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Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:17 am

I noticed on flightaware that N365FE was flown to Victorville, CA Friday afternoon. Was this his last flight? A nostalgic history exists for this good old boy, built by Douglas in 1971!
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:28 pm

Probably so. Gosh, a site said it was line number six. It has been plying the skies for a long time.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:37 pm

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Probably so. Gosh, a site said it was line number six. It has been plying the skies for a long time.


Yep, Joey really did his part. Just shy of half a century of continuous operation.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:47 pm

There it is, along with N103AA on that end of July 1971 day. In service with UA between July 1971 and January 1995, then with FedEx between October 1998 and March 2019. It was number 6 on the production line.

https://secure.boeingimages.com/archive ... RSXLJLJB9H
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:46 pm

Ok, I'll bite: why is it named Joey?
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:42 am

Veigar wrote:
Yep, Joey really did his part. Just shy of half a century of continuous operation.


Not really since it was either parked or being converted between January 1995 and October 1998. That's still a good 45 years of service to carry bums in seats or stuff in boxes. I'm curious to learn how many hours and cycles did it clock over the years.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:55 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Yep, Joey really did his part. Just shy of half a century of continuous operation.


Not really since it was either parked or being converted between January 1995 and October 1998. That's still a good 45 years of service to carry bums in seats or stuff in boxes. I'm curious to learn how many hours and cycles did it clock over the years.

As of right in the middle of the Christmas rush last December: 91101 hours, 39156 cycles.
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:03 pm

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Ok, I'll bite: why is it named Joey?


FedEx names all its planes after children of employees. So probably some employees ''kid'' is named Joey, but because the name was chosen in 1997 he isn't a kid anymore.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:47 pm

Where is the “like” button?
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:39 pm

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As of right in the middle of the Christmas rush last December: 91101 hours, 39156 cycles.


Thanks for that. Quite many hours for an aircraft that only served domestic routes, and only a few hours every day in twenty years.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:46 pm

I was in Amarillo on business in '97-'98 overseeing our planes being painted when FedEx started pulling the AA DC-10s out of storage there to start the MD-10 project. I wonder what tail numbers those were.?
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:23 pm

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I was in Amarillo on business in '97-'98 overseeing our planes being painted when FedEx started pulling the AA DC-10s out of storage there to start the MD-10 project. I wonder what tail numbers those were.?


Have a look in here and check those that were transferred to Hawaiian too.

https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... s=historic
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:26 pm

ScroogeMcDuck wrote:
Ok, I'll bite: why is it named Joey?


And does he like movies about gladiators?
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:43 am

Alright, which museum wants it? Better not have the same fate as C-GAUN.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:53 am

Nearly 40,000 is a huge number of cycles for a widebody. It's not too far off the final numbers of the domestic 777s and 767s that spent their whole careers flying 1- and 2-hour flights for the Japanese airlines.

This aircraft certainly paid back the original investment for its owners. Time for a well-deserved retirement.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:59 am

hOMSaR wrote:
ScroogeMcDuck wrote:
Ok, I'll bite: why is it named Joey?


And does he like movies about gladiators?


Wonder if he's ever been to a Turkish prison.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:10 am

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/Kk6Ofdko

Retired 29 March at 48.1 years old. Wow.
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:30 am

Too bad a "well deserved retirement" for these machines is getting broken up and turned into beer cans. So much for that.....
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:48 am

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Too bad a "well deserved retirement" for these machines is getting broken up and turned into beer cans. So much for that.....


As opposed to burying civilization under an ever-growing pile of sentimental machines? #6 off the line?

This is a machine. It does not have a wife or a daughter or grandkids. It has no hobbies or interests. It won't play golf or bake cookies or bridge with friends. It is dead because it was never alive. Soda cans and beer cans also serve a useful purposes.

What is important here is the story of this aircraft. The people who dreamed of her and built her and flew her and on her. An airplane is a story about people.
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:05 am

DocLightning wrote:
B764er wrote:
Too bad a "well deserved retirement" for these machines is getting broken up and turned into beer cans. So much for that.....


As opposed to burying civilization under an ever-growing pile of sentimental machines? #6 off the line?

This is a machine. It does not have a wife or a daughter or grandkids. It has no hobbies or interests. It won't play golf or bake cookies or bridge with friends. It is dead because it was never alive. Soda cans and beer cans also serve a useful purposes.

