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Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:36 am
by SFODude
77H wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
x1234 wrote:
HA needs to RE-TIME the flight west-bound for BOS to SYD as BOS-HNL (HA#89) arrives at 245pm and HNL-SYD (HA#451) departs 1250pm resulting in a +1 day delay. If they really want to sell J on this flight they need to make it connect to SYD, BNE & AKL as SYD is a global city with lots of multinationals and there's lots of consulting firms in BOS.

HA isn’t trying to connect people over HNL to Australia. They are trying to bring people to Hawaii.


With WN entering the Hawaii market they very well may need to consider offering connections to supplement their current strategy.

77H

HNL s the only market from US where you can fly nonstop to GUM. A lot of people try to go via TYO, but that is not a valid a Freedom flight for Americans, unless they clear Japanese customs and have to spend a minimum number of hours in Japan. Most only works on a US Airline SFO NRT GUM. Can not fly SFO NRT GUM on JL/NH. SFO HNL GUM on UA is the most logical option (and quickest). PR used to make a tech stop from SFO/LAX with A340s, but could not carry local traffic. Purely tech/fuel stop.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:53 am
by ctrabs0114
A320NK wrote:
Out of curiousity, is this the longest nonstop domestic flight in the world? Maybe France to some of its territories?


I actually saw this video on YouTube which might answer your question (the answer, according to the creator, is at the 4:53 mark of the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss0nZSFlr_U

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:02 am
by 77H
SFODude wrote:
77H wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
HA isn’t trying to connect people over HNL to Australia. They are trying to bring people to Hawaii.


With WN entering the Hawaii market they very well may need to consider offering connections to supplement their current strategy.

77H

HNL s the only market from US where you can fly nonstop to GUM. A lot of people try to go via TYO, but that is not a valid a Freedom flight for Americans, unless they clear Japanese customs and have to spend a minimum number of hours in Japan. Most only works on a US Airline SFO NRT GUM. Can not fly SFO NRT GUM on JL/NH. SFO HNL GUM on UA is the most logical option (and quickest). PR used to make a tech stop from SFO/LAX with A340s, but could not carry local traffic. Purely tech/fuel stop.


Apologies but to whom are you replying ? No one attached to this reply ever mentioned GUM so far as I can see.

77H

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:47 am
by bhxalex
rj777 wrote:
I'm assuming a widebody will be used for this route.


ATR 42 with the odd ATR 72 subbed in during peak season.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:48 am
by airportugal310
Plane on the ground at E5. Aloha and Welcome to Boston!

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:04 pm
by cledaybuck
77H wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
x1234 wrote:
HA needs to RE-TIME the flight west-bound for BOS to SYD as BOS-HNL (HA#89) arrives at 245pm and HNL-SYD (HA#451) departs 1250pm resulting in a +1 day delay. If they really want to sell J on this flight they need to make it connect to SYD, BNE & AKL as SYD is a global city with lots of multinationals and there's lots of consulting firms in BOS.

HA isn’t trying to connect people over HNL to Australia. They are trying to bring people to Hawaii.


With WN entering the Hawaii market they very well may need to consider offering connections to supplement their current strategy.

77H
Why is WN entering any different than when AS entered? HA didn't seem to change their strategy then. I see why people want HA to do this, but I have yet to see any indication that HA has any real interest.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:10 pm
by 910A
MrBretz wrote:
x1234 wrote:
Yes another option to Australia/New Zealand from BOS! :)


I’ve flown HA from HNL to SYD. That’s about 20% shorter that BOS to HNL.


I would suggest that you check your math..
BOS-HNL 4427nm or 5095 sm
HNL-SYD 4403nm or 5066 sm

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:18 pm
by Dieuwer
Correct timing or not, HA does publish a BOS-SYD fare (with the forced overnight in HNL).

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:30 pm
by MrBretz
To the person upstream who asked why HA was doing this now instead of the winter: it is because the summer is one of the busiest tourist times in Hawaii. The kids are out of school.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:34 pm
by MrBretz
910A wrote:
MrBretz wrote:
x1234 wrote:
Yes another option to Australia/New Zealand from BOS! :)


I’ve flown HA from HNL to SYD. That’s about 20% shorter that BOS to HNL.


