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Rdeggendorfer wrote:It wasn’t denied, they pulled the application before it was formally denied or approved with conditions they didn’t like. We don’t know which. Either way, no formal decision was rendered.
Ishrion wrote:Rdeggendorfer wrote:It wasn’t denied, they pulled the application before it was formally denied or approved with conditions they didn’t like. We don’t know which. Either way, no formal decision was rendered.
Uhh I believe that was the 2015/16 JV. They resubmitted one in 2018.
NZ321 wrote:I sure hope it is approved. NZ/UA/AC need some serious competition to keep things honest. Why wouldn't it be approved? What are the known issues or objections that have to be taken into consideration?
Detroit313 wrote:It is getting approved pretty soon.
aacun wrote:Detroit313 wrote:It is getting approved pretty soon.
Thats what the agents in AKL were telling us. Along with a list of routes that will be started down under!!!!!
smi0006 wrote:I’m curious to see what happens here. QF have stated they would launch three new routes, but I expect MEL-SFO was one and not critical to the JV so they launched it. I’d imagine MEL-DFW and BNE-ORD. For AA I see LAX-BNE, and AKL and LAX-MEL seasonal.
QF are sending a 789 to HKG which I would assume is just using a frame waiting for an a decision on the JV. I do think we will see more seasonality in the route map with frequencies adjusted
I do wonder if we’d see NZ/UA respond? Perhaps including AC? But NZ and UA do compete for AU-US traffic do not too sure.
I’d imagine a decision in the next three months surely
Ishrion wrote:smi0006 wrote:I’m curious to see what happens here. QF have stated they would launch three new routes, but I expect MEL-SFO was one and not critical to the JV so they launched it. I’d imagine MEL-DFW and BNE-ORD. For AA I see LAX-BNE, and AKL and LAX-MEL seasonal.
QF are sending a 789 to HKG which I would assume is just using a frame waiting for an a decision on the JV. I do think we will see more seasonality in the route map with frequencies adjusted
I do wonder if we’d see NZ/UA respond? Perhaps including AC? But NZ and UA do compete for AU-US traffic do not too sure.
I’d imagine a decision in the next three months surely
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
smi0006 wrote:Ishrion wrote:smi0006 wrote:I’m curious to see what happens here. QF have stated they would launch three new routes, but I expect MEL-SFO was one and not critical to the JV so they launched it. I’d imagine MEL-DFW and BNE-ORD. For AA I see LAX-BNE, and AKL and LAX-MEL seasonal.
QF are sending a 789 to HKG which I would assume is just using a frame waiting for an a decision on the JV. I do think we will see more seasonality in the route map with frequencies adjusted
I do wonder if we’d see NZ/UA respond? Perhaps including AC? But NZ and UA do compete for AU-US traffic do not too sure.
I’d imagine a decision in the next three months surely
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
Yeah I don’t think a 789 could make SYD-ORD even in QFs config. But I could be wrong. Other option is maybe BNE-DFW, as I think this got quiet good loads for BNE when the 744 used to do SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD. But QF have mentioned three new routes, so both certain what the third would be? SEA has been mentioned by a few on here- but personally I have never seen the need or merit for it.
Sorry for AKL I meant year round from LAX.
I’d say QF knew UA was coming to SFO-MEL at some point and wanted the first mover advantage.
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These say SYD-ORD and MEL-DFW
Ishrion wrote:smi0006 wrote:I’m curious to see what happens here. QF have stated they would launch three new routes, but I expect MEL-SFO was one and not critical to the JV so they launched it. I’d imagine MEL-DFW and BNE-ORD. For AA I see LAX-BNE, and AKL and LAX-MEL seasonal.
QF are sending a 789 to HKG which I would assume is just using a frame waiting for an a decision on the JV. I do think we will see more seasonality in the route map with frequencies adjusted
I do wonder if we’d see NZ/UA respond? Perhaps including AC? But NZ and UA do compete for AU-US traffic do not too sure.
I’d imagine a decision in the next three months surely
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
Planes4you wrote:Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
qf002 wrote:Planes4you wrote:Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
Yes they are, started on SYD-HKG in March and will ramp up later this year as 787s replace the remaining 744s (which fly exclusively out of SYD).
