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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:16 pm

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bluefrog wrote:
amazing what a visit from a head of state can do for someone like airbus !! lol ,(chinese president visiting france at the moment)

Because of course Boeing is immune to these sorts of things... :roll:

@bluefrog, yes it happens all the time when Head of Government visit US or any EU states. Buying truckload of airplane is one of the best tools to offset trade imbalance, especially when we have giant country like China. Local conglomerates boss will often follow such trip to sign trade deals, MoU and LoI for business opportunities.

Former France President Francois was present when Lion Air signed the 234 A320 deal with Airbus.
Obama sealed Vietjet's order for 200 Max. Signing took place during recent DT visit.
Some examples....
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:21 pm

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ac33e wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
And then Chinese won't hesitate buying a 737 which until recently has no FAL/completion center in China.

Michael


We were talking about Airbus, Michael. If you weren't aware, that's a different company.

Boeing 737 with no assembly line in China sold well there.
A220 with no assembly line in China doesn't sell there.

That's what Michael was pointing.

Thanks WayexTDI absolutely spot on. There's not much difference in buying A320/B737 simply because of the FAL/Completion centre thing.

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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:22 pm

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CEOs for fast availability or some amazing end of the line deals from A?

Either way great order.

EOL and fast availability both playing factors. A fellow a.net member gonzales and I keep track of A320ceo production monthly. After removing ghost order, Airbus can easily free up 100 CEO slots.

The much dismissed A319 secured new order again! Long live A319!
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:34 pm

I'm guessing this is for the NEOs right?
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:37 pm

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This has to be the largest order plane ever! Curious to know who as all the clients that will use these planes.

IndiGo and Indigo Partners (two very different entities) order for 430 A320 each are currently the largest deals ever signed by Airbus in single order. US Airways's order for 400 Airbus in 1997 was also regarded as one of the largest but only 120 was firm order.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:44 pm

What would be interesting to see is if MF gets allocated any A320s as it has been an all Boeing airline since inception and indeed one of the few major all Boeing airlines remaining
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:46 pm

juliuswong wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
CEOs for fast availability or some amazing end of the line deals from A?

Either way great order.

EOL and fast availability both playing factors. A fellow a.net member gonzales and I keep track of A320ceo production monthly. After removing ghost order, Airbus can easily free up 100 CEO slots.

The much dismissed A319 secured new order again! Long live A319!


Same here regarding the A319 (my fave AB :goodvibes:), but the CFM56-5's and V2500 are obsolete pollution-spewers that belong in the year of Hair Metal - 1988.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:47 pm

China needs the bigger planes than C-Series, also this is not true European plane more Canadaian.
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:41 am

Airbus ended February 2019 with the following remaining A320ceo backlog:

A319:
UFO - 8
Hamburg International - 2

A320:
UFO - 17
Gecas - 7
Ural Air - 7
Iran Air - 6
Lufthansa - 6
Peach - 4
Mexicana - 4
Aero K - 3
Air Asia - 3
Aviation Capital Group - 1
Spirit - 1
Private - 1
CASC - 1

A321:
Delta - 57
UTAir - 8
Iran Air - 7
Wizz Air - 5

UFO that has high possibility be included in this new order:
UFO - 8
UFO - 17
CASC - 1

For A320neo family, there are currently 412 A319neo/A320neo currently listed as unidentified. Not sure if any of these are part of new deal.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:55 am

1989worstyear wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
CEOs for fast availability or some amazing end of the line deals from A?

Either way great order.

EOL and fast availability both playing factors. A fellow a.net member gonzales and I keep track of A320ceo production monthly. After removing ghost order, Airbus can easily free up 100 CEO slots.

The much dismissed A319 secured new order again! Long live A319!


Same here regarding the A319 (my fave AB :goodvibes:), but the CFM56-5's and V2500 are obsolete pollution-spewers that belong in the year of Hair Metal - 1988.

Time for you to step foot in 2019: the CFM56-5B of today is much cleaner than the original CFM56-5A from the late 80's and is still very relevant today (in 2019).
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:58 am

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Great news for the 320 but the 220 and 330 don't look good if you ask me.
Is almost like airbus 320 and 350 are the only real valuable products for the customers.
I wish the 220 would get more love. Freaking great aircraft. Loved every trip on it with Swiss.

