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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:14 pm

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Here is a comparison of BLR's international traffic growth for Oct-Dec quarter for years '18 and '17. It appears most growth came from regional tourism mainly Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand. AI's LHR traffic was the only exception. 9W AMS also had a boost, but now it is gone.


And HYD had direct non stop connections to airports across the world. Oh wait..
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:32 am

Here is international traffic data posted by airport authorities for the period between April'18 to March'19. Gives a better picture.

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:18 am

Problems with Air India led to delays.. servers down for 5 hours...

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/air-ind ... -a-2029326
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:57 am

unnayan wrote:
Problems with Air India led to delays.. servers down for 5 hours...

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/air-ind ... -a-2029326


Couple of posts on their FB page https://www.facebook.com/AirIndia/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:34 am

AAI Stats-Mar-2019


Total (Intl+Domestic) passengers:

1. DELHI 5481013
2. MUMBAI 3571822
3. BANGALORE 2843363
4. KOLKATA 1885461
5. HYDERABAD 1837899
6. CHENNAI 1719693

Quite ugly for Mumbai, Jet's fall in March has impacted BOM the most. BLR is stone throws from BOM, considering they continue robust growth despite Jet saga
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:24 am

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:29 am

As expected, SpiceJet will start pointless flights (lasting 6 months) where no competition exists:
SpiceJet to start daily flights on Mumbai-Durgapur route from June 25

Had highlighted this issue of SG a while back on the old Jet development thread now locked, as below :

avier wrote:
SG would do the least justice if served the left over slots at BOM/DEL. They'll probably launch BOM to Jharsuguda or Kishangarh, because no one flies that route, and probably drop 6 months later to fly a similar such route. They won't touch routes with market leader serving on it.

As much as I don't want them to get more prime slots; 6E would actually do a great job in filling up the vacuum. That's exactly what they did when KF/Deccan when bust. Route by route they started flights vacated by the defunct airline, and restored capacity on viable routes.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:14 am

sibibom wrote:
AAI Stats-Mar-2019


Total (Intl+Domestic) passengers:

1. DELHI 5481013
2. MUMBAI 3571822
3. BANGALORE 2843363
4. KOLKATA 1885461
5. HYDERABAD 1837899
6. CHENNAI 1719693

Quite ugly for Mumbai, Jet's fall in March has impacted BOM the most. BLR is stone throws from BOM, considering they continue robust growth despite Jet saga

Only for a few months. Capacity vacated by Jet will be taken up by other carriers soon enough.
avier wrote:
As expected, SpiceJet will start pointless flights (lasting 6 months) where no competition exists:
SpiceJet to start daily flights on Mumbai-Durgapur route from June 25


Why are they pointless flights? SpiceJet sees more yield in operating this route than yet another pointless BOM-DEL milk run
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:04 am

unrave wrote:
avier wrote:
As expected, SpiceJet will start pointless flights (lasting 6 months) where no competition exists:
SpiceJet to start daily flights on Mumbai-Durgapur route from June 25

Why are they pointless flights? SpiceJet sees more yield in operating this route than yet another pointless BOM-DEL milk run


Well, it becomes pointless if they just plan to fly it for just six months or so. If they stick to it, good. They have a history of doing this.
Airlines don't fly BOM-DEL for six months and drop it, so it's definitely not pointless. It's where the market, traffic and yield is.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:27 am

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Well, it becomes pointless if they just plan to fly it for just six months or so. If they stick to it, good. They have a history of doing this.
Airlines don't fly BOM-DEL for six months and drop it, so it's definitely not pointless. It's where the market, traffic and yield is.

For several quarters now SG has had more yield and RASK than 6E/G8/I5 by focussing on these Tier 2 markets than BOM/DEL.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:28 am

unrave wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Here is a comparison of BLR's international traffic growth for Oct-Dec quarter for years '18 and '17. It appears most growth came from regional tourism mainly Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand. AI's LHR traffic was the only exception. 9W AMS also had a boost, but now it is gone.


And HYD had direct non stop connections to airports across the world. Oh wait..


