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What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:02 am

With A333 and B772 numbers at SQ dropping quickly, what would replace these aircraft on routes such as SIN-PER which is run as 2x A333, 1x B772, and 1x B78X.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:05 am

I imagine the A350-900Rs they have on order (if not already taking delivery of). There are also the 787-10s coming into the fleet.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:14 am

Stitch wrote:
I imagine the A350-900Rs they have on order (if not already taking delivery of). There are also the 787-10s coming into the fleet.

That was my first thought too, but I’ve been hearing rumours circle that B773 and B77W could be used too
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:30 am

Stitch wrote:
I imagine the A350-900Rs they have on order (if not already taking delivery of). There are also the 787-10s coming into the fleet.


They now have 4 A359 in “regional” config flying (9V-SHA/B/C/D).

But yes, it will be higher density A359s and 78X in the long run for SQ’s “regional” fleet, throw in a few 77W on destinations like TYO or HKG. The 773A are on their way out also.
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:30 am

As mentioned by Stitch, those B772/B772ER/B773 are replaced by A350-900 (in regional config) and B787-10.

B77W and A380 will eventually be replaced by B777-X.
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:06 am

DanielK wrote:
Stitch wrote:
I imagine the A350-900Rs they have on order (if not already taking delivery of). There are also the 787-10s coming into the fleet.

That was my first thought too, but I’ve been hearing rumours circle that B773 and B77W could be used too


If I am not mistaken, SQ is going to retire their classic B773 together with the A333s and the B772s. SQ's B77Ws have already been flying their high-demand short distance routes like CGK and HKG before they fly medium-haul or long-haul flights.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:13 am

The regional 772s on the SIN-MEL-WLG (SQ247/248) and BNE (SQ265/266) routes are also candidates to be replaced with the 359Rs.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:30 am

It’s curious around the trip costs on each fleet type. I’m surprised the regional operation warranted two seperate fleet types considering the number of seats isn’t hugely different; 350 - 40J 263Y and 78J- 36J/301. I would have thought a 789 or a high Y 350 config would have made sense to consolidate the fleet. I’m more curious how the missions for each will be split.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:35 am

From what I can see, the 78Xs are doing SE Asia, India, and North East Asia, while the A350Rs are doing limited SE Asia, some India, and Australia (excl. SYD and MEL).
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:41 am

Ugh, it's sad to see the comfortable 2-4-2 configurations gone. I'm done flying on their B787. Especially when I got seated on the middle seat last time.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:56 am

Coal wrote:
From what I can see, the 78Xs are doing SE Asia, India, and North East Asia, while the A350Rs are doing limited SE Asia, some India, and Australia (excl. SYD and MEL).


78X also does some PER flights as well.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:20 am

What is the capacity of SQ's A359R?
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:43 am

SCFlyer wrote:
The regional 772s on the SIN-MEL-WLG (SQ247/248) and BNE (SQ265/266) routes are also candidates to be replaced with the 359Rs.


BNE is usually a long haul 772 frame however what replaces it she’ll be interesting.

Dave05 wrote:
What is the capacity of SQ's A359R?


303, 40J 263Y.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:44 am

Dave05 wrote:
What is the capacity of SQ's A359R?

40J/263Y
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:56 am

Dave05 wrote:
What is the capacity of SQ's A359R?


303 seats - J40Y263. The B78X is J36Y301, and they advertise their economy seat width at 17.5 inches (with the standard 32" Y seat). Are the 9V-SH* frames capped at a lower MTOW?
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:44 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
The regional 772s on the SIN-MEL-WLG (SQ247/248) and BNE (SQ265/266) routes are also candidates to be replaced with the 359Rs.


BNE is usually a long haul 772 frame however what replaces it she’ll be interesting.

Dave05 wrote:
What is the capacity of SQ's A359R?


303, 40J 263Y.


Has been a mixture of both the regional and old long haul product on the SQ265/SQ266 BNE service. Usually the former more often than the later.

Saying that, SQ245/SQ246 should be the only BNE pair to remain as the 3-class A359 after March.

According to schedules past March the SQ255/SQ236 rotation should be joining the SQ235/SQ256 rotation (which is already operated by the 359R) with the 3-class 359 on that service replaced with the 2-class 359R
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:30 am

SCFlyer wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
The regional 772s on the SIN-MEL-WLG (SQ247/248) and BNE (SQ265/266) routes are also candidates to be replaced with the 359Rs.


BNE is usually a long haul 772 frame however what replaces it she’ll be interesting.

Dave05 wrote:
What is the capacity of SQ's A359R?


303, 40J 263Y.


Has been a mixture of both the regional and old long haul product on the SQ265/SQ266 BNE service. Usually the former more often than the later.

Saying that, SQ245/SQ246 should be the only BNE pair to remain as the 3-class A359 after March.

According to schedules past March the SQ255/SQ236 rotation should be joining the SQ235/SQ256 rotation (which is already operated by the 359R) with the 3-class 359 on that service replaced with the 2-class 359R


SQ265/266 is scheduled as the old long haul 772. It did get A330s for a brief period and maybe some regional 772 subs, every day the last week has been a long haul 772 though.

I sort of wondered why they didn’t or if it would make sense to have had a 2 class long haul A350 rather than regional? It’s always W class that may not be needed on every flight. They could have been used to Australia and any long hauls where no W needed and to give a standard J product. Particularly to BNe/PER etc
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:20 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
303, 40J 263Y.

Which, on a tangent sidebar, is kinda wild on DL's behalf.... seeing as that airline's 3class longhaul A359s seat more people.