Didn’t the Chinese ordered a boatload of A330ceo recently (2016/2017)? Maybe it’s a bit early for a new A330 order

Yes, here are some of the last A330ceo order by CN3:
DECEMBER 5, 2012: 10 A330-300
China Southern seals $1.9 billion deal to buy 10 Airbus planes
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... B320121205

OCTOBER 29, 2015: 30 A330-300
China and Germany sign $38bn deal for mainland airlines to buy 30 A330 Airbus aircraft
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... nes-buy-30

MARCH 1, 2016: 12 A330-300s
Air China seals $2.9b deal with Airbus Group
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2 ... 693495.htm

There was a planned order in 2012 for 45 A330ceo that didn't materialise due to EU imposing carbon emissions charges unilaterally. Also the 60 A330ceo order for Regional version, which didn't come to fruition. Only Saudia is now operating the version now.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:00 am

Is this a purposely blow to A737-MAX?
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:11 am

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Curious why China has kept away from the A220 so far. Don't they produce parts for it, or is that not the case anymore?

I have two hypothetical guess on this.

1. The clogging of airport. China air transport has grown tremendously for past two decades, more locals are taking into the air. Rather than buying smaller airplane like A220, it would be better off to buy larger ones. They have A380 on CTN to PVG, run multiple A330 flight from PVG to PEK daily. Airports will be more congested and more needs to be built.

2. The political saga. Huawei's boss daughter is being held currently in Canada for breaching US sanction on Iran. Like it or not, business is intertwined with politics, more so in Asia. Until the saga is done and dusted, there won't be any A220 in China anytime soon (glad to be proven wrong if it does happen). It is not certified to fly into Tibet, hence A319 will take front seat. I know A220 is "Airbus product" now, but still it is originated from Canada at inception.


I'd probably agree more with the political side of the argument. China was said to be strongly interested in acquiring a stake in the programme back when Bombardier was shopping for partners as it struggled with it. The Canadian government pushed them to do a deal with Airbus instead. But still, Bombardier looks to have done a bad deal by giving China a significant amount of CSeries production work and getting nothing in return.
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:15 am

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Is this a purposely blow to A737-MAX?

You are reading too much into this, the Chinese in recent years routinely split big orders between the two OEMs, they re too smart to be totally dependent on one supplier. Also when Xi or any Chinese leader makes a state visit like this, big orders are often announced. These visits are usually planned well ahead and any big contracts will have been worked on for a long time beforehand.
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:16 am

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Is this a purposely blow to A737-MAX?


Not at all.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:06 am

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This deal is amazing. Can we expect a similar deal for Boeing?

Nothing personal but can we have one thread here that doesn’t have a “What about the other guy?” aspect?
We can well discuss a Boeing order if it happens.

In the meantime, it’s a great order. But to add a little rain, some A338/9’s would be nicer to see.


I agree overall, but in light of the Boeing 737 Max 8/9 issue ...its very valid for once. 290 Airbus aircraft!!! ..in the same category as the 737....yeah very valid and Boeing better get use to see these orders go to Airbus, hmmm for awhile.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:18 am

Will all these planes go only to the state-owned carriers such as CA/CZ/MU and their subsidiaries? Or will airlines like Sichuan get a few?

In any case, the position of IndiGo as the world’s largest A320 operator won’t stay for long.

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Remarkable feat by Indigo. Does that make Indigo the 2nd or 3rd largest A320 operator?

THE LARGEST A320 operator (not the A320 family) not taking into account subsidiary airlines

Fantastic. I was under the impression that Air Asia had more and also doubt about China Eastern, but thanks for clearing that up....
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:28 am

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In any case, the position of IndiGo as the world’s largest A320 operator won’t stay for long.


Why do you say that? That is 290 aircraft spread between several carriers and over many years.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:31 am

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In any case, the position of IndiGo as the world’s largest A320 operator won’t stay for long.


Why do you say that? That is 290 aircraft spread between several carriers and over many years.


6E has barely crossed 200 A320s. MU already has 198. Surely some aircraft of this order will go to MU. But I stand corrected; 6E has a big order still left. I was looking only at the short term. My apologies.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:34 am

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Reuters report:
Airbus signed a deal on Monday to sell 300 aircraft to China Aviation Supplies Holding Company, including 290 A320 planes and 10 A350

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fran ... SKCN1R622F


Anyone else think it’s funny that the company that is buying 300 planes has initials that spell CASH Company?
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:47 am

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AFAIK, the A220 centre fuselage is produced by AVIC Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. That's still a significant work package handed to China for zero orders in return so far. I'm not sure what the situation is with the Airbus takeover.


