airlineworker wrote:

ScottB wrote:

drdisque wrote:

I'm sorry - I don't see HVN having enough traffic.

BWI is iffy because it definitely is driveable. MCO should be a slam dunk. Summer seasonal MDW might work in the future.

Yeah, I don't see the market for HVN-ILM. CT has beaches that are probably comparable to NC beaches and the viable beach season in NC is not that much longer. HVN doesn't work as an alternate for NYC.

And I agree on BWI as well. If you're going to have to rent a car at either end, you're gonna be a lot better-off driving and going on your own schedule, particularly if you're going to or from somewhere closer to DC.

The beaches in CT are on Long Island sound. Not comparable to beaches on the Atlantic. The sound's water quality is not as good as the Atlantic. I lived for many years in a CT shoreline town and always looked forward to going to the Caribbean every year to enjoy pristine water. CT does not have that. HVN works as an alternative to BDL.

ctavgeek33 wrote:

Is a sixth plane coming this summer to HVN? I recall hearing that six planes were to be based there. 5 planes seems pretty low for the number of destinations and frequencies.

dabpit wrote:

In addition to HVN, CHS, BWI, and ILM.
Possible options are ERI (Erie), BHM (Birmingham), GRB (Green Bay), JAN (Jackson MS), ORH (Worcester), and BTR (Baton Rouge).

lippaim wrote:

dabpit wrote:

In addition to HVN, CHS, BWI, and ILM.
Possible options are ERI (Erie), BHM (Birmingham), GRB (Green Bay), JAN (Jackson MS), ORH (Worcester), and BTR (Baton Rouge).

I wonder if there are plans for anywhere in North Florida. I'm moving to Tallahassee from the HVN area and would really love to utilize Avelo's services for holiday travel. There's also quite a bit of collaboration between multiple departments from Yale and FSU, with a lot of students either coming up north or going down south for internships or higher level degrees. TLH might be a longshot, as it's known in the area for being rather expensive, but JAX seems like it could work just in terms of overall pax traffic, maybe PNS.

dabpit wrote:

In addition to HVN, CHS, BWI, and ILM.
Possible options are ERI (Erie), BHM (Birmingham), GRB (Green Bay), JAN (Jackson MS), ORH (Worcester), and BTR (Baton Rouge).

n471wn wrote:

Does anyone know why N802XT has been at San Bernardino for the last 8 days?

Goldenshield wrote:

n471wn wrote:

Does anyone know why N802XT has been at San Bernardino for the last 8 days?

SBD has a couple heavy maintenance MROs. I would assume it's there for a heavy check.

n471wn wrote:

Goldenshield wrote:

n471wn wrote:

Does anyone know why N802XT has been at San Bernardino for the last 8 days?

SBD has a couple heavy maintenance MROs. I would assume it's there for a heavy check.

I thought of that as well but it was delivered off a C Check so no way a D is due yet.

TexasAirCorp wrote:

lippaim wrote:

dabpit wrote:

In addition to HVN, CHS, BWI, and ILM.
Possible options are ERI (Erie), BHM (Birmingham), GRB (Green Bay), JAN (Jackson MS), ORH (Worcester), and BTR (Baton Rouge).

I wonder if there are plans for anywhere in North Florida. I'm moving to Tallahassee from the HVN area and would really love to utilize Avelo's services for holiday travel. There's also quite a bit of collaboration between multiple departments from Yale and FSU, with a lot of students either coming up north or going down south for internships or higher level degrees. TLH might be a longshot, as it's known in the area for being rather expensive, but JAX seems like it could work just in terms of overall pax traffic, maybe PNS.

Avelo seems to be able to make any decent leisure destination work from HVN. JAX I think is pretty likely at some point in the future, PNS possibly. Long shot, but maybe even UST?

lippaim wrote:

dabpit wrote:

In addition to HVN, CHS, BWI, and ILM.
Possible options are ERI (Erie), BHM (Birmingham), GRB (Green Bay), JAN (Jackson MS), ORH (Worcester), and BTR (Baton Rouge).

I wonder if there are plans for anywhere in North Florida. I'm moving to Tallahassee from the HVN area and would really love to utilize Avelo's services for holiday travel. There's also quite a bit of collaboration between multiple departments from Yale and FSU, with a lot of students either coming up north or going down south for internships or higher level degrees. TLH might be a longshot, as it's known in the area for being rather expensive, but JAX seems like it could work just in terms of overall pax traffic, maybe PNS.

