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Re: China will stop granting new 737 Max 8 airworthiness certificate

Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:04 am

DDR wrote:
scbriml wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Must be "right now". He's too lazy to use capital letters, apostrophes, and commas, typing whole words is just too much...


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Re: China will stop granting new 737 Max 8 airworthiness certificate

Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:57 pm

zeke wrote:
burnsie28 wrote:
Never mind the fact that when some of the Chinese pilots come over to the US for flight training they already know the type of plane they will fly once they go back home, yet they have up to this point never flown a plane before they started flying. Their pilots have hardly any time in a real plane before they start flying pax.


It is very common outside of the US to have pilots go straight from flight school to flying passengers on airliners.

Lufthansa has a large school in the US doing the same https://lufthansa-aviation-training-usa.com/#gref

It is not the number of hours a pilot does that matters in the early days, it all comes down to the quality and consistency of training.


Well the Chinese students often only got up to the equivalent of a Private Pilots license, maybe some instrument when they headed back home. I guess that's what I meant as even in the US you can go right from flight school and get hired as long as you have the minimum amount of hours and pass all the tests.
 
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Re: China will stop granting new 737 Max 8 airworthiness certificate

Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:06 pm

No CAAC would require them to have a CPL and multi engine instrument rating. It does not convert PPLs for professional licences.
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Re: China will stop granting new 737 Max 8 airworthiness certificate

Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:38 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
The FAA aloud Boeing to design a safety system with one point of failure with catastrophic results. The main aim of the 737MAX certification was preserving the common type certificate, with complete disregard for the safety of that frame. The main aim for preserving that common type certificate, was to minimize cost of pilot difference training between NG and MAX. Cost considerations beating out safety considerations during the design of the MAX.
IMO one wonders what else will raise its ugly head when the whole 737MAX certification process gets checked.

The whole 737MAX certification will be scrutinized by every agency outside the USA. I would not be astonished if one, the 2 sensor solution for MCAS will not be accepted by other regulators, with the 3 sensor solution and physical changes becoming the only acceptable solution and two, other points in the certification bringing more changes.


You had a good point right up to the “complete disregard for safety” comment.
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Re: China will stop granting new 737 Max 8 airworthiness certificate

Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:01 pm

DL717 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
The FAA aloud Boeing to design a safety system with one point of failure with catastrophic results. The main aim of the 737MAX certification was preserving the common type certificate, with complete disregard for the safety of that frame. The main aim for preserving that common type certificate, was to minimize cost of pilot difference training between NG and MAX. Cost considerations beating out safety considerations during the design of the MAX.
IMO one wonders what else will raise its ugly head when the whole 737MAX certification process gets checked.

The whole 737MAX certification will be scrutinized by every agency outside the USA. I would not be astonished if one, the 2 sensor solution for MCAS will not be accepted by other regulators, with the 3 sensor solution and physical changes becoming the only acceptable solution and two, other points in the certification bringing more changes.


You had a good point right up to the “complete disregard for safety” comment.


It was a complete disregard for safety. what else would you call it?
 
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Re: China will stop granting new 737 Max 8 airworthiness certificate

Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:20 pm

tphuang wrote:
It never fails to amaze me how people are willing to consider every agency or airline not in Western world to be incapable or doing things for political reasons. China's safety record since it started flying Airbus and Boeing for most of the domestic fleet has been very good, but obviously it's going to get attacked for being conservative.

People's stereotypes and I would say racist views here are plain to be seen.


I absolutely agree. This forum harbors and allows the most horrid of subtle racism, and some not so subtle. Unfortunately, you also have a forum (not unlike others) where many people are incredibly uninformed, have never worked for an airline (outside of ramp, csr, res duties) yet think they truly know what happens in HQ. Now many are overnight safety experts infusing the issue with their American superiority and hmmmm subtle racism.

American aviation is pretty solid and leads the world along with Europe (Historically) but many other countries are capable.
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Re: China will stop granting new 737 Max 8 airworthiness certificate

Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:16 pm

Oh great, here come the allegations of racism from a group of individuals simply because opposing viewpoints do not match theirs. Once again showing how a particular segment of the population uses racism to advance their agenda.
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