I would suggest that you check your math..
BOS-HNL 4427nm or 5095 sm
HNL-SYD 4403nm or 5066 sm



Oops....sorry about that. When I looked at the gc route, I must have missed the units.

HA will most likely give you 2 meals on the flight. And hand you a mai tai before landing.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:52 pm
by EK77WNH
Did they give 89 a water salute on the way out? Obviously, 90 came in under cover of darkness and not PR value doing it then, anyway.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:54 pm
by COSPN
Whatever the status of GUM is there is no SFO-GUM flight

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:57 pm
by tlecam
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Longer than SFO-GUM?


GUM is not part of any of the 50 states. It's a territory, thus it's not domestic per se. Distance-wise, it's longer, per gcmap.


What?

Territories are domestic as the name "US Territory" implies.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:41 pm
by pitbosflyer
dfwjim1 wrote:
Is there that much of a market between Boston and the Hawaiian Islands?


In their story about the route, the Boston Globe claims 500 people a day travel from the Boston area to one of the Hawaiian Islands. https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html

Boston was the largest U.S. market without nonstop service to Hawaii.

Plus B6 will be feeding this flight with additional passengers as Hawaiian is one of their partners. I think this route is going to do just fine.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:54 pm
by superjeff
DenverTed wrote:
I have a UA Hawaii 1971 brochure. "On all nonstops from New York, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Washington. I don't think they ever flew Detroit or Boston nonstop, but they had 10 DC-8-62s, so they planned for it. Washington was BWI nonstop.


They did fly HNL-JFK-HNL and HNL-ORD-HNL with the DC8-62's (using a subfleet with a 2x3 coach configuration, so they were comfortable as well). I don't remember a nonstop HNL-BWI on United.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:08 pm
by EK77WNH
I'm curious as to how they get 'feed' for a flight that leaves so early in the morning. How many B6 flights arrive at Boston with enough time to connect to this?

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:08 pm
by FlyingSicilian
To digress slightly, I just flew to Guam Sunday and back to HNL yesterday. Passport checked both directions. At Guam customs and via CBP before boarding for HNL. Guam has its own customs union so do their own checks. Maybe there is a way to fly with ID and birth cert, but just a D.L. would not cut it with CBP leaving GUM for HNL. Proof of citzenship was required. Also at customs in HNLwhere one cannot use global entry but must use the forms. My flights to AmSam have beem the same. Passports checked on both ends. Maybe people tried the DL and birth cert, but just a normal D.L was not an option.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:34 pm
by RWA380
77H wrote:
c933103 wrote:
77H wrote:

HNL-GUM and reverse is considered an international flight by UA. Moreover, I’ve flown HNL-GUM and reserve nonstop. I went through Customs in GUM and in HNL when I returned.

77H

Well custom doesn't mean another country. Just like in one of the many proposal for Brexit there will be custom check between Northern Ireland and rest of Britain, and that doesn't make flights between London and Belfast international


Fair enough. Though my first statement stands as fact that the only airline operating on the route designates it as and
international flight.

77H


To further your point, whenever we sold PPG, GUM or other US territories, Regal Travel always advised our passengers to carry a valid passport for each trip. Those advisories came from the DOT & were mandated by them. It was part of the required legalese that covered our asses as agents for the airlines & as well as both travel wholesaler & retailers.

I sent one Dr. monthly to Guam & Saipan for Straub clinics out of Honolulu, he had a passport like a phone book because of his frequent trips to not only there but Manila as well. All back when this was CO Mike territory & he flew like a boss, all J.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:54 am
by jagraham
FlyingSicilian wrote:
To digress slightly, I just flew to Guam Sunday and back to HNL yesterday. Passport checked both directions. At Guam customs and via CBP before boarding for HNL. Guam has its own customs union so do their own checks. Maybe there is a way to fly with ID and birth cert, but just a D.L. would not cut it with CBP leaving GUM for HNL. Proof of citzenship was required. Also at customs in HNLwhere one cannot use global entry but must use the forms. My flights to AmSam have beem the same. Passports checked on both ends. Maybe people tried the DL and birth cert, but just a normal D.L was not an option.