HYD is just HYPE, nothing else.. just talk. Its not even a HUB of any sort, poor route development happening at the airport aswell. Majority of the growth is only to the Gelf. What is 1% growth? Poor. No airlines even think of HYD when they plan to launch new routes (Intl carries, other than GCC).
1st is either DEL/BOM and then comes Bangalore. Also btw thse SEAsia numbers also include pax heading to AUS/US/Bali/Japan. AUS market iself is growing at 10-11% YoY from Bengaluru, whereas HYD is no competiton. SYD/PER airports have been in talks with BOM/BLR airports.. HYD was not even considered! There are several such examples..... HYD is just a HYPE created, nothing else. Esp when it comes to route development.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:36 am

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For several quarters now SG has had more yield and RASK than 6E/G8/I5 by focussing on these Tier 2 markets than BOM/DEL.


Well, one has to watch now how long that lasts i.e higher yield/RASK than competitors. For the short term that might help them, but for the long term I'm sceptical.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:50 am

sibibom wrote:
AAI Stats-Mar-2019


Total (Intl+Domestic) passengers:

1. DELHI 5481013
2. MUMBAI 3571822
3. BANGALORE 2843363
4. KOLKATA 1885461
5. HYDERABAD 1837899
6. CHENNAI 1719693


Look at Chennai! Once considered as a "Hub" in the south, the growth is just not there. Once a competition to BLR, now the difference is of more than 1.1 million per month btw the 2 cities. Whos at 7th? AMD? COK?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:57 am

unrave wrote:
avier wrote:

Well, it becomes pointless if they just plan to fly it for just six months or so. If they stick to it, good. They have a history of doing this.
Airlines don't fly BOM-DEL for six months and drop it, so it's definitely not pointless. It's where the market, traffic and yield is.

For several quarters now SG has had more yield and RASK than 6E/G8/I5 by focussing on these Tier 2 markets than BOM/DEL.


Presence of a high volume of regional aircraft tends to skew the RASK numbers upwards. CASK is also, obviously skewed accordingly. Yield independently never shows the full picture, its always RASK
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:00 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
Here is international traffic data posted by airport authorities for the period between April'18 to March'19. Gives a better picture.

Image


would be more interested in domestic passenger growth. And I do see Pune is nowhere mentioned :(
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:25 am

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Presence of a high volume of regional aircraft tends to skew the RASK numbers upwards. CASK is also, obviously skewed accordingly. Yield independently never shows the full picture, its always RASK

I don't know what your first statement means, but reg RASK, SG has had RASK figures approaching FSC levels. In one of the quarters its RASK was even higher than that of Jet Airways
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:03 pm

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would be more interested in domestic passenger growth. And I do see Pune is nowhere mentioned :(


AAI has dom, int, dom+int for all 130 airports. I just posted a snapshot. Pune is under customs airports.

BLR as if there is not enough publicity, hired a German data analysis company, good news for data analysts. Expect more meaningless data points on social media.

Here are a few fun facts. about India's international traffic numbers (all in millions)
Delhi 18.7
Mumbai 14.4
Chennai 5.9
Bangalore 4.4
Hyderabad 3.9

So the 4.4MM airport is going to beat 14.4 and 18.7 guys very soon. But 3.9MM airport is irrelevant.

I think BIAL/KIAL is panicking because they are spending 13,000 crores at a time either traffic is already peaked or going to be flat for a long time. With 6E being dominant power no other airline will contemplate fight to create their own hub. 13,000 Crores is a lot of debt.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:16 pm

sand26391 wrote:
unrave wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Here is a comparison of BLR's international traffic growth for Oct-Dec quarter for years '18 and '17. It appears most growth came from regional tourism mainly Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand. AI's LHR traffic was the only exception. 9W AMS also had a boost, but now it is gone.


And HYD had direct non stop connections to airports across the world. Oh wait..


