There is a thread for the orders race of 2019, but not for the deliveries as far as I can see.
If there is one, my apologies.

So, how are the deliveries going to look like in 2019?
Right now it looks like Airbus might actually win this one, as Boeing has to reduce 737 MAX production. However Boeing will probably deliver once again more widebodies than Airbus.

At the end of March Airbus has delivered 162 aircraft:
- 8 A220
-30 A320ceo
-96 A320neo
- 2 A330ceo
- 3 A330neo
-22 A350
- 1 A380
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

Boeing had delivered 95 aircraft at the end of February, 7 more than Airbus' 88.
Additionally Boeing had delivered almost double the number of widebodies.
In the next couple of days we should have Boeing's March numbers.

How can there be a race when MAX is grounded ?

imthedreamliner wrote:

How can there be a race when MAX is grounded ?

Boeing is still building MAXs; they are not delivering them. Once the grounding is over (which it will be) there will be a huge “bubble” of deliveries. However, I did read that they are going to cut production from 52 to 42 a month. I presume this is temporary; but that will definitely impact the number that ultimately get delivered.

imthedreamliner wrote:

How can there be a race when MAX is grounded ?

That one sided situation bothered nobody when Airbus produced A320 "Imago" gliders last year.

imthedreamliner wrote:

How can there be a race when MAX is grounded ?

First of all, because you have no idea what might happen in the next 9 months.

And second, all right let's not call it a race.
Still it is interesting to keep track of who has delivered what and to compare the evolution over the past.
For example, will Airbus manage to increase widebody deliveries? Will Boeing increase its 777/787 delivery rate given the 737 reduction? And so on.

Once the grounding is lifted, Boeing might even deliver 200, 300, heck, maybe 500 aircraft in one month. But can we really call it a win, then?

In the end, it shouldn't be much different than the last years, approximate total numbers for the two, with Airbus edging out the NBs (this year maybe more so) and Boeing on top of the WBs.

Boeing’s widebody lead this year is likely to be largely due to freighters and military variants.

Geoff

PerVG wrote:

Once the grounding is lifted, Boeing might even deliver 200, 300, heck, maybe 500 aircraft in one month. But can we really call it a win, then?

Do you think Boeing would have such delivery capacity in their delivery center?
Not to mention that Boeing Field will start to look like SEA with all those customer acceptance flights.

SEPilot wrote:

imthedreamliner wrote:

How can there be a race when MAX is grounded ?

Boeing is still building MAXs; they are not delivering them. Once the grounding is over (which it will be) there will be a huge “bubble” of deliveries. However, I did read that they are going to cut production from 52 to 42 a month. I presume this is temporary; but that will definitely impact the number that ultimately get delivered.

yeah its apparently temporary. but spirit isnt cutting production of fuselages, so there might be a surge in construction after the grounding is lifted

Geoff1947 wrote:

Boeing’s widebody lead this year is likely to be largely due to freighters and military variants.

Geoff

i mean 787 alone is going to rate 14. a350 is at rate 10, and a330neo is being cut to rate 3.5. so the 787 alone is gonna be outproducing the entire airbus widebody lineup. (a380 production is so low it basically doesnt count)

imthedreamliner wrote:

How can there be a race when MAX is grounded ?

If it's a race the grounding is fair game.

Boeing March deliveries
B737: 23
B747: 1
B767: 6
B777: 7
B787: 17
Total: 54

Boeing 1st quarter 2019 Deliveries
B737: 89
B747: 2
B:767:12
B777: 10
B787: 36
Total: 149

Detailed view of Airbus deliveries Q1 2019

YTD 2019 (YTD 2018)

A220: 8 (0)
A220-100: 5 (0)
A220-300: 3 (0)

A32x: 126 (94)
A319: 1 (2)
A320: 16 (35)
A320neo: 64 (24)
A321: 13 (28)
A321neo: 32 (6)

A330: 5 (8)
A330-200: 1 (3)
A330-300: 1 (5)
A330-900: 3 (0)

A350: 22 (17)
A350-900: 19 (16)
A350-1000: 3 (1)

A380: 1 (1)

Total: 162 (121)

chiad wrote:

Boeing March deliveries
B737: 23
B747: 1
B767: 6
B777: 7
B787: 17
Total: 54

Thirty-one widebodies in a month. One a day.