My experience at GUM too, but hopefully Real ID will fix that one aspect of life

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:25 am
by 777PHX
Airliners.net in a nutshell.....

Two page thread, of which 70% is pedantic arguing about some meaningless statement.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:34 am
by RWA380
HALFA wrote:
Ok, so apparently some US airline once flew to Guam from the Continental US. I would be happy to edit the topic subject to get rid of the word "History" but unfortunately, I can't figure out how to do that. It doesn't take away from the fact that this is still an historic day for both Hawaiian Airlines and US Aviation.


Please don't change a thing. I & I am sure the vast majority of us knew instantly what your intent was & it matters not what the title says, it says enough to know your full intent, any brow beating you've taken is done with that already known. You meant within the 50 states & you are 100% correct & when you posted I am sure US territories were not on your mind, again most people know that. Thanks for the topic! It is an amazing day for HA, their second East Coast destination furthering the connecting opportunities with B6. Maybe soon there will be morning departures from both BOS & JFK with the HA code on them to LHR, CDG or AMS.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:06 pm
by PHLCVGAMTK
Qantas16 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
HA needs to RE-TIME the flight west-bound for BOS to SYD as BOS-HNL (HA#89) arrives at 245pm and HNL-SYD (HA#451) departs 1250pm resulting in a +1 day delay. If they really want to sell J on this flight they need to make it connect to SYD, BNE & AKL as SYD is a global city with lots of multinationals and there's lots of consulting firms in BOS.


The problem with that is the current timetable is:

HNL 1355 - 0550 BOS
BOS 0910 - HNL 1355

HNL 1240 - 1945 SYD
SYD 2140 - 1135 HNL

The problem is that the SYD timetable is pretty fixed given the need to get in and out of SYD before the 2300 curfew, otherwise the aircraft is stuck until at least 0600 the next day. To make the BOS-HNL-SYD connection work, they'd need to retime the HNL-BOS-HNL flight something similar:

HNL 1300 - 0455 BOS
BOS 0630 - 1125 HNL

However, now you have quite an early departure ex-BOS that is probably not very appealing to the local BOS-HNL market. I would presume HA has looked at the connecting opportunities and decided the route is better off focused on the O&D market.


If the current HA89/90 flight is successful, HA can look at a second daily flight, keeping the current schedule and adding:

HNL 0735 - 2230 BOS
BOS 0015 - 0700 HNL

That eastbound schedule would be very difficult to fill (maybe given a hand from AU/NZ-US cargo?), but the westbound would instantly become the high-yield flagship flight to Hawaii, with 12 hours of overnight sleep before landing at dawn and having a full day before checking in to your hotel. You could leave after work from most Northeastern cities and connect B6-HA.

Onward connection to AU/NZ would involve a long layover (5:40 for SYD), but the 29 hour total trip time BOS-SYD would be only marginally longer than going via LAX/SFO. And for such a late departure on the East Coast, the only alternatives are to either wait a day, or to fly the other way on EK via DXB.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:29 pm
by Galwayman
Are the preclearance facilities at DUB/AUH legally US territory?

My understanding is that these are legally US domestic flights (in US law) and therefore AUH > LAX might be one of the longest domestic US flights ?

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:05 am
by Gangurru
Galwayman wrote:
Are the preclearance facilities at DUB/AUH legally US territory?

My understanding is that these are legally US domestic flights (in US law) and therefore AUH > LAX might be one of the longest domestic US flights ?


The preclearance facilities are not US Territory. The best analogy would be to think of the preclearance zones as embassies. The host country allows certain activities by foreign governments to take place on its soil, but the host country can take back the territory if it so wishes.

I suspect that the “domestic” flight definition was the simplest legal solution to allowing an international flight to not require border checks on arrival.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:09 am
by Galwayman
Gangurru wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
Are the preclearance facilities at DUB/AUH legally US territory?

My understanding is that these are legally US domestic flights (in US law) and therefore AUH > LAX might be one of the longest domestic US flights ?