LotsaRunway wrote:

dabpit wrote:

In addition to HVN, CHS, BWI, and ILM.
Possible options are ERI (Erie), BHM (Birmingham), GRB (Green Bay), JAN (Jackson MS), ORH (Worcester), and BTR (Baton Rouge).

I've seen ERI pop up as a possible destination several times in this thread and I wonder what puts it on this list? It's a pretty small market that lost out at a chance for Allegient a number of years ago because its runway was too short, so they went to nearby airports instead.

PennPal wrote:

Erie makes sense since it's positioned perfectly between Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Their runway has been lengthened to 8400' I believe so that shouldn't be a factor anymore.

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

PennPal wrote:

Erie makes sense since it's positioned perfectly between Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Their runway has been lengthened to 8400' I believe so that shouldn't be a factor anymore.

Are you referring to the possibility of attracting passengers from those markets to Erie?

Italianflyer wrote:

With all due respect, what does the Erie metro economy bring to the table for Avelo? It's not a high desposible income area. It seems to me that the leisure travelers from that region would be looking more at an all-inclusive package provider like Allegiant Travel Group vs. a cheap ride to Florida. As for geography, there is no shortage of ULCCs or LCCs in BUF, CLE or PIT.

sea13 wrote:

Italianflyer wrote:

With all due respect, what does the Erie metro economy bring to the table for Avelo? It's not a high desposible income area. It seems to me that the leisure travelers from that region would be looking more at an all-inclusive package provider like Allegiant Travel Group vs. a cheap ride to Florida. As for geography, there is no shortage of ULCCs or LCCs in BUF, CLE or PIT.

Exactly. I think people here believe since ERI doesn’t have any airline service, is situated around metropolitan areas (like HVN) that Aveo will automatically look at ERI and want to bring service there. Like you said, the ERI economy brings absolutely nothing.

sea13 wrote:

Italianflyer wrote:

With all due respect, what does the Erie metro economy bring to the table for Avelo? It's not a high desposible income area. It seems to me that the leisure travelers from that region would be looking more at an all-inclusive package provider like Allegiant Travel Group vs. a cheap ride to Florida. As for geography, there is no shortage of ULCCs or LCCs in BUF, CLE or PIT.

Exactly. I think people here believe since ERI doesn’t have any airline service, is situated around metropolitan areas (like HVN) that Aveo will automatically look at ERI and want to bring service there. Like you said, the ERI economy brings absolutely nothing.

PennPal wrote:

sea13 wrote:

Italianflyer wrote:

With all due respect, what does the Erie metro economy bring to the table for Avelo? It's not a high desposible income area. It seems to me that the leisure travelers from that region would be looking more at an all-inclusive package provider like Allegiant Travel Group vs. a cheap ride to Florida. As for geography, there is no shortage of ULCCs or LCCs in BUF, CLE or PIT.

Exactly. I think people here believe since ERI doesn’t have any airline service, is situated around metropolitan areas (like HVN) that Aveo will automatically look at ERI and want to bring service there. Like you said, the ERI economy brings absolutely nothing.

Erie does have airline service...United to Chicago and American to Charlotte. Just because Erie is XX amount of miles from Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland doesn't mean potential passengers using ERI live that far away. I know many people in the area that travel all those miles to catch a flight out of those three cities. I don't see why an airline offering nonstops to Florida wouldn't be successful in Erie.

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

PennPal wrote:

sea13 wrote:

Exactly. I think people here believe since ERI doesn’t have any airline service, is situated around metropolitan areas (like HVN) that Aveo will automatically look at ERI and want to bring service there. Like you said, the ERI economy brings absolutely nothing.

Erie does have airline service...United to Chicago and American to Charlotte. Just because Erie is XX amount of miles from Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland doesn't mean potential passengers using ERI live that far away. I know many people in the area that travel all those miles to catch a flight out of those three cities. I don't see why an airline offering nonstops to Florida wouldn't be successful in Erie.

I am not driving from Buffalo to Erie for a direct flight to Florida. I dont see many people from Buffalo making that drive either.

airlineworker wrote:

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

PennPal wrote:

Erie makes sense since it's positioned perfectly between Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Their runway has been lengthened to 8400' I believe so that shouldn't be a factor anymore.

Are you referring to the possibility of attracting passengers from those markets to Erie?

Buffalo 92 miles, Cleveland 102 miles, Pittsburg 127 miles. Not exactly nearby.