HYD is just HYPE, nothing else.. just talk. Its not even a HUB of any sort, poor route development happening at the airport aswell. Majority of the growth is only to the Gelf. What is 1% growth? Poor. No airlines even think of HYD when they plan to launch new routes (Intl carries, other than GCC).
1st is either DEL/BOM and then comes Bangalore. Also btw thse SEAsia numbers also include pax heading to AUS/US/Bali/Japan. AUS market iself is growing at 10-11% YoY from Bengaluru, whereas HYD is no competiton. SYD/PER airports have been in talks with BOM/BLR airports.. HYD was not even considered! There are several such examples..... HYD is just a HYPE created, nothing else. Esp when it comes to route development.

sand26391 wrote:
sibibom wrote:
AAI Stats-Mar-2019


Total (Intl+Domestic) passengers:

1. DELHI 5481013
2. MUMBAI 3571822
3. BANGALORE 2843363
4. KOLKATA 1885461
5. HYDERABAD 1837899
6. CHENNAI 1719693


Look at Chennai! Once considered as a "Hub" in the south, the growth is just not there. Once a competition to BLR, now the difference is of more than 1.1 million per month btw the 2 cities. Whos at 7th? AMD? COK?

@sand26391: Based on these two posts, what is your conclusion re: which southern city out of HYD and MAA is dropping out of the growth race faster?

Once again, HYD’s privatisation is an opportunity missed. Why privatise at all when you are not going to have any significant international growth?
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:28 pm

Question is was there ever a race, Chennai has 1.5 Million more international pax than Bangalore, and everyone seems to have written it off as an airport. Ironic.

Hyderabad never said it wants to be a hub.

This is just distortion when one airport sends out too many SMWs.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:38 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Question is was there ever a race, Chennai has 1.5 Million more international pax than Bangalore, and everyone seems to have written it off as an airport. Ironic.

Hyderabad never said it wants to be a hub.

This is just distortion when one airport sends out too many SMWs.

All the big traffic is domestic. 6E is the biggest A320neo operator in the world, yet they fly only domestically, with the exceptions of BLR-HKG and MAA-KWI. 6E has turned BLR into a big domestic hub. All the domestic traffic passing through BLR more than overpowers the international traffic. MAA may have more international traffic but its low domestic traffic is seeing it slip behind HYD and CCU.

As for HYD, I do not know why it is unable to expand its routes despite having leapfrogged MAA in the domestic traffic.
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:42 pm

Why do the adults here keep forgetting airports are just a means for people to get from destination A to destination B with there being no competitive intent between A and B?

Phewwww if anything we should be talking about how miserable the wages of airport workers at any airport in India are.
If any airport is able to increase the salaries, they would be true winners in my eyes.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:49 pm

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All the big traffic is domestic. 6E is the biggest A320neo operator in the world, yet they fly only domestically, with the exceptions of BLR-HKG and MAA-KWI. 6E has turned BLR into a big domestic hub. All the domestic traffic passing through BLR more than overpowers the international traffic. MAA may have more international traffic but its low domestic traffic is seeing it slip behind HYD and CCU.

As for HYD, I do not know why it is unable to expand its routes despite having leapfrogged MAA in the domestic traffic.


Let's not forget MAA is already capacity constrained. Not sure if it's runway or bays or terminal constrainted or all.
MAA & CCU both really need to expand by way of new airports or growing the existing facility to tap into the growth. I don't see why these two airports can't match the growth rate of say the top three airports by %.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:13 pm

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As for HYD, I do not know why it is unable to expand its routes despite having leapfrogged MAA in the domestic traffic.


A lot of issues.

2008 it was BASA issue. KL opted for DEL/BOM. For LH HYD is a cargo destination. LH also had union issues so it consolidated pax traffic at BLR by up-gauging to 748i.

2009-2014 State bifurcation issues. A lot of agitations and the economy didn't grow fast enough.

Post-2014 Political uncertainty for GMR. GMR (an Andhra entrepreneur) was not sure they will be allowed to grow in Telangana. Telangana CM kept saying he will build another airport. GMR was hesitant to invest.

Present day - The core issue. 85% of Hyderabad's IT professional are of Andhra origin. That makes VGA a potential competitor for US traffic on top of DXB/DEL/BOM/BLR. VGA-DEL/BOM/BLR is an alternative for them.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:32 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Question is was there ever a race, Chennai has 1.5 Million more international pax than Bangalore, and everyone seems to have written it off as an airport. Ironic.

Hyderabad never said it wants to be a hub.

This is just distortion when one airport sends out too many SMWs.


Chennai is capacity constrained and has little room to grow beyond ~35m. BLR will have more px than BOM in 5 years.
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:40 pm

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Why do the adults here keep forgetting airports are just a means for people to get from destination A to destination B with there being no competitive intent between A and B?