The preclearance facilities are not US Territory. The best analogy would be to think of the preclearance zones as embassies. The host country allows certain activities by foreign governments to take place on its soil, but the host country can take back the territory if it so wishes.

I suspect that the “domestic” flight definition was the simplest legal solution to allowing an international flight to not require border checks on arrival.



That makes sense , thank you ...

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:52 am
by Kent350787
A332. My brother in law and his wife are flying on 05/03 - an hour longer flight than the SYD-HNL that my my wife, son, FIL and other BIL are doing around the same time.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:05 am
by Jet-lagged
In any case, it’s a neat flight. Congrats to HA!

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 am
by Ziyulu
Will they serve two meals? Or have BOB?

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:28 am
by Ziyulu
Before 1997, LHR to HKG was considered domestic.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:06 am
by BoeingGuy
superjeff wrote:
DenverTed wrote:
I have a UA Hawaii 1971 brochure. "On all nonstops from New York, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Washington. I don't think they ever flew Detroit or Boston nonstop, but they had 10 DC-8-62s, so they planned for it. Washington was BWI nonstop.


They did fly HNL-JFK-HNL and HNL-ORD-HNL with the DC8-62's (using a subfleet with a 2x3 coach configuration, so they were comfortable as well). I don't remember a nonstop HNL-BWI on United.


UA did fly BWI-HNL in the early 1970s.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:28 am
by rbavfan
MIflyer12 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
Yes another option to Australia/New Zealand from BOS! :)


It's not remotely time-efficient. It's more than 2x the total travel time of the best BOS-SFO-AKL. It's 22 hours more than a Delta BOS-LAX-SYD. That's properly called 'not even trying.'


Really 7 min more BOS-HNL-SYD is "not even trying" If they wanted to do that. Connection in HNL would be faster than Delta's in LAX & If it was timed that way.

Hawaiian also allows a stop over in HNL without added cost. Delta does not allow that in LAX. But then again I'd rather stop over in HNL vs LA any day.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:30 am
by rbavfan
ctrabs0114 wrote:
A320NK wrote:
Out of curiousity, is this the longest nonstop domestic flight in the world? Maybe France to some of its territories?


I actually saw this video on YouTube which might answer your question (the answer, according to the creator, is at the 4:53 mark of the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss0nZSFlr_U


Last I checked France is not in the US. So thier domestic flight would not count anyway.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:57 am
by rbavfan
77H wrote:
c933103 wrote:
77H wrote:

HNL-GUM and reverse is considered an international flight by UA. Moreover, I’ve flown HNL-GUM and reserve nonstop. I went through Customs in GUM and in HNL when I returned.

77H

Well custom doesn't mean another country. Just like in one of the many proposal for Brexit there will be custom check between Northern Ireland and rest of Britain, and that doesn't make flights between London and Belfast international


Fair enough. Though my first statement stands as fact that the only airline operating on the route designates it as and
international flight.

77H


UA & Delta are the only US carriers operating flight between GUM and SFO. But they go through HND/NRT most of the time and that flight is an international one as it stops in a foreign country. The GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL flights are international because not all those islands are US territories making them International flights.

However the GUM-HNL-SFO is a domestic flight as it does not land in any other nation in route.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:01 am
by 1989worstyear
StormRider wrote:
rj777 wrote:
I'm assuming a widebody will be used for this route.


Airbus A330-200
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL90


1998 EIS kicks ass in 2019 again.

Didn't the band Hole have a big hit that year with the song "Celebrity Skin"?

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:03 am
by rbavfan
lavalampluva wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
Is there that much of a market between Boston and the Hawaiian Islands?

I'm surprised they are starting this now. A Winter start would be far better. :twocents:


Summer is high season in Hawaii. While if I was living in Boston I'd rather go to HNL in the winter time. But November to March is the rainy season in Hawaii. People do not like to go on vacation and have rain all day. So no, winter would not be a better start date to Hawaii.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:25 am
by rbavfan
77H wrote:
SFODude wrote:
77H wrote:

With WN entering the Hawaii market they very well may need to consider offering connections to supplement their current strategy.

