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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:38 am

alasizon wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
Wonder what the chances are of them securing at least two slots at PAE, or does AS have rights to all?


Between AS and UA, all the slots are spoken for.


UA still has the three slots they vacated when they discontinued the SFO-PAE route. UA also has the three slots for the PAE-DEN route, in which they fly only 1 at this time. AS has the rest of them.

From what I remember, the only way additional slots can be granted is if an airline is willing to pay for another environmental study for additional flights.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:26 pm

New startup Avelo Air (BUR) pilot pay (737-800):
Year CA FO
1 $76.00 $41.07
2 83.00 47.00
3. 88.00 50.00
4 93.00 53.00

https://twitter.com/aviatorwriting/stat ... 34178?s=21

Yikes. You get better salary at a regional, and you get a union contract. But with how dire the pilot hiring industry has been the last year, I’m sure these spots will be filled. Until the regionals start hiring en masse again. Then they make have problems.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:42 pm

The majors will be hiring en mass by the end of the year. Retirements from now through at least the next decade are off the charts.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:51 pm

flyoregon wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
Of the Pacific Northwest cities announced (specifically Oregon), EUG, MFR, and RDM all have service to/from the LA area. Not saying Avelo won’t work, but Salem seems like it would have been a smarter choice with more potential. No competition, good sized catchment area, and a good PDX alternative to go to Southern California. Granted, facilities in Salem are pathetic and could use some updating, but for a low cost startup airline, that keeps costs down for operations and passengers.

Can SLE even support a 737 operation? (runway length, jetbridge, etc.).


I know there have been a few military charters on 737s from Salem with Sun Country and I want to say I’ve seen pictures of Sierra Pacific in and out of there years ago. But with a relatively short stage length like SLE to BUR, I think a 737 could do it, but not positive.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Sun-Cou ... 01Ww%3D%3D


UA flew 737's to SLE up into the early 70's, albeit very short routes (EUG & PDX).
 
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Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:11 pm

ZazuPIT wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Can SLE even support a 737 operation? (runway length, jetbridge, etc.).


I know there have been a few military charters on 737s from Salem with Sun Country and I want to say I’ve seen pictures of Sierra Pacific in and out of there years ago. But with a relatively short stage length like SLE to BUR, I think a 737 could do it, but not positive.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Sun-Cou ... 01Ww%3D%3D


UA flew 737's to SLE up into the early 70's, albeit very short routes (EUG & PDX).


For a very long time UA stopped twice a day in SLE. The routing changed once or twice minorly, the milk run was SEA-PDX-SLE-MFR-SFO or GEG-PDX-SLE-EUG-SFO. Connecting flights to PDT & BOI or SLC, could be made. UA did a good job of landing in up to 6 Oregon cities. The 737-200 was a great fit & SLE's runway is capable with the 738, an aircraft which can depart LIH or OGG fully loaded to the West Coast.
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:39 pm

RWA380 wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:
flyoregon wrote:

I know there have been a few military charters on 737s from Salem with Sun Country and I want to say I’ve seen pictures of Sierra Pacific in and out of there years ago. But with a relatively short stage length like SLE to BUR, I think a 737 could do it, but not positive.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Sun-Cou ... 01Ww%3D%3D


UA flew 737's to SLE up into the early 70's, albeit very short routes (EUG & PDX).


For a very long time UA stopped twice a day in SLE. The routing changed once or twice minorly, the milk run was SEA-PDX-SLE-MFR-SFO or GEG-PDX-SLE-EUG-SFO. Connecting flights to PDT & BOI or SLC, could be made. UA did a good job of landing in up to 6 Oregon cities. The 737-200 was a great fit & SLE's runway is capable with the 738, an aircraft which can depart LIH or OGG fully loaded to the West Coast.


Thanks for that history! I thought UA flew in there with 737's, but wasn't sure.

I think SLE could get Allegiant, Avelo, or Breeze and do just fine with the right destination. At less than daily, that's perfect to test the market and make it sustainable. Go to places like Las Vegas or LA, I feel like Salem would be a home-run.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:56 pm

MaxTrimm wrote:
New startup Avelo Air (BUR) pilot pay (737-800):
Year CA FO
1 $76.00 $41.07
2 83.00 47.00
3. 88.00 50.00
4 93.00 53.00

https://twitter.com/aviatorwriting/stat ... 34178?s=21

Yikes. You get better salary at a regional, and you get a union contract. But with how dire the pilot hiring industry has been the last year, I’m sure these spots will be filled. Until the regionals start hiring en masse again. Then they make have problems.