Phew!

PM wrote:

Thirty-one widebodies in a month. One a day.
Phew!

<calculator> The First Quarter average is only 20/month.

Thanks for the breakdown Someone83.

So it looks like Boeing put some extra resources into widebodies since it had to produce less 737s?
Or maybe it was anyway going to be that many widebodies in March.

musman9853 wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

Boeing’s widebody lead this year is likely to be largely due to freighters and military variants.

Geoff

i mean 787 alone is going to rate 14. a350 is at rate 10, and a330neo is being cut to rate 3.5. so the 787 alone is gonna be outproducing the entire airbus widebody lineup. (a380 production is so low it basically doesnt count)

The 787 will not get to 14 until later this year and the 777 in passenger form will be very low, so they will probably both deliver around 160 passenger widebodies this year, if Airbus can get their act together with the A330.

Geoff

Geoff1947 wrote:

musman9853 wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

Boeing’s widebody lead this year is likely to be largely due to freighters and military variants.

Geoff

i mean 787 alone is going to rate 14. a350 is at rate 10, and a330neo is being cut to rate 3.5. so the 787 alone is gonna be outproducing the entire airbus widebody lineup. (a380 production is so low it basically doesnt count)

The 787 will not get to 14 until later this year and the 777 in passenger form will be very low, so they will probably both deliver around 160 passenger widebodies this year, if Airbus can get their act together with the A330.

Geoff

Freight brings money too!

Lewton wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

musman9853 wrote:

i mean 787 alone is going to rate 14. a350 is at rate 10, and a330neo is being cut to rate 3.5. so the 787 alone is gonna be outproducing the entire airbus widebody lineup. (a380 production is so low it basically doesnt count)

The 787 will not get to 14 until later this year and the 777 in passenger form will be very low, so they will probably both deliver around 160 passenger widebodies this year, if Airbus can get their act together with the A330.

Geoff

Freight brings money too!

It’s not money that we are counting !!!

These silly d!ck measuring contests make me laugh. Boeing fanboys whatabout the MAX grounding and the A22X. Airbus fanboys whatabout freighters and tankers. The playground at recess.

Lewton wrote:

Thanks for the breakdown Someone83.

So it looks like Boeing put some extra resources into widebodies since it had to produce less 737s?
Or maybe it was anyway going to be that many widebodies in March.

What resources would be transferable between BFI and Everett??

Bobloblaw wrote:

Lewton wrote:

Thanks for the breakdown Someone83.

So it looks like Boeing put some extra resources into widebodies since it had to produce less 737s?
Or maybe it was anyway going to be that many widebodies in March.

What resources would be transferable between BFI and Everett??

So it was indeed planned to deliver much more widebodies in March than in January or February.

PM wrote:

Me, I think they all count. A 767 for the USAF counts just as much as an A330 for TAP. Why wouldn't it?

Of course they do, just like an A330MRTT or A319CJ also count. It's a frame and it's been delivered. Doesn't really matter if it's carrying passengers, freight, military equipment or very rich people.

Geoff1947 wrote:

musman9853 wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

Boeing’s widebody lead this year is likely to be largely due to freighters and military variants.

Geoff

i mean 787 alone is going to rate 14. a350 is at rate 10, and a330neo is being cut to rate 3.5. so the 787 alone is gonna be outproducing the entire airbus widebody lineup. (a380 production is so low it basically doesnt count)

The 787 will not get to 14 until later this year and the 777 in passenger form will be very low, so they will probably both deliver around 160 passenger widebodies this year, if Airbus can get their act together with the A330.

