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UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:31 pm
by Max Q
Curious about this operation, did UPS buy any of these freighters new from Boeing, I think they had some used models, were they all conversions ?

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:33 pm
by flyPIT
All used.

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:30 pm
by Delta28L
Only the 747-8Fs are factory new

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:55 pm
by Boeing727
Delta28L wrote:
Only the 747-8Fs are factory new


...and many of their B747-400Fs.

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:07 am
by Max Q
My post was referring only to their Classic 100 and 200 series freighters

Anyone has more information on that operation I’d be interested

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:43 am
by 777PHX
Delta28L wrote:
Only the 747-8Fs are factory new


They had some of the last -400Fs off the -400 line.

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:40 am
by cedarjet
One of their -100s was the star of the movie “Airport 1975”

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:08 am
by Ionosphere
Didn't they acquire the 747 with Flying Tiger merger?

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:26 am
by cedarjet
Ionosphere wrote:
Didn't they acquire the 747 with Flying Tiger merger?

Flying Tigers was bought by FedEx, not UPS

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:27 am
by Flaps
Ionosphere wrote:
Didn't they acquire the 747 with Flying Tiger merger?


No. FedEx acquired Flying Tigers not UPS.

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:42 pm
by northstardc4m
Ups acquired the American Freighter 747-123f fleet from AA in 84/85... then 3 747SR-Fs from evergreen and added the ex FT ex FedEx fleet when FedEx retired them around 91.

They later picked up a few 200s into the late 90s.

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Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:55 am
by Max Q
northstardc4m wrote:
Ups acquired the American Freighter 747-123f fleet from AA in 84/85... then 3 747SR-Fs from evergreen and added the ex FT ex FedEx fleet when FedEx retired them around 91.

They later picked up a few 200s into the late 90s.

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Great info, that’s what I was looking for, thanks

Didn’t know that any Classic SR’s has been converted to freighters, interesting

How big did the Classic fleet become altogether?

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:12 am
by northstardc4m
As I recall 10 100s, 11 200s and the 3 SRs... I'll try to dig out an old jpaf tomorrow and confirm... None of the online sources match up exactly so I'll check something more period.

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Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:38 am
by Max Q
northstardc4m wrote:
As I recall 10 100s, 11 200s and the 3 SRs... I'll try to dig out an old jpaf tomorrow and confirm... None of the online sources match up exactly so I'll check something more period.

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That’s a bigger fleet than I thought, thanks for the information

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:16 am
by juliuswong
northstardc4m wrote:
As I recall 10 100s, 11 200s and the 3 SRs... I'll try to dig out an old jpaf tomorrow and confirm... None of the online sources match up exactly so I'll check something more period.

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Airfleet got it quite accurately. 10 B741, 9 B742 and 3 747SR.

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:06 pm
by northstardc4m
Well my OAGs disagree... they had 12 -100s but the rest is correct.

12 747-100s:
N671UP 123F
N672UP 123F
N673UP 123F
N674UP 123F
N675UP 123F
N676UP 123F
N677UP 121F
N681UP 121F
N682UP 121F
N683UP 121F
N690UP 121F
N691UP 121F

3 747-SR46(F):

N680UP
N688UP
N689UP

9 747-200F

N520UP 212B(SF)
N521UP 212B(SF)
N522UP 212B(SF)
N523UP 283B(SF)
N524UP 237B(SF)
N525UP 212B(SF)
N526UP 212B(SF)
N527UP 259B(SF)
N528UP 256B/M(SF)

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:55 pm
by northstardc4m
sorry not OAGs, JPAFs....

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:20 pm
by THS214
Ionosphere wrote:
Didn't they acquire the 747 with Flying Tiger merger?


That was FedEx.

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:24 pm
by Max Q
Thanks again for the info, do you know when the last Classic was retired ?


Interesting they had quite a few ex Pan Am aircraft

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:21 pm
by northstardc4m
Max Q wrote:
Thanks again for the info, do you know when the last Classic was retired ?


Interesting they had quite a few ex Pan Am aircraft


I don't have the last retirement date, i think it was around 2009.

A lot of the Pan Am 747 fleet got Side Cargo Doors as part of the Civil Reserve Air Fleet program (CRAF) so they were easily marketed as freighters when PA started to shed them as they shed routes.

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:00 am
by FlyingViking
N532UP was a former SAS 747-200. MSN#500

Re: UPS and it’s classic 747’s

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:54 pm
by acjbbj
What were the payloads of the 741F's and 742F's compared to the 744 and 748?