Are you saying there is no competition between DXB/AUH/DOH? Or between SIN/KUL? In fact SIN considers every airport within a 5 hour flying distance as a competitor.
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:45 pm

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VTCIE wrote:
All the big traffic is domestic. 6E is the biggest A320neo operator in the world, yet they fly only domestically, with the exceptions of BLR-HKG and MAA-KWI. 6E has turned BLR into a big domestic hub. All the domestic traffic passing through BLR more than overpowers the international traffic. MAA may have more international traffic but its low domestic traffic is seeing it slip behind HYD and CCU.

As for HYD, I do not know why it is unable to expand its routes despite having leapfrogged MAA in the domestic traffic.


Let's not forget MAA is already capacity constrained. Not sure if it's runway or bays or terminal constrainted or all.
MAA & CCU both really need to expand by way of new airports or growing the existing facility to tap into the growth. I don't see why these two airports can't match the growth rate of say the top three airports by %.

How did NH get the NRT-MAA route then? Surely that was not because of capacity constraints. Rather it was to create a South India-Japan market out of nowhere. I think this route will be a big money-spinner for NH.

Of course, with the number of San Francisqueños and Bengalureans in this thread, the JAL BLR-NRT flight with the SFO connection will overshadow any sort of NH NRT-MAA discussion. ;)
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:12 pm

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How did NH get the NRT-MAA route then? Surely that was not because of capacity constraints. Rather it was to create a South India-Japan market out of nowhere. I think this route will be a big money-spinner for NH.

Of course, with the number of San Francisqueños and Bengalureans in this thread, the JAL BLR-NRT flight with the SFO connection will overshadow any sort of NH NRT-MAA discussion. ;)


Read about Sri City Industrial park, 30 miles from Chennai. It is a booming industrial town with several Japanese companies. NH MAA-NRT will do much better than JAL BLR-NRT if both are counting on the same business.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:29 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Question is was there ever a race, Chennai has 1.5 Million more international pax than Bangalore, and everyone seems to have written it off as an airport. Ironic.

Hyderabad never said it wants to be a hub.

This is just distortion when one airport sends out too many SMWs.


SMWs ? NVM just got it SMW = Social Media Warrior.
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:33 pm

It will, because the number of pax traveling on the sector is waaay higher than MAA-SFO. If you want to talk abt Sri Lanka, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore O&D traffic then MAA is a clear winner. Not many ppl know what goes on at the back-end & thats where I try to post some stats/information about BLR.

Ofcourse 6E has some great plans for the next 12 months from the city. 6E's HKG route for example has been doing well, garnering around 85-95% loads in past 40 days wity msny connecting pax from MAA/COK/HYD/CJB/BOM among a few. some of the members here already know the 6E plans from the city ;)
Remember when MAA guys used to say BLR will never overtake them in passenger traffic?? Well.... to be honest MAA is no more of any competition & HYD never was.

NRT-MAA & BLR-MAA talks have been going on for years but the main issue was not slot constraints but bilaterals. Similarly since AUS & India have open skies agreement (which was signed around 1 or 2 years back) airports like PER/SYD/MEL have initiated talks with BOM & BLR. They have not even considered HYD/MAA, not due to pax or anything... but mainly due to poor premium passengers from the city I was told(esp MAA). But obviously DEL & BOM are 1st priorities & then comes BLR.
Anyhow, it's great to see the Int'l pax growing at such a 18-20% YoY, Ofcourse BLR will not keep growing at 23% every month (intl pax). But its definitely good to see the growth in intl pax. Yes, AMS is lost, but BLR carries the max J pax from the south to the West & beyond. Hopefully AMS will comeback as KLM has recently opened their In-line maintaince centre at BLR airport airside which was used by 9W's AMS sector. Exciting part is the new runway, Terminal 2( & 3 in 2026 onwards) , massive infrastructure upgrades both landside & airside & in coming month there will be 17 new CODE C gates at the airport as airlines have been asking for it(overnight parking). As much as a person doesn't like to see BLR outtake HYD in almost every way, its just Onwarda and upwards.

I shall try to post some stats in the coming week if I can. Cheers! :-)
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:33 pm

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Why do the adults here keep forgetting airports are just a means for people to get from destination A to destination B with there being no competitive intent between A and B?

