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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:57 pm

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I've seen reports in the press about TK doing some sort of test flights at Zonguldak with a view to possibly opening a route to IST. There was also vague mention about the ILS possibly being considered for upgrade.

Zonguldak to either Ankara or Sabiha Gokcen takes about 4 hours by land - the last regular routes were summer seasonal with Germania to Düsseldorf and Münster-Osnabrück in Germany

Anyone know anything about this ?


Domestic air service to Zonguldak will always be marginal due relative short road distances to Ankara (~275km) and Istanbul (~300km) and the frequent bus service that connects these cities.

Also until about 2008 the airport had rather big performance restrictions due high hill at one end of the runway which was eventually shaved down.

Last yearTK has stated it would consider restarting ops to the airport if an ILS system was installed to offer better reliability during winter months.
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:26 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
I've seen reports in the press about TK doing some sort of test flights at Zonguldak with a view to possibly opening a route to IST. There was also vague mention about the ILS possibly being considered for upgrade.

Zonguldak to either Ankara or Sabiha Gokcen takes about 4 hours by land - the last regular routes were summer seasonal with Germania to Düsseldorf and Münster-Osnabrück in Germany

Anyone know anything about this ?


Atlasglobal is supposed to resume flights to Zonguldak this summer to Dusseldorf
http://www.kokpit.aero/zonguldak-atlasglobal-dusseldorf
 
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:56 pm

Looking at Flightradar24, this is the first time I've seen 198 TK planes in the air at the same time. Wow!!
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:38 am

Look for TK to launch service to Xi'an and Xiamen in China. China just authorized additional service points as a result of Sichuan Airlines and China Southern launching new IST services. Authorized weekly frequencies between countries will rise to 60+ in 2-years.

Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:08 am

Hey guys so do any of you know what's the first scheduled service for TK's 789? And also, I read somewhere that turkish subbed in a 77W for its inaugural Mexico City run before switching back to the 789, can anyone confirm this?
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:52 am

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Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.

Can Nevsehir's airport accommodate anything larger than a 737/A320?

Probably can't service Nevsehir directly with 737's, correct?
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:47 am

1g wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.

Can Nevsehir's airport accommodate anything larger than a 737/A320?

Probably can't service Nevsehir directly with 737's, correct?


Surely the Chinese cannot fly non-stop from China to Nevşehir with a NB. They must use, at the least, an Airbus 332 or 333. The runway at Nevşehir is 3000*45 mt., so it's pretty much adequate for the WBs. The tarmac can possibly accommodate 3 NBs at the same time or two WBs at the same time... But the terminal size & facilities and the other support facilities (like catering) seem to be nowhere adequate for an international WB operation.
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:30 am

mafaky wrote:
1g wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.

Can Nevsehir's airport accommodate anything larger than a 737/A320?

Probably can't service Nevsehir directly with 737's, correct?


Surely the Chinese cannot fly non-stop from China to Nevşehir with a NB. They must use, at the least, an Airbus 332 or 333. The runway at Nevşehir is 3000*45 mt., so it's pretty much adequate for the WBs. The tarmac can possibly accommodate 3 NBs at the same time or two WBs at the same time... But the terminal size & facilities and the other support facilities (like catering) seem to be nowhere adequate for an international WB operation.


I'm sure if Chinese service is on the horizon, the Turkish authorities would be willing to invest in the necessary upgrades, no?
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:13 am

1g wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.

Can Nevsehir's airport accommodate anything larger than a 737/A320?

Probably can't service Nevsehir directly with 737's, correct?

It is incredible, only less than 15 years ago I was working on a feature film in Cappadocia and we chartered a TK 737 to fly the crew back to Istanbul. There were no scheduled flights then. They literally turned on the lights at Nevsehir for us, just for us, less than 100 people. I knew how special it was for us even then. I am not 100% posiitive but it was also used for French actor Jean Reno's private plane to take him back to Paris.
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:46 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Look for TK to launch service to Xi'an and Xiamen in China. China just authorized additional service points as a result of Sichuan Airlines and China Southern launching new IST services. Authorized weekly frequencies between countries will rise to 60+ in 2-years.

Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.


Is there any link for official or more info?
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:10 pm

Turkish777X wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Look for TK to launch service to Xi'an and Xiamen in China. China just authorized additional service points as a result of Sichuan Airlines and China Southern launching new IST services. Authorized weekly frequencies between countries will rise to 60+ in 2-years.

Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.


Is there any link for official or more info?


https://www.dailysabah.com/economy/2019 ... tion-areas

A quick search yielded this. My Turkish friends had told me that this newspaper is practically a government bulletin.
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:19 pm

Yes not sure Nevsehir very practical but maybe Kayseri would be better option instead. A bigger airport with more exist services including international ones, and not too distant from Cappadocia.

But regardless increased connectivity and frequencies with China is good to see.
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:28 pm

Uşak airport reported by CH Aviation to be losing its last scheduled service. Presumably Kütahya is to be the next best airport
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:13 pm

I thought TK is flying to Usak regularly?
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:22 pm

Last year in summer Pegasus flew to Uşak from SAW but then cancelled it. Right now Turkish is flying to USQ 3 times weekly with 738. I don't think that they'll terminate it that fast
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:51 pm

TK access to Xiamen and Xian would be interesting and give them a unique market advantage for connections.

Xian (home to the Terracotta Army) is only serviced by Finnair seasonally, while Xiamen only has KLM as European carrier.

I wonder if TK will also gain additional frequencies to PVG and PEK also?
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:11 pm

A quick search on the A321neo range map on the Airbus site shows that Beijing is just about reachable from Nevsehir using an A321neo. It's probably more complicated than that so I don't quite believe that it can be done.

Also, an airline could also add a quick stopover, like how TK flies a 737 to Ulaanbaatar via Bishkek.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:35 pm

Amadeus shows direct flights between IST and Strasbourg from late may :

TK 1455 IST 835 - 1045 SXB 1---5-- 32S/737
TK 1455 IST 1530 - 1740 SXB --3---7 32S/737

TK 1456 SXB 1140 - 1530 IST 1---5-- 32S/737
TK 1456 SXB 1835 - 2225 IST --3---7 32S/737
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FRA-DTW (DL) / DTW-LAS (DL) / LAS-SLC (DL) / SLC-AMS (DL) / AMS-FRA (KL)
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:11 pm

The better option is to launch direct service from China to Ankara so this can support a year-round operation. ESB is the only airport in the vicinity that can support and supplement year-round flight. Actually the loads to/from ESB ex China is remarkable on its own too.

LAXintl wrote:
Look for TK to launch service to Xi'an and Xiamen in China. China just authorized additional service points as a result of Sichuan Airlines and China Southern launching new IST services. Authorized weekly frequencies between countries will rise to 60+ in 2-years.

Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:23 pm

Saw a post today that WOW Air's TF-SKY A321N is going to Onur Air and is being painted in Malta right now.

AtlasGlobal has debuted its new crew outfits today. I kinda like it. Looks more modern and elegant.
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:20 am

ankaraflyjet wrote:
The better option is to launch direct service from China to Ankara so this can support a year-round operation. ESB is the only airport in the vicinity that can support and supplement year-round flight. Actually the loads to/from ESB ex China is remarkable on its own too.

LAXintl wrote:
Look for TK to launch service to Xi'an and Xiamen in China. China just authorized additional service points as a result of Sichuan Airlines and China Southern launching new IST services. Authorized weekly frequencies between countries will rise to 60+ in 2-years.

Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.


Could we maybe see someone like Onur or KK launch ESB-China flights or is it too adventurous for them?
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:00 am

Blerg wrote:
ankaraflyjet wrote:
The better option is to launch direct service from China to Ankara so this can support a year-round operation. ESB is the only airport in the vicinity that can support and supplement year-round flight. Actually the loads to/from ESB ex China is remarkable on its own too.

LAXintl wrote:
Look for TK to launch service to Xi'an and Xiamen in China. China just authorized additional service points as a result of Sichuan Airlines and China Southern launching new IST services. Authorized weekly frequencies between countries will rise to 60+ in 2-years.

Also interestingly Chinese airlines want to add direct service Nevsehir, as Cappadocia is the 2nd most visited location in Turkey for Chinese tourist which numbered 400,000 in 2018 with goal of raising that to 1,000,000 by 2022.


Could we maybe see someone like Onur or KK launch ESB-China flights or is it too adventurous for them?


I could see Onur Air launching ESB-China flights but not AtlasGlobal if they'll have a cooperation with China Southern especially.
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:18 am

I also like the new uniforms, but even more the fact that these were designed by students of two universities in Izmir. Sure, one can spend lots of money with globally known designers and brands; however, this approach is definately highly welcomed and quite refreshing IMHO.

regarding China: during the very same event Atlas CEO Murat Ersoy actually mentioned that they have plans in China since they are currently receiving widebody planes.
there is a lot of potential and an airline like KK (or for this matter also 8Q) is quite suitable to serve the market due to the previously mentioned fact of package-tour business ex. China.
Currently unserved large Chinese cities/metropolitan areas ex. Turkey are:
Tianjin (TSN)
Shenzhen (SZX)
Chongqing (CKG)
Shenyang (SHE)
Wuhan (WUH)
Hangzhou (HGH)
and with only 2weekly flights Chengdu (CTU).

But, the Chinese tend to "support" their own airlines (e.g. Sichuan Airlines CTU-PRG-ZRH, also see this report https://www.anna.aero/2019/01/21/seat-capacity-europe-china-grows-137-10-years/); therefore, it will be a challenging terrain for any airline.
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:50 am

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I also like the new uniforms, but even more the fact that these were designed by students of two universities in Izmir. Sure, one can spend lots of money with globally known designers and brands; however, this approach is definately highly welcomed and quite refreshing IMHO.

regarding China: during the very same event Atlas CEO Murat Ersoy actually mentioned that they have plans in China since they are currently receiving widebody planes.
there is a lot of potential and an airline like KK (or for this matter also 8Q) is quite suitable to serve the market due to the previously mentioned fact of package-tour business ex. China.
Currently unserved large Chinese cities/metropolitan areas ex. Turkey are:
Tianjin (TSN)
Shenzhen (SZX)
Chongqing (CKG)
Shenyang (SHE)
Wuhan (WUH)
Hangzhou (HGH)
and with only 2weekly flights Chengdu (CTU).

But, the Chinese tend to "support" their own airlines (e.g. Sichuan Airlines CTU-PRG-ZRH, also see this report https://www.anna.aero/2019/01/21/seat-capacity-europe-china-grows-137-10-years/); therefore, it will be a challenging terrain for any airline.


China Southern will start serving Wuhan from IST in June.
I'd add Urumqi to this list as well but it'd be politically less possible.
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:02 pm

Nice to see BOSTON getting the 789 for next year. They are doing well here at BOS, and your new airport is getting rave reviews even though I'm sure there will be teething problems.
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:20 pm

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Nice to see BOSTON getting the 789 for next year. They are doing well here at BOS, and your new airport is getting rave reviews even though I'm sure there will be teething problems.


Yes regarding to Airlineroute Montreal will also be upgraded from A333 to the 789. In the next year many A333s are going to be freed up, hope to see them on new long-haul routes and frequencies :D

Also, Turkish Airlines flew to Zongduldak for the first time today with TC-JLZ, one of the A319s :)
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:07 pm

emre787 wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
Nice to see BOSTON getting the 789 for next year. They are doing well here at BOS, and your new airport is getting rave reviews even though I'm sure there will be teething problems.


Yes regarding to Airlineroute Montreal will also be upgraded from A333 to the 789. In the next year many A333s are going to be freed up, hope to see them on new long-haul routes and frequencies :D

Also, Turkish Airlines flew to Zongduldak for the first time today with TC-JLZ, one of the A319s :)


Maybe those A333s that are going to be freed up will be used to replace some of the A332s that are about to leave?
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:41 pm

Considering arrival of 789 and 359 s, there will be plenty of freed up333 and some 777s as well, inwonder where we will see addition frequencies or new routes, any cpmments
 
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:08 pm

Regarding the A332 that could be possible if the range of the long haul flights allow it. I personally would like TK to lease 788s to replace them but time will tell of course.

I don't think any 777 are going to be freed up because TK still needs these capacities in countries like China and Canada. Also the 3 ex Kenya 77W are going to leave the fleet soon which have been massive with it's 400 seats and a real relief on the routes to LHR, DXB, BOM and DEL.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:32 am

Alsatian wrote:
Amadeus shows direct flights between IST and Strasbourg from late may :

TK 1455 IST 835 - 1045 SXB 1---5-- 32S/737
TK 1455 IST 1530 - 1740 SXB --3---7 32S/737

TK 1456 SXB 1140 - 1530 IST 1---5-- 32S/737
TK 1456 SXB 1835 - 2225 IST --3---7 32S/737


There is a word about some A330s on this route as well during the peak travel times in July and August, when the summer holidays in both France and nearby Germany are kicking in!

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Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:23 am

Turkish Airlines first 789 TC-LLA LN865 is scheduled to be loaded for final assembly on Tuesday 30th April and is due for roll out of final assembly on the 15th of May.

The second 789 LN873 for Turkish Airlines, parts should start arriving at PAE within the next week

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:26 am

Actually ordering some 788 and 781 would definitely makes sense particularly 788s
788 could be used for thin long routes, route opener and used for frequency to west coast of America and may be oneday for denver. Vancouver, dfw and long african and cis destinations but they decided to go with 789
781 could be used for trunk routes as well
I think nma would be a great machine for tk as well but who knows
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:13 pm

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Actually ordering some 788 and 781 would definitely makes sense particularly 788s
788 could be used for thin long routes, route opener and used for frequency to west coast of America and may be oneday for denver. Vancouver, dfw and long african and cis destinations but they decided to go with 789
781 could be used for trunk routes as well
I think nma would be a great machine for tk as well but who knows


Yes i have the same thoughts. The NMA/797 could actually be a nice addition for replacing A330s on shorthaul flights while increasing the frequency if possible or also open up new mid range routes to smaller cities where an A321neo or 737-9 have not enough range :D

Also regarding the Uşak flights, I just saw a tweet from TK HelpDesk that the flights are going to resume again after the completion of maintenance and expansion works at the airport.

https://twitter.com/TK_HelpDesk/status/ ... 03649?s=09
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:30 pm

Anyone know why the pax are deplaned by bus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbEXpanE3nk&t=0s
 
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Anyone know why the pax are deplaned by bus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbEXpanE3nk&t=0s


The jet bridges aren't functioning properly.
 
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HeyTK wrote:
Anyone know why the pax are deplaned by bus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbEXpanE3nk&t=0s


The jet bridges aren't functioning properly.


All of them?
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:58 pm

Or, it could be that this plane just arrived from a Domestic flight and parked at B1, an international gate. That is why they are bussed to the Domestic Pier.
 
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https://twitter.com/BilalEksiTHY/status ... 3340387328
This is TK's Bilal Eksi's tweet of landing TK flight to Zonguldak. Are they coming in a bit too steep? To my eyes, it looks like 4 whites ??? :)
 
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Or, it could be that this plane just arrived from a Domestic flight and parked at B1, an international gate. That is why they are bussed to the Domestic Pier.


Yeah it came from Antalya
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:21 pm

The jet bridges aren't functioning properly.


This is a misleading statement! :(

In fact, all the jetways (=airbridges=passenger boarding bridges) manufactured and installed by Thyssen of Germany are totally o.k., totally functioning. Nothing is wrong with them!

What did go wrong (and totally, not in one-two-several cases; in all 114 of them!) is for the VDGS (=Visual Docking Guidance System), designed and manufactured/installed by the famous USA company named Honeywell. They introduced a new design which has not been ever fully used in any airport and IGA was foolish enough by accepting to be the guinea pig. As I have said, none of the 114 VDGS units from Honeywell properly worked: these simply couldn't locate the incoming (approaching) aircraft. They tried to rectify the case but could find no remedy for a whole year or so! :mad: :mad:

Consequently, IGA had to let go of Honeywell, and re-sourced the system from the Swedish vendor ADB SafeGate. Now 18 SafeGate VDGS are installed
in the G-Pier (domestic pier) and fully working. But it looks like it will take a rather long time (like 12-14 months) to set up all 114. Therefore, currently all international incoming aircraft are docked by marshellers! :banghead:

The ""bussing" situation is exactly as TK787 has explained. If the incoming plane is on a domestic flight but will switch to an international one afterwards, they park near to the international gate (w/o and prior docking to the dedicated jetway), disembark the passengers and then dock to the jetway to board the international pax. The domestic wing (Pier-G) is situated at the very southeast end of the terminal and they have no luxury to re-shift the plane from Pier-G area to the other 4 Piers' area (which are the international ones).

It's simply a bad (but perhaps unavoidable) terminal design. :oops:
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:08 pm

Yes this happened to me at old IST as well, arrival from ADB (domestic) to an international gate with a 77W. Had to take the bus to the domestic terminal.
I wonder if they do this all the time or only when they need to turn the a/c around very quickly. Because they use WBs on domestic routes quite often.
 
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I wonder if they do this all the time or only when they need to turn the a/c around very quickly. Because they use WBs on domestic routes quite often.

I believe TK does this all the time (and not limited with WBs), whenever they have the plane arriving from domestic but will continue to international. They simply refrain from moving that plane from one terminal to the other. Whether or not, the turn around time is short or not! But another fact is that it may be advantageous to be bussed in this way, in the New Istanbul AP. If the plane docks to one of the very southeast gates at Pier-G (the domestic pier), you may have to walk a rather long distance, possibly 600-700 mt. with ups and downs, until you reach the baggage claim hall. If you are bussed, you will reach there without that jogging.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:41 am

mafaky wrote:
The jet bridges aren't functioning properly.