Geoff

Also remember Airbus is on 11 month years and Boeing 12. So rate 14 for the 787 is 168 per year whereas rate 10 on the A350 is only 110 per year. Same with all Airbus and Boeing. Even with the same “rates” Boeing will out deliver due to the fact they do it for 12 months per year and not 11. Same with the A320neo. Rate 60 is 660 per year. Boeing only need rate 55 on the MAX to match deliveries.

george77300 wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

musman9853 wrote:

i mean 787 alone is going to rate 14. a350 is at rate 10, and a330neo is being cut to rate 3.5. so the 787 alone is gonna be outproducing the entire airbus widebody lineup. (a380 production is so low it basically doesnt count)

The 787 will not get to 14 until later this year and the 777 in passenger form will be very low, so they will probably both deliver around 160 passenger widebodies this year, if Airbus can get their act together with the A330.

Geoff

Also remember Airbus is on 11 month years and Boeing 12. So rate 14 for the 787 is 168 per year whereas rate 10 on the A350 is only 110 per year. Same with all Airbus and Boeing. Even with the same “rates” Boeing will out deliver due to the fact they do it for 12 months per year and not 11. Same with the A320neo. Rate 60 is 660 per year. Boeing only need rate 55 on the MAX to match deliveries.

Slight misunderstanding. On the A320 family the rate is in regards to 12 month. So in 2018 Airbus was on average at 52.2 reaching 54 a month end of the year and delivered 626 frames.
This year, 2019, Airbus is further ramping up to 60 frames a month by summer and will be at about 700 frames for the whole year.

Rate 3.5 for the A330 I have only read here on a.net. Airbus expects to deliver around 890 frames this year and I assume there will be a few wide bodies in those numbers,

Its not really fair to include the A220 I feel.

goosebayguy wrote:

Its not really fair to include the A220 I feel.

It's effectively an Airbus product now (they market it and have a 50.01% majority stake). And we can list Embraer's in Boeing's total now, as well.

Stitch wrote:

goosebayguy wrote:

Its not really fair to include the A220 I feel.

It's effectively an Airbus product now (they market it and have a 50.01% majority stake). And we can list Embraer's in Boeing's total now, as well.

As such it's perfectly reasonable to include half the A22X deliveries. 100% of the count would be sketchy.

Bricktop wrote:

Stitch wrote:

goosebayguy wrote:

Its not really fair to include the A220 I feel.

It's effectively an Airbus product now (they market it and have a 50.01% majority stake). And we can list Embraer's in Boeing's total now, as well.

As such it's perfectly reasonable to include half the A22X deliveries. 100% of the count would be sketchy.

Let's agree on 63,79% ok?

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oschkosch wrote:

Bricktop wrote:

Stitch wrote:

It's effectively an Airbus product now (they market it and have a 50.01% majority stake). And we can list Embraer's in Boeing's total now, as well.

As such it's perfectly reasonable to include half the A22X deliveries. 100% of the count would be sketchy.

Let's agree on 63,79% ok?

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Make your case.

mjoelnir wrote:

george77300 wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

The 787 will not get to 14 until later this year and the 777 in passenger form will be very low, so they will probably both deliver around 160 passenger widebodies this year, if Airbus can get their act together with the A330.

Geoff

Also remember Airbus is on 11 month years and Boeing 12. So rate 14 for the 787 is 168 per year whereas rate 10 on the A350 is only 110 per year. Same with all Airbus and Boeing. Even with the same “rates” Boeing will out deliver due to the fact they do it for 12 months per year and not 11. Same with the A320neo. Rate 60 is 660 per year. Boeing only need rate 55 on the MAX to match deliveries.

Slight misunderstanding. On the A320 family the rate is in regards to 12 month. So in 2018 Airbus was on average at 52.2 reaching 54 a month end of the year and delivered 626 frames.
This year, 2019, Airbus is further ramping up to 60 frames a month by summer and will be at about 700 frames for the whole year.

