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Re: UA's presence in Seoul/Incheon?

Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:53 am

UA de-empathised on "international gateways" in favour of their hubs during their bankruptcy. "International Gateways" or "Focus Cities" were dismantled in favour of concentrating on UA's hubs during bankruptcy. This meant the point to point flying from the "International Gateways" of JFK, MIA (Latin America ops acquired from PA in the late 80s/early 90s), SEA and to a lesser extent BOS and EWR were moved to nearby hubs.

IIRC UA's JFK "international operations" during their final years was reduced to NRT and LHR, before the LHR slots were sold to DL. I can't recall what happened to the NRT-JFK route.
 
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Re: UA's presence in Seoul/Incheon?

Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:34 am

One of the reasons UA flies SFO-ICN is due to the large US military presence in Seoul.. There's a market there just like Delta has a market there. But? Does Delta have an interline partner there? UA has Asiana..
 
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Re: UA's presence in Seoul/Incheon?

Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:39 am

strfyr51 wrote:
One of the reasons UA flies SFO-ICN is due to the large US military presence in Seoul.. There's a market there just like Delta has a market there. But? Does Delta have an interline partner there? UA has Asiana..


Delta has JV partner KE. Also some of DL's hubs have high O&D to ICN like ATL, SEA, LAX and JFK.
 
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Re: UA's presence in Seoul/Incheon?

Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:40 am

LAXintl wrote:
United is not very close to OZ.

Matter of fact at ICN UA is ground handled by KE!


I guess it was true in the past, but I found UA now has their own ground staffs at ICN when I was taking UA 892 on 4th April.

I also agree with what you said about the relationship between UA and OZ, definitely not the same-level close relationship with NH and CA in Asia for UA.
 
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Re: UA's presence in Seoul/Incheon?

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:33 am

strfyr51 wrote:
One of the reasons UA flies SFO-ICN is due to the large US military presence in Seoul.. There's a market there just like Delta has a market there. But? Does Delta have an interline partner there? UA has Asiana..

SFO-ICN is a large market in its own right. Plus even if UA didn't make money on it theyd still fly it to help maintain their position and image in the Pacific. It's break even or even a loss leader at worst.
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Re: UA's presence in Seoul/Incheon?

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:53 am

TWA772LR wrote:
SFO-ICN is a large market in its own right. Plus even if UA didn't make money on it theyd still fly it to help maintain their position and image in the Pacific. It's break even or even a loss leader at worst.


I don't think US airlines do that anymore, most have been proactively cutting money-losing routes (e.g., DL SEA-HKG). But given the fact UA is going to 11x weekly should be indication that the route is profitable.

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