PennPal wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

PennPal wrote:

Erie does have airline service...United to Chicago and American to Charlotte. Just because Erie is XX amount of miles from Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland doesn't mean potential passengers using ERI live that far away. I know many people in the area that travel all those miles to catch a flight out of those three cities. I don't see why an airline offering nonstops to Florida wouldn't be successful in Erie.

I am not driving from Buffalo to Erie for a direct flight to Florida. I dont see many people from Buffalo making that drive either.

You're missing my point. I'm not saying people will drive from Buffalo proper to Erie to catch a flight (although people DO drive from Erie to Buffalo to catch one, so what's the big deal??), I'm saying that, with attractive fares and convenient departure times, people who live BETWEEN Erie and Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland would be receptive to driving to Erie if they can save money and time with less of a hassle going through TSA. Honestly, how many travelers limit themselves to their local airport if they can fly cheaper from one more distant?? I have relatives who live in NE Pennsylvania that bypass AVP, ABE, PHL and MDT to catch a flight out of BWI because the fares are sometimes cheaper there. Saying people won't make the drive from the Buffalo area to Erie to potentially save money and get to their destination at a more attractive time is being pretty narrow-minded...

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

PennPal wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

I am not driving from Buffalo to Erie for a direct flight to Florida. I dont see many people from Buffalo making that drive either.

You're missing my point. I'm not saying people will drive from Buffalo proper to Erie to catch a flight (although people DO drive from Erie to Buffalo to catch one, so what's the big deal??), I'm saying that, with attractive fares and convenient departure times, people who live BETWEEN Erie and Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland would be receptive to driving to Erie if they can save money and time with less of a hassle going through TSA. Honestly, how many travelers limit themselves to their local airport if they can fly cheaper from one more distant?? I have relatives who live in NE Pennsylvania that bypass AVP, ABE, PHL and MDT to catch a flight out of BWI because the fares are sometimes cheaper there. Saying people won't make the drive from the Buffalo area to Erie to potentially save money and get to their destination at a more attractive time is being pretty narrow-minded...

People drive up from Erie, Niagara Falls, Rochester, and part of southern Canada to fly out to Buffalo / BNIA because the flights to Florida are ALREADY CHEAPER. Southwest, Jetblue, Frontier, and if you really want, Allegiant out of the falls are cheap options.

People from Erie come to due flight Frequency. Right now Erie has 3 flights for the entire day starting at 4:30 PM, 9:20 PM, and 10:36 PM flying to Chicago and Charlotte. MOST people going on vacations, they have to flight out early in the morning to catch a connecting flight. CANT DO THAT at Erie or you have to fly somewhere a day earlier and spend a night in a hotel to get a connecting flight the next morning.

Apparently, I am narrowminded LOLLLLLLL

PennPal wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

Are you referring to the possibility of attracting passengers from those markets to Erie?

Buffalo 92 miles, Cleveland 102 miles, Pittsburg 127 miles. Not exactly nearby.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?? Or are you saying residents of those three cities all live downtown and none of them reside closer to Erie than the mileages you listed and therefore ERI cannot possibly be a viable option??

LotsaRunway wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

PennPal wrote:

You're missing my point. I'm not saying people will drive from Buffalo proper to Erie to catch a flight (although people DO drive from Erie to Buffalo to catch one, so what's the big deal??), I'm saying that, with attractive fares and convenient departure times, people who live BETWEEN Erie and Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland would be receptive to driving to Erie if they can save money and time with less of a hassle going through TSA. Honestly, how many travelers limit themselves to their local airport if they can fly cheaper from one more distant?? I have relatives who live in NE Pennsylvania that bypass AVP, ABE, PHL and MDT to catch a flight out of BWI because the fares are sometimes cheaper there. Saying people won't make the drive from the Buffalo area to Erie to potentially save money and get to their destination at a more attractive time is being pretty narrow-minded...

People drive up from Erie, Niagara Falls, Rochester, and part of southern Canada to fly out to Buffalo / BNIA because the flights to Florida are ALREADY CHEAPER. Southwest, Jetblue, Frontier, and if you really want, Allegiant out of the falls are cheap options.

People from Erie come to due flight Frequency. Right now Erie has 3 flights for the entire day starting at 4:30 PM, 9:20 PM, and 10:36 PM flying to Chicago and Charlotte. MOST people going on vacations, they have to flight out early in the morning to catch a connecting flight. CANT DO THAT at Erie or you have to fly somewhere a day earlier and spend a night in a hotel to get a connecting flight the next morning.

