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AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:51 am

American Airlines is transitioning its last two international 767-300ER routes from JFK (CDG and MAD) to the 777-200ER from today. AA 44 (JFK-CDG) became a 772 starting with the 3/30 departure, with AA 94 (JFK-MAD) moving to the 772 this evening. With that, all AA international long hauls from JFK are on the 777, including those flights operated by the 777-300ER to LHR and GRU.

The move to the 777 for CDG and MAD was announced a while back as part of the Spring/Summer schedule change. Good to see the 763 off these routes. The dispatch reliability wasn't great and the main cabin on those birds were 1980's style, except for the 9 763s built and delivered after the TWA acquisition in 2002-2003.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:58 am

The 767-300ER was once the mainstay of AA's JFK operations, with many routes to the Caribbean including San Juan and Barbados operated with it, along with all three deep south America routes (GIG, EZE, GRU), LHR was operated with a mix of the 763/MD11/A300/772 for a time, with CDG, ZRH, MXP, BCN, all getting the 763 before being upgauged to the 772 later on (except for ZRH, which started out as a 762, then a 763, and then to PHL last year). BCN was for a time double daily at peak times on the 763. The short lived FRA and LYS routes in the late 1980s were flown with the 762. One JFK-SFO rotation was also on the 763 before the entire LAX/SFO operation moved to the A321T.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:16 pm

Does AA removing of the fleet those 763ERs?
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:22 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
Does AA removing of the fleet those 763ERs?


Yes, they are being phased out gradually, being positioned in the MIA and PHL hubs only. Quite a few of them will be operating AA's PHL's TATL schedule this summer, including Bologna, Dubrovnik, Budapest, Prague, and Zurich.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:36 pm

JFK will continue to see the 763 but to MIA only, and maybe DFW but that's it. Yes you are right, as far as international flying is concerned 763s are now removed from JFK, all intercontinental flights out of JFK on AA metal are now 777s. The last 767 will leave end of 2021.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:43 pm

American 767 wrote:
JFK will continue to see the 763 but to MIA only, and maybe DFW but that's it. Yes you are right, as far as international flying is concerned 763s are now removed from JFK, all intercontinental flights out of JFK on AA metal are now 777s. The last 767 will leave end of 2021.


Yeah, AA2423 is continuing to be a 767 from DFW-JFK: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa2423
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:21 pm

Today’s schedule from JFK to MIA is mostly 763s leaving for good other than domestic turns from MIA. The 763 route I was on yesterday that I’ll take next Saturday will be a 772. The 763 I was on yesterday looked very dated with 1980s looking screens.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:32 pm

At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:27 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


What a stupid, misinformed post. Both United and Delta have invested a lot more in their 767-300ER's over the years to improve their dispatch rate and renovated the cabins from nose to tail. American Airlines chose to renovate just the forward, premium cabin, and leave the back of the bus as is, save for new fabric on the seats.

European and Asian legacy airlines have better service, yes, but to a point.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:30 pm

There is no need to mention domestic stuff since they are not going against any formidable competition on JFK-DFW/MIA. The problem with 767-300 on TATL is that they are quite clearly one of the worst product compared to 777, which is actually a pretty good hard product.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:35 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.



AF still has 2-2-2J. BA has 2-4-2J. EK flies 2-3-2 J. AA pretty much just has 1-2-1 across thier whole fleet. (i think the 757s are the only ones that dont)
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:37 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


Take a trip on LH and fly on D-AIPA for me :cheeky:

Or any of JAL's/ANA's 763's built in the last 10 years :rotfl:

Sounds like we have another believer in the 1988 Factor.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:49 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


DL’s 767 aren’t bad and have no reliability issue that I know of. Between JFK-Lax I go out of my way to fly the 767 (only better plane for J is their A330 on domestic)
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:58 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


Even UA's 767s are improving drastically. They're investing in a new dense Polaris Business Class in a 1-1-1 configuration and added Premium Economy in a 2-2-2 config.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:27 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.

Tell us how you really feel lol.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:29 pm

I actually had an appreciation for those 767s 5 across in coach I will take that with the 80s cabin over the 10 across 777 where the seats do not actually recline
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:32 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.

Tell us how you really feel lol.