Thank you for sharing these horrific numbers. Insanity. My starting pay at Endeavor over 3 years ago was over $10 more than that! Absurd!
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:25 pm

Wneast wrote:
cruisezone wrote:
ChrisPBacon wrote:

I had not looked but it appears they do, starting in June. So this whole PSC thing may be a ruse if Avelo is truly only entering unserved markets.

I believe Avelo is also looking at PHX, so PSC-PHX is a possibility since it is not currently served.

I’m sorry but does anybody even want to go to PSC there not really a tourist or have anything to offer


Full disclosure…I am a Pasco resident and former Southern Californian.

PSC serves the communities of Pasco, Kennewick, & Richland (the “Tri-Cities”) plus the greater area. The immediate Tri-Cities population is now over 300,000 with a $41m expansion to the airport completed in 2018. The new PSC facility is quite nice, far nicer than the hovel in BUR, which I’ve flown into twice in the last 30 days on AS having to connect in SEA. It was was stated pre-Covid the PSC airport was pulling in travelers from Yakima, Walla Walla, and north eastern Oregon in great numbers.

While I agree the Tri-Cities may not be a huge tourist destination we actually have quite a bit of wine tourism given we are the heart of Washington Wine Country, with over 200 wineries located within a 50 mile radius it is big business. The UA SFO-PSC flights are known as the wine flights, additionally PSC is one of the AS departure cities allowing one case of wine checked free of charge. The Tri-Cities is located at the confluence of the Columbia, Snake, and Yakima rivers that provide a range of water activities. With over 4,100 hotel rooms in the Tri-Cities the guests are getting here somehow.

More than a question of who would vacation here, it is the growing number of residents in our region traveling to southern California and other markets. The Tri-Cities has a median income of $72,773 (vs $66,111 for Burbank) and with our low cost of living that creates a tremendous amount of disposable income. Per the Pasco Port Authority, Southern California is the #1 destination for passengers departing PSC.

G4 has flights (some seasonal) from PSC to SAN, LAX, AZA, and LAS. With that level of service I’m sure XP is looking for their share.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:08 pm

Went to the Tri-Cities two days ago. Sunny, 60, and wind and blowing dust. Normal day lol. Saw many new developments since last time, and clerk at Circle K and I discussed the Calif influx. Terminal looked nice, but not much going on at 2pm. I think it'll do good enough for them.
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:45 pm


sunking737 wrote:
Does anyone know who in each station will be doing their ground handling?? I assume all catering, what ever they have, will be done at BUR??


Based on info I’ve seen (I have no inside info) :
+ There is minimal catering. No BOB mentioned, and no beverage service. Their Press info states= “All Customers will receive a convenience package containing a hand sanitizer, as well as a bottled water and small snack.” They can do their own service or use a contractor to do the minimal catering.
+ Ramp Services appears to be Company Staffed, as they are recruiting for these positions on their Careers tab
https://recruiting.paylocity.com/Recruiting/Jobs/Details/462907
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:44 pm

Thank you for the information. I worked for a MSP based airline they did in house catering from the very start. Once you got the routine down it took, no time to cater the front and back. We would always load down line stations at the same time. MSP-MCO-MSP, when the plane returned to MSP, it was MSP-LAX-MSP catering.
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:01 am

It looks like AS will provide direct competition to Avelo's BUR-STS service.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:50 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
It looks like AS will provide direct competition to Avelo's BUR-STS service.


Judging from the fares out of STS I've seen. I'm pretty sure the yields are pretty good*. As such, I could see AS wanting to protect their "turf" and not let an ULCC get a foot or even a toe hold there. Some people in Sonoma, Napa or Marin (to a point) Counties I'm sure are willing to (and do) pay a premium to use this very convenient airport. It beats the hell out of the drive to SFO or OAK.

* No, I do not have any official data except every time I've tried to book myself or anybody else to/from STS, the fares have always commanded a premium. So If someone wants to flame me with a "show me your data" reply....save your keystrokes.
 