Apparently, I am narrowminded LOLLLLLLL

I don’t have a horse in this race other than having flown out of ERI in the past. Nice little place, but I don’t know what you are talking about with the only 3 flights and they are all 4:30 pm and after. Just looking at today in FlightAware:
6:16am CLT
7:29am ORD
1:56pm CLT
5:10pm ORD

Not exactly a lot, but certainly not all departing late in the day including at 9:30 and 10:36pm where someone connecting has to overnight enroute.

Seems reasonable to me that the airport could support several weekly flights to popular locations if they can appeal to people who normally travel from the Erie area to other nearby airports. IMHO, Making it work as a focus city would take some pretty impressive marketing.

LotsaRunway wrote:

dabpit wrote:

In addition to HVN, CHS, BWI, and ILM.
Possible options are ERI (Erie), BHM (Birmingham), GRB (Green Bay), JAN (Jackson MS), ORH (Worcester), and BTR (Baton Rouge).

I've seen ERI pop up as a possible destination several times in this thread and I wonder what puts it on this list? It's a pretty small market that lost out at a chance for Allegient a number of years ago because its runway was too short, so they went to nearby airports instead.

SaabFA71 wrote:

Any guesses what the next East Coast base will be for Avelo? Here are a few candidate cities that could do well with flights to Florida and sun destinations: AVP, MDT, ERI, HGR, ILG, PHF. I'm just throwing these out there. I know that terminal size constraints at HGR and ILG could be an issue similar to what HVN is dealing with it's small terminal. AVP has no ULCC service and could do fine with folks not willing to drive to NYC. MDT has Allegiant but sometimes the flights aren't timed well enough or conducive especially if you're looking to do a long weekend. ERI has no ULCC service and could be an alternative to driving to PIT, CLE, or BUF. PHF could be a mirror opposite to what ORF offers with Breeze. I'd say if any of these cities are marketed properly they could be viable.

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

PennPal wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

I am not driving from Buffalo to Erie for a direct flight to Florida. I dont see many people from Buffalo making that drive either.

You're missing my point. I'm not saying people will drive from Buffalo proper to Erie to catch a flight (although people DO drive from Erie to Buffalo to catch one, so what's the big deal??), I'm saying that, with attractive fares and convenient departure times, people who live BETWEEN Erie and Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland would be receptive to driving to Erie if they can save money and time with less of a hassle going through TSA. Honestly, how many travelers limit themselves to their local airport if they can fly cheaper from one more distant?? I have relatives who live in NE Pennsylvania that bypass AVP, ABE, PHL and MDT to catch a flight out of BWI because the fares are sometimes cheaper there. Saying people won't make the drive from the Buffalo area to Erie to potentially save money and get to their destination at a more attractive time is being pretty narrow-minded...

People drive up from Erie, Niagara Falls, Rochester, and part of southern Canada to fly out to Buffalo / BNIA because the flights to Florida are ALREADY CHEAPER. Southwest, Jetblue, Frontier, and if you really want, Allegiant out of the falls are cheap options.

People from Erie come to due flight Frequency. Right now Erie has 3 flights for the entire day starting at 4:30 PM, 9:20 PM, and 10:36 PM flying to Chicago and Charlotte. MOST people going on vacations, they have to flight out early in the morning to catch a connecting flight. CANT DO THAT at Erie or you have to fly somewhere a day earlier and spend a night in a hotel to get a connecting flight the next morning.

Apparently, I am narrowminded LOLLLLLLL

airlineworker wrote:

PennPal wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

Buffalo 92 miles, Cleveland 102 miles, Pittsburg 127 miles. Not exactly nearby.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?? Or are you saying residents of those three cities all live downtown and none of them reside closer to Erie than the mileages you listed and therefore ERI cannot possibly be a viable option??

"Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?" Why travel 100 or more miles to depart from a smaller airport with fewer flights and fewer airlines? BUF, CLE and PIT have low cost carriers and any fare difference would be minor and would not be more convenient. I could not see people from those 3 cities making a long drive to ERI.

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

LotsaRunway wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

People drive up from Erie, Niagara Falls, Rochester, and part of southern Canada to fly out to Buffalo / BNIA because the flights to Florida are ALREADY CHEAPER. Southwest, Jetblue, Frontier, and if you really want, Allegiant out of the falls are cheap options.

People from Erie come to due flight Frequency. Right now Erie has 3 flights for the entire day starting at 4:30 PM, 9:20 PM, and 10:36 PM flying to Chicago and Charlotte. MOST people going on vacations, they have to flight out early in the morning to catch a connecting flight. CANT DO THAT at Erie or you have to fly somewhere a day earlier and spend a night in a hotel to get a connecting flight the next morning.

