Airbus 321LXR Fans..... WHY would an airline growing into a major market like EU chose an airplane that at best would be stretched for this mission? A330 is the logical choice for this evolution, not sure they need the 333, but 332NEO would fit nicely and be capable to do JFK HNL as well as any route in Europe.
adding widebodies make fleets a more complicated and really adds to the cost. B6 needs to keep its fleet simple in order to get its cost under control.
It's going through a pretty big transition next couple of years with A320 reconfig, A220 entrance, E90 withdraw and then A321LR. A330NEO even at a good price is a pretty risky proposition. JetBlue has possibly the most conservative leadership around.
Consider the follow math
A330-200 has approximately 75% higher total operating cost than A321. I'm using this link as a basis for my guestimateviewtopic.php?t=559385
Using DL as guideline where A330-200 has 83% higher operating cost than A320.
Let's say the cost difference is same for A330-800 vs A321NEO. Let's assume B6 try a A330-200 config similar to DL (34 J + 200 Y/Y+) vs a premium configured A321LR of 28J + 112 Y/Y+. That's 234 vs 140 seat. The cost per seat in this case would still be lower A321, since it's only 67% more seat.
It's simply a lot easier to fill 28 J seat vs 34 J seat and 112 Y seat vs 200 Y seat. Especially the latter, that's really easy to fill on a route with as much demand as JFK/BOS-LON.
All this talk of B6 going transatlantic when I feel like there's so much they still have left on the table right here domestically especially out of So. Fla.
I agree completely. Out of Boston, JFK, new Midwest hub, Florida, and California. For me their UK thinking smacks of delusions of grandiosity (Norwegian, anyone?)/
B6 has the most cautious management out there whereas DY has the more aggressive. At this point, it would a lot more costly for them to try build a midwest hub or west coast hub vs going TATL. They are not adding new fleet type. The cost increase will be minimal, comparable to what WN is going through with flying to HI. Huge difference between filling a 140 seat per flight with huge ff/corporate base and point of sale vs filling 300+ seat per flight with minimal point of sale on either side.
If TATL doesn't work, they can alway redeploy them to routes like JFK-UIO/LIM or FLL-GRU.
This sounds like just another snippet of a talking point to keep people talking about these JetBlue services during the YEARS before they actually start.
The economics of this route will look a lot different after Brexit anyway, so if they do actually start, I give them two winters max before they realise the aircraft can make more money elsewhere.
Can you actually point to such places? And do think about full network impact. Think about how flying to Europe would help with ff program membership and credit card holders vs flying to VFR locations out of JFK.
And if you think they can do better flying to middle of the country out of BOS/JFK, you obviously have never looked at the numbers.