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Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:31 am

MarkATL wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
It looks like AS will provide direct competition to Avelo's BUR-STS service.


Judging from the fares out of STS I've seen. I'm pretty sure the yields are pretty good*. As such, I could see AS wanting to protect their "turf" and not let an ULCC get a foot or even a toe hold there. Some people in Sonoma, Napa or Marin (to a point) Counties I'm sure are willing to (and do) pay a premium to use this very convenient airport. It beats the hell out of the drive to SFO or OAK.

* No, I do not have any official data except every time I've tried to book myself or anybody else to/from STS, the fares have always commanded a premium. So If someone wants to flame me with a "show me your data" reply....save your keystrokes.


LOL! Where's the data???

I think STS has a larger catchment area than people give it credit. Also, some of those communities are expanding, since people are trying to get out of City Centers. Anyway, I know there will be some mixing of travelers, but I think you'll see two different types of travelers flying Avelo vs. Alaska. Avelo has a little over a month to gain credibility with passengers. If they have sucky customer service and compulsive delays/cancellations, Avelo won't be around long at all.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:45 am

Are they going on OTAs like Expedia or Google flights? I can only find them on skyscanner and aveloair.com. (On Skyscanner, they are still listed as XTRA. Looks funky.
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Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:34 pm

Today the big day for the start of flight ops??
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Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:23 pm

sunking737 wrote:
Today the big day for the start of flight ops??


April 28th
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:08 pm

AntonioMartin wrote:
It's just Casino Express renamed...but with a new clientele focus.


No the only thing carried over from Xtra/casino express is the operating certificate, rather then avelo starting from the ground up they bought the existing TEM enterprises certificate, everything else is different management, ownership etc. Its basically a start up who purchased an operating certificate rather than go through a new certification process... similar to say compass, compass wasn't an extension of Atlantic coast or Independence air. They were a new airline who purchased the operating certificate of another carrier.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:19 am

Avelo's bookings have now been down for over 48 hours following the Radixx outage. Not great at all for an airline starting in just five days.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:02 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Avelo's bookings have now been down for over 48 hours following the Radixx outage. Not great at all for an airline starting in just five days.

Agreed, however you can't blame Avelo, other airlines have been down due to Radixx as well. Eastern Airlines, ZIPAIR, Air Belgium,

I wonder how much compensation Radixx will offer their clients due to this.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:27 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Avelo's bookings have now been down for over 48 hours following the Radixx outage. Not great at all for an airline starting in just five days.

Agreed, however you can't blame Avelo, other airlines have been down due to Radixx as well. Eastern Airlines, ZIPAIR, Air Belgium,

I wonder how much compensation Radixx will offer their clients due to this.


At the same time, Avelo and these other airlines had other options besides Radixx.

Assuming Radixx was a cheap option, these airlines are paying the price for not selecting a more reliable vendor.
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:30 pm

Boiler905 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Avelo's bookings have now been down for over 48 hours following the Radixx outage. Not great at all for an airline starting in just five days.

Agreed, however you can't blame Avelo, other airlines have been down due to Radixx as well. Eastern Airlines, ZIPAIR, Air Belgium,

I wonder how much compensation Radixx will offer their clients due to this.


At the same time, Avelo and these other airlines had other options besides Radixx.

Assuming Radixx was a cheap option, these airlines are paying the price for not selecting a more reliable vendor.


Exactly right.. Radixx is a horrible option, but it's generally the cheapest option and easiest startup for a new airline. Horrible support and horrible usability from the airline side though.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:45 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Avelo's bookings have now been down for over 48 hours following the Radixx outage. Not great at all for an airline starting in just five days.


Don't worry, California Pacific Airlines will assist them!
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:01 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
Agreed, however you can't blame Avelo, other airlines have been down due to Radixx as well. Eastern Airlines, ZIPAIR, Air Belgium,

I wonder how much compensation Radixx will offer their clients due to this.