Apparently, I am narrowminded LOLLLLLLL

I don’t have a horse in this race other than having flown out of ERI in the past. Nice little place, but I don’t know what you are talking about with the only 3 flights and they are all 4:30 pm and after. Just looking at today in FlightAware:
6:16am CLT
7:29am ORD
1:56pm CLT
5:10pm ORD

Not exactly a lot, but certainly not all departing late in the day including at 9:30 and 10:36pm where someone connecting has to overnight enroute.

Seems reasonable to me that the airport could support several weekly flights to popular locations if they can appeal to people who normally travel from the Erie area to other nearby airports. IMHO, Making it work as a focus city would take some pretty impressive marketing.

Okay, you are correct. Originally, I checked Flightradar and clicked on the airport. The flight times I mentioned were the only flights that showed up!

My point still stands that Erie has far less frequency than flying out of BNIA / Buffalo.

Erie to Orlando - 536 round trip in August
Buffalo to Orlando - 349, 360, and 398 round trip in August, same dates as Erie

PennPal wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

PennPal wrote:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?? Or are you saying residents of those three cities all live downtown and none of them reside closer to Erie than the mileages you listed and therefore ERI cannot possibly be a viable option??

"Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?" Why travel 100 or more miles to depart from a smaller airport with fewer flights and fewer airlines? BUF, CLE and PIT have low cost carriers and any fare difference would be minor and would not be more convenient. I could not see people from those 3 cities making a long drive to ERI.

By that post you just described Avelo's operation in HVN!! How many airlines served HVN before Avelo's arrival?? How many miles do travelers drive to get to New Haven?? Do they not draw from the metro NYC/Boston/Providence areas?? Aren't those cities quite a distance from New Haven?? Hasn't that operation been very successful? If Avelo started serving ERI, the city would have another airline offering more flights! And with TSA backups as frequent as they are, who wouldn't want to depart from a smaller airport?? As I said in my post, I'm not implying someone will drive from downtown Buffalo, Pittsburgh, or Cleveland to ERI to catch a flight. But, what I AM saying, is that someone who lives halfway between ERI and BUF or CLE on I-90, or halfway between ERI and PIT on I-79 could have ANOTHER option to consider without having to drive any further. I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult to grasp...

PennPal wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

LotsaRunway wrote:

I don’t have a horse in this race other than having flown out of ERI in the past. Nice little place, but I don’t know what you are talking about with the only 3 flights and they are all 4:30 pm and after. Just looking at today in FlightAware:
6:16am CLT
7:29am ORD
1:56pm CLT
5:10pm ORD

Not exactly a lot, but certainly not all departing late in the day including at 9:30 and 10:36pm where someone connecting has to overnight enroute.

Seems reasonable to me that the airport could support several weekly flights to popular locations if they can appeal to people who normally travel from the Erie area to other nearby airports. IMHO, Making it work as a focus city would take some pretty impressive marketing.

Okay, you are correct. Originally, I checked Flightradar and clicked on the airport. The flight times I mentioned were the only flights that showed up!

My point still stands that Erie has far less frequency than flying out of BNIA / Buffalo.

Erie to Orlando - 536 round trip in August
Buffalo to Orlando - 349, 360, and 398 round trip in August, same dates as Erie

And logic would have it that an airline offering new roundtrips to Orlando from an airport centrally located between 3 large metropolitan areas would draw travelers from those areas and increase the frequencies from said airport.

airlinepeanuts wrote:

Love how this has become a thread about a small airport in Pennsylvania

OzarkD9S wrote:

airlinepeanuts wrote:

Love how this has become a thread about a small airport in Pennsylvania

https://www.yahoo.com/news/frontier-air ... 35104.html

Then let's change it to a small airport in Delaware. With F9 dropping ILG, any opportunities for Avelo there? I'm not familiar with the Wilmington demographics, but a quick search on Wiki (I know!):

"The Delaware Valley metropolitan area, which includes the cities of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Camden, New Jersey, had a 2016 population of 6,070,500, and a combined statistical area of 7,179,357."

Not saying the entire metro area would bypass PHL for ILG but there is a decent sized population to draw from if marketed correctly,

Bigant0408 wrote:

OzarkD9S wrote:

airlinepeanuts wrote:

Love how this has become a thread about a small airport in Pennsylvania

https://www.yahoo.com/news/frontier-air ... 35104.html

Then let's change it to a small airport in Delaware. With F9 dropping ILG, any opportunities for Avelo there? I'm not familiar with the Wilmington demographics, but a quick search on Wiki (I know!):

"The Delaware Valley metropolitan area, which includes the cities of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Camden, New Jersey, had a 2016 population of 6,070,500, and a combined statistical area of 7,179,357."

