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Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:14 pm

Hello there Turkish Aviation fans,
I would like to start this month's thread by saying goodbye to the TK 340 fleet :(



Thanks for all the memories.

Also this month will mark another milestone; closing of the Ataturk airport.
Thank you IST, thank you A340-300 fleet.

-My notes say, in April TK will start Sharjah, UAE 5 x W with A321.
-TK opens another lounge at BKK.
-I was supposed to have a flight today from IST but last minute had to move it to a later date, so I'll experience the new airport pretty shortly.

I will leave it to you guys to take it from here;
Safe travels and Happy landings to all.

You can find last months thread here: Turkish Aviation March 2019
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:15 pm

So will the new airport carry the IST code and be named Ataturk?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:56 pm

TK787 wrote:
Hello there Turkish Aviation fans,
I would like to start this month's thread by saying goodbye to the TK 340 fleet :(






Thanks for a new thread. Sad to see those go. I had some good flights on those.

Hoping for a smooth transtition next week.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:24 pm

Blerg wrote:
So will the new airport carry the IST code and be named Ataturk?

AFAIK, the new airport is called, simply; Istanbul Airport and its code will be IST come April 6th,
Current Ataturk airport will become ISL at the same time.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:54 pm

Other than SHJ, TK will also launch DPS, MEX, CUN, PHC, PNR, and LXR. The new airport will allow TK to further expand without congestion. It's also amazing to see how big TK has grown in the African market, with 3 new destinations this year added alone.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:26 pm

Can't wait to see the new TK lounge.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:00 pm

TC-JIH just departed from Istanbul and is flying to Johannesburg, for storage I assume, and another fact which surprised me is that this A343 was in configured in dense all-economy configuration having 354 seats. May I know which cities did this specific A343 used to fly at?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:08 pm

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Can't wait to see the new TK lounge.


There will be 3 lounges to start - domestic, miles & smiles, and business.

I previously posted some details on the new airport thread..

Lounge Business
Designed for an ideal trip, Turkish Airlines Lounge Business has an area of 5.600 m2 and seats 765 people. In order to create an experience like no other, we have partnered with Istanbul Modern and merged our passenger lounge with a 130 m2 museum, for your pleasure.
Entertainment and comfort intertwined at Turkish Airlines Lounge Business! Before your flight, relax in private suites and take a refreshing shower. Rest in the lounge on comfortable couches and savor delicious, exclusive treats from Turkish and international cuisine. Time will fly with the console gaming experience and large children’s play area.

Lounge Miles&Smiles
Turkish Airlines Lounge Miles&Smiles, has an area of 5.600 m2 and can seat up to 765 people. Prepare to feel refreshed at our passenger lounge that houses 12 suites with 12 showers. Until your flight, sit back and relax on comfortable couches and enjoy the delicious treats of Turkish and world cuisines we have prepared especially for you.
You are in the right place for a good time. At the Turkish Airlines Lounge Miles&Smiles you can find a cinema, console gaming experience and spacious children’s playground where the fun never ends. If you wish to use your time carefully, then you can make the most of our meeting rooms and the library.

Lounge Domestic
Make yourself comfortable in spaces designed to let you have a great time before your flight and taste our delicious treats. Enjoy traveling with Turkish Airlines privileges all the time.
Our selection of console games are the perfect choice to have some fun! Lots of entertainment is guaranteed for your children at our playground designed exclusively for them. If you wish to spend your time for working instead of entertainment, our meeting rooms are at your service.
Lounge Domestic, is accessible through a special entrance gate located outside terminal, you can complete check-in procedures and transfer directly to your aircraft on apron buses.


jensona6 wrote:
TC-JIH just departed from Istanbul and is flying to Johannesburg, for storage I assume, and another fact which surprised me is that this A343 was in configured in dense all-economy configuration having 354 seats. May I know which cities did this specific A343 used to fly at?


Mostly charters - umrah and hadj flying to Saudi Arabia
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:17 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
Can't wait to see the new TK lounge.


There is some Turkish aviation fan page on Instagram that published pictures of some lounges at the new airport. Don't know which one they were from the three mentioned above.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:24 pm

The domestic lounge has been open since December so lots of those photos are online.

TK teased some photos of their miles and smiles and business lounges last week on Twitter.

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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:29 am

Just to make sure:
-Business Lounge is only for pax flying Business Class on the day of the flight.
-Miles & Smiles Lounge is for Star Gold pax and guests
-Domestic is for both.
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:47 am

TK787 wrote:
Just to make sure:
-Business Lounge is only for pax flying Business Class on the day of the flight.
-Miles & Smiles Lounge is for Star Gold pax and guests
-Domestic is for both.