It’s really an AA problem (and was an HA problem until they retired theirs). The DL and UA 767s are for the most part quite acceptable. DL’s J product on the 763, for instance, is worlds better than most of the BA long haul fleet.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:36 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


I would say when it comes to AA FA's (from someone that flies alot of F and J on AA)

In J:
50% are fine
10% Very good
20% Excellent
5% Asian carrier level of service
15% Should be fired for fraud!! - If you hate your job, quit...but most of them can't can they?! They are running down the clock.


In F: Transcon A3T and Int.
10% are fine
15% Very good
40% Excellent
20% Asian carrier level of service
15% Should be fired for fraud!! - usually these cranky B and B's are left to cook and not interact with passengers.

But then again, I do not require fuss and as a Brit, limited interaction for the most part, unless the Earth's magnetic field is going crazy and then I might be up for a chat and a giggle ;-)

I always have to drag myself off 763s.... exhausted, but they are fine for 3 hour hops.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:40 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Does AA removing of the fleet those 763ERs?


Yes, they are being phased out gradually, being positioned in the MIA and PHL hubs only. Quite a few of them will be operating AA's PHL's TATL schedule this summer, including Bologna, Dubrovnik, Budapest, Prague, and Zurich.


When are PHL's TATL services going to see newer, refurbished planes like 777s and 787s? They've been stuck with the old non-refurbished 767s and A330s for quite a while now. Same applies to CLT
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:42 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


is this bait
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:45 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


I miss the 707.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:53 pm

This is sad :(

It's one of the most comfy plane out there. Also, it's a pretty step capacity increase. You would thought A330-200 and B787-8 would be the one to replace them first.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:55 pm

acavpics wrote:
When are PHL's TATL services going to see newer, refurbished planes like 777s and 787s?

Two things working against that: (1) PHL's short distance requirements, and (2) AA rules the roost with that market.

The likes of LAX and DFW require aircraft with significant range, in order to make the vast majority of its transoceanic routes. PHL doesn't.
Also, there's very limited competition that isn't an ally, so there's no real reason for AA to "innovate" (if we're to call it that) there, versus elsewhere.



cranberrysaus wrote:
texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.
No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!
While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.
Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.
International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.

is this bait

Nope, just blithering prattle from someone with no real substance to add.



ewt340 wrote:
Also, it's a pretty step capacity increase. You would thought A330-200 and B787-8 would be the one to replace them first.

Reasonable; but another big difference is that the 77Es are paid off.

That, combined with reduced fleet/engine/crew types at the gateway, likely leads AA to believe they could earn more (or lose less) money using those aircraft as opposed to the smaller, newer, and more efficient examples given, who still have acquisition cost to take into account alongside operating expenses.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:58 pm

acavpics wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Does AA removing of the fleet those 763ERs?


Yes, they are being phased out gradually, being positioned in the MIA and PHL hubs only. Quite a few of them will be operating AA's PHL's TATL schedule this summer, including Bologna, Dubrovnik, Budapest, Prague, and Zurich.


When are PHL's TATL services going to see newer, refurbished planes like 777s and 787s? They've been stuck with the old non-refurbished 767s and A330s for quite a while now. Same applies to CLT


The 787's are going to gradually begin to appear from PHL on TATL flights starting I believe November 2019. Zurich and Amsterdam I think are the first two routes to get the 787 from PHL. The A330-200s have been refitted with the Premium Economy cabin and are relatively new, having been delivered from 2009. The A330-300's are slated to leave the fleet (originally it was 2019 but this has been pushed back) as there are only 9. I don't think you'll see 777s in PHL flying to Europe on AA anytime soon.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:20 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

Yes, they are being phased out gradually, being positioned in the MIA and PHL hubs only. Quite a few of them will be operating AA's PHL's TATL schedule this summer, including Bologna, Dubrovnik, Budapest, Prague, and Zurich.


When are PHL's TATL services going to see newer, refurbished planes like 777s and 787s? They've been stuck with the old non-refurbished 767s and A330s for quite a while now. Same applies to CLT


The 787's are going to gradually begin to appear from PHL on TATL flights starting I believe November 2019. Zurich and Amsterdam I think are the first two routes to get the 787 from PHL. The A330-200s have been refitted with the Premium Economy cabin and are relatively new, having been delivered from 2009. The A330-300's are slated to leave the fleet (originally it was 2019 but this has been pushed back) as there are only 9. I don't think you'll see 777s in PHL flying to Europe on AA anytime soon.