Very little. In general, the agreements of all providers are setting a cap of compensation to the amount of fees actually paid by the carrier for the hosting services. Nothing comparable to the loss of revenue the airline suffered. They might be able to get a bit more out now that Radixx is part of Sabre, but still nothing even slightly comparable to the lost revenue and the extra cost caused by this. And have to say, this is a huge outage, which affected all their customers and the duration is unprecedented. Sure, all PSS have outages from time to time, but this one is just huge.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:35 pm

flyoregon wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:

UA flew 737's to SLE up into the early 70's, albeit very short routes (EUG & PDX).


For a very long time UA stopped twice a day in SLE. The routing changed once or twice minorly, the milk run was SEA-PDX-SLE-MFR-SFO or GEG-PDX-SLE-EUG-SFO. Connecting flights to PDT & BOI or SLC, could be made. UA did a good job of landing in up to 6 Oregon cities. The 737-200 was a great fit & SLE's runway is capable with the 738, an aircraft which can depart LIH or OGG fully loaded to the West Coast.


Thanks for that history! I thought UA flew in there with 737's, but wasn't sure.

I think SLE could get Allegiant, Avelo, or Breeze and do just fine with the right destination. At less than daily, that's perfect to test the market and make it sustainable. Go to places like Las Vegas or LA, I feel like Salem would be a home-run.


SLE's larger runway is 5,811 x 150. FWIW.... but AirNav says double wheel weight capacity is 147,000.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:48 pm

Boiler905 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Avelo's bookings have now been down for over 48 hours following the Radixx outage. Not great at all for an airline starting in just five days.

Agreed, however you can't blame Avelo, other airlines have been down due to Radixx as well. Eastern Airlines, ZIPAIR, Air Belgium,

I wonder how much compensation Radixx will offer their clients due to this.


At the same time, Avelo and these other airlines had other options besides Radixx.

Assuming Radixx was a cheap option, these airlines are paying the price for not selecting a more reliable vendor.


Radixx isn't the cheapest. They've got some great functionality and audit/reporting systems that do circles around others, including Navitaire. All the Tier 2 res systems tend to leap-frog eachother every couple of years (TTI, Videcom, AmeliaRes, HitIT, etc). At least they have good connectivity and NDC links. Just need to do something about that e-ticket database *hoping Sabre comes in and fixes that*

But every res system has been hit with outages, including Sabre. Plus, wasn't Ravn down for 2 days earlier in 2020 from a hacker? (( more than just res..))
xx
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:48 pm

I need to edit:

the Radixx hit is a lot deeper & bigger than anyone thought. Apparently its still down talking with friends who may or may not work there :P Even the backups were taken down.

Hopefully all the other res systems are paying attention!
xx
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:06 pm

The name "Avelo" will appear familiar to people from southern California who've traveled in Mexico. In the early 2000s there was an airline called "Avolar" and there's currently an airline called "Volaris". I don't know if this was intentional or accidental. The word read in English sounds odd but in Spanish it sounds like something that translates to, "oh, I flew". At first I even thought Volaris, whose doing very well, was starting an airline in the US. I know people will start calling them "Avole" not "Avelo". Also the sound of "Avelo" read in Spanish conjures the name of a famous funny man called "Chabelo" who acts like a buffoon and is subject to online memes. I hope their marketing people thought of these angles. I can already see the memes if they start having operational troubles.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:45 am

I doubt many will get confused in this. Probably if they know of one, they won't know of the others.
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:20 am

It's now been down for 4 days.
Next flights:
Who knows? :/
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:27 am

maps4ltd wrote:
It's now been down for 4 days.


Yeah...for those lucky to experience their inaugural flight, it's quite the unique experience. I was a pax on the official inaugural of very-short-lived CA Pacific Airlines.

I'm looking forward to seeing videos of the inaugural flights.
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:31 am

maps4ltd wrote:
It's now been down for 4 days.


This is becoming a huge disaster for all parties involved. They are bringing customers online one by one, but it seems to be a very slow process. I guess they will give priority to carriers which have live ops. Avelo might be one of the last in line
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:55 pm

Per tweet from Avelo, they were back up and running yesterday (Saturday)
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:09 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Per tweet from Avelo, they were back up and running yesterday (Saturday)

Their website is running at a glacial pace right now. Not sure if it doesn’t like that I’m not in the US, if it’s super busy, or if they’re still having issues.
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:51 pm

They’ve had a large number of cancellations for the inaugural BUR - STS and STS - BUR flights for 4/28. If you’re on one of these flights, they are no longer sold out.
Seat changes are confusing, just beware; you can change to a different seat at no charge if it’s the same price you paid for the original. They have too many seat types and too many price categories within the seat types IMO.