I presume if you have *G and flying J you have the choice of both ? Or will TK just direct you to the J lounge ?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:28 am

as per LAXIntl's description, both lounges have the same size and capacity. I believe, there are only minor differences in the offered product.
I'm wondering why TK doesn't have a more private offer for their best and most loyal own customers - Elite Plus members?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:23 pm

Working near Kartal, Istanbul today and in a warehouse I saw some cabin parts from TC-JIK A343 stored ...Y seats, overhead bins, bathrooms. Shrink wrapped on pallets probably to be used for movie sets.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:26 pm

Still trying to figure out the whole A330-200 strategy, operation and deployment of Onurair. Does it really pay off to have 11 aircraft in the fleet, but not using it for own ops at all?
Here is an overview of the fleet (sorry, don't know how to include tables here...).

REG | LAST A/P | LAST MOVEMENT AND STATUS:
#01 TC-OCE IST 29.11.2018 124 DAYS INACTIVE
#02 TC-OCF AMM 30.03.2019 3 DAYS MAINTENANCE (??)
#03 TC-OCG AYT 14.03.2019 19 DAYS INACTIVE
#04 TC-OCH JED 21.05.2018 316 DAYS DAMAGED
#05 TC-OCI JED/MED 02.04.2019 0 DAYS ACTIVE FOR SV
#06 TC-OCJ JED/MED 02.04.2019 0 DAYS ACTIVE FOR SV
#07 TC-OCK JED/MED 02.04.2019 0 DAYS ACTIVE FOR SV
#08 TC-OCL AYT 19.02.2019 42 DAYS INACTIVE
#09 TC-OCM JED/MED 02.04.2019 0 DAYS ACTIVE FOR SV
#10 TC-OCN AMM 12.03.2019 21 DAYS MAINTENANCE (??)
#11 TC-OCO JED 02.04.2019 0 DAYS ACTIVE FOR SV

Accordingly,
    5x active with SV
    2x (probably) in maintenance in AMM
    1x damaged during landing in JED
    3x inactive for quite some time

Basically, half of the fleet isn't flying thus not generating revenue. On the other hand, is flying let's say domestically between IST-AYT/ADA/ADB/BJV profitable for them at all? Or other example, can they sell 300-311 seats oneway to one of their exotic international destinations (BGW, SCO, CIT, KWI, NAL, ODS, DUS, TXL)?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:27 pm

I wondered about Onur Air too. Im sure they could use them on the Amsterdam/Dusseldorf if they restarted those routes again. Not sure why they scrapped them. The flights were always full. I know 3 Pilots who operate the A330 fleet for SV but 2 of them recently quit Onur Air and are now in training for Pegasus A320.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:25 pm

Couple of interesting news from airlineroute:

China Southern is starting 3 weekly Wuhan-Istanbul flights on 787-8. Chinese carriers are very interested in IST lately, this will be the second CS destination, and Sichuan Airlines is also starting soon.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2019/

IndiGo's DEL-IST flights now have a technical stop at DOH (only westbound), due to the Pakistani airspace closure. They also postponed the second daily flight.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... djustment/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:05 am

How come there is not special thread on its own for the airport move that will take place in few days.

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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:06 pm

dozerman wrote:
Couple of interesting news from airlineroute:

China Southern is starting 3 weekly Wuhan-Istanbul flights on 787-8. Chinese carriers are very interested in IST lately, this will be the second CS destination, and Sichuan Airlines is also starting soon.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2019/

IndiGo's DEL-IST flights now have a technical stop at DOH (only westbound), due to the Pakistani airspace closure. They also postponed the second daily flight.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... djustment/


For those who can go, Wuhan is a beautiful place. Glad that Chinese airlines are taking more of an interest in Turkey.
It is expected that China Southern will soon sign a codeshare agreement with AtlasGlobal.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation March 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:29 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Still trying to figure out the whole A330-200 strategy, operation and deployment of Onurair. Does it really pay off to have 11 aircraft in the fleet, but not using it for own ops at all?

Basically, half of the fleet isn't flying thus not generating revenue. On the other hand, is flying let's say domestically between IST-AYT/ADA/ADB/BJV profitable for them at all? Or other example, can they sell 300-311 seats oneway to one of their exotic international destinations (BGW, SCO, CIT, KWI, NAL, ODS, DUS, TXL)?


Lets keep in mind, Onur Air is privately owned including investment from tourism company, and formerly Iranian partner also, so it might have different business priorities, a bit like AtlasGlobal that has cross-investment with other companies.