I would think Airbus is studying the A220 production process, once they have the process established and problems ironed out in Mobile I am sure they will do similar to the A320 where they built a mirror of the Hamburg A320 facility in China. Build a mirror of the Molile A220 line in China.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:57 am

Are we all forgetting the 10 A350s (that doesn’t have to be -900), that nearly definitely will go to CA? I suppose they will be delivered (if they are CA’s) at 2021 Spring, right when the slots for PEK get released.
A220...... it is just that delivering them from N. America East Coast to China are just tough. They need to go to ANC for stopping (only for the already clogged up YMX) and stretch A220’s max range twice to go to TSN. Alabama? 3 stops. That is quite a bit of trouble.
Also, Chinese cities are often large enough to sustain mainline service because that is the justifiying reason for many cities with good ground transport access. It just effectively kills regional flights.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:57 am

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1989worstyear wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
EOL and fast availability both playing factors. A fellow a.net member gonzales and I keep track of A320ceo production monthly. After removing ghost order, Airbus can easily free up 100 CEO slots.

The much dismissed A319 secured new order again! Long live A319!


Same here regarding the A319 (my fave AB :goodvibes:), but the CFM56-5's and V2500 are obsolete pollution-spewers that belong in the year of Hair Metal - 1988.

Time for you to step foot in 2019: the CFM56-5B of today is much cleaner than the original CFM56-5A from the late 80's and is still very relevant today (in 2019).


Still a 1988 engine with small upgrades . The 2019 engine is the LEAP or PW1000G!

Folks on here with more engine knowledge have said the changes applied between the -5A and -5B were less significant than the CF6-80 on the 767 when the C2 variant came out.

Plus, look at how many carriers have held on to or are acquiring 25-29 year old A320's, yet retiring/scrapping 757's', 767's, and A340's 10-15 years younger. The former are still in demand because their design/tech is still modern and cost effective, and the others are not.

Face it - 1988 and 2019+ are the same technological era because of the A320. Very little has changed since then. At least it's not the 1968 alternative.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:07 am

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Is this a purposely blow to A737-MAX?


More of a blow to the C919. Why not 300 of those?
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:20 am

ELBOB wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Is this a purposely blow to A737-MAX?


More of a blow to the C919. Why not 300 of those?


Do you really think they'll be cranking those out at that kind of rate anytime soon? Because I don't think so...
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:50 am

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A321:
Delta - 57

I still wonder if they won't eventually convert some remainder of these over to NEO, in due time...
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:06 am

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More of a blow to the C919. Why not 300 of those?


Do you really think they'll be cranking those out at that kind of rate anytime soon? Because I don't think so...


As opposed to waiting ( 5,500 / ( 63 * 12 ) ) over seven years before receiving their first Neo from this order?

C919 production is to ramp-up in 2021. Let's say it remains slow and they can only built one-fifteenth of what Airbus can per month. So four per month, for five years gives... 240. So, yes, entirely possible to have a substantial number delivered even before the first new-order-Neo lands in China.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:17 am

I would call this order disappointing. Sure more A320, but Airbus sells more than they can make - but very few widebodies and no A330s. Not what Airbus needs.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:32 am

Looking at ghe current backlog, I think Airbus won't mind some customers "defecting" to A220-300/-500 over time. When your network requirements are 120-170 seats, you do not require serious cargo capability and / or longer flights it might work.

No cockpit commonality though.. Imagine they would have decided to spec the same A320 cockpit layout 10 years ago & make fly & feel the same, that would have been a serously good idea.. Some proud stubborn's probably at the time.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:37 am

Will China get a second A320neo line at Tianjin then?
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:37 am

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I would call this order disappointing. Sure more A320, but Airbus sells more than they can make - but very few widebodies and no A330s. Not what Airbus needs.


An order for 300 aircraft is “disappointing”? Wow!
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:45 am

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I would call this order disappointing. Sure more A320, but Airbus sells more than they can make - but very few widebodies and no A330s. Not what Airbus needs.


An order for 300 aircraft is “disappointing”? Wow!


