H3w1tt
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JetBlue cabin air quality incident in BZN

Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:23 pm

While at work today (7 April 2019) our JetBlue flight to LGB was delayed about an hour and a half late due to the FA’s claiming there was a chemical smell in the aircraft. Once maintenance was contacted and arrived and decided the aircraft had nothing wrong with it they then claimed they were too ill to fly. After our station manager and pilots talking to them for about an hour they finally decided they felt better and took off to LGB where they will “be met by company personnel”. Anyone know if there’s contract negotiations in the works for B6’s FA Union?
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:57 pm

I think all the facts should come out before casting stones and claiming a work action. You cannot be sure that the flight attendants didn’t feel the effects of breathing toxic emissions in the cabin and that these effects subsided (perhaps only temporarily) after some time. In addition, perhaps they felt pressured knowing they had little opportunity for recourse into continuing on the leg to LGB. Read up (google) on aircraft environmental fume events, especially on the A320 series. Very elusive, legitimate and serious issue. These events have been shown to cause serious neuroglical damage and has been suspected in at least one eventual death. Just because maintenance didn’t find an issue doesn’t mean the crew and others weren’t feeling the after effects of a fume event. It’s is very tough if possible at all to pinpoint the source of a fume event after the fact without tearing down the entire evnvironmental/pressurization system and find out where hazardous fumes may be breaching the system. These breaches are often very short and intermittent events that go as quick as they come and leave very little clue as to their source.
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:58 pm

Aerotoxic.org. Educate yourself. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47740523

There are quite a few jetblue pilots out on medical due to toxic fumes. At least one jetblue pilot will never get a medical back due to fume exposure. But hey, I’m sure it’s a “strike.” Hopefully you didn’t smell any dirty socks smell or magic marker smell at the top of descent.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:07 am

impilot wrote:
Aerotoxic.org. Educate yourself. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47740523

There are quite a few jetblue pilots out on medical due to toxic fumes. At least one jetblue pilot will never get a medical back due to fume exposure. But hey, I’m sure it’s a “strike.” Hopefully you didn’t smell any dirty socks smell or magic marker smell at the top of descent.

I’m not dismissing the severity of the dangers associated with chemical smells in a cabin. However if that was the case wouldn’t the passengers/pilots smell it as well? And they reported no smell and had to negotiate with the FA’s to fly back. If it was truly the case then there needs to be additional action taken in order to keep future flights on the aircraft from ending badly.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:19 am

H3w1tt wrote:
[However if that was the case wouldn’t the passengers/pilots smell it as well?


The passengers tend to smell the real ones. Unfortunately people turn cabin odor events into political games so you never know what is real.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:22 am

That’s not the full story. I know the crew that was on that flight LOL. I can categorically say that’s not what happened. Yes there was a “fume event” but they weren’t striking, or anything of the sort. We have certain protocol in place that we must follow after a “fume event”, so much so that we are required to carry paper work with us at all times in case there is one and follow the check list procedures. If they felt ill afterwards, then they absolutely should go to a hospital as we currently have a few FA’s out from these events, and a pilots who can’t fly anymore because of one of these fume events.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:23 am

Very silly tittle for the thread. Did you almost go on strike too because your shift got extended a extra hour and a half?
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:23 am

impilot wrote:
Aerotoxic.org. Educate yourself. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47740523

There are quite a few jetblue pilots out on medical due to toxic fumes. At least one jetblue pilot will never get a medical back due to fume exposure. But hey, I’m sure it’s a “strike.” Hopefully you didn’t smell any dirty socks smell or magic marker smell at the top of descent.


Dirty Socks Smell is the result of water in the APU or Engine oil being transferred into the air supply through the bleeds. It's almost universally the result of Engine Compressor Washes or flying through weather. It is not a healthy thing to be around, but it is not something that results in a pulled medical; that's more than a little over the top. That would be like losing a medical over smoking.