Rate 3.5 for the A330 I have only read here on a.net. Airbus expects to deliver around 890 frames this year and I assume there will be a few wide bodies in those numbers,

rate 3.5 was based on a report from leeham a few months ago.

musman9853 wrote:

mjoelnir wrote:

george77300 wrote:

Also remember Airbus is on 11 month years and Boeing 12. So rate 14 for the 787 is 168 per year whereas rate 10 on the A350 is only 110 per year. Same with all Airbus and Boeing. Even with the same “rates” Boeing will out deliver due to the fact they do it for 12 months per year and not 11. Same with the A320neo. Rate 60 is 660 per year. Boeing only need rate 55 on the MAX to match deliveries.

Slight misunderstanding. On the A320 family the rate is in regards to 12 month. So in 2018 Airbus was on average at 52.2 reaching 54 a month end of the year and delivered 626 frames.
This year, 2019, Airbus is further ramping up to 60 frames a month by summer and will be at about 700 frames for the whole year.

Rate 3.5 for the A330 I have only read here on a.net. Airbus expects to deliver around 890 frames this year and I assume there will be a few wide bodies in those numbers,

rate 3.5 was based on a report from leeham a few months ago.

If that is, than I am sure you can bring the article.

mjoelnir wrote:

musman9853 wrote:

mjoelnir wrote:

Slight misunderstanding. On the A320 family the rate is in regards to 12 month. So in 2018 Airbus was on average at 52.2 reaching 54 a month end of the year and delivered 626 frames.
This year, 2019, Airbus is further ramping up to 60 frames a month by summer and will be at about 700 frames for the whole year.

Rate 3.5 for the A330 I have only read here on a.net. Airbus expects to deliver around 890 frames this year and I assume there will be a few wide bodies in those numbers,

rate 3.5 was based on a report from leeham a few months ago.

If that is, than I am sure you can bring the article.

https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/04/ponti ... -emirates/

"Airbus is reducing the production rate for the A330neo from six to 4.5/mo to 3/5mo, according to market sources."

musman9853 wrote:

mjoelnir wrote:

musman9853 wrote:

rate 3.5 was based on a report from leeham a few months ago.

If that is, than I am sure you can bring the article.

https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/04/ponti ... -emirates/

"Airbus is reducing the production rate for the A330neo from six to 4.5/mo to 3/5mo, according to market sources."

Yes it is mentioned there. I still do not accept that as a fact.

There is also the information, that Airbus is ramping to 13 A350 a month, while mine information is, that the supply line does nor yet enable that.

This thread is not intended for discussion unrelated to Boeing and Airbus deliveries. Discussion on the MAX grounding belongs in the appropriately named thread.

✈️ atcsundevil

https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/21/airbu ... ate-hikes/

Airbus has now paused the plan from going to Rate 13 from Rate 10 on the A350. They are going forward with the increase to Rate 60 this year and to Rate 63 next year on the A320.

Irrespective of the current rate cut, Boeing is also planning to push back the 737 production rise from Rate 57 to Rate 63 to 2022 from 2021.

Stitch wrote:

https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/21/airbus-boeing-pause-on-some-production-rate-hikes/

Airbus has now paused the plan from going to Rate 13 from Rate 10 on the A350. They are going forward with the increase to Rate 60 this year and to Rate 63 next year on the A320.

Irrespective of the current rate cut, Boeing is also planning to push back the 737 production rise from Rate 57 to Rate 63 to 2022 from 2021.

IMO or what I have been told, the limiting factor at Airbus is the supply line, even for the A330neo. A big point are always the engines. But also the many different things involved with head of version, either for a new customer or new version for a old customer. Problems that also the A321LR run into.
I believe Airbus will reach rate 60 on the A320 family in June/July and ramp right on.

At Boeing we will see 14 for the787, low rates for the 777 and for the 737 all bets are off.

