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Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:19 pm
by Journei
The number of flights between India and Vietnam is exactly zero, not a single direct flight between these two countries.

Why not? They are not that far apart and you'd think there would be a market.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:59 pm
by Cunard
Well there's obviously not a large enough market for direct flights between India and Vietnam otherwise we'd see Vietnam Airlines or Air India or any of the other Indian airlines operating a route.

There aren't any cultural ties between the two countries and not much in the way of economical ties but in saying that it is rather surprising there are no direct flights between the two countries even if it wasn't daily.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:40 am
by kriskim
I believe there are some charter/seasonal services to Gaya for Buddhist pilgrimages. But VJ was apparently looking at launching SGN-DEL services sometime this year with A321NEO.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:11 am
by pune
kriskim wrote:
I believe there are some charter/seasonal services to Gaya for Buddhist pilgrimages. But VJ was apparently looking at launching SGN-DEL services sometime this year with A321NEO.


VJ = Jatayu Airlines , an Indonesian airline. Why would they be looking at services between Vietnam - Delhi ? Apparently VJ is also code for VietJet Air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VietJet_Air . How can IATA give same code to two different airlines ?

https://airlinecodes.info/airline-code-vj

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:24 am
by filipinoavgeek
pune wrote:
How can IATA give same code to two different airlines ?j


I forgot the exact term used for it, but it's actually allowed by IATA. It happens if the codes are assigned to two different airlines where it's considered unlikely that their routes would overlap (for example if one airline is based in say Indonesia and the other is based in say Angola).

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:08 am
by anshabhi
filipinoavgeek wrote:
pune wrote:
How can IATA give same code to two different airlines ?j


I forgot the exact term used for it, but it's actually allowed by IATA. It happens if the codes are assigned to two different airlines where it's considered unlikely that their routes would overlap (for example if one airline is based in say Indonesia and the other is based in say Angola).

Very strange. Here Both Airlines are based in
(nearly) neighbouring countries

*Correction: The indonesian Airline ceased ips in 2007

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatayu_Airlines

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:32 am
by airpearl
Didn't Jet Airways fly to SGN at one stage? Although those flights made an intermediate stop in BKK en route.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:40 am
by sibibom
I think there is a lot of untapped potential. Earlier generation narrowbodies didn't have the necessary range. Now with NEO and MAX with better range and economics, it will happen sooner.

Buddhist pilgrims and Indian Tourists (who at this point are bored of Thailand, a perennial "value for money" international Holiday destination) alone will justify multiple cities to be connected.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:41 am
by rbavfan
pune wrote:
kriskim wrote:
I believe there are some charter/seasonal services to Gaya for Buddhist pilgrimages. But VJ was apparently looking at launching SGN-DEL services sometime this year with A321NEO.


VJ = Jatayu Airlines , an Indonesian airline. Why would they be looking at services between Vietnam - Delhi ? Apparently VJ is also code for VietJet Air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VietJet_Air . How can IATA give same code to two different airlines ?

https://airlinecodes.info/airline-code-vj


That web site is not accurate. This one is the official IATA website: https://www.iata.org/publications/Pages ... earch.aspx
It shows that Jatayu Airlines has no IATA code. The VJ code is alotted to: Vietjet Aviation Joint Stock Company.

IATA does not give the same code to 2 airlines. If they did Southwest would not be WN they would be SW.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:42 am
by rbavfan
filipinoavgeek wrote:
pune wrote:
How can IATA give same code to two different airlines ?j


I forgot the exact term used for it, but it's actually allowed by IATA. It happens if the codes are assigned to two different airlines where it's considered unlikely that their routes would overlap (for example if one airline is based in say Indonesia and the other is based in say Angola).



https://www.iata.org/publications/Pages ... earch.aspx

NO they do not.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:44 am
by Spiderguy252
airpearl wrote:
Didn't Jet Airways fly to SGN at one stage? Although those flights made an intermediate stop in BKK en route.


Correct. BOM-BKK-SGN on a 737-900ER until 2017.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:01 am
by Bobloblaw
Journei wrote:
The number of flights between India and Vietnam is exactly zero, not a single direct flight between these two countries.

Why not? They are not that far apart and you'd think there would be a market.

A market based on what?

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:14 am
by sand26391
I think IndiGo will add flights to Vietnam this year.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:07 am
by migair54
I think we will see some service in the coming years, Indian travellers are exploring new markets and low cost airlines like Indigo, Vistara and Spicejet are doing some new stuff, for example Indigo is opening Istambul.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:33 am
by PatrickZ80
sibibom wrote:
I think there is a lot of untapped potential. Earlier generation narrowbodies didn't have the necessary range. Now with NEO and MAX with better range and economics, it will happen sooner.


Range is not an issue unless you refer to the 737 Original series.

Mumbai - Ho Chi Minh City is 2020 nautical miles. According to Wikipedia (not a reliable source, I know) the 737-300/400/500 has a range that varies between 2060 to 2375 nautical miles, so they would just barely have made it. The 737NG (600/700/800/900) has a range of 2935 to 3010 nautical miles, so they can make it without a single problem.

Of course that's one of the longest possible routes between the two countries. A route like Kolkata - Hanoi is much shorter.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:56 am
by dtw2hyd
Because type rated Captains/FOs will leave in 100s.

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:57 am
by afterburner
Many (if not most) "Why no direct flights between X and Y" type of questions can be answered by "Because there is not large enough demand".

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:04 pm
by atal17
The problem with India-Vietnam is not that there is no market - in fact, CAPA says nearly 200,000 passengers travelled between India and Vietnam in 2017.

The problem is the market is too fragmented to adequately capture without sufficient feed from the Indian end. This is the same problem with India-Indonesia/Philippines or any ASEAN country apart from Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand.

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ops-407377

Re: Why no India - Vietnam flights?

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:04 pm
by Antarius
sibibom wrote:
I think there is a lot of untapped potential. Earlier generation narrowbodies didn't have the necessary range. Now with NEO and MAX with better range and economics, it will happen sooner.

Buddhist pilgrims and Indian Tourists (who at this point are bored of Thailand, a perennial "value for money" international Holiday destination) alone will justify multiple cities to be connected.


Pilgrims and tourists can connect at one of the many options available.

For a nonstop to succeed, you need more than just demand, you need yield; a target market willing to pay the premium for a nonstop, such as time sensitive business travelers or cargo.

So far, it appears this market does not exist.