IIRC it was pushed to Jan 2020 and PHL-MAN was added to the two mentioned.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:36 pm

acavpics wrote:
When are PHL's TATL services going to see newer, refurbished planes like 777s and 787s? They've been stuck with the old non-refurbished 767s and A330s for quite a while now. Same applies to CLT


Some of us who have to fly economy are going to keep connecting through PHL/CLT to get the A330s until the bitter end. The A332 Y is pretty much the best in the entire fleet.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:06 pm

They are keeping the A330-200s. They aren’t scheduled for retirement unlike the 333s.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:13 pm

I guess I am the only one that likes the American 763's. I feel like I am in an episode of Miami Vice when I see the cabin :lol:
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:31 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
They are keeping the A330-200s. They aren’t scheduled for retirement unlike the 333s.


The A333s aren't scheduled for retirement. They will be around indefinitely.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:32 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


You're welcome to fly someone else but I for one appreciate having skilled tenured flight attendants on my flights. I've had awful service from "young" flight attendants as well so it's all about the individual.
Flying AA A330 from PHL to FCO next week in biz, looking forward to the experience.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:36 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.

Sounds like you've got some anger issues there buddy. You are terribly insulting to those outstanding flight attendants on AA/DL/UA who happen to be over 50 or 60 and provide excellent service. Certainly I am sure you have had bad experiences, but it isn't fair to lump everyone in the same group...because it's not true.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:38 pm

The 333s are showing through end of 2021

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... uary-2019/

Retaining Airbus A330-300

As part of its decision on whether or not to retrofit aircraft with premium economy, AA bypassed retrofitting its nine A330-300 as the plan was to retire all of these aircraft in 2019. Then in April 2018, AA changed its mind and decided to keep the A330-300s instead of its 767s. Now, with this update, we know AA plans to keep these nine wide-body aircraft through at least the end of 2021.

With this extension, it’ll be interesting to see how AA handles these aircraft. AA seems to want to have premium economy cabins on its intercontinental routes, and an AA spokesperson confirmed that these A330-300s will not be retrofit with premium economy. So, perhaps the airline will limit these A330-300s to domestic routes which have enough demand to justify a 291-seat aircraft rather than sending them overseas.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:42 pm

Great news!
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:43 pm

767 are an embarrassment. Very glad AA is getting rid of all of them.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:49 pm

To those saying AA has PHL-transatlantic to themselves and don't need to update their 763 cabins, that is a limited O&D market and they move a lot of connections over PHL. So, they compete heavily in the transatlantic market with everyone else.
Their 2018 numbers indicate that they're doing a poor job competing as the only positive for 2018 was the selling of miles to everyone.
I avoid the 763 at all costs even though I only book J/F. It's too late to change the hard product on the 763, but they could at least upgrade the soft product to at least make those markets attractive to high yield passengers.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:53 pm

Good riddance. The worst transatlantic product out there. The biggest issue was no PTVs, and those stupid tablets in business class. As a flight attendant, I hated working them, and it was embarrassing constantly apologizing about the aircraft’s shortcomings. Those planes should have been made into soda cans 18 years ago.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:02 pm

ewt340 wrote:
This is sad :(

It's one of the most comfy plane out there. Also, it's a pretty step capacity increase. You would thought A330-200 and B787-8 would be the one to replace them first.


Another reason for the 777-200 out of JFK is that they have a slightly larger J cabin and the premium seats are needed. Cargo on JFK-CDG-JFK is also very lucrative. When JFK-CDG was flown on the 763, it couldn’t handle all the cargo headed to New York, so it would be sent on the Miami flight and then flown up to JFK. Having the 777 as the sole international equipment from JFK will improve reliability as well.

CDG has been on and off on the 772 for years, then it would randomly go back to the 763. Whenever it was on the 772, I’d notice an uptick in the number of passengers paying for J, then when it would go back to the 763, the Executive Platinums and Concierge Keys would find some other way to get to Paris, probably on AF/DL.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:06 pm

https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-767-re ... ins-a330s/

American is phasing out their 767s altogether, and the older ones are the first to go. You can't compare United and Delta 767 to AA's. AA doesn't have IFE for pax to the extent they do, and that has them running their 767s in routes where they face little competition, or are cargo heavy. Think Miami to San Juan and Lima, New York to Miami, and a few Euro destinations. They're focusing 777 on TATL to make big bucks with premium traffic. The Premium Economy section for airlines is becoming more and more lucrative, and the 767 is in its final stages before retirement.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:35 pm

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I guess I am the only one that likes the American 763's. I feel like I am in an episode of Miami Vice when I see the cabin :lol:


But not the original 1987 A320 interior :?
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:45 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
Good riddance. The worst transatlantic product out there. The biggest issue was no PTVs, and those stupid tablets in business class. As a flight attendant, I hated working them, and it was embarrassing constantly apologizing about the aircraft’s shortcomings. Those planes should have been made into soda cans 18 years ago.


Some are still 15.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:00 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
Good riddance. The worst transatlantic product out there. The biggest issue was no PTVs, and those stupid tablets in business class. As a flight attendant, I hated working them, and it was embarrassing constantly apologizing about the aircraft’s shortcomings. Those planes should have been made into soda cans 18 years ago.


Some are still 15.


The last nine in the fleet, although one was lost in the engine fire at ORD in 2016.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:06 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
Good riddance. The worst transatlantic product out there. The biggest issue was no PTVs, and those stupid tablets in business class. As a flight attendant, I hated working them, and it was embarrassing constantly apologizing about the aircraft’s shortcomings. Those planes should have been made into soda cans 18 years ago.


Some are still 15.


The last nine in the fleet, although one was lost in the engine fire at ORD in 2016.


It's the 1988 Factor.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:08 pm

Good riddance to bad rubbish. The 767 is long overdue for replacement and AA has flogged these planes for all they are worth. I can’t say I will miss them.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:18 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
Good riddance. The worst transatlantic product out there. The biggest issue was no PTVs, and those stupid tablets in business class. As a flight attendant, I hated working them, and it was embarrassing constantly apologizing about the aircraft’s shortcomings. Those planes should have been made into soda cans 18 years ago.


Well, better blame AA for not retrofitting 763s. This shortcoming (bad hardware) is due to insufficient upgrades, and probably isn’t the fault of 767 themselves.
But well, since I don’t really fly a lot of transatlantic, I am much happier to see AA using 788s to places like SFO,ANC,CUN than 763s, and the same applies to PHL alike.
 
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:20 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


Take a trip on LH and fly on D-AIPA for me :cheeky:

Or any of JAL's/ANA's 763's built in the last 10 years :rotfl:

Sounds like we have another believer in the 1988 Factor.


JL 763 are more comfortable than a lot of new 777.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:24 pm

AAs 763s have the worst legacy TATL product in Y, good riddance.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:27 pm

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Cointrin330 wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
Does AA removing of the fleet those 763ERs?


Yes, they are being phased out gradually, being positioned in the MIA and PHL hubs only. Quite a few of them will be operating AA's PHL's TATL schedule this summer, including Bologna, Dubrovnik, Budapest, Prague, and Zurich.


When are PHL's TATL services going to see newer, refurbished planes like 777s and 787s? They've been stuck with the old non-refurbished 767s and A330s for quite a while now. Same applies to CLT


777s aren't newer than A330s, at least not the 77Es and I doubt PHL will see 77W.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:30 pm

Swadian wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


Take a trip on LH and fly on D-AIPA for me :cheeky:

Or any of JAL's/ANA's 763's built in the last 10 years :rotfl:

Sounds like we have another believer in the 1988 Factor.


JL 763 are more comfortable than a lot of new 777.


Oh - I'm just pointing out that many 767s of the Japanese Big 2's fleets were built in the last 10 years - and are newer than most of the 777 fleet worldwide going back to '94.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:48 pm

texdravid wrote:
International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.


I agree, but unfortunately this is not going to change anytime soon.

I'll take a less senior crew any day. They tend to be more energetic and have better attitudes. They generally provide better overall service and keep drinks refilled without having to ask. Yes, there are exceptions and I have encountered superb service from specific senior crew members and I always tell them that it is appreciated.
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Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:07 pm

texdravid wrote:
At this point, US airlines flying these tattered 763’s anywhere are a disgrace.

No wonder the US-3 are a joke....flying ancient relics with terrible dispatch rates and old grandmamas grumpy F/A’s to Europe!

While European and Asian carriers fly new or properly renovated planes, having nice cheerful crews, and excellent food.

Delta may be better than the rest and AA is especially egregious, but all in all they need to pick up their game.

International AA F/A’s are arguably the worst in the air.



Hahaha, did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :lol:

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