Details for Boeing year to date (Q1 2019)

YTD 2019 (YTD 2018)

737: 89 (132)
737-700: 0 (1)
737-800: 19 (89)
737-MAX 8: 51 (35)
737-900ER: 13 (6)
737-MAX 9: 6 (1)

747: 2 (2)
747-8F: 2 (2)

767: 12 (4)
767-300F: 4 (4)
767-2C: 8 (0)

777: 10 (12)
777-300ER: 4 (11)
777F: 6 (1)

787: 36 (34)
787-9: 29 (33)
787-10: 7 (1)

Total: 149 (184)

Someone83 wrote:

767: 12 (4)
767-300F: 4 (4)
767-2C: 8 (0)
Total: 149 (184)

Boeing must have a hell of an accountant. They claim to have delivered 10 tankers in Q4-2018 + 8 tankers in Q1-2019. Yet only 7 have flown away to IAB/LTS from PAE so far and for a good part of Q1, deliveries were grounded due to issue of tools being found in the 7 planes having been delivered to Bases. Crazy accounting!

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Someone83 wrote:

767: 12 (4)
767-300F: 4 (4)
767-2C: 8 (0)
Total: 149 (184)

Boeing must have a hell of an accountant. They claim to have delivered 10 tankers in Q4-2018 + 8 tankers in Q1-2019. Yet only 7 have flown away to IAB/LTS from PAE so far and for a good part of Q1, deliveries were grounded due to issue of tools being found in the 7 planes having been delivered to Bases. Crazy accounting!

What they are reporting are internal deliveries between the Commercial and Military Divisions of Boeing.

Geoff

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Someone83 wrote:

767: 12 (4)
767-300F: 4 (4)
767-2C: 8 (0)
Total: 149 (184)

Boeing must have a hell of an accountant. They claim to have delivered 10 tankers in Q4-2018 + 8 tankers in Q1-2019. Yet only 7 have flown away to IAB/LTS from PAE so far and for a good part of Q1, deliveries were grounded due to issue of tools being found in the 7 planes having been delivered to Bases. Crazy accounting!

Perhaps those are deliveries from Boeing Commercial to Boeing Military.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Boeing must have a hell of an accountant. They claim to have delivered 10 tankers in Q4-2018 + 8 tankers in Q1-2019. Yet only 7 have flown away to IAB/LTS from PAE so far and for a good part of Q1, deliveries were grounded due to issue of tools being found in the 7 planes having been delivered to Bases. Crazy accounting!

Nothing crazy about it - it's called a "Contractual Delivery" and both Airbus and Boeing do them for both commercial and military customers when the customer is ready to sign the delivery paperwork and take legal ownership of the frame, but is not yet ready to take the frame off the property.

mjoelnir wrote:

Perhaps those are deliveries from Boeing Commercial to Boeing Military.

There was some speculation about that for the deliveries posted last year, but all orders and deliveries are accounted for under "BDS USAF Tanker Program". Since the mid-to-late 2000s, Boeing now accounts for orders and deliveries for new military programs based on commercial frames (KC-46A, P-8, KC-767, Wedgetail, etc.) under the Program Office (BDS USAF Tanker, Australian P-8, UK P-8, etc.). So all the KC-46A deliveries to date - and all those going forward - should be contractual deliveries to the USAF (and reported/recorded under the BDS USAF Tanker program) with the frames being flown away by the USAF as they have the space and/or pilots to do so.

Stitch wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Boeing must have a hell of an accountant. They claim to have delivered 10 tankers in Q4-2018 + 8 tankers in Q1-2019. Yet only 7 have flown away to IAB/LTS from PAE so far and for a good part of Q1, deliveries were grounded due to issue of tools being found in the 7 planes having been delivered to Bases. Crazy accounting!

Nothing crazy about it - it's called a "Contractual Delivery" and both Airbus and Boeing do them for both commercial and military customers when the customer is ready to sign the delivery paperwork and take legal ownership of the frame, but is not yet ready to take the frame off the property.

mjoelnir wrote:

Perhaps those are deliveries from Boeing Commercial to Boeing Military.

There was some speculation about that for the deliveries posted last year, but all orders and deliveries are accounted for under "BDS USAF Tanker Program". Since the mid-to-late 2000s, Boeing now accounts for orders and deliveries for new military programs based on commercial frames (KC-46A, P-8, KC-767, Wedgetail, etc.) under the Program Office (BDS USAF Tanker, Australian P-8, UK P-8, etc.). So all the KC-46A deliveries to date - and all those going forward - should be contractual deliveries to the USAF (and reported/recorded under the BDS USAF Tanker program) with the frames being flown away by the USAF as they have the space and/or pilots to do so.

