploaded photos on mobile, but here's a

https://maps.app.goo.gl/FHfP5

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