Planes4you wrote:Ishrion wrote:smi0006 wrote:I’m curious to see what happens here. QF have stated they would launch three new routes, but I expect MEL-SFO was one and not critical to the JV so they launched it. I’d imagine MEL-DFW and BNE-ORD. For AA I see LAX-BNE, and AKL and LAX-MEL seasonal.
QF are sending a 789 to HKG which I would assume is just using a frame waiting for an a decision on the JV. I do think we will see more seasonality in the route map with frequencies adjusted
I do wonder if we’d see NZ/UA respond? Perhaps including AC? But NZ and UA do compete for AU-US traffic do not too sure.
I’d imagine a decision in the next three months surely
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
Ishrion wrote:Planes4you wrote:Ishrion wrote:
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf127
Planes4you wrote:Ishrion wrote:smi0006 wrote:I’m curious to see what happens here. QF have stated they would launch three new routes, but I expect MEL-SFO was one and not critical to the JV so they launched it. I’d imagine MEL-DFW and BNE-ORD. For AA I see LAX-BNE, and AKL and LAX-MEL seasonal.
QF are sending a 789 to HKG which I would assume is just using a frame waiting for an a decision on the JV. I do think we will see more seasonality in the route map with frequencies adjusted
I do wonder if we’d see NZ/UA respond? Perhaps including AC? But NZ and UA do compete for AU-US traffic do not too sure.
I’d imagine a decision in the next three months surely
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
Pbb152 wrote:Planes4you wrote:Ishrion wrote:
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
You really are allergic to facts, aren’t you?
Pbb152 wrote:Planes4you wrote:Ishrion wrote:
Why not SYD-ORD on Qantas? Range issues I assume?
For AA, they already serve AKL seasonally from LAX so I'm assuming you mean from something like DFW?
UA is launching SFO-MEL this fall against QF's MEL-SFO so there's that.
AC is launching YVR-AKL this winter.
Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
You really are allergic to facts, aren’t you?
Planes4you wrote:Pbb152 wrote:Planes4you wrote:
Because qantas 787s aren’t flying out of SYD
You really are allergic to facts, aren’t you?
I haven’t been keeping up with Australian aviation because recently the 787s DIDN'T fly out of SYD…
ITSTours wrote:NZ321 wrote:I sure hope it is approved. NZ/UA/AC need some serious competition to keep things honest. Why wouldn't it be approved? What are the known issues or objections that have to be taken into consideration?
NZ-UA JV does not include Australia. AA-QF JV will easily dominate the US-Australia market.
ZK-NBT wrote:ITSTours wrote:NZ321 wrote:I sure hope it is approved. NZ/UA/AC need some serious competition to keep things honest. Why wouldn't it be approved? What are the known issues or objections that have to be taken into consideration?
NZ-UA JV does not include Australia. AA-QF JV will easily dominate the US-Australia market.
And NZ/AC don’t have a JV although I think they applied for one years ago when NZ first started YVR in 2007? AC are now starting a seasonal YVR-AKL, weather they apply for a JV now to cover Australia/NZ-Canada?
NZ dominate AKL-US like QF dominate OZ-US although QF get more competition, it is a much larger market ex Australia.
"We don’t know for sure, but everything's been submitted and all signs indicate that it will be some time soon," Mr Stache said.
Pcoder wrote:Reuters is usually very accurate on these reports, so I'll expect some confirmation soon.
It's probably not great for consumers.
sagechan wrote:AA side is fairly easy to predict, AA upgauges SYD back to 77W, AKL goes back to year round or near year round, MEL and BNE added on 789. Not quite sure what QF does with the frames AA frees up. Probably MEL-DFW, and some others
grbauc wrote:Pcoder wrote:Reuters is usually very accurate on these reports, so I'll expect some confirmation soon.
It's probably not great for consumers.
Airfares are has affordable has 20years ago and that’s not good enough???
chepos wrote:This should have been approved the first time around. Either way, hopefully this means the return of AKL to year round and SYD back to the 77W.
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UPlog wrote:Lets see what the conditions are.
Remember last time airlines pulled their application since they did not like the Obama admin proposed conditions.
Ishrion wrote:
UPlog wrote:Lets see what the conditions are.
Remember last time airlines pulled their application since they did not like the Obama admin proposed conditions.