AFAIK the USAF stopped accepting KC-46 after 8 delivered frames, the current stop, but Boeing has booked 18 delivered frames.

mjoelnir wrote:

Stitch wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Boeing must have a hell of an accountant. They claim to have delivered 10 tankers in Q4-2018 + 8 tankers in Q1-2019. Yet only 7 have flown away to IAB/LTS from PAE so far and for a good part of Q1, deliveries were grounded due to issue of tools being found in the 7 planes having been delivered to Bases. Crazy accounting!

Nothing crazy about it - it's called a "Contractual Delivery" and both Airbus and Boeing do them for both commercial and military customers when the customer is ready to sign the delivery paperwork and take legal ownership of the frame, but is not yet ready to take the frame off the property.

mjoelnir wrote:

Perhaps those are deliveries from Boeing Commercial to Boeing Military.

There was some speculation about that for the deliveries posted last year, but all orders and deliveries are accounted for under "BDS USAF Tanker Program". Since the mid-to-late 2000s, Boeing now accounts for orders and deliveries for new military programs based on commercial frames (KC-46A, P-8, KC-767, Wedgetail, etc.) under the Program Office (BDS USAF Tanker, Australian P-8, UK P-8, etc.). So all the KC-46A deliveries to date - and all those going forward - should be contractual deliveries to the USAF (and reported/recorded under the BDS USAF Tanker program) with the frames being flown away by the USAF as they have the space and/or pilots to do so.

AFAIK the USAF stopped accepting KC-46 after 8 delivered frames, the current stop, but Boeing has booked 18 delivered frames.

I think it is just 7 so far, unless one was accepted in the last few days. This is a good link to follow the KC-46 frames:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 2121076296

Boeing announced changes near the end of the year to sell the commercial planes to BDS who in turn sells the plane to the various Gov't / Military contracts. As long as they are consistent this method is better for stock market analysis. I'm sure they can adjust the 'sale' price between Commercial and BDS to tweak each division's profit picture.

The loss of 43 737 frames in Q1 seems higher than expected since the grounding wasn’t until 13th March?

Jack wrote:

The loss of 43 737 frames in Q1 seems higher than expected since the grounding wasn’t until 13th March?

Boeing (and Airbus) often have a delivery rush at the end of the quarter, just as January usually is below average. So it might partly explain it

george77300 wrote:

Also remember Airbus is on 11 month years and Boeing 12.

If you look at production numbers you won't find much proof of that "fact".
2018:
737 all types 580/a ~= 48.3/Month
A320 all types 626/a ~= 52.2/Month

787 all types 145/a ~= 12/Month
A350 all types 93/a ~= 7.75/Month

IMU this was only fully valid for the French A320 FAL lines. FXW never did "summer holidays" afaik.

Airbus delivered 70 aircraft in April, bring their total YTD to

A220-100: 2
A220-300: 1
A319: 1
A320: 6
A320neo: 35
A321: 3
A321neo: 12
A330-900: 2
A350-900: 7
A350-1000: 1
Total: 70


YTD 2019 (YTD 2018)
A220: 11 (0)
A220-100: 7 (0)
A220-300: 4 (0)

A32x: 183 (131)
A319: 2 (2)
A320: 22 (44)
A320neo: 99 (38)
A321: 16 (38)
A321neo: 44 (9)

A330: 7 (12)
A330-200: 1 (4)
A330-300: 1 (8)
A330-900: 5 (0)

A350: 30 (25)
A350-900: 26 (24)
A350-1000: 4 (1)

A380: 1 (4)

Total: 232 (172)

They need to do considerably better in the rest of the year if they want to deliver more than 800 aircraft.
But last year they were even lower at this point and managed to deliver way more in the last months.