77H

HNL s the only market from US where you can fly nonstop to GUM. A lot of people try to go via TYO, but that is not a valid a Freedom flight for Americans, unless they clear Japanese customs and have to spend a minimum number of hours in Japan. Most only works on a US Airline SFO NRT GUM. Can not fly SFO NRT GUM on JL/NH. SFO HNL GUM on UA is the most logical option (and quickest). PR used to make a tech stop from SFO/LAX with A340s, but could not carry local traffic. Purely tech/fuel stop.


Apologies but to whom are you replying ? No one attached to this reply ever mentioned GUM so far as I can see.

77H


True the post also is about the longest us domestic flight. Not them needing connections to compete with SW in the market. There have however been several post noting the old GUM-LAX flight which would be the longest. Your replies and post had nothing to do with the topic at all. Which is actually against the posting rules. his post referred to many others in this topic. He stayed in the rules.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:28 am
by rbavfan
MrBretz wrote:
To the person upstream who asked why HA was doing this now instead of the winter: it is because the summer is one of the busiest tourist times in Hawaii. The kids are out of school.


Summer is also not Monsoon season

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:33 am
by rbavfan
EK77WNH wrote:
I'm curious as to how they get 'feed' for a flight that leaves so early in the morning. How many B6 flights arrive at Boston with enough time to connect to this?


Hawaiians flight leaves at 9:10 AM you don't think B6 has a large number of morning arrivals from 6:00 to 8:00 to provide feed?

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:07 am
by Kent350787
rbavfan wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
Yes another option to Australia/New Zealand from BOS! :)


It's not remotely time-efficient. It's more than 2x the total travel time of the best BOS-SFO-AKL. It's 22 hours more than a Delta BOS-LAX-SYD. That's properly called 'not even trying.'


Really 7 min more BOS-HNL-SYD is "not even trying" If they wanted to do that. Connection in HNL would be faster than Delta's in LAX & If it was timed that way.

Hawaiian also allows a stop over in HNL without added cost. Delta does not allow that in LAX. But then again I'd rather stop over in HNL vs LA any day.


It could be an option. Personally I think SYD-NRT-BOS is better for a range of reasons, and hardly any longer flight time.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:28 am
by ctrabs0114
rbavfan wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
A320NK wrote:
Out of curiousity, is this the longest nonstop domestic flight in the world? Maybe France to some of its territories?


I actually saw this video on YouTube which might answer your question (the answer, according to the creator, is at the 4:53 mark of the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss0nZSFlr_U


Last I checked France is not in the US. So thier domestic flight would not count anyway.


Re-read the question quoted above:

Out of curiousity, is this the longest nonstop domestic flight in the world?

THAT was the operative phrase in my response.

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:55 am
by 77H
rbavfan wrote:
77H wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Well custom doesn't mean another country. Just like in one of the many proposal for Brexit there will be custom check between Northern Ireland and rest of Britain, and that doesn't make flights between London and Belfast international


Fair enough. Though my first statement stands as fact that the only airline operating on the route designates it as and
international flight.

77H


UA & Delta are the only US carriers operating flight between GUM and SFO. But they go through HND/NRT most of the time and that flight is an international one as it stops in a foreign country. The GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL flights are international because not all those islands are US territories making them International flights.

However the GUM-HNL-SFO is a domestic flight as it does not land in any other nation in route.


DL does not serve SFO-HND/NRT and no longer serves GUM. UA is the only US passenger carrier to serve GUM now.

While UA200 GUM-HNL may technically be a domestic flight, upon arrival in HNL, all passengers are escorted to US Immigration and Customs and as such considered an an international flight by UA.

77H

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:21 pm
by DIRECTFLT
Is the HNL-BOS the longest regularly scheduled passenger flight from Honolulu? (Domestic or otherwise) currently operating?

Re: HA Starts HNL-BOS Today. Longest Scheduled Domestic Flight in US HIstory

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:34 pm
by BAINY3
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Is the HNL-BOS the longest regularly scheduled passenger flight from Honolulu? (Domestic or otherwise) currently operating?

Jetstar flies HNL-MEL, which is about 400 miles longer.