What is important here is the story of this aircraft. The people who dreamed of her and built her and flew her and on her. An airplane is a story about people.


In a way these planes are more than machines. They have history to them. They have character. Imagine all the places this MD-10 has been over its life. To the people who flew it, worked on it, loaded it, or even just watched it soar into the sky, this plane is more than a flying piece of aluminum. I get it. Number 6 really isn't that special. However, as someone who has grown up seeing these beautiful planes land and takeoff every day at MEM for the past 2+ decades, a small piece of me dies with every MD-10 sent to the boneyard. I'd love to see at least one of Fedex's MD-10s go to a museum.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:34 am

Spacepope wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Yep, Joey really did his part. Just shy of half a century of continuous operation.


Not really since it was either parked or being converted between January 1995 and October 1998. That's still a good 45 years of service to carry bums in seats or stuff in boxes. I'm curious to learn how many hours and cycles did it clock over the years.

As of right in the middle of the Christmas rush last December: 91101 hours, 39156 cycles.


Well the LOV on the MD10-10F (which this was) is going to be 42,000 FC, so she was close but not there yet.

Interestingly, on the -30F it's only 30,000 FC. Oddly, the DC10-10F is 30,000 FC, whereas the the DC10-10 (passenger) is 42,000 FC as is the MD10-10F.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:24 am

I know FX donated a number of 727s to A&P schools around the country after they were pulled from service. An MD-10 might be a little much for such a program, but a plane that was cared for well enough to fly for almost 50 years in service would certainly be a great teaching tool!
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:16 am

wjcandee wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:

Not really since it was either parked or being converted between January 1995 and October 1998. That's still a good 45 years of service to carry bums in seats or stuff in boxes. I'm curious to learn how many hours and cycles did it clock over the years.

As of right in the middle of the Christmas rush last December: 91101 hours, 39156 cycles.


Well the LOV on the MD10-10F (which this was) is going to be 42,000 FC, so she was close but not there yet.

Interestingly, on the -30F it's only 30,000 FC. Oddly, the DC10-10F is 30,000 FC, whereas the the DC10-10 (passenger) is 42,000 FC as is the MD10-10F.


The default LOV of the MD10-10F is 42.000 cycles. The extended LOV is 60.000 cycles

Several MD10-30F aircraft will (or have already) passed the default LOV of 30.000 cycles. The extended LOV is also 60.000 cycles.

Example MD-10-30F, N303FE, at 4/26/2018 : 93892 hours and 30673 cycles

The utilisation of these Fedex parcel carrying freighter aircraft is very low, compared to scheduled general cargo freighter operators.
Example : MD10-30F, N306FE , built new for Fedex, delivery date 1/24/1986, at 10-31-2017 : 71213 hours and 23961 cycles (age at 10-31-2017 31.75 years)

Average flight hours/year : 2241 , average cycles/year 755
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:05 am

Too bad UA doesn’t have a museum. How many UA DC-10s does FX still have flying?
 
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:14 am

747classic wrote:
The utilisation of these Fedex parcel carrying freighter aircraft is very low, compared to scheduled general cargo freighter operators.
Example : MD10-30F, N306FE , built new for Fedex, delivery date 1/24/1986, at 10-31-2017 : 71213 hours and 23961 cycles (age at 10-31-2017 31.75 years)


That's right and these numbers show it, but it's still surprising to me that their DC-10-30F doesn't have higher hours since it was used on long-haul flights before the arrival of the MD-11Fs.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:57 am

UA444 wrote:
Too bad UA doesn’t have a museum. How many UA DC-10s does FX still have flying?


Per the Planespotters website, there appears to be 12 ex-UA DC10s still in service for FX (N18xxU):

N357FE (N1849U; originally WA/DL N906WA)
N358FE (N1839U)
N359FE (N1842U)
N360FE (N1843U)
N363FE (N1847U)
N368FE (N1807U)
N375FE (N1814U)
N381FE (N1816U)
N383FE (N1817U)
N390FE (N1825U)
N394FE (N1829U)
N396FE (N1831U)

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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:01 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
EMBQA wrote:
I was in Amarillo on business in '97-'98 overseeing our planes being painted when FedEx started pulling the AA DC-10s out of storage there to start the MD-10 project. I wonder what tail numbers those were.?