Still no FT Program, App, or Press Releases that are not a few weeks old. Hopefully it’s smoother sailing (flying) ahead.
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:58 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Avelo's bookings have now been down for over 48 hours following the Radixx outage. Not great at all for an airline starting in just five days.

Agreed, however you can't blame Avelo, other airlines have been down due to Radixx as well. Eastern Airlines, ZIPAIR, Air Belgium,

I wonder how much compensation Radixx will offer their clients due to this.


What airlines currently use Radixx for reservations?
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:12 pm

MaxTrimm wrote:
New startup Avelo Air (BUR) pilot pay (737-800):
Year CA FO
1 $76.00 $41.07
2 83.00 47.00
3. 88.00 50.00
4 93.00 53.00

https://twitter.com/aviatorwriting/stat ... 34178?s=21

Yikes. You get better salary at a regional, and you get a union contract. But with how dire the pilot hiring industry has been the last year, I’m sure these spots will be filled. Until the regionals start hiring en masse again. Then they make have problems.

It is always a tradeoff, and a casino bet....
And they obviously haven't had issues hiring, so those rates are "market".

If successful, those hired now will be management pilots or top-of-the-list senior in any base they choose in a few years. Never underestimate the value of QOL.
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:23 pm

flyoregon wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
What airlines currently use Radixx for reservations?


About 20, the most prominent would be airTransat, flyDubai (which self hosts), Peach and Zipair in Japan, Vietravel Airlines, Air Belgium, Eastern airways, Avelo, FlySafair and Fastjet in Africa.
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:55 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
MaxTrimm wrote:
New startup Avelo Air (BUR) pilot pay (737-800):
Year CA FO
1 $76.00 $41.07
2 83.00 47.00
3. 88.00 50.00
4 93.00 53.00

https://twitter.com/aviatorwriting/stat ... 34178?s=21

Yikes. You get better salary at a regional, and you get a union contract. But with how dire the pilot hiring industry has been the last year, I’m sure these spots will be filled. Until the regionals start hiring en masse again. Then they make have problems.

It is always a tradeoff, and a casino bet....
And they obviously haven't had issues hiring, so those rates are "market".

If successful, those hired now will be management pilots or top-of-the-list senior in any base they choose in a few years. Never underestimate the value of QOL.

I was thinking about the QOL.
You could easily live as far north as SLO or SMX, commute in on the Amtrak or Surfliner, and simply walk across the street to the terminal, if the set up is still the same as I remember it.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:59 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
MaxTrimm wrote:
New startup Avelo Air (BUR) pilot pay (737-800):
Year CA FO
1 $76.00 $41.07
2 83.00 47.00
3. 88.00 50.00
4 93.00 53.00

https://twitter.com/aviatorwriting/stat ... 34178?s=21

Yikes. You get better salary at a regional, and you get a union contract. But with how dire the pilot hiring industry has been the last year, I’m sure these spots will be filled. Until the regionals start hiring en masse again. Then they make have problems.

It is always a tradeoff, and a casino bet....
And they obviously haven't had issues hiring, so those rates are "market".

If successful, those hired now will be management pilots or top-of-the-list senior in any base they choose in a few years. Never underestimate the value of QOL.



Those rates are not “market”. Unless you mean the bottom of the market. And with the announcements of majors resuming hiring, the pool of applicants is going to dwindle quickly, if it ever was even that big to begin with. As a previous poster said, those rates are even below some Express carriers.

Know what the best QOL is? Job security. Something Avelo can’t provide for a while, no matter how senior.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:06 pm

Flightaware is showing an Avelo 737-800 flying BUR-PSC right now, but I thought the first revenue flight was scheduled for tomorrow. What is it doing, some kind of proving run?
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:42 pm

EssentialBusDC wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
MaxTrimm wrote:
New startup Avelo Air (BUR) pilot pay (737-800):
Year CA FO
1 $76.00 $41.07
2 83.00 47.00
3. 88.00 50.00
4 93.00 53.00

https://twitter.com/aviatorwriting/stat ... 34178?s=21

Yikes. You get better salary at a regional, and you get a union contract. But with how dire the pilot hiring industry has been the last year, I’m sure these spots will be filled. Until the regionals start hiring en masse again. Then they make have problems.

It is always a tradeoff, and a casino bet....
And they obviously haven't had issues hiring, so those rates are "market".

If successful, those hired now will be management pilots or top-of-the-list senior in any base they choose in a few years. Never underestimate the value of QOL.



Those rates are not “market”. Unless you mean the bottom of the market. And with the announcements of majors resuming hiring, the pool of applicants is going to dwindle quickly, if it ever was even that big to begin with. As a previous poster said, those rates are even below some Express carriers.

Know what the best QOL is? Job security. Something Avelo can’t provide for a while, no matter how senior.


According to what they’ve presented at pilot career fairs, those rates not even correct in the first place.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:42 pm

heavymetal wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
It is always a tradeoff, and a casino bet....
And they obviously haven't had issues hiring, so those rates are "market".

If successful, those hired now will be management pilots or top-of-the-list senior in any base they choose in a few years. Never underestimate the value of QOL.



Those rates are not “market”. Unless you mean the bottom of the market. And with the announcements of majors resuming hiring, the pool of applicants is going to dwindle quickly, if it ever was even that big to begin with. As a previous poster said, those rates are even below some Express carriers.

Know what the best QOL is? Job security. Something Avelo can’t provide for a while, no matter how senior.


According to what they’ve presented at pilot career fairs, those rates not even correct in the first place.


They posted it on the Future and Active Pilot Advisors website.

https://fapa.aero/profile/default.aspx?pid=8

Year FO CA
1 $55 $130
2 $85 $135
3 $90 $140
4 $100 $145
5 $105 $150
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:17 pm

heavymetal wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
It is always a tradeoff, and a casino bet....
And they obviously haven't had issues hiring, so those rates are "market".

If successful, those hired now will be management pilots or top-of-the-list senior in any base they choose in a few years. Never underestimate the value of QOL.



Those rates are not “market”. Unless you mean the bottom of the market. And with the announcements of majors resuming hiring, the pool of applicants is going to dwindle quickly, if it ever was even that big to begin with. As a previous poster said, those rates are even below some Express carriers.

Know what the best QOL is? Job security. Something Avelo can’t provide for a while, no matter how senior.


According to what they’ve presented at pilot career fairs, those rates not even correct in the first place.

Glad to hear. Still low but closer to what their competition will be (thinking Sun Country and Allegiant etc...)
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:29 pm

I just drove by BUR and there's two 800's sitting at B3 and B4.
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:00 pm

phllax wrote:
I just drove by BUR and there's two 800's sitting at B3 and B4.


Boarding should have started. Departure in 30 minutes
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:42 pm

First flight appears airborne and on-time.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VXP101
CaVOK
A300.310.319.320.321.332.333.343.B722.732.733.734.735.736.73G.738.739.742.74M.752.762.763.772.773.779.CR2.CR7.DC9.DC10.DH1.DH3.DH4.E135.E175. E195.MD83
 
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:11 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Many companies prefer clients not to use Amex due to their horrific fees to vendors.


Those companies have no reason to care about Amex fees to vendors. They care about spending management reporting. The price is the same whether Visa gets a 1.8% cut or Amex gets a 2.2% cut.


Incorrect, Amex fees lean towards 8% and Visa, Master are 4%. It adds up

Same with Expedia at 25-30% mark up and Booking.com at 15-17% who do you think vendors prefer? I can tell you where our company puts more inventory in.


I know this is off topic, but I find this stat interesting - thank you, BA744. Quick question - to compensate for the higher markup, is the inventory offered for sale through Expedia at higher fare buckets?
"The greatest mistake you can make in life is to continually be afraid you will make one." - Elbert Hubbard
 
32andBelow
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:24 pm

CFWAD wrote:
First flight appears airborne and on-time.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VXP101

So is anyone on it?
 
iAvgeek737
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Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:30 pm

32andBelow wrote:
CFWAD wrote:
First flight appears airborne and on-time.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VXP101

So is anyone on it?


quite a few people. Based off pictures and videos and a snippet from the CEOs speech, it seems the plane went out close to full

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