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Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:58 am
by kelvin933
Icelandair has leased in two additional 767 aircraft until September 2019 to partly replace the grounded 737MAX aircraft that are grounded.
The airline is also actively looking for a 3rd 767 aircraft.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:07 am
by IWMBH
What is your source?

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:10 am
by kelvin933

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:11 am
by hvusslax
IWMBH wrote:
What is your source?


It's being reported in Icelandic media: http://www.ruv.is/frett/icelandair-leig ... reidthotur

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:11 am
by IWMBH
kelvin933 wrote:


Thank you! Just curious where they are leasing them, the article doesn't say.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:18 am
by Bobloblaw
April fools. You’re funny

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:44 am
by SRQKEF
Bobloblaw wrote:
April fools. You’re funny


Huh? This is confirmed news, Icelandair just informed the Icelandic stock market.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:48 am
by Bobloblaw
SRQKEF wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
April fools. You’re funny


Huh? This is confirmed news, Icelandair just informed the Icelandic stock market.

Never underestimate how far some people will go on April 1st.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:51 am
by SRQKEF
Bobloblaw wrote:
SRQKEF wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
April fools. You’re funny


Huh? This is confirmed news, Icelandair just informed the Icelandic stock market.

Never underestimate how far some people will go on April 1st.


Well, that's true. Some of those threads today have been abhorrently bad.

However, in this case this is true. Icelandair are indeed leasing 2 extra 767s until September and is looking for the 3rd one.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:54 pm
by davidjohnson6
Anyone know from whom they are leasing the 767s ? Are they a dry lease (ie Icelandair operated) or a wet lease (operated by another airline) ?

If the 767s are to be operated by an airline other than Icelandair, and that airline happens to be relatively unusual, I might find myself needing to go to Reykjavik over the spring :-)

Yes I know there are all sorts of damp leases...

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:56 pm
by GEUltraFan9XGTF
I hope Boeing is paying for them.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:58 pm
by IWMBH
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Anyone know from whom they are leasing the 767s ? Are they a dry lease (ie Icelandair operated) or a wet lease (operated by another airline) ?

If the 767s are to be operated by an airline other than Icelandair, and that airline happens to be relatively unusual, I might find myself needing to go to Reykjavik over the spring :-)

Yes I know there are all sorts of damp leases...


This. How many airlines can offer 2 767's on such short notice?

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:12 pm
by SRQKEF
I've heard from reliable sources these are EuroAtlantic birds, the 2-class 262 seat description also fits that. Not sure if the potential 3rd one is as well.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:12 pm
by MO11
Eastern.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:28 pm
by outbackair
Why would anyone think it's an April Fools joke? There's a clear link posted. Not funny at all as they obviously need capacity.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:30 pm
by SQ789
Bobloblaw wrote:
April fools. You’re funny

It's real. Because the airline is suffering most problems following the MAX grounding.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:41 pm
by readytotaxi
Shame they just missed out on the two B767 BA retired just recently.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:56 pm
by psimpson
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Anyone know from whom they are leasing the 767s ? Are they a dry lease (ie Icelandair operated) or a wet lease (operated by another airline) ?

If the 767s are to be operated by an airline other than Icelandair, and that airline happens to be relatively unusual, I might find myself needing to go to Reykjavik over the spring :-)

Yes I know there are all sorts of damp leases...


From the 262 seating capacity, it would be 767s from EuroAtlantic Airways.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:09 am
by seabosdca
Ouch. 2-4-2 in Y. That's going to make a lot of customers unhappy.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:13 am
by Elementalism
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Anyone know from whom they are leasing the 767s ? Are they a dry lease (ie Icelandair operated) or a wet lease (operated by another airline) ?

If the 767s are to be operated by an airline other than Icelandair, and that airline happens to be relatively unusual, I might find myself needing to go to Reykjavik over the spring :-)

Yes I know there are all sorts of damp leases...


I was checking tickets to Paris for the airshow and a 767 is servicing MSP. I can only assume this is one of them? I believe Icelandair was using a 757-200 + Max 8 at MSP.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:23 am
by Thunderbolt500
Why not a 787

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:23 am
by SRQKEF
seabosdca wrote:
Ouch. 2-4-2 in Y. That's going to make a lot of customers unhappy.


However, it's 1-2-1 lieflat in J, so those customers are happy! Hopefully that includes me on the 767 to BOS next week ;)

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:24 am
by Elementalism
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Why not a 787


Id assume lack of qualified pilots\crew? They dont have a 787 in the fleet while they have a couple or more 767s.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:31 am
by smokeybandit
Couldn't they have leased a few fellow Icelandic A320s in a purple livery?

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:35 am
by leleko747
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Why not a 787


I don't think there are 787s available for immediate leasing like the jobs done by Euro Atlantic, HiFly, Wamos Air, etc.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:11 am
by juliuswong
psimpson wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Anyone know from whom they are leasing the 767s ? Are they a dry lease (ie Icelandair operated) or a wet lease (operated by another airline) ?

If the 767s are to be operated by an airline other than Icelandair, and that airline happens to be relatively unusual, I might find myself needing to go to Reykjavik over the spring :-)

Yes I know there are all sorts of damp leases...


From the 262 seating capacity, it would be 767s from EuroAtlantic Airways.

The two leased bird should be CS-TKR AND CS-TKS. Both are in 262 (C16Y246) configuration, ex-KQ birds.

They are the best among 767s that EuroAtlantic has, having Thompson Vantage J class and Mirius Y seats.

Seat Map here: https://www.euroatlantic.pt/wp-content/ ... ks_tkt.pdf

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:28 am
by bcbhokie
Oh golly, I didn't know you could shove 2-4-2 on a 767. Sounds miserable.

C looks nice, though. Should be an interesting experiment for Icelandair on the merits of offering a nicer seat in Saga class...

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:06 am
by Thunderbolt500
Is this for real or is this a april fools joke

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:07 am
by Thunderbolt500
Is this for real or is this a april fools joke

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:08 am
by spinkid
They need them fast. That's why they took these, quite possibly as wet leases, so they can get them into service ASAP.
Norwegian is having to use an A330 on their SWF-DUB route from Evelop Airlines.
I would imagine there is quite the scramble to find available aircraft right now.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:43 am
by strangeplanes
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Is this for real or is this a april fools joke

It is very real.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:59 am
by lavalampluva
Looks like they’ll be using the 767 at least at BOS, ORD, and MSP this summer. Maybe more cities.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:05 am
by aemoreira1981
readytotaxi wrote:
Shame they just missed out on the two B767 BA retired just recently.


Eastern in the USA operates four similar B763 frames that are Qantas-configured (J30Y214), but do they have an EU foreign carrier permit? And are those already accounted for?

As per the link, Icelandair is looking for a third 767 as well. If it's CS-TKR/S, CS-TKS was leased capacity for LOT for a good while last summer. FI is short about 20 percent of total seat capacity as they were relying on the B38M and B39M. (At least EuroAtlantic configures the planes itself, unlike Hi Fly, who keeps the prior operator's configuration.)

As for Norwegian, they're using a Y388 plane (the densest 2-4-2 configuration in the world) to sub for two Y189 flights on SWF-DUB (EC-MII just ferried from Madrid to Dublin for that).

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:19 am
by 1989worstyear
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Why not a 787


Another believer in the 1988 Factor.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:27 am
by zkncj
Are there still any other 767-319ER’s ex NZ still sitting in ASP waiting for new owner?

All of there currently 767s are 319ER’s ex NZ.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:29 am
by juliuswong
aemoreira1981 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
Shame they just missed out on the two B767 BA retired just recently.


Eastern in the USA operates four similar B763 frames that are Qantas-configured (J30Y214), but do they have an EU foreign carrier permit? And are those already accounted for?

As per the link, Icelandair is looking for a third 767 as well. If it's CS-TKR/S, CS-TKS was leased capacity for LOT for a good while last summer. FI is short about 20 percent of total seat capacity as they were relying on the B38M and B39M. (At least EuroAtlantic configures the planes itself, unlike Hi Fly, who keeps the prior operator's configuration.)

As for Norwegian, they're using a Y388 plane (the densest 2-4-2 configuration in the world) to sub for two Y189 flights on SWF-DUB (EC-MII just ferried from Madrid to Dublin for that).

I think 2-4-2 A330 is still manageable compared to 3-3-3 A330. 388 is 52 seats away from max. capacity 440. Cebu Pacific and Lion Air configuration are a killer.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:35 am
by juliuswong
zkncj wrote:
Are there still any other 767-319ER’s ex NZ still sitting in ASP waiting for new owner?

All of there currently 767s are 319ER’s ex NZ.

No more, all three previously stored at ASP have gone for freighter conversion as we speak.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:23 am
by OB1504
1989worstyear wrote:
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Why not a 787


Another believer in the 1988 Factor.


You are the most dedicated troll in Airliners.net history.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:44 am
by debonair
juliuswong wrote:
The two leased bird should be CS-TKR AND CS-TKS. Both are in 262 (C16Y246) configuration, ex-KQ birds.


Aren't those planes the ex trouble maker at LOT Polish Airlines, with delays, cancellations and unhappy customers?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1409535

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:57 am
by bennett123
The problem with the 737MAX isn’t just the aircraft not being delivered.

There is also the lack of availability of the aircraft that they would have replaced and those older aircraft will likely need extra MX time. Especially if they were due to be retired shortly before a Major check was due.

Also with WN, who were due to get the B737MAX, there are reasons linked to type ratings which prevent re activation of B737-300. Ditto AA with the MD80.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:17 am
by juliuswong
debonair wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
The two leased bird should be CS-TKR AND CS-TKS. Both are in 262 (C16Y246) configuration, ex-KQ birds.


Aren't those planes the ex trouble maker at LOT Polish Airlines, with delays, cancellations and unhappy customers?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1409535

Oh dear, I didn't know it was this bad. From photo those cabin looks nice and decent. Good luck to passengers.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:26 am
by mjoelnir
debonair wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
The two leased bird should be CS-TKR AND CS-TKS. Both are in 262 (C16Y246) configuration, ex-KQ birds.


Aren't those planes the ex trouble maker at LOT Polish Airlines, with delays, cancellations and unhappy customers?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1409535


I can not find anything in that thread about cancellations or delays because of problems with the frames, I read about scheduling problems.

I understand passengers not being over joyed with the narrow seats, small pitch and limited recline if this frames are used on long haul, but I assume Icelandair will not use them on LH, but on shorter flights to hubs.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:29 am
by zkncj
debonair wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
The two leased bird should be CS-TKR AND CS-TKS. Both are in 262 (C16Y246) configuration, ex-KQ birds.


Aren't those planes the ex trouble maker at LOT Polish Airlines, with delays, cancellations and unhappy customers?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1409535


I think the same could be said for any of the emgency leases recently to cover the 787/737MAX issues.

For example HiFlys 343s were publicity hated and trushed in the media by NZ’s passengers. At the end of the day it’s either get you from A to B safely or cancelle your flight.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:34 am
by JannEejit
Is using 767 capacity to replace 737-8 Max capacity also to do with filling in the WOW void, or why aren't they leasing 737-800's for example ?

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:43 am
by mjoelnir
JannEejit wrote:
Is using 767 capacity to replace 737-8 Max capacity also to do with filling in the WOW void, or why aren't they leasing 737-800's for example ?


I assume Icelandair is leasing 767 because they are available. If 737-800 or 757 would be available they would lease them too. They have 737MAX pilots sitting around.

I assume they will use the extra 767 on the thick routes, like LHR, CPH, AMS, SEA and cut frequencies, using the 757-200 for thinner routes, cutting all routes that do not carry a 757-200.

It is really a double whammy. WOW dropping out and the unavailability of the MAX. FI could have cashed inn.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:01 am
by juliuswong
mjoelnir wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Is using 767 capacity to replace 737-8 Max capacity also to do with filling in the WOW void, or why aren't they leasing 737-800's for example ?


I assume Icelandair is leasing 767 because they are available. If 737-800 or 757 would be available they would lease them too. They have 737MAX pilots sitting around.

I assume they will use the extra 767 on the thick routes, like LHR, CPH, AMS, SEA and cut frequencies, using the 757-200 for thinner routes, cutting all routes that do not carry a 757-200.

It is really a double whammy. WOW dropping out and the unavailability of the MAX. FI could have cashed inn.

The recent bankruptcies of smaller scheduled or charter airline like Primera, Cobalt, Small Planet Airlines and Germania also hasten the lack of spare availability. There should be more spare aircraft lying around, but lessors repossessed their assets fast to avoid entangled in court battle and most older aircraft are sent for scrapping. Wow Air aircraft are now subjected to court proceedings so they can't touch those. Even if they could, it is a totally different fleet, Boeing vs. Airbus. Need to set up or hire a third party to handle operation from ground up.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:11 am
by SRQKEF
lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like they’ll be using the 767 at least at BOS, ORD, and MSP this summer. Maybe more cities.


JFK, IAD and SFO as well, along with various European cities

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:50 am
by AirNovaBAe146
Omni Air in the US has ~10 B767s, including a few older -200s, that do passenger-carrying ACMI work, as well as three B777s. Many of their airplanes are spoken for with various US military passenger carrying flights, but they serve all types of clients from pop up work to sports charters. I suspect they are getting extra work because of the Max situation

https://www.oai.aero/

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Omni-Ai ... zoOL5TGjBu

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:18 pm
by IWMBH
Is there anymore news regarding the lessor? Can't find any news source that mention where they get the 767's from.

Re: Icelandair leases two 767s for extra lift during 737MAX grounding

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:25 pm
by arcticcruiser
IWMBH wrote:
Is there anymore news regarding the lessor? Can't find any news source that mention where they get the 767's from.


Well if you read the thread it is in there. Post #26.