That depends on your perspective. Nobody will dispute that the A320NEO is a winner, but I personally think it is very disappointing that no A330s were ordered, especially if you look at the completion centre Airbus opened in China in 2017. For me it is an order that does only highlight the problems Airbus is facing.

1. Demand for the A320NEO is bigger than supply and it looks to stay that way for a few years
2. the widebodies do not really sell in big numbers
3. the A330NEO struggles
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:01 am

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Looking at ghe current backlog, I think Airbus won't mind some customers "defecting" to A220-300/-500 over time. When your network requirements are 120-170 seats, you do not require serious cargo capability and / or longer flights it might work.

No cockpit commonality though.. Imagine they would have decided to spec the same A320 cockpit layout 10 years ago & make fly & feel the same, that would have been a serously good idea.. Some proud stubborn's probably at the time.


But to make cockpit commonality between the A220's and A320's surely must be doable and something Airbus is thinking about, no?
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:20 am

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seahawk wrote:
I would call this order disappointing. Sure more A320, but Airbus sells more than they can make - but very few widebodies and no A330s. Not what Airbus needs.


An order for 300 aircraft is “disappointing”? Wow!


That depends on your perspective. Nobody will dispute that the A320NEO is a winner, but I personally think it is very disappointing that no A330s were ordered, especially if you look at the completion centre Airbus opened in China in 2017. For me it is an order that does only highlight the problems Airbus is facing.

1. Demand for the A320NEO is bigger than supply and it looks to stay that way for a few years
2. the widebodies do not really sell in big numbers
3. the A330NEO struggles


Maybe an A330 order will follow later on.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:20 am

People seem to ignore - or want to - how many A350s Airbus has sold in the first 3 months of 2019. Not to mention another 290 A320s. But yes it is all about the problems Airbus is supposedly facing. #doomed
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:28 am

But to make cockpit commonality between the A220's and A320's surely must be doable and something Airbus is thinking about, no?


Seems to be impossible. Quite different philosophies. Different checklist handling. Boils down to a new airplane.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:30 am

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Jouhou wrote:
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More of a blow to the C919. Why not 300 of those?


Do you really think they'll be cranking those out at that kind of rate anytime soon? Because I don't think so...


As opposed to waiting ( 5,500 / ( 63 * 12 ) ) over seven years before receiving their first Neo from this order?

C919 production is to ramp-up in 2021. Let's say it remains slow and they can only built one-fifteenth of what Airbus can per month. So four per month, for five years gives... 240. So, yes, entirely possible to have a substantial number delivered even before the first new-order-Neo lands in China.


So uh, that covers what Chinese airlines have already ordered? I kind of assume they will take as much as they can produce...

But also production slots are allocated differently than that. I'm pretty sure they are constantly freeing up earlier slots by cancellations and deferments.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:42 am

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But to make cockpit commonality between the A220's and A320's surely must be doable and something Airbus is thinking about, no?


Seems to be impossible. Quite different philosophies. Different checklist handling. Boils down to a new airplane.


You are probably right.
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:45 am

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As opposed to waiting ( 5,500 / ( 63 * 12 ) ) over seven years before receiving their first Neo from this order?


If China wants then sooner than that, they'll almost certainly get them sooner. The production line doesn't run in a perfectly sequential order by order fashion.

One of the benefits of a huge backlog is that it gives you a lot of flexibility with your customers. At any point in time there will be customers looking to bring orders forward, others looking to push orders back. Juggling the production schedule must be a full time job (probably for a team of people).
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:30 am

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But to make cockpit commonality between the A220's and A320's surely must be doable and something Airbus is thinking about, no?


Seems to be impossible. Quite different philosophies. Different checklist handling. Boils down to a new airplane.


You are probably right.
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It is highly unlikely and will probably never happen.

You wonder though, if engineering comes up a plan, significant mods, re-certification (compare 737-200 & MAX cockpits) and conclude it is very complicated and will costs 36 months / $1.5Billion. Would they consider it? We are talking a possibly $500billion+ 25 yr strategic program.
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:46 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Is this a purposely blow to A737-MAX?


?
Look at the planning horizon. Years.
Murphy is an optimist
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:46 am

chiad wrote:
keesje wrote:
Looking at ghe current backlog, I think Airbus won't mind some customers "defecting" to A220-300/-500 over time. When your network requirements are 120-170 seats, you do not require serious cargo capability and / or longer flights it might work.