Phewwww if anything we should be talking about how miserable the wages of airport workers at any airport in India are.
If any airport is able to increase the salaries, they would be true winners in my eyes.


Why would they ? They may increase airport development fees but that isn't equivalent to increase airport worker salaries. There has to be an incentive for the management to increase worker salaries and that will only happen IF there is some kind of competition and more than one airport in a city. Till you have one airport in the city, it is kind of a monopoly situation where the management can do what it wants.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:41 pm

pune wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Question is was there ever a race, Chennai has 1.5 Million more international pax than Bangalore, and everyone seems to have written it off as an airport. Ironic.

Hyderabad never said it wants to be a hub.

This is just distortion when one airport sends out too many SMWs.


SMWs ?


Social media warrior acc to him.
Unfortunately the user cannot digest the fact BLR>HYD. I'm just stating the facts as this is A.net and not SSC HYD airport forum which seeks attention for likes on posts. The user says HYD "never wants to be a hub" , so hence I said...no major airline takes HYD seriously during route development talks. Even our own Indian airline's :-)
In that way MAA does well to be honest.
Lets all get back to actual Indian aviation news & no more "NRI" news.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:47 pm

Is there any evidence RGIA approached any airline to start/restart service to FRA/AMS/LHR/SYD/NRT? No. Why the race with the imaginary boogeyman?

Deal with real issues like 6E dominance and 13,000 Cr debt. That is as much as BOM T2 cost. Need a lot of growth to service that debt.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:59 pm

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Is there any evidence RGIA approached any airline to start/restart service to FRA/AMS/LHR/SYD/NRT? No. Why the race with the imaginary boogeyman?

Deal with real issues like 6E dominance and 13,000 Cr debt. That is as much as BOM T2 cost. Need a lot of growth to service that debt.

Ha ha ha. As early as 2011 RGIA/GMR was pitching for a non stop connection to USA (rofl) at Routes online conferences.

Btw I was speaking to a friend who pursued Masters in Computers Science. She told me that as part of the curriculum they had to learn about a concept called debt service coverage. What it basically means is the larger a company's operating income, the higher is its capacity to repay debt.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:06 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Here is international traffic data posted by airport authorities for the period between April'18 to March'19. Gives a better picture.

Image


Seems like the stand-out airports for growth are Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Coimbatore, Amritsar, Varanasi, and so forth. With the exception of Banglore, none of the so-called 'hubs' are listed.

So I take it that you think Modi and Jaitley are doing a great thing or two! ;)
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:13 pm

sand26391 wrote:
sibibom wrote:
AAI Stats-Mar-2019


Total (Intl+Domestic) passengers:

1. DELHI 5481013
2. MUMBAI 3571822
3. BANGALORE 2843363
4. KOLKATA 1885461
5. HYDERABAD 1837899
6. CHENNAI 1719693


Look at Chennai! Once considered as a "Hub" in the south, the growth is just not there. Once a competition to BLR, now the difference is of more than 1.1 million per month btw the 2 cities. Whos at 7th? AMD? COK?


COK is actually seeing decline in numbers. Perhaps some of the traffic is going to be siphoned of to Kannur.

The airports to watch obviously are likes of Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Surat, Gauhati and even a Beneras and so forth. Now that the 'govt constraints' have been removed, expect to see phenomenal growth.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:19 pm

CJB-BOM was operated 3x daily (3rd freq lasted only a few months) by Jet. Since it shut shop IndiGo has added one freq and SG 2 freq, completely replacing the lost capacity. Who needs Jet?
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:33 pm

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It will, because the number of pax traveling on the sector is waaay higher than MAA-SFO. If you want to talk abt Sri Lanka, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore O&D traffic then MAA is a clear winner. Not many ppl know what goes on at the back-end & thats where I try to post some stats/information about BLR.

Ofcourse 6E has some great plans for the next 12 months from the city. 6E's HKG route for example has been doing well, garnering around 85-95% loads in past 40 days wity msny connecting pax from MAA/COK/HYD/CJB/BOM among a few. some of the members here already know the 6E plans from the city ;)
Remember when MAA guys used to say BLR will never overtake them in passenger traffic?? Well.... to be honest MAA is no more of any competition & HYD never was.

NRT-MAA & BLR-MAA talks have been going on for years but the main issue was not slot constraints but bilaterals. Similarly since AUS & India have open skies agreement (which was signed around 1 or 2 years back) airports like PER/SYD/MEL have initiated talks with BOM & BLR. They have not even considered HYD/MAA, not due to pax or anything... but mainly due to poor premium passengers from the city I was told(esp MAA). But obviously DEL & BOM are 1st priorities & then comes BLR.
Anyhow, it's great to see the Int'l pax growing at such a 18-20% YoY, Ofcourse BLR will not keep growing at 23% every month (intl pax). But its definitely good to see the growth in intl pax. Yes, AMS is lost, but BLR carries the max J pax from the south to the West & beyond. Hopefully AMS will comeback as KLM has recently opened their In-line maintaince centre at BLR airport airside which was used by 9W's AMS sector. Exciting part is the new runway, Terminal 2( & 3 in 2026 onwards) , massive infrastructure upgrades both landside & airside & in coming month there will be 17 new CODE C gates at the airport as airlines have been asking for it(overnight parking). As much as a person doesn't like to see BLR outtake HYD in almost every way, its just Onwarda and upwards.

I shall try to post some stats in the coming week if I can. Cheers! :-)


Thank you for the stats. Appreciate the info you provide on BLR.

The 17 code C gates you mentioned, are some of them remote parking bays?
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:34 pm

Not the biggest 9W fan, but I do miss seeing the airline operational to be honest. Always good to see some sort of competition, esp to Air India... 1st of all India has only 2 FSC's and 1 is 'dead' and other is on ventilator for decades.... but I guess one's loss is other's gain?
For example Since I5 increased its freq on BLR-BOM the flights are having 96% Loads and daily 1 way cargo of ~7-8 tonnes in the 4 daily flights. It's amazing and sad at the same time.

Also I wanted to know why such rapid decrease in COK pax? 26% decline in Intl pax, is ot CNN affect or something else? Any decrease in Int'l flights from COK in March 2019?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:41 pm

sand26391 wrote:

Also I wanted to know why such rapid decrease in COK pax? 26% decline in Intl pax, is ot CNN affect or something else? Any decrease in Int'l flights from COK in March 2019?

COK's single largest international airline was Jet. Jet started steadily reducing its Kerala-West Asia connectivity since last quarter.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:52 pm

@unrave What really!??! Now THAT is unfortunate. I never knew 9W was COK's largest int'l carrier. Anyways AIX may take the slots away from 9W.

This is why AAI's numbers can never be taken with 100% accuracy as it includes O&D and Transit pax.

Lets take an example
Acc to BIAL numbers in Q2 2018
BLR-SIN O&D pax= 46,882
BLR-SIN pax Acc to AAI website= 79,320

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Hence I never believe the AAI statistics, always check the BLR numbers on a weekly basis right from the source.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:52 pm

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Seems like the stand-out airports for growth are Ahmedabad.


Total growth was 28% for March '19 and 21.8% for FY. AMD should hire some SMWs. Not much noise.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:57 pm

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Total growth was 28% for March '19 and 21.8% for FY. AMD should hire some SMWs. Not much noise.

I wonder if Masters in Computer Science course teaches the concept called "base effect".
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:02 pm

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Total growth was 28% for March '19 and 21.8% for FY. AMD should hire some SMWs. Not much noise.

Being an SMW of a performing airport is probably better than being one for the one with one percent growth - just sayin!

On a different but related note, there were media reports suggestion 6E would take the delivery of 20-25 A321Neos this season. Would anyone want to speculate on how many of those could be LRs? If they do in-fact get some LRs, it could strengthen their international presence out of BLR.

Post code-share with TK, I can’t seem to ignore the possibilities that a sector like BLR-IST can offer. And LRs can make that happen for 6E.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:10 pm

avier wrote:
As expected, SpiceJet will start pointless flights (lasting 6 months) where no competition exists:
SpiceJet to start daily flights on Mumbai-Durgapur route from June 25


Not pointless. This flight is to start 3 days before the elections and that means 1 Lok Sabha seat in the bag. I called this strategic planning.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:13 pm

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Post code-share with TK, I can’t seem to ignore the possibilities that a sector like BLR-IST can offer. And LRs can make that happen for 6E.