The ""bussing" situation is exactly as TK787 has explained. If the incoming plane is on a domestic flight but will switch to an international one afterwards, they park near to the international gate (w/o and prior docking to the dedicated jetway), disembark the passengers and then dock to the jetway to board the international pax. The domestic wing (Pier-G) is situated at the very southeast end of the terminal and they have no luxury to re-shift the plane from Pier-G area to the other 4 Piers' area (which are the international ones).

It's simply a bad (but perhaps unavoidable) terminal design. :oops:


I experienced this exact situation a few days ago an thought it was very strange. We were bussed from the domestic gates to B gates on departure, and bussed from the inner F gates to domestic arrival on return. Of course I understand the reasoning, but don't feel very convinced that there is no reasonable alternative. I wonder if minimizing the transfer of aircraft from domestic to international operations so regularly would decrease this occurrence or even if there could be a pathway for arrivals to F gates to quickly get into the domestic arrivals section within the terminal, or even a rule that a domestic arriving aircraft moving on to an international departure has to dock at F gates so that the bussing distance is minimal. Perhaps this is not though to be worth the hassle, but to passengers the recurring blabber was that we are back with the Ataturk bussing nonsense, and it did indeed for that moment feel exactly the same as the old airport, especially since they are the same busses. :)

On a different note, the space of the terminal is really amazing and the experience is a totally different one. I personally don't mind all the walking as the space is fair comfortable and there is a lot of pedestrian spotting to be done, the fun thing about Istanbul is the uncommon airlines that fly there and the diverse fleet TK operates. There is an IGA lounge used by currently all other airlines, however there seems to be a SkyTeam lounge under construction, it is also on all the airport maps. No sign of a priority pass lounge or anything for EK, HSBC, etc, so quite a different set up than Ataturk so far, which lost its SkyTeam lounge in the last months.

Noticed a few signage issues, in piers A and G gate '11' disappear from the signs at some point. It is not difficult to know where it is if you can count, but just strange. Also no signs for the IGA lounge and the maneuvering to the food court area is a little weird. I also noticed the significant topography mentioned on the airport thread a couple of weeks ago, it is very noticeably during taxiing, which was never shorter than 20mins during my few flights in the past month. The approach is cleaner and clearly more efficient than the old airport, but it is still slow, and the combination of long approach and even longer taxi times make short flights to/from the airport a little humorous. Beautiful view of the city on arrival and departure, so there is that.

Very excited to see how this airport will age in the coming 5-10 years.
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:33 am

Omani LCC SalamAir launching service to Istanbul and Trabzon.

SAW begins July 3rd and seasonal TZX begins July 1st.
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:49 am

I am surprised that nobody mentioned this yet but according to sources, Sun Express has leased a B747 Jumbo!!! The first 747 for commercial ops in Turkish history? They are to start operations next week, between Antalya and German destinations.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:00 am

HeyTK wrote:
I am surprised that nobody mentioned this yet but according to sources, Sun Express has leased a B747 Jumbo!!! The first 747 for commercial ops in Turkish history? They are to start operations next week, between Antalya and German destinations.


Hey, this was just made news at a local site. Here's the link (sorry, it's in Turkish...).

https://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik- ... yacak.html

However, this is not going to be a longish term lease: it's going to expire in just one month's time!... :cry:
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:38 am

One month doesnt make much sense. Does this mean that the aircraft wont even be painted in the SX colors? I expected it atleast to be 3 months, for the summer season.. What about the crew? Will they be wet leased from another company? Or trained specially for this new aircraft type?
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:53 am

LAXintl wrote:
Omani LCC SalamAir launching service to Istanbul and Trabzon.

SAW begins July 3rd and seasonal TZX begins July 1st.


Looks like it will be another busy year for Arabs visiting Turkey.

On another site saw that Jazeera Airways launching SAW on June 15th. They will also be serving Bodrum seasonally this year.
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:02 am

AtlasGlobal has put their 2nd A330 into service. The 3rd is at saw being painted.

Also according to Turkish news sources, ANA is in talks to start operations to the new airport!
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Re: Turkish Aviation April 2019

Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:02 am

HeyTK wrote:
I am surprised that nobody mentioned this yet but according to sources, Sun Express has leased a B747 Jumbo!!! The first 747 for commercial ops in Turkish history? They are to start operations next week, between Antalya and German destinations.


Such short term ACMI leases have occured over the years.
I recall Birgenair leased KLM 747 for a season. Also TK back before it had large wide-bodies has leased various models including 747 capacity in past for Hadj.
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