These were NOT going back into passenger service. They were totally gutted with no interior period.You could stand at the rear pressure bulkhead and look out the cockpit window. I wish I had taken pictures.
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:44 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
UA444 wrote:
Too bad UA doesn’t have a museum. How many UA DC-10s does FX still have flying?


Per the Planespotters website, there appears to be 12 ex-UA DC10s still in service for FX (N18xxU):

N357FE (N1849U; originally WA/DL N906WA) 96691/33212 (looks like it had a heavy check 5/2018)
N358FE (N1839U) 89261/31685
N359FE (N1842U) 86256/30883
N360FE (N1843U) 86089/31014 (looks to have heavy check 9/2018)
N363FE (N1847U) 83208/32163
N368FE (N1807U) 88765/37913
N375FE (N1814U) 96207/41019
N381FE (N1816U) 96466/40808 (still flying? No SDR entry in almost 2 years)
N383FE (N1817U) 97074/41011
N390FE (N1825U) 92874/39544
N394FE (N1829U) 96027/36966
N396FE (N1831U) 88611/37586

SOURCE: https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... us=current


I went ahead and looked up the most recent hours/cycles for each as provided to the FAA SDR page.

MD-10-10 useage will be interesting as FedEx are the only user of that type, and therefore the only user of the "oddball" CF-6-6 engine too, so that may eventually become the limiting factor.
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:14 pm

I always kept an eye out for Joey. I was hoping it would make 50. What an incredible lifespan for that aircraft. Crazy amount of cycles. Fewer hours that I would have expected though, even with it hauling boxes for almost half its life. It's a shame it didn't fly right to a museum. It's a special piece of history.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:10 pm

Must be something about the nickname Joey, this one lasted 39 years........flew on G-JOEY between JER & GCI serveral times in the early 90's :)

https://www.aurigny.com/news/post/joey- ... y-new-home

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe ... y-33306732
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:58 pm

To bad to see it go to the scrapper, what an amazing plane.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:32 am

Looks like the next couple of 767s will need to replace 375 and 383.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:52 am

Spacepope wrote:
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N381FE is indeed still in service, currently at IND for B-check and will be back in the air in about a week.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:45 pm

HPRamper wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
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N381FE is indeed still in service, currently at IND for B-check and will be back in the air in about a week.


Thanks for that! Happy to see it's been giving trouble-free service recently. Sometimes older airframes are like puppies: When you don't hear anything from them for a while, the alarm bells go off.

So add another 1500-2000 hours to that total from 2017?
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:22 pm

Was that a dc10 and what does n365fe mean?
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:24 pm

I have no Idea what Doclightning does for a living, but if you spend enough time in this business...You work the same airplanes every day, you DO form a sort of bond with them....Yeah, it's JUST a machine, we get that....but in their own way, they do have personalities...
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:22 pm

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Was that a dc10 and what does n365fe mean?


It was a MD-10. However it was built as a DC-10 with a three men cockpit. It went through a coclpit convervion for a crew of two and for that matter was renamed MD-10.

N365FE is the registration as you can find on cars, trucks and buses, but not on a plate. N means it's a U.S. registered aircraft. 365 is usually the numbering that distinguish an aircraft in a fleet of a certain type with an airline. In this case it's the MD-10 fleet of FedEx. In the U.S. a registration is usually made of a N followed by five numbers and letters. Here, you have N365FE a MD-10 that was built and delivered to United Airlines as a DC-10 and registered N1802U. On the other hand, FedEx acquired several former COntinental DC-10-10CFs during the mid-1980s. They were originally registered, and FedEx kept it that way, N68049 up to N68056.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:24 am

The next question : Why are already six (all PW powered !) Fedex MD11F aircraft retired BEFORE the previous generation MD10-10/30 aircraft. (by mistake I also asked this question in the UPS 744 thread)

Retired Fedex MD11F aircraft :

N521FE, retired Feb 2019
N524FE, retired Sept 2014
N527FE, retired Jan 2015
N580FE, retired May 2015
N644FE, retired Nov 2014
N645FE, retired May 2015
All aircraft are stored at VCV.