Did Indigo cancel its second daily DEL - Istanbul flight?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:57 pm

IndiGo delays planned 2nd daily Delhi – Istanbul flight to 01JUL19, instead of 01MAY19. From 05MAY19 to 31MAY19, existing 1 daily service from Istanbul will also make a technical stop, via Ahmedabad (Doha for 05MAY19 departure), instead of nonstop

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 80640?s=19
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:00 am

sand26391 wrote:
IndiGo delays planned 2nd daily Delhi – Istanbul flight to 01JUL19, instead of 01MAY19. From 05MAY19 to 31MAY19, existing 1 daily service from Istanbul will also make a technical stop, via Ahmedabad (Doha for 05MAY19 departure), instead of nonstop

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 80640?s=19

Thanks
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:16 am

sand26391 wrote:
IndiGo delays planned 2nd daily Delhi – Istanbul flight to 01JUL19, instead of 01MAY19. From 05MAY19 to 31MAY19, existing 1 daily service from Istanbul will also make a technical stop, via Ahmedabad (Doha for 05MAY19 departure), instead of nonstop

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 80640?s=19


Poor load factors still? Can anyone shine some light on the load factos of DEL - IST and vice versa operated by 6E?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:32 am

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avier wrote:
VTCIE wrote:
All the big traffic is domestic. 6E is the biggest A320neo operator in the world, yet they fly only domestically, with the exceptions of BLR-HKG and MAA-KWI. 6E has turned BLR into a big domestic hub. All the domestic traffic passing through BLR more than overpowers the international traffic. MAA may have more international traffic but its low domestic traffic is seeing it slip behind HYD and CCU.

As for HYD, I do not know why it is unable to expand its routes despite having leapfrogged MAA in the domestic traffic.


Let's not forget MAA is already capacity constrained. Not sure if it's runway or bays or terminal constrainted or all.
MAA & CCU both really need to expand by way of new airports or growing the existing facility to tap into the growth. I don't see why these two airports can't match the growth rate of say the top three airports by %.

How did NH get the NRT-MAA route then? Surely that was not because of capacity constraints. Rather it was to create a South India-Japan market out of nowhere. I think this route will be a big money-spinner for NH.

Of course, with the number of San Francisqueños and Bengalureans in this thread, the JAL BLR-NRT flight with the SFO connection will overshadow any sort of NH NRT-MAA discussion. ;)


The MAA and BLR flights do not conveniently connect to the SFO flight unless you prefer sitting in NRT (Japan) airport for 12 hours. You think techies like to kill 12 hours that way? Are you out of your mind?

Note that the BLR flight to NRT on Japan Air Lines (JAL) doesn't have any connecting flight to SFO (since all SFO flights on JAL leave from Haneda airport not Narita airport).
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:16 am

edealinfo wrote:

The MAA and BLR flights do not conveniently connect to the SFO flight unless you prefer sitting in NRT (Japan) airport for 12 hours. You think techies like to kill 12 hours that way? Are you out of your mind?

Note that the BLR flight to NRT on Japan Air Lines (JAL) doesn't have any connecting flight to SFO (since all SFO flights on JAL leave from Haneda airport not Narita airport).


True that JAL will not be a good option to SFO from BLR, but the rest of your post is not accurate. This abberation I haven't understood completely but hey it is what it is.

If the timing of the JAL flight published on "Live from a Lounge" is correct, then the BLR flight arrives about 2PM and then the NA flights leave about 5-6 PM so no one is waiting for 12 hours. Except in the case of ORD and DFW, where you would simply connect to the AA flight. One World.

As far as MAA - NRT is concerned, I would assume that ANA are not silly enough to add an India flight without thinking about the onward connector! So I would expect the flights to have similar timings (I couldn't find the actual published times for NRT-MAA) connecting to their NA flights in the 4-6 PM time slot. Except IAD and IAH where you would connect to UA. Star Alliance. And keep in mind NH serves both SFO and SJC in the silicon valley. Both daily.

I would also expect the MAA flight to do well because there would be a decent amount of cargo projected on this flight given that Chennai is big on the auto scene.
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