No cockpit commonality though.. Imagine they would have decided to spec the same A320 cockpit layout 10 years ago & make fly & feel the same, that would have been a serously good idea.. Some proud stubborn's probably at the time.


But to make cockpit commonality between the A220's and A320's surely must be doable and something Airbus is thinking about, no?


Airbus focus right now regarding A220 is cutting down production costs. After that is achieved we probably will see more focus in sales.
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:35 am

1989worstyear wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:

Same here regarding the A319 (my fave AB :goodvibes:), but the CFM56-5's and V2500 are obsolete pollution-spewers that belong in the year of Hair Metal - 1988.

Time for you to step foot in 2019: the CFM56-5B of today is much cleaner than the original CFM56-5A from the late 80's and is still very relevant today (in 2019).


Still a 1988 engine with small upgrades . The 2019 engine is the LEAP or PW1000G!

Then, with that logic, no engine is a 2019 engine: the LEAP is a 2016 engine (Pegasus starts flying Leap-1A-powered A320neo and the PW1000G is a also a 2016 engine (Airbus Delivers A320neo to Lufthansa)

1989worstyear wrote:
Face it - 1988 and 2019+ are the same technological era because of the A320. Very little has changed since then. At least it's not the 1968 alternative.

So, the 737MAX is a 1968 aircraft with that same logic?

Again, it's time for you to step in 2019, plenty of things have changed since 1988: we now have the internet, smart phones, much safer and cleaner cars, etc...

But, I should be asking myself a question: why am I feeding a troll like you???
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:45 am

RalXWB wrote:
People seem to ignore - or want to - how many A350s Airbus has sold in the first 3 months of 2019. Not to mention another 290 A320s. But yes it is all about the problems Airbus is supposedly facing. #doomed


For what its worth, people seem to ignore - or want to - how many A330's Airbus has sold in the first 3 months of 2019. #Evenmoredoomed.
There is a cynic in me that says I can see why they are disappointed ..... :)

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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:55 pm

Kilopond wrote:
usa330300 wrote:
[....]What's the orange one?


Good question! The term has an extremely negative conotation in the anglo-american world only because of William III.


I seriously doubt people outside of the Emerald Isle know much about that type of orangeness...

Whenever I explain the connection between the Dutch and Northern Ireland, almost everyone (most Dutch included) had no idea.
"As with most things related to aircraft design, it's all about the trade-offs and much more nuanced than A.net likes to make out."
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:20 pm

Kilopond wrote:
usa330300 wrote:
[....]What's the orange one?


Good question! The term has an extremely negative conotation in the anglo-american world only because of William III.

Totally contrary to that, in continental Europe "orange" persons are generally percieved positively. For instance King Willem-Alexander, son of Queen Beatrix who also bear the title of a Prince/Princess of Orange.


My sincere apologies I most certainly didn't mean this! I totally meant Trump, I sometimes forget this is a world forum. I will be more careful!
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:12 pm

seahawk wrote:
I would call this order disappointing. Sure more A320, but Airbus sells more than they can make - but very few widebodies and no A330s. Not what Airbus needs.


Sure it might be disappointing for you but Airbus is celebrating all the way to the bank
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:34 pm

With regard to the A220, I am not aure that it was ever seriously considered in that sales campaign - Airbus took over the CS-programme just nine months ago and I doubt such a massive order was negotiated within just a few months so that 100 or so A220s could be thrown in at the last minute. Plus regional airliners have not exactly sold like hot bread in China in the past years. The smallest they apparently go for nowadays are 180 seaters with the occasional 150 seater thrown in.
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:41 pm

seahawk wrote:
I would call this order disappointing. Sure more A320, but Airbus sells more than they can make - but very few widebodies and no A330s. Not what Airbus needs.


Well, also car manfacturers would love to sell only their top-of-the-range models. Regrettably, that is not how the market works and there is much less demand for that product. In the end, the company's balance sheet is all that matters. Maybe it is easier to make a profit by selling larger aircraft, but as long as the bottom line is okay, I doubt that Airbus shares your disappointment.
 
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Re: China agrees to buy 290 Airbus A320 planes, 10 A350s

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:59 pm

Amazing news for Airbus!

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