Also three Fedex MD11F have been written off :
N526 FE, crashed NRT (bounced landing + gear collaps and flip over)
N581FE, overran runway SFS during landing
N611FE, crashed EWR (bounced landing + gear collaps and flip over)

Four MD11F aircraft (all PW powered) are bought for spare parts : N68089, N68091 (both ex Martinair) and N68092, N68093 (both ex. World Airways)
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Re: Was this Joey's last flight?

Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:46 pm

747classic wrote:
Oddly, the DC10-10F is 30,000 FC, whereas the the DC10-10 (passenger) is 42,000 FC as is the MD10-10F.


747classic wrote:
Example MD-10-30F, N303FE, at 4/26/2018 : 93892 hours and 30673 cycles


So I'll file these under New Things Learned Today.... I didn't know that ten DC-10s were actually made as new-build freighters -- I honestly thought that started with the MD-11s.

In any case, some interesting things about these. Doors. Specifically, that they have the Cutouts/Plugs for all eight exits, with the L1 & R1 remaining activated. I fully understand the need to leave plugs in on conversions; it's more or less never worth it to add the certification costs to an STC covering the conversion where these are concerned.

Maybe you know this. . .

But for a new build? Of all the hundreds of design modifications a dedicated -F requires, why didn't they delete the aft six exit plugs? Was it a structural thing? Or maybe to keep the design as common (for cost purposes) as the KC series?

These items are almost universally discarded for new build freighters. I know there are exceptions, like the 747's SCD, but I just thought it was really interesting that they left these in for the -10-30Fs.
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I have no Idea what Doclightning does for a living, but if you spend enough time in this business...You work the same airplanes every day, you DO form a sort of bond with them....Yeah, it's JUST a machine, we get that....but in their own way, they do have personalities...

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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:49 am

747classic wrote:
The next question : Why are already six (all PW powered !) Fedex MD11F aircraft retired BEFORE the previous generation MD10-10/30 aircraft. (by mistake I also asked this question in the UPS 744 thread)

Retired Fedex MD11F aircraft :

N521FE, retired Feb 2019
N524FE, retired Sept 2014
N527FE, retired Jan 2015
N580FE, retired May 2015
N644FE, retired Nov 2014
N645FE, retired May 2015
All aircraft are stored at VCV.

Also three Fedex MD11F have been written off :
N526 FE, crashed NRT (bounced landing + gear collaps and flip over)
N581FE, overran runway SFS during landing
N611FE, crashed EWR (bounced landing + gear collaps and flip over)

Four MD11F aircraft (all PW powered) are bought for spare parts : N68089, N68091 (both ex Martinair) and N68092, N68093 (both ex. World Airways)


Perhaps this is your answer. Not necessarily technical reasons but costs.
 
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:48 am

Revelation wrote:
ordpark wrote:
I have no Idea what Doclightning does for a living, but if you spend enough time in this business...You work the same airplanes every day, you DO form a sort of bond with them....Yeah, it's JUST a machine, we get that....but in their own way, they do have personalities...

Doc really is a Doc, he works on human beings every day.


That was an excellent reply.
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Re: Was this Joey's (N365FE) last flight?

Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:39 pm

barney captain wrote:
Revelation wrote:
ordpark wrote:
I have no Idea what Doclightning does for a living, but if you spend enough time in this business...You work the same airplanes every day, you DO form a sort of bond with them....Yeah, it's JUST a machine, we get that....but in their own way, they do have personalities...

Doc really is a Doc, he works on human beings every day.


That was an excellent reply.


So was this one:

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Was that a dc10 and what does n365fe mean?


It was a MD-10. However it was built as a DC-10 with a three men cockpit. It went through a coclpit convervion for a crew of two and for that matter was renamed MD-10.

N365FE is the registration as you can find on cars, trucks and buses, but not on a plate. N means it's a U.S. registered aircraft. 365 is usually the numbering that distinguish an aircraft in a fleet of a certain type with an airline. In this case it's the MD-10 fleet of FedEx. In the U.S. a registration is usually made of a N followed by five numbers and letters. Here, you have N365FE a MD-10 that was built and delivered to United Airlines as a DC-10 and registered N1802U. On the other hand, FedEx acquired several former COntinental DC-10-10CFs during the mid-1980s. They were originally registered, and FedEx kept it that way, N68049 up to N68056.


Well done Spaceship. I was unfortunately expecting a "snarky" reply from one of "them". It was refreshing to see a true A.netter answering a question from someone who is learning more about the aviation world.

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Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos