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Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:59 pm

Today, Sun Country Airlines continued their 2019 expansions with the announcement of 6 new routes...

From Redmond (RDM)

Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS) with connections to Dallas-Ft. Worth, Minneapolis and Providence.
Service starts September 5, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday

From Providence (PVD)

Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS)
Service starts September 5, 2019
Operates 5x/week initially with roundtrips Monday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday

Nonstop service to Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport (MSY)
Service starts September 6, 2019
Operations 3x/week with roundtrips on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

From Portland (PDX)

Nonstop service to San Diego International Airport (SAN)
Service starts October 3, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday with service moving to 4x/week on November 10 with the addition of Monday and Wednesday

From San Antonio (SAT)

Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS)
Service starts September 5, 2019
Operates 4x/week with roundtrips on Monday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday

From St. Louis (STL)

Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS)
Service starts September 5, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday

https://www.suncountry.com/About/News/2019-04-08.html
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:01 pm

Interesting adds. I would have thought PDX-MSY would have happened first. RDM to LAS is a good add. There was rumor Allegiant was looking at re-adding that route.

The less than daily schedules sure allow them to add more routes and maximize fleet utilization.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:04 pm

flyoregon wrote:
Interesting adds. I would have thought PDX-MSY would have happened first. RDM to LAS is a good add. There was rumor Allegiant was looking at re-adding that route.

The less than daily schedules sure allow them to add more routes and maximize fleet utilization.


I agree, however they seem to be expanding quickly in the PVD market. I wouldn't be surprised if some routes such as MSN-TPA or STL-RSW have more flights per week VS last winter, I know they plan to bring back MSN in the winter. I saw someone tweet SY and SY said: "We love those routes!"
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:08 pm

For the direction SY is going, these adds make sense. Hopefully they work.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:20 pm

RDM gives all us FAT fanboys and fangirls hope!
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:33 pm

PVD-MSY, eh? I think B6's BOS-MSY 2x daily has that well covered, with Spirit's not-quite-daily already providing the very low fares.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:34 pm

LAS was PVD’s second largest airport without nonstop service plus there are a few connecting options at LAS to PDX and RDM.

F9 tried MSY last winter on days 247, so perhaps SY’s days 135 works better?

Either way, great to see SY growing in PVD!
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:40 pm

I don't see PVD-MSY lasting long, they're making the same mistake F9 made by flying it in the fall instead of the spring when demand is high. PVD-LAS should do well, WN flew it for many years
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:53 pm

rainaviation2 wrote:
Today, Sun Country Airlines continued their 2019 expansions with the announcement of 6 new routes...

From Redmond (RDM)

Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS) with connections to Dallas-Ft. Worth, Minneapolis and Providence.
Service starts September 5, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday

From Portland (PDX)

Nonstop service to San Diego International Airport (SAN)
Service starts October 3, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday with service moving to 4x/week on November 10 with the addition of Monday and Wednesday

https://www.suncountry.com/About/News/2019-04-08.html


Oregon seems to benefit from their current SY route planner from AS. I love it, RDM has needed a LAS non-stop since after after G4 pulled out. This I think may be 3 x weekly before long, especially with their fares.

I can't help being a little excited that when SY announced the PDX hub, with crew bases, I called SAN as an excellent destination to serve from Portland.

rainaviation2, you sure keep us updated on SY, thanks for that. What draws you to SY topics & your interest in the airline so much? Just curious, I am trying to get to know the neighbors.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:06 pm

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I don't see PVD-MSY lasting long, they're making the same mistake F9 made by flying it in the fall instead of the spring when demand is high. PVD-LAS should do well, WN flew it for many years



Second this. Don't see PVD-MSY lasting past the fall since F9 failed last trying it.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:30 pm

RWA380 wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
Today, Sun Country Airlines continued their 2019 expansions with the announcement of 6 new routes...

From Redmond (RDM)

Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS) with connections to Dallas-Ft. Worth, Minneapolis and Providence.
Service starts September 5, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday

From Portland (PDX)

Nonstop service to San Diego International Airport (SAN)
Service starts October 3, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday with service moving to 4x/week on November 10 with the addition of Monday and Wednesday

https://www.suncountry.com/About/News/2019-04-08.html


Oregon seems to benefit from their current SY route planner from AS. I love it, RDM has needed a LAS non-stop since after after G4 pulled out. This I think may be 3 x weekly before long, especially with their fares.

I can't help being a little excited that when SY announced the PDX hub, with crew bases, I called SAN as an excellent destination to serve from Portland.

rainaviation2, you sure keep us updated on SY, thanks for that. What draws you to SY topics & your interest in the airline so much? Just curious, I am trying to get to know the neighbors.


Yes they do very much benefit from Ben Brookman (if I remember that being his name)! It seems as though Jude is using some past Allegiant knowledge with routes such as STL-LAS and LAS-RDM as well.

You are very welcome. SY has always interested me with their weird seasonal routes and other very odd quirks (and boy are there MANY). They are so unpredictable (this is getting easier to predict though with PDX being added as a focus city and crew base). Also, MSP is my home airport so I get to see their operations quite often.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:39 pm

rainaviation2 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
Today, Sun Country Airlines continued their 2019 expansions with the announcement of 6 new routes...

From Redmond (RDM)

Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS) with connections to Dallas-Ft. Worth, Minneapolis and Providence.
Service starts September 5, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday

From Portland (PDX)

Nonstop service to San Diego International Airport (SAN)
Service starts October 3, 2019
Operates 2x/week with roundtrips on Thursday and Sunday with service moving to 4x/week on November 10 with the addition of Monday and Wednesday

https://www.suncountry.com/About/News/2019-04-08.html


Oregon seems to benefit from their current SY route planner from AS. I love it, RDM has needed a LAS non-stop since after after G4 pulled out. This I think may be 3 x weekly before long, especially with their fares.

I can't help being a little excited that when SY announced the PDX hub, with crew bases, I called SAN as an excellent destination to serve from Portland.

rainaviation2, you sure keep us updated on SY, thanks for that. What draws you to SY topics & your interest in the airline so much? Just curious, I am trying to get to know the neighbors.


Yes they do very much benefit from Ben Brookman (if I remember that being his name)! It seems as though Jude is using some past Allegiant knowledge with routes such as STL-LAS and LAS-RDM as well.

You are very welcome. SY has always interested me with their weird seasonal routes and other very odd quirks (and boy are there MANY). They are so unpredictable (this is getting easier to predict though with PDX being added as a focus city and crew base). Also, MSP is my home airport so I get to see their operations quite often.


OK, I totally get that, ever since SY decided to set up shop here at PDX, I have also become a fan of their expansions, especially Oregon. I didn't recall the mans name, thanks for the reminder. I just looked at their route map online & it's quite obvious that LAS is booming for SY & so is PDX. G4 & AS have had their people jump ship to bring a new guy into town. It will be interesting to see how long PDX-HNL stays under $300 r/t. Thanks again.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:49 pm

I'm a bit skeptical of FY's rapid growth in PVD, particularly of the MSY route. It's starting in the off-season, and F9 couldn't even make it work in the spring. What is the logic here?

Nonetheless, I believe LAS will be a big hit. Keep in mind FY just started PVD-BNA and PVD-MSP today...
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:57 pm

SCHATC422 wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
I don't see PVD-MSY lasting long, they're making the same mistake F9 made by flying it in the fall instead of the spring when demand is high. PVD-LAS should do well, WN flew it for many years



Second this. Don't see PVD-MSY lasting past the fall since F9 failed last trying it.


It certainly wasn't a strong performer for F9 for a few reasons:
IIRC F9 announced the route with less than 3 months' lead time
Spirit announced their daily BOS service shortly thereafter along with B6 responding by going double daily

In contrast SY is giving a lot more time to promote and develop the route. September is no doubt our weakest month, but October is one of the top 4 along with March, April, and May. As others have mentioned, the key will be letting the route mature into the spring peak season. Hopefully the BOS-MSY market has also matured enough in the past two years to warrant more capacity. It should help that NK isn't running MSY-BOS on Tuesdays and Wednesdays in the fall season.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:06 pm

4th carrier on SAT-LAS?!?

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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:07 pm

At least they are timing their LAS flights for making connections.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:13 pm

Considering that Suncountry just started flying Providence today and has already expanded service I would like to think that they have like what they’ve seen so far.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:19 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
Considering that Suncountry just started flying Providence today and has already expanded service I would like to think that they have like what they’ve seen so far.


Do we know what they've been doing marketing wise? I remember seeing F9 putting up billboards all over 195 and and advertising on the commuter rail and T.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:37 pm

msycajun wrote:
SCHATC422 wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
I don't see PVD-MSY lasting long, they're making the same mistake F9 made by flying it in the fall instead of the spring when demand is high. PVD-LAS should do well, WN flew it for many years



Second this. Don't see PVD-MSY lasting past the fall since F9 failed last trying it.


It certainly wasn't a strong performer for F9 for a few reasons:
IIRC F9 announced the route with less than 3 months' lead time
Spirit announced their daily BOS service shortly thereafter along with B6 responding by going double daily

In contrast SY is giving a lot more time to promote and develop the route. September is no doubt our weakest month, but October is one of the top 4 along with March, April, and May. As others have mentioned, the key will be letting the route mature into the spring peak season. Hopefully the BOS-MSY market has also matured enough in the past two years to warrant more capacity. It should help that NK isn't running MSY-BOS on Tuesdays and Wednesdays in the fall season.


I’ll add that when F9 added it’s 3x weekly service it was on top of daily MIA, 4x TPA, and 3x RSW. G4 had just started 2x weekly PGD, PIE, and CVG within weeks as well. There was a tremendous amount of new low fare service to be absorbed in a short amount of time on top of what was happening in BOS. A ground handling agent told me at the time that the Tuesday flights were pretty week as well. Not saying the SY flights will be gangbusters from day 1 but if the allow it to mature, come March, it should do quite well. F9 also dropped the route in early April which was pre-peak season save Mardi Gras in March.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:50 pm

On the upside they must have more 737-800 coming to the fleet. I have not heard much other then the 3 joining the fleet this month & next. I'll have to hit up my SY friends to see what's coming.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:58 pm

RWA380 wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Oregon seems to benefit from their current SY route planner from AS. I love it, RDM has needed a LAS non-stop since after after G4 pulled out. This I think may be 3 x weekly before long, especially with their fares.

I can't help being a little excited that when SY announced the PDX hub, with crew bases, I called SAN as an excellent destination to serve from Portland.

rainaviation2, you sure keep us updated on SY, thanks for that. What draws you to SY topics & your interest in the airline so much? Just curious, I am trying to get to know the neighbors.


Yes they do very much benefit from Ben Brookman (if I remember that being his name)! It seems as though Jude is using some past Allegiant knowledge with routes such as STL-LAS and LAS-RDM as well.

You are very welcome. SY has always interested me with their weird seasonal routes and other very odd quirks (and boy are there MANY). They are so unpredictable (this is getting easier to predict though with PDX being added as a focus city and crew base). Also, MSP is my home airport so I get to see their operations quite often.


OK, I totally get that, ever since SY decided to set up shop here at PDX, I have also become a fan of their expansions, especially Oregon. I didn't recall the mans name, thanks for the reminder. I just looked at their route map online & it's quite obvious that LAS is booming for SY & so is PDX. G4 & AS have had their people jump ship to bring a new guy into town. It will be interesting to see how long PDX-HNL stays under $300 r/t. Thanks again.


Ben Brookman is the former AS planner and he's picking the low hanging fruit. I do have to wonder how SY is making it work out of PDX as a ULCC versus Spirit and Frontier? Is it the destinations? The frequency? The schedule? I'm certainly not saying it can't or won't work, I just wonder why SY and not the others. Personally, I'm a fan of it, I love seeing an airline take a chance, and I wish them the best. Now, I'm just hoping for MSY.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:16 pm

More SY routes? Count me in. More places to fly to from LAS!
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:33 pm

PVD-LAS sounds like it might last. I flew PVD-LAS on WN in 2008 and it was full. I wonder when WN dropped it?
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:54 pm

I like the STL-LAS addition. I looked up fares on WN, SY and F9

Looking at the fares, 9/12 -9/15

SY with a checked bag and seat (basic $13) r/t - $252.61 - Time coming home stinks though on the return, ~7am
WN - $346.96
F9 with "perks" bundle - $312.30 (return flight is a connection and leaves LAS at 1:40am)

Should do well for them from a price standpoint.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:07 am

sunking737 wrote:
On the upside they must have more 737-800 coming to the fleet. I have not heard much other then the 3 joining the fleet this month & next. I'll have to hit up my SY friends to see what's coming.


Yes, they are getting some from FlyDubai (those aircraft are already lined up). I do not know where they are getting more planes for 2019, although I last heard they planned to NET 5 "new" planes. Which means getting rid of the -700's as well.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:10 am

TWA302 wrote:
I like the STL-LAS addition. I looked up fares on WN, SY and F9

Looking at the fares, 9/12 -9/15

SY with a checked bag and seat (basic $13) r/t - $252.61 - Time coming home stinks though on the return, ~7am
WN - $346.96
F9 with "perks" bundle - $312.30 (return flight is a connection and leaves LAS at 1:40am)

Should do well for them from a price standpoint.


I am a little surprised they aren't doing a later time on Sunday. Frontier has that redeye, if they would have an afternoon flight they could probably get more people to take them instead.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:50 am

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
I like the STL-LAS addition. I looked up fares on WN, SY and F9

Looking at the fares, 9/12 -9/15

SY with a checked bag and seat (basic $13) r/t - $252.61 - Time coming home stinks though on the return, ~7am
WN - $346.96
F9 with "perks" bundle - $312.30 (return flight is a connection and leaves LAS at 1:40am)

Should do well for them from a price standpoint.


I am a little surprised they aren't doing a later time on Sunday. Frontier has that redeye, if they would have an afternoon flight they could probably get more people to take them instead.


This fall (starting mid-August), F9’s LAS-STL is switching from a red eye to a 7pm departure out of LAS, arriving in STL right after midnight, still daily with an A321.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:29 am

F9LASDEN wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
I like the STL-LAS addition. I looked up fares on WN, SY and F9

Looking at the fares, 9/12 -9/15

SY with a checked bag and seat (basic $13) r/t - $252.61 - Time coming home stinks though on the return, ~7am
WN - $346.96
F9 with "perks" bundle - $312.30 (return flight is a connection and leaves LAS at 1:40am)

Should do well for them from a price standpoint.


I am a little surprised they aren't doing a later time on Sunday. Frontier has that redeye, if they would have an afternoon flight they could probably get more people to take them instead.


This fall (starting mid-August), F9’s LAS-STL is switching from a red eye to a 7pm departure out of LAS, arriving in STL right after midnight, still daily with an A321.


I hadn’t seen that, nice catch. And that should push loads higher on it, so good to see.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:31 am

Fascinating airline. Love to see that Sun Country, Spirit, Allegiant, Frontier, JetBlue and JetSuiteX succeeding.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:54 am

Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)
 
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Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


These are legit adds IMHO, but maybe TPA too ...
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:18 am

RWA380 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


These are legit adds IMHO, but maybe TPA too ...


I would think MSY and TPA before AUS.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:26 am

lhpdx wrote:
Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


RWA380 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


These are legit adds IMHO, but maybe TPA too ...


flyoregon wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


These are legit adds IMHO, but maybe TPA too ...


I would think MSY and TPA before AUS.


MSY would be a dream add...always wanted to visit. Maybe it's because of binging NCIS NOLA....Great to see SAN added in addition to RDM-LAS. Have to imagine SY is taking this fairly seriously, given further expansion and interest in opening a crew base. Surely not something an airline does if things aren't working out. Surprised to see that AS hasn't retaliated in any way, and this might be understandable given defending SeaTac.

flyoregon wrote:
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rainaviation2 wrote:

Yes they do very much benefit from Ben Brookman (if I remember that being his name)! It seems as though Jude is using some past Allegiant knowledge with routes such as STL-LAS and LAS-RDM as well.

You are very welcome. SY has always interested me with their weird seasonal routes and other very odd quirks (and boy are there MANY). They are so unpredictable (this is getting easier to predict though with PDX being added as a focus city and crew base). Also, MSP is my home airport so I get to see their operations quite often.


OK, I totally get that, ever since SY decided to set up shop here at PDX, I have also become a fan of their expansions, especially Oregon. I didn't recall the mans name, thanks for the reminder. I just looked at their route map online & it's quite obvious that LAS is booming for SY & so is PDX. G4 & AS have had their people jump ship to bring a new guy into town. It will be interesting to see how long PDX-HNL stays under $300 r/t. Thanks again.


Ben Brookman is the former AS planner and he's picking the low hanging fruit. I do have to wonder how SY is making it work out of PDX as a ULCC versus Spirit and Frontier? Is it the destinations? The frequency? The schedule? I'm certainly not saying it can't or won't work, I just wonder why SY and not the others. Personally, I'm a fan of it, I love seeing an airline take a chance, and I wish them the best. Now, I'm just hoping for MSY.


I wonder if it works out because SY is committed to making it work. Not sure people readily jumped on F9 to CLE, AUS, (STL), and NK to SAN, PSP, and DFW given better options on other carriers.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:11 am

AS737MAX wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


RWA380 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


These are legit adds IMHO, but maybe TPA too ...


flyoregon wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

These are legit adds IMHO, but maybe TPA too ...


I would think MSY and TPA before AUS.


MSY would be a dream add...always wanted to visit. Maybe it's because of binging NCIS NOLA....Great to see SAN added in addition to RDM-LAS. Have to imagine SY is taking this fairly seriously, given further expansion and interest in opening a crew base. Surely not something an airline does if things aren't working out. Surprised to see that AS hasn't retaliated in any way, and this might be understandable given defending SeaTac.

flyoregon wrote:
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OK, I totally get that, ever since SY decided to set up shop here at PDX, I have also become a fan of their expansions, especially Oregon. I didn't recall the mans name, thanks for the reminder. I just looked at their route map online & it's quite obvious that LAS is booming for SY & so is PDX. G4 & AS have had their people jump ship to bring a new guy into town. It will be interesting to see how long PDX-HNL stays under $300 r/t. Thanks again.


Ben Brookman is the former AS planner and he's picking the low hanging fruit. I do have to wonder how SY is making it work out of PDX as a ULCC versus Spirit and Frontier? Is it the destinations? The frequency? The schedule? I'm certainly not saying it can't or won't work, I just wonder why SY and not the others. Personally, I'm a fan of it, I love seeing an airline take a chance, and I wish them the best. Now, I'm just hoping for MSY.


I wonder if it works out because SY is committed to making it work. Not sure people readily jumped on F9 to CLE, AUS, (STL), and NK to SAN, PSP, and DFW given better options on other carriers.


I think AS is doing it's best to retaliate by matching some of SY's low fares. SFO has been sub $100 since SY announced the route. I don't think AAG needs to dump seats on SY's routes. The routes AS does compete head to head on, are already massive amounts of seats vs SY. SY is skimming brand less travelers only looking for fare on the routes AS does serve. It is clever & they are not competing with the mess that is SEA.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:02 am

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lhpdx wrote:
Nice adds...I'm looking forward to seeing what other morsel SY has planned for it focus city PDX...MSY, AUS, MIA?? ( hint, hint)


RWA380 wrote:

These are legit adds IMHO, but maybe TPA too ...


flyoregon wrote:

I would think MSY and TPA before AUS.


MSY would be a dream add...always wanted to visit. Maybe it's because of binging NCIS NOLA....Great to see SAN added in addition to RDM-LAS. Have to imagine SY is taking this fairly seriously, given further expansion and interest in opening a crew base. Surely not something an airline does if things aren't working out. Surprised to see that AS hasn't retaliated in any way, and this might be understandable given defending SeaTac.

flyoregon wrote:

Ben Brookman is the former AS planner and he's picking the low hanging fruit. I do have to wonder how SY is making it work out of PDX as a ULCC versus Spirit and Frontier? Is it the destinations? The frequency? The schedule? I'm certainly not saying it can't or won't work, I just wonder why SY and not the others. Personally, I'm a fan of it, I love seeing an airline take a chance, and I wish them the best. Now, I'm just hoping for MSY.


I wonder if it works out because SY is committed to making it work. Not sure people readily jumped on F9 to CLE, AUS, (STL), and NK to SAN, PSP, and DFW given better options on other carriers.


I think AS is doing it's best to retaliate by matching some of SY's low fares. SFO has been sub $100 since SY announced the route. I don't think AAG needs to dump seats on SY's routes. The routes AS does compete head to head on, are already massive amounts of seats vs SY. SY is skimming brand less travelers only looking for fare on the routes AS does serve. It is clever & they are not competing with the mess that is SEA.


I definitely agree - AS can't really do too much about it other than what you mentioned. The signage is still up at Sunset TC - advertising nonstops to HNL, SFO, LAS, PSP, and PHX IIRC. Not seen any other signage around Portland, but I don't get around much outside of commuting to PSU.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:56 am

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Interesting adds. I would have thought PDX-MSY would have happened first.

Same. Though they might be fearful of triggering a response from AS.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:15 am

LAX772LR wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
Interesting adds. I would have thought PDX-MSY would have happened first.

Same. Though they might be fearful of triggering a response from AS.


I suppose that's true, but SY added SAT and STL and I thought that AS would have made a retaliatory move on SAT with an E175 and would have brought back STL.

Either way, MSY is way overdue, and I bet either of the two will add it before too long.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:27 am

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Either way, MSY is way overdue

Indeed. PDX is the only FAA large-hub that MSY doesn't have a scheduled nonstop to.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:28 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:





MSY would be a dream add...always wanted to visit. Maybe it's because of binging NCIS NOLA....Great to see SAN added in addition to RDM-LAS. Have to imagine SY is taking this fairly seriously, given further expansion and interest in opening a crew base. Surely not something an airline does if things aren't working out. Surprised to see that AS hasn't retaliated in any way, and this might be understandable given defending SeaTac.



I wonder if it works out because SY is committed to making it work. Not sure people readily jumped on F9 to CLE, AUS, (STL), and NK to SAN, PSP, and DFW given better options on other carriers.


I think AS is doing it's best to retaliate by matching some of SY's low fares. SFO has been sub $100 since SY announced the route. I don't think AAG needs to dump seats on SY's routes. The routes AS does compete head to head on, are already massive amounts of seats vs SY. SY is skimming brand less travelers only looking for fare on the routes AS does serve. It is clever & they are not competing with the mess that is SEA.


I definitely agree - AS can't really do too much about it other than what you mentioned. The signage is still up at Sunset TC - advertising nonstops to HNL, SFO, LAS, PSP, and PHX IIRC. Not seen any other signage around Portland, but I don't get around much outside of commuting to PSU.


I watch NCIS NOLA & other than the french quarter it's not much that I remember. But it's a fantastic city to visit when you are younger for the partying & have done it a few times & as you get older & the pastries & food just world class. Definitely go if you can, it's totally worth the week long hangover.

I don't use MAX, but I pass Sunset TC almost daily living out near Rock Creek & Bethany. I think we will continue to see a string of cities that have a PDEW that supports sub-daily service, something SY seems to be good at & maybe this is why other ULCC's ie ... NK didn't do well at PDX, that & NK's operating times, early 6AM or middle of the night.
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:59 am

Hate to say it, but all I know of Sun Country is a small well thought of airline that changed management and got cheap and low service. The airline that stranded a bunch of US citizens in Mexico to fend their way home.

No thank you, not ever.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:07 am

flyoregon wrote:
There was rumor Allegiant was looking at re-adding that route.


They were, but....

I don't think we will see G4 re-enter RDM now with the addition of SY. I had sent them a few letters urging them to jump on the expanding RDM market before someone else did first. Well, someone else did first! :spin:
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:55 pm

I notice that SY is increasing the frequency of their new PDX-SAN route on 11/10 from 2x weekly to 4x weekly - barely a month after the route begins.

I also know that AS historically cuts their PDX-SAN service from 4xDaily to 3xDaily in early November (about the time DST ends.) That is what the current November skeds on AS show; they've even changed the flight-numbering nomenclature in the market so they are actively working on November flights already.

I wonder if there is a correlation between those 2 cx changes? Just a bit more evidence that SY is very aware of what AS is doing in their PDX markets? (WN is the 3rd carrier in the market and we don't yet know what their plans are for that time period.)

Spirit couldn't make a daily PDX-SAN r/t work -- at similar n/b times to what SY is offering -- so I have my doubts that sub-daily service by SY will be successful. And who knows, maybe AS will be provoked to retain their 4th PDX-SAN r/t for some additional time in late 2019... And we'll have to see if WN makes any moves in the market when their next sked extension comes out.

In any case, it's always nice to see new service from SAN show up!

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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:59 pm

BNA-PVD was bumped up from 3x to 4x weekly in SEP & OCT as well. Stays 4x in summer peak and 5x for NOV & DEC.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:51 pm

PVD757 wrote:
BNA-PVD was bumped up from 3x to 4x weekly in SEP & OCT as well. Stays 4x in summer peak and 5x for NOV & DEC.


SY will also keep a plane overnight in PVD with this schedule. A quick fake booking reveals that SY647 arrives in PVD at nearly midnight, and then SY646 leaves PVD for BNA at 8:00 AM in December. SY pilots from MSP are going to start getting a lot more trips rather than out-and-backs in 2019!
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:49 am

More logical adds. Filling in the holes of the legacies and ULCCs. Finally some hope for a larger, stronger SY.
 
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Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:19 pm

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Hate to say it, but....
No thank you, not ever.


i think you quite enjoyed saying it.
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