Onur basically has 4 revenue streams:
- ACMI (A330s to SV for example)
- Charter (mostly A321s flying from beach markets)
- Scheduled service which has grown and shrunk over the years
- MRO

Obviously, it tries to juggle things based on the economic situation as not all streams will continually strong.
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:26 pm

Turkish Airlines announced in December last year that they would launch daily flights between Ankara Baku. Then in January, a week before commencing the flights, they announced they will start Ankara Tbilisi twice weekly instead of launching Ankara Baku and flights between Turkish and Georgian capitals were reinstated since then. A month later in February, Pegasus announced that they would launch daily service on March 31st between Ankara and Baku. The Pegasus service did not materialize but no further announcement was made by Pegasus either.

Finally yesterday Turkish Airlines announced that they will start flights between Ankara and Baku effective from April 22nd.

Details as follows;

Turkish Airlines from late-April 2019 is adding Ankara – Baku route, previously scheduled to commence in January 2019. From 22APR19, the Star Alliance carrier will operate this route on daily basis, with Boeing 737-800 aircraft.

TK330 ESB2345 – 0335+1GYD 73H 135
TK330 ESB2345 – 0335+1GYD 738 x135

TK331 GYD0430 – 0620ESB 73H 246
TK331 GYD0430 – 0620ESB 738 x246

Looks like there has been a battle between TK and Pegasus behind the curtain on this matter. Anyone can give some insight??
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:26 am

Should there be a new thread for the big move? I think it would be cool what do you guys think?
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:25 am

When does it start?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:55 am

Duartelmatos wrote:
When does it start?


Already in motion.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:48 pm

And thats a wrap. The last flight, TK54 to Singapore has departed. Thank you Ataturk Airport for all the memories.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:34 am

Had my last flight from the Ataturk Airport on the 1st of April to AMM. It was sad to see the place like that. Darker than usual, shops had already started closing down.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:57 am

When TK 54 was departing, was the airport empty or were there some planes that were ferried to the new IST? Are there any pictures of the airport today or last night?
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:26 am

Blerg wrote:
When TK 54 was departing, was the airport empty or were there some planes that were ferried to the new IST? Are there any pictures of the airport today or last night?


No, in fact there are still a lot of aircraft remaining at Ataturk. They are still conducting the ferry flights. You can see the discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1379061

Besides, all private and freighter aircraft will continue to use Ataturk, and there are lots of those around as always.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:35 am

Blerg wrote:
When TK 54 was departing, was the airport empty or were there some planes that were ferried to the new IST? Are there any pictures of the airport today or last night?


Start read from this post

viewtopic.php?p=21254811#p21254811

;)
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:21 am

aldrigsomandre wrote:
Had my last flight from the Ataturk Airport on the 1st of April to AMM. It was sad to see the place like that. Darker than usual, shops had already started closing down.


Sad to see it like that from the photos. Many good flights to and through the airport also. I will miss the TK lounge it was unique.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:26 am

Thanks for the link to the pictures.

Have they decided what will become of the land once IST officially closes down for all traffic?
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:44 am

Another topic, just for change :)
Don't you think it's time for PC to review their livery?
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:23 am

stylo777 wrote:
Another topic, just for change :)
Don't you think it's time for PC to review their livery?


Yes! I want Pegasus on the fuselage instead of Flypgs.com and a new letter font on the tail and more dynamic coloring on the livery!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:17 pm

HeyTK wrote:
I wondered about Onur Air too. Im sure they could use them on the Amsterdam/Dusseldorf if they restarted those routes again. Not sure why they scrapped them. The flights were always full. I know 3 Pilots who operate the A330 fleet for SV but 2 of them recently quit Onur Air and are now in training for Pegasus A320.


Onur Air still flies to DUS daily from IST using A320/321.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:46 pm

Does anyone know what's the current capacity of the airport (IST) and how many expansion phases are there?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:04 pm

HeyTK wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
Another topic, just for change :)
Don't you think it's time for PC to review their livery?


Yes! I want Pegasus on the fuselage instead of Flypgs.com and a new letter font on the tail and more dynamic coloring on the livery!


I agree. I always read it "Flypigs". They should also change the name to something rather Turkic mythology than Greek. How about Asena Air?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:47 pm

Zaf wrote:
HeyTK wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
Another topic, just for change :)
Don't you think it's time for PC to review their livery?


Yes! I want Pegasus on the fuselage instead of Flypgs.com and a new letter font on the tail and more dynamic coloring on the livery!


I agree. I always read it "Flypigs". They should also change the name to something rather Turkic mythology than Greek. How about Asena Air?