It's also not something that MX will refuse to address since it's generally a good idea to look into oil consumption while they're at it, for other obvious reasons.

As for the FA's being on "strike", I also doubt that. Look for the simplest path forward. What on Earth is so important that it makes a stranding in BZN palatable? The title of this thread is incredibly (and likely intentionally) misleading.
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:24 am

H3w1tt wrote:
While at work today (7 April 2019) our JetBlue flight to LGB was delayed about an hour and a half late due to the FA’s claiming there was a chemical smell in the aircraft. Once maintenance was contacted and arrived and decided the aircraft had nothing wrong with it they then claimed they were too ill to fly. After our station manager and pilots talking to them for about an hour they finally decided they felt better and took off to LGB where they will “be met by company personnel”. Anyone know if there’s contract negotiations in the works for B6’s FA Union?


I don’t really think the company would appreciate you coming on here trying to stir things up and putting the crew on blast btw.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:26 am

Both the pilots and flight attendants followed company procedures regarding a suspected fume event:

1. Contacting maintenance
2. Contacting and being evaluated by medical professionals
3. Filing a report and meeting with company representatives following the flight

At the end of the day, we don’t know the exact circumstances regarding this incident.

D E L T A 7 7 7
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:33 am

DELTA777 wrote:
Both the pilots and flight attendants followed company procedures regarding a suspected fume event:

1. Contacting maintenance
2. Contacting and being evaluated by medical professionals
3. Filing a report and meeting with company representatives following the flight

At the end of the day, we don’t know the exact circumstances regarding this incident.

D E L T A 7 7 7



That should be the end of the thread right there...
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:37 am

H3w1tt wrote:
While at work today (7 April 2019) our JetBlue flight to LGB was delayed about an hour and a half late due to the FA’s claiming there was a chemical smell in the aircraft. Once maintenance was contacted and arrived and decided the aircraft had nothing wrong with it they then claimed they were too ill to fly. After our station manager and pilots talking to them for about an hour they finally decided they felt better and took off to LGB where they will “be met by company personnel”. Anyone know if there’s contract negotiations in the works for B6’s FA Union?


Just to clear this up, they were in fact not initially cleared to fly after reporting feeling sick from the fume event. They were in fact told by the company to go the hospital, which is what took so long. The crew didn’t want to do that in order to get the passengers out, but had to be cleared by medical and contacted MedLink in order to be able to fly back to LGB. They weren’t protesting working the flight, but you and your station manager will be contacted to clear it up further, as we know who you are. Good evening to you.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:41 am

SoCalFlyer wrote:
H3w1tt wrote:
While at work today (7 April 2019) our JetBlue flight to LGB was delayed about an hour and a half late due to the FA’s claiming there was a chemical smell in the aircraft. Once maintenance was contacted and arrived and decided the aircraft had nothing wrong with it they then claimed they were too ill to fly. After our station manager and pilots talking to them for about an hour they finally decided they felt better and took off to LGB where they will “be met by company personnel”. Anyone know if there’s contract negotiations in the works for B6’s FA Union?


Just to clear this up, they were in fact not initially cleared to fly after reporting feeling sick from the fume event. They were in fact told by the company to go the hospital, which is what took so long. The crew didn’t want to do that in order to get the passengers out, but had to be cleared by medical and contacted MedLink in order to be able to fly back to LGB. They weren’t protesting working the flight, but you and your station manager will be contacted to clear it up further, as we know who you are. Good evening to you.


Oh look, facts! Ridiculous how people go about spreading nonsense without probably even looking into what actually happened.
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:42 am

H3w1tt wrote:
While at work today (7 April 2019) our JetBlue flight to LGB was delayed about an hour and a half late due to the FA’s claiming there was a chemical smell in the aircraft. Once maintenance was contacted and arrived and decided the aircraft had nothing wrong with it they then claimed they were too ill to fly. After our station manager and pilots talking to them for about an hour they finally decided they felt better and took off to LGB where they will “be met by company personnel”. Anyone know if there’s contract negotiations in the works for B6’s FA Union?