Not saying the entire metro area would bypass PHL for ILG but there is a decent sized population to draw from if marketed correctly,

Based on this Points Guy article from last year Avelo did have an eye on ILG

https://thepointsguy.com/news/avelo-air ... alifornia/

PennPal wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

PennPal wrote:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?? Or are you saying residents of those three cities all live downtown and none of them reside closer to Erie than the mileages you listed and therefore ERI cannot possibly be a viable option??

"Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?" Why travel 100 or more miles to depart from a smaller airport with fewer flights and fewer airlines? BUF, CLE and PIT have low cost carriers and any fare difference would be minor and would not be more convenient. I could not see people from those 3 cities making a long drive to ERI.

By that post you just described Avelo's operation in HVN!! How many airlines served HVN before Avelo's arrival?? How many miles do travelers drive to get to New Haven?? Do they not draw from the metro NYC/Boston/Providence areas?? Aren't those cities quite a distance from New Haven?? Hasn't that operation been very successful? If Avelo started serving ERI, the city would have another airline offering more flights! And with TSA backups as frequent as they are, who wouldn't want to depart from a smaller airport?? As I said in my post, I'm not implying someone will drive from downtown Buffalo, Pittsburgh, or Cleveland to ERI to catch a flight. But, what I AM saying, is that someone who lives halfway between ERI and BUF or CLE on I-90, or halfway between ERI and PIT on I-79 could have ANOTHER option to consider without having to drive any further. I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult to grasp...

airlineworker wrote:

PennPal wrote:

airlineworker wrote:

"Are you implying that a traveler will not ever consider driving to a distant airport even if the fare/itinerary is cheaper/more convenient than at their local airport?" Why travel 100 or more miles to depart from a smaller airport with fewer flights and fewer airlines? BUF, CLE and PIT have low cost carriers and any fare difference would be minor and would not be more convenient. I could not see people from those 3 cities making a long drive to ERI.

By that post you just described Avelo's operation in HVN!! How many airlines served HVN before Avelo's arrival?? How many miles do travelers drive to get to New Haven?? Do they not draw from the metro NYC/Boston/Providence areas?? Aren't those cities quite a distance from New Haven?? Hasn't that operation been very successful? If Avelo started serving ERI, the city would have another airline offering more flights! And with TSA backups as frequent as they are, who wouldn't want to depart from a smaller airport?? As I said in my post, I'm not implying someone will drive from downtown Buffalo, Pittsburgh, or Cleveland to ERI to catch a flight. But, what I AM saying, is that someone who lives halfway between ERI and BUF or CLE on I-90, or halfway between ERI and PIT on I-79 could have ANOTHER option to consider without having to drive any further. I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult to grasp...

"By that post you just described Avelo's operation in HVN!!" No, HVN metro population, 862,477, ERI metro population, 266,096 HVN draws from Bridgeport to the south, New London to the north and interior towns in between..

PennPal wrote:

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:

LotsaRunway wrote:

I don’t have a horse in this race other than having flown out of ERI in the past. Nice little place, but I don’t know what you are talking about with the only 3 flights and they are all 4:30 pm and after. Just looking at today in FlightAware:
6:16am CLT
7:29am ORD
1:56pm CLT
5:10pm ORD

Not exactly a lot, but certainly not all departing late in the day including at 9:30 and 10:36pm where someone connecting has to overnight enroute.

Seems reasonable to me that the airport could support several weekly flights to popular locations if they can appeal to people who normally travel from the Erie area to other nearby airports. IMHO, Making it work as a focus city would take some pretty impressive marketing.

Okay, you are correct. Originally, I checked Flightradar and clicked on the airport. The flight times I mentioned were the only flights that showed up!

My point still stands that Erie has far less frequency than flying out of BNIA / Buffalo.

Erie to Orlando - 536 round trip in August
Buffalo to Orlando - 349, 360, and 398 round trip in August, same dates as Erie

And logic would have it that an airline offering new roundtrips to Orlando from an airport centrally located between 3 large metropolitan areas would draw travelers from those areas and increase the frequencies from said airport.

airlinepeanuts wrote:

Love how this has become a thread about a small airport in Pennsylvania