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LRGT
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Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:12 am

AA only has a few MD-80's left in service, but tons parked in the desert.

What would it take to bring these back in service? Is it possible they would do it?

Since the retirement is very recent (and not even complete), I'm sure they have plenty of crew adequately trained on MD-80 to re-activate 24 of them to replace the 24 MAX's that are grounded. After all, didn't AA have over 400 MD-80's in their fleet at one time?!!

They could replace many 737-800 & A320 routes (under 4 hours) with MD-80's, freeing up some -800's and A320's to replace the MAX routes outside of the MD-80's range.
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:16 am

Its possible, but from my understanding many of the retired MD-80's were facing heavy maintenance, and so bringing them back would require that maintenance to be done before entering service, which would take probably a week or two minimum and I think AA is hoping the MAX will be back by the time they could get an MD-80 back on line.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:20 am

Inb4 that one dude who will scream at you with his copypasta
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:25 am

LRGT, did you consider the amount of training it would take to re-qualify pilots on the MD-80 aircraft that have already moved on and been trained on other aircraft in the American Airlines system?

If American only has a few MD-80s left in service, as you stated, why do you think there are still plenty of MD-80 crews current and qualified such that American could re-activate 24 MD-80 airframes?

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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:25 am

deleted. duplicate post.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:31 am

Not practical in terms of money nor time.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:33 am

LRGT wrote:
AA only has a few MD-80's left in service, but tons parked in the desert.



To put this in perspective, "tons" = 7, the number that AA either still owns or is awaiting lease expiration. The remainder have been sold or returned to lessor.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:37 am

I wouldn't hold my breath on the MAX's being back in a week or 2. Also, this debacle will likely delay future deliveries of new 737's for years to come.

A week or 2 in the shop is nothing! Sounds like a routine C-Check (every 2 years), which is not very costly (around $100,000 at AA I think), which is peanuts to have an aircraft that's good for 2 years. I think C-check maintenance only costs around $30 per flight hour!!

If it's a D-check, it will take longer than a week or 2, and cost around $500,000, but were all retired MD-80's in need of a D-check? A D-check is once every 8 years. With accelerated retirement, I highly doubt that all retired ships were due for a D-check at retirement.

I remember reading somewhere that AA mechanics are so good with the MD-80, that they got the cost and time to do heavy MX on an MD-80 down to about half the time and money other carriers spent.
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:38 am

Can AA reactivate the 727-200 to solve the MAX problems?

I really hope SW to load some 732 into Texas routes to free one or other 73G.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:44 am

ThalesCoelho wrote:
Can AA reactivate the 727-200 to solve the MAX problems?

I really hope SW to load some 732 into Texad routes to free one or other 73G.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Neither aircraft AA 727's or WN 732's owned by the airline anymore, and even if they were, they would all be due for D-checks by now.

Does WN have any 733's around that they still own and only need a C-check, no D-check to reactivate? I think they just retired the last 733 a year ago.

AA is still operating the MD-80, and has many that were recently retired. Plans were to have them all gone by Nov 2019, but I don't see that happening.
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:50 am

ThalesCoelho wrote:
Can AA reactivate the 727-200 to solve the MAX problems?

I really hope SW to load some 732 into Texas routes to free one or other 73G.


Why stop there? Let’s bring back the DC-10.....American can buy a few back from FedEx and start an F2P conversion program

Air Canada is bringing back A340s
Southwest is acquiring 737-200s & -300s

:rotfl:
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:54 am

Lrockeagle wrote:
Inb4 that one dude who will scream at you with his copypasta


Me too.

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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:01 am

AA has been running an MD-80 between SDF and DFW for the past few months, and the polished aluminum livery is just so beautiful. I'd be okay with them keeping it going for a bit longer.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:34 am

Wasn't there just a thread on this a week ago?


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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:38 am

This same silly thread came up a week ago and the answer is still the same - lack of current pilots, lack of suitable candidate airframes, mx involved and a number of other factors make this a non-starter. To think otherwise is a gross simplification of the logistical challenges involved in such an effort.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:40 am

727LOVER wrote:
Wasn't there just a thread on this a week ago?





viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1417877&p=21189543&hilit=aa+737+max#p21189543

Pretty much.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:50 am

e38 wrote:
LRGT, did you consider the amount of training it would take to re-qualify pilots on the MD-80 aircraft that have already moved on and been trained on other aircraft in the American Airlines system?

If American only has a few MD-80s left in service, as you stated, why do you think there are still plenty of MD-80 crews current and qualified such that American could re-activate 24 MD-80 airframes?

e38

I don’t get this “re-qualify” for pilots. It’s not like it’s been five years. You can be rated on more than one type at a time. And they have excess 73 pilots at the moment
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:53 am

LRGT wrote:
AA only has a few MD-80's left in service, but tons parked in the desert.

What would it take to bring these back in service? Is it possible they would do it?

Since the retirement is very recent (and not even complete), I'm sure they have plenty of crew adequately trained on MD-80 to re-activate 24 of them to replace the 24 MAX's that are grounded. After all, didn't AA have over 400 MD-80's in their fleet at one time?!!

They could replace many 737-800 & A320 routes (under 4 hours) with MD-80's, freeing up some -800's and A320's to replace the MAX routes outside of the MD-80's range.


Let's just make this simple.


No.
 
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:22 am

Oh my goodness can we please drop it already? I love the MD80 but it’s not coming back.

For crew, MX, parts, and operational reasons it’s not coming back. End thread.
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:25 am

Lrockeagle wrote:
e38 wrote:
LRGT, did you consider the amount of training it would take to re-qualify pilots on the MD-80 aircraft that have already moved on and been trained on other aircraft in the American Airlines system?

If American only has a few MD-80s left in service, as you stated, why do you think there are still plenty of MD-80 crews current and qualified such that American could re-activate 24 MD-80 airframes?

e38

I don’t get this “re-qualify” for pilots. It’s not like it’s been five years. You can be rated on more than one type at a time. And they have excess 73 pilots at the moment


You don't just pick our pilots to send to MD-80 school and they pop out on the line when they're done.


The company must issue a vacancy bid for the MD-80 (takes weeks). All pilots in the company get to bid for the vacancy. The ones that win it get assigned training dates. If they are coming from a different airplane (all of them, except md-80 FO's upgrading to CA) go to unqualified training, which is about 2.5 months.

It would take a long time.
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Re: Can AA Reactivate MD-80's to fill in for MAX8's?

Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:26 am

I think the better question would be how much longer will the MAX situation force AA to keep its few remaining Mad Dogs soldiering onwards? Probably as long as there are spare parts, maintenance and enough crews to keep them going, but as others have said many were approaching checks, so... Probably a few weeks or months longer but not much more, I would think, and that's assuming that there aren't enough 737 NGs in the fleet to pick up the slack. It would be great to hear from an AA person in the know.

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