That’s not a strike, and there have been plenty of documented cases of this occurring and FAs taken to the hospital.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:43 am

H3w1tt wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Oh .. suddenly you "feel better"? Must have been all that clean mountain air up in BZN, huh?

Bye Felicia.. you're a flight attendant .. and very easily replaced.

You do realize that if you do a search on AvHearld, there are dozens and dozens of "chemical odor" incidents that maintenance didn't figure afterwards which have sent both crew and pax to the hospital or even lead to death...or suicide of a disproportionate amount of affected crew members who have lasting symptoms years later.

What a baseless comment, shame on you.

Would it affect the pilots and pax as well though? Because no one else was complaining of a smell and would the crew fly back even if the aircraft was unsafe to fly? Our station manager said after she mentioned they’ll have to spend the night in BZN and ferry the flight back they agreed to leave which is a little suspicious...

Cockpit has a different air supply than the cabin.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:43 am

What an uneducated and misleading thread. Cabin air quality incidents are not a joking matter. As others above have stated they can cause serious, life threatening issues and be very hard to trace. Kudos to the crew for standing up and advocating for their safety and the safety of their passengers.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:48 am

H3w1tt wrote:
impilot wrote:
Aerotoxic.org. Educate yourself. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47740523

There are quite a few jetblue pilots out on medical due to toxic fumes. At least one jetblue pilot will never get a medical back due to fume exposure. But hey, I’m sure it’s a “strike.” Hopefully you didn’t smell any dirty socks smell or magic marker smell at the top of descent.

I’m not dismissing the severity of the dangers associated with chemical smells in a cabin. However if that was the case wouldn’t the passengers/pilots smell it as well? And they reported no smell and had to negotiate with the FA’s to fly back. If it was truly the case then there needs to be additional action taken in order to keep future flights on the aircraft from ending badly.


Electrical smells and fuel/exhaust smells are easy to detect. Something like “dirty socks” smells fairly innocuous. At my last airline it was dismissed as dirty/musty packs. Many pilots and FAs don’t even know what it smells like, especially in small quantities. Most pax don’t know what it smells like, hence why maybe .01% of fume events make the news. Doesn’t mean it’s not there and isn’t a problem.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:54 am

Chasensfo wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Oh .. suddenly you "feel better"? Must have been all that clean mountain air up in BZN, huh?

Bye Felicia.. you're a flight attendant .. and very easily replaced.

You do realize that if you do a search on AvHearld, there are dozens and dozens of "chemical odor" incidents that maintenance didn't figure afterwards which have sent both crew and pax to the hospital or even lead to death...or suicide of a disproportionate amount of affected crew members who have lasting symptoms years later.

What a baseless comment, shame on you.


If both maintenance crews and the flight deck crew were satisfied that nothing was amiss, then who are some flight attendants to argue otherwise? What do flight attendants know?

I hope they were all "met by the company" when they arrived back in LGB … and given a harsh warning. Their theatrics delayed a flight for 90 minutes. Unacceptable.
 
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Re: JetBlue FA’s go on strike in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:56 am

I don’t mean this disparagingly, but also can be an occurrence of mass hysteria where people who work closely with each other can subconscious renforce another’s concerns. Potentially why the tech crew didn’t smell it as they had less contact with the FA.

There was a case of this in MEL once with virgin ground staff, who smelt a gas leak and the terminal was evacuated. 50 odd people were takento hospital and hundreds reported symptoms- yet there was no leak was ever discovered. Mass hysteria was a suggested cause years later. Perhaps the crew felt better as they talked themselves out of it?

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Re: JetBlue cabin air quality incident in BZN

Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:06 am

Because the thread was started with an apparently faulty premise that the employees involved were engaging in a work action, the thread will be locked since the claim is unsubstantiated.

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