Cray. :eek:
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:07 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
303, 40J 263Y.

Which, on a tangent sidebar, is kinda wild on DL's behalf.... seeing as that airline's 3class longhaul A359s seat more people.

Cray. :eek:


It's Singapore Airlines we're talking about. Their 77Ws are still 9-abreast in Y, 18" wide seats and a solid 32" pitch. Who does that? :crazy:
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:11 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Dave05 wrote:
What is the capacity of SQ's A359R?


303 seats - J40Y263. The B78X is J36Y301, and they advertise their economy seat width at 17.5 inches (with the standard 32" Y seat). Are the 9V-SH* frames capped at a lower MTOW?


Singapore A350R versions have a MTOW of 250T
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:58 pm

airbazar wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
303, 40J 263Y.

Which, on a tangent sidebar, is kinda wild on DL's behalf.... seeing as that airline's 3class longhaul A359s seat more people.

Cray. :eek:


It's Singapore Airlines we're talking about. Their 77Ws are still 9-abreast in Y, 18" wide seats and a solid 32" pitch. Who does that? :crazy:

Delta's 772/77L are also >18" wide seats at 9-abreast in Y, with 31-32" pitch. So Delta also does that, to answer your question.
 
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Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:21 pm

airbazar wrote:
It's Singapore Airlines we're talking about. Their 77Ws are still 9-abreast in Y, 18" wide seats and a solid 32" pitch. Who does that? :crazy:


Meanwhile KE is soldiering on alone with 9 abreast seats 18" wide, 34" pitch :confused:
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:23 pm

airbazar wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
303, 40J 263Y.

Which, on a tangent sidebar, is kinda wild on DL's behalf.... seeing as that airline's 3class longhaul A359s seat more people.

Cray. :eek:

It's Singapore Airlines we're talking about. Their 77Ws are still 9-abreast in Y, 18" wide seats and a solid 32" pitch. Who does that? :crazy:

Delta, Korean, Air China (some), etc.
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:06 pm

smi0006 wrote:
I’m surprised the regional operation warranted two seperate fleet types considering the number of seats isn’t hugely different; 350 - 40J 263Y and 78J- 36J/301.


It's probably planning for future flexibility. If needed at some future date, the A350-900Rs can be reconfigured with higher operating weights to perform longer stage lengths.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:13 pm

Availability? They had 772 retirements and a bunch of short-term 333 leases to deal with, and given backlogs and the pace of 787-10 rampup, neither OEM by itself might have been able to deliver aircraft fast enough.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:11 pm

Unsurprisingly, SQ265/266 upgraded to A359 from 1 May 19. Brisbane all A350 now. Good product consistency from SQ and will also now make it easy for them to roster pilots and cabin crew.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... stination/
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:56 pm

Why is SQ so eager to get rid of the A333 - it sounds like the perfect regional aircraft for SQ and all other airlines are very happy with their A333s and keep them for 15-20 years...
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:08 am

CRJ900 wrote:
Why is SQ so eager to get rid of the A333 - it sounds like the perfect regional aircraft for SQ and all other airlines are very happy with their A333s and keep them for 15-20 years...


IIRC, SQ got the A330s on very good terms, but the terms are only good for a short while (given as compensation for A380 troubles?). After the lease terms worsen there's no motivation to keep them. SQ has been happy with the A333 (they ordered 15 more after the initial 19) but their need for them is only short-medium term.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:09 am

CRJ900 wrote:
Why is SQ so eager to get rid of the A333 - it sounds like the perfect regional aircraft for SQ and all other airlines are very happy with their A333s and keep them for 15-20 years...


They were leased and was always intended to be "bridge" solution until the second batch of A350 (in regional config) along with 78X starts to come in. A333s also has a great secondary market and is easy to disposed of.
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:09 am

Stitch wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
I’m surprised the regional operation warranted two seperate fleet types considering the number of seats isn’t hugely different; 350 - 40J 263Y and 78J- 36J/301.

It's probably planning for future flexibility. If needed at some future date, the A350-900Rs can be reconfigured with higher operating weights to perform longer stage lengths.

We're still waiting to find out whether a non-stop service out of Wellington is technically feasible for the SQ 359s... :biggrin:
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:24 am

ronmk1986 wrote:
DanielK wrote:
Stitch wrote:
I imagine the A350-900Rs they have on order (if not already taking delivery of). There are also the 787-10s coming into the fleet.

That was my first thought too, but I’ve been hearing rumours circle that B773 and B77W could be used too


If I am not mistaken, SQ is going to retire their classic B773 together with the A333s and the B772s. SQ's B77Ws have already been flying their high-demand short distance routes like CGK and HKG before they fly medium-haul or long-haul flights.

Not exactly. 333s will be returned to the lessor within the year and the early 777s will last a bit longer, as there's no firm date yet.
 
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Re: What Would Replace Singapore Airlines' A333 and B772 Routes

Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:16 am

oskarclare wrote:
Unsurprisingly, SQ265/266 upgraded to A359 from 1 May 19. Brisbane all A350 now. Good product consistency from SQ and will also now make it easy for them to roster pilots and cabin crew.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... stination/


Slight inconsistency in J product though as there are the "Regional J" which is on 3 of the 4 BNE-SIN flights and "Long-Haul J" which is only 1 of the 4 (SQ245/SQ246).
Previously 2 of the 4 BNE-SIN pairings had the long-haul J, whilst the other 2 had the mixture of regional 772/old long-haul sloped-flat J and regional A350 J.

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