Asena is a great name for a future Airline!
I actually like Pegasus and it suits because Turkey has a long and rooted history with Greece. A lot of Turkish citizens carry Greek DNA, and vice versa.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:24 pm

Their original livery from the 2000's had the mythological winged horse "Pegasus" on the tail. In my opinion they can use this again to create a more modern design. White and yellow/orange in general is a difficult combination, but with a bit out-of-the-box creative design has quite some potential.

 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:22 pm

Blerg wrote:
Does anyone know what's the current capacity of the airport (IST) and how many expansion phases are there?


90 m pax, is the current capacity. There is 4 phases.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The ... _330874483

This video will give you an opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-_-qa7DtW4
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:15 pm

For the last 2 days I’ve been following traffic at IST using FR24. I can’t follow ground traffic of IST as it is still not in the coverage of FR24. But 2 parallel runways of IST made a big contribution and there is no landing queue as we experienced at ISL for all those years. Pax will feel the difference, especially during days of southern winds.
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:25 am

TK105 wrote:
For the last 2 days I’ve been following traffic at IST using FR24. I can’t follow ground traffic of IST as it is still not in the coverage of FR24. But 2 parallel runways of IST made a big contribution and there is no landing queue as we experienced at ISL for all those years. Pax will feel the difference, especially during days of southern winds.


I heard rumor about long taxing process to the terminals after landings in new airport , is this true?
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:56 am

Solidus wrote:
TK105 wrote:
For the last 2 days I’ve been following traffic at IST using FR24. I can’t follow ground traffic of IST as it is still not in the coverage of FR24. But 2 parallel runways of IST made a big contribution and there is no landing queue as we experienced at ISL for all those years. Pax will feel the difference, especially during days of southern winds.


I heard rumor about long taxing process to the terminals after landings in new airport , is this true?


I can say from firsthand experience (arrived from LHR this morning at 4am) that taxi times go up to 30 minutes. They will need some getting used to.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:20 am

leftyboarder wrote:
Solidus wrote:
TK105 wrote:
For the last 2 days I’ve been following traffic at IST using FR24. I can’t follow ground traffic of IST as it is still not in the coverage of FR24. But 2 parallel runways of IST made a big contribution and there is no landing queue as we experienced at ISL for all those years. Pax will feel the difference, especially during days of southern winds.


I heard rumor about long taxing process to the terminals after landings in new airport , is this true?


I can say from firsthand experience (arrived from LHR this morning at 4am) that taxi times go up to 30 minutes. They will need some getting used to.


Wow, a 30mim taxi time at 4am. Will be really bad then during daytime peaks.
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:30 am

Can anybody suggest if the monopoly of THY at IST (Atatürk) and ESB will continue with the new IST Airport and ESB service. The argument was slot restrictions before but that is over now with the new airport opened, what excuse is there to prevent Atlas Global and Onur to start flying ESB?? IST ESB is the busiest route in Europe with monopoly after Russians eased Aeroflot's monopoly on Moscow St. Petersburg pair a few years ago by the way.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:00 pm

very good question, but I'm sure, they'll also find an excuse this time.
as you know, there is a big lobby behind this topic and the last try some years ago ended in the cancellation of flights just two weeks prior commence by KK (who btw. had sold tickets already...).
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:59 am

According to the article linked below (Turkish only) the first plane was supposed to land at the Çukurova Regional Airport last month. I couldn't find anything about whether this happened or not. It's in general very difficult to find any (worthwile) info about the airport despite the construction being at a quite advanced stage. They also must've had quite some troubles over the years with cash shortages and strikes. Can anyone share some inside knowledge?

Edit: I might add that the the head of Mersin's culture and tourism ministry used the expression "inşallah" in his statement about the first plane landing there in March, so yeah. :spin:

https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/politika/cukur ... ek/1408010
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:14 am

Anyone know why TC-JIM is still at Ataturk and has not flown in 3 weeks?
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:39 pm

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Anyone know why TC-JIM is still at Ataturk and has not flown in 3 weeks?


Possibly it's the time for a major C-Check, for this bird...
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:42 am

The Moment TK787 have been waiting for. 787’s will fly to AYT daily for training purposes. Who wants to book the inaugural? :) tweet in English link in tweet in Romanian: https://twitter.com/AeronewsRO/status/1 ... 1455654912



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Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:20 am

gokmengs wrote:
The Moment TK787 have been waiting for. 787’s will fly to AYT daily for training purposes. Who wants to book the inaugural? :) tweet in English link in tweet in Romanian: https://twitter.com/AeronewsRO/status/1 ... 1455654912



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