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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:44 am

Boof02671 wrote:
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Boof02671 wrote:
Just messaged with a friend at AA JFK MTC, plane is pickled and parked, mums the word on what’s wrong or what decision to be made. Rumor has it wing might be bent.

Thanks.

That does not sound like it's coming back any time soon, nor does it sound like minor damage.

Can a 5 year old A321 economically come back from a bent wing?

Man, this sounds like it was a way more serious situation than perhaps the crew appreciated in the air.

Yes they can fix/replace a wing. They’d have to bring in the Airbus AOG team. It all depends what the insurance company determines if it will be fixed or not.

They can scrap it, AA can convert an existing A321 which probably won’t be cost effective, order or covert an existing new build or do nothing as they are still enough planes to fly the routes. They are ending A321T service from and too BOS.


Wasn't it you who said on this forum a couple of weeks ago the airplane was repaired? ;)

Anyways, the frame is in long term storage, and I have no idea what will happen to it. Could it return to service? Possibly some day. But it could well turn out to be a write off as well.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:16 pm

apodino wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
D L X wrote:
Thanks.

That does not sound like it's coming back any time soon, nor does it sound like minor damage.

Can a 5 year old A321 economically come back from a bent wing?

Man, this sounds like it was a way more serious situation than perhaps the crew appreciated in the air.

Yes they can fix/replace a wing. They’d have to bring in the Airbus AOG team. It all depends what the insurance company determines if it will be fixed or not.

They can scrap it, AA can convert an existing A321 which probably won’t be cost effective, order or covert an existing new build or do nothing as they are still enough planes to fly the routes. They are ending A321T service from and too BOS.


Wasn't it you who said on this forum a couple of weeks ago the airplane was repaired? ;)

Anyways, the frame is in long term storage, and I have no idea what will happen to it. Could it return to service? Possibly some day. But it could well turn out to be a write off as well.

Yes I did from the information that was given. TULE sent mechanics to JFK to fix the plane. Upon further other found more damage.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:01 pm

Any updates on this incident? Is the aircraft still on the ground and when will the official investigation findings be released?
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:04 pm

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Any updates on this incident? Is the aircraft still on the ground and when will the official investigation findings be released?


I flew through JFK yesterday and saw an A321 parked at the AA hangar with engine covers on. That must be this bird.
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:52 pm

its still grounded, 6 months after the incident.

I followed up with American about this, and they’ve informed me that it’s still grounded as part of the NTSB investigation. This must be quite an involved repair and investigation, and I’ll be curious to see when the plane flies again.


https://onemileatatime.com/american-a321-grounded/
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:21 pm

jumbojet wrote:
its still grounded, 6 months after the incident.

I followed up with American about this, and they’ve informed me that it’s still grounded as part of the NTSB investigation. This must be quite an involved repair and investigation, and I’ll be curious to see when the plane flies again.


https://onemileatatime.com/american-a321-grounded/

An AA airbus pilot buddy of mine said they were a lot closer to losing control completely and crashing the airplane than most realize/appreciate. Glad it worked out with *just* a possibly scrapped A321 and no injuries or loss of life.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:00 am

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Glad it worked out with *just* a possibly scrapped A321 and no injuries or loss of life.


*scraped

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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:22 am

sonicruiser wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
Glad it worked out with *just* a possibly scrapped A321 and no injuries or loss of life.


*scraped

One letter makes a big difference :D


Perhaps not depending on how bad the damage is. It's been grounded for six months. It can't be good.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:32 am

sonicruiser wrote:
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Glad it worked out with *just* a possibly scrapped A321 and no injuries or loss of life.


*scraped

One letter makes a big difference :D

Hmm. A scrape that caused it to be scrapped (possibly).
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:33 am

I am suprised about the remarkable silence after this serious incident. No real details from the NTSB or did I miss it?

The NTSB should have a very good idea on what happened now. I didn`t see any AD regarding this incident. If this was really an uncommanded roll due to a computer error, an AD or warning should have been published by now to warn all A321 operators? So the absence should be an indication for a non-airframe related cause?
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:43 am

So serious damage to leave the plane grounded all this time yet the pilots flew it all the way to JFK.

Similar to the 738 tail strike they had few years back at LAX when the pilots then flew all the way to YYZ where the extensive damage was discovered. Obviously passengers at risk in both cases.




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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:48 am

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So serious damage to leave the plane grounded all this time yet the pilots flew it all the way to JFK.

Similar to the 738 tail strike they had few years back at LAX when the pilots then flew all the way to YYZ where the extensive damage was discovered. Obviously passengers at risk in both cases.




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The plane had take-off from JFK, did a loop in the sky and returned to JFK. Pilots got the plane on the ground promptly after recognizing something was wrong (roll tendency).
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:53 am

anymaninfc wrote:
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So serious damage to leave the plane grounded all this time yet the pilots flew it all the way to JFK.

Similar to the 738 tail strike they had few years back at LAX when the pilots then flew all the way to YYZ where the extensive damage was discovered. Obviously passengers at risk in both cases.




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The plane had take-off from JFK, did a loop in the sky and returned to JFK. Pilots got the plane on the ground promptly after recognizing something was wrong (roll tendency).
Ok thanks for that, my apologies.


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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:39 am

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The plane had take-off from JFK, did a loop in the sky and returned to JFK. Pilots got the plane on the ground promptly after recognizing something was wrong (roll tendency).

That's not QUITE consistent with what has been discussed on this thread.

Pilots seemed to have intended to continue to LA, but after they passed 10k feet, they radioed to JFK that they were going to come back just to be safe. My guess (and others) is that when they got some altitude, the flight attendants told them they had hit the ground.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:32 am

6 months of a bird sitting at JFK is not insignificant. Looking forward to reading NTSB's report.
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:37 am

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On the ATC recordings, the crew reported a 45 degree bank at rotation.

that's pretty considerable ...


The computer voice was probably squaking to them since the Airbus as I recall is limited to a 35 degree bank.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:33 pm

freakyrat wrote:
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On the ATC recordings, the crew reported a 45 degree bank at rotation.

that's pretty considerable ...


The computer voice was probably squaking to them since the Airbus as I recall is limited to a 35 degree bank.

What does that mean? Would the voice continue for the rest of the flight or only while in the extreme bank?
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:59 pm

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anymaninfc wrote:

The plane had take-off from JFK, did a loop in the sky and returned to JFK. Pilots got the plane on the ground promptly after recognizing something was wrong (roll tendency).

That's not QUITE consistent with what has been discussed on this thread.

Pilots seemed to have intended to continue to LA, but after they passed 10k feet, they radioed to JFK that they were going to come back just to be safe. My guess (and others) is that when they got some altitude, the flight attendants told them they had hit the ground.


You can listen to the ATC audio, it will clarify any misconceptions about why the flight turned back to AA
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:19 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
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Boof02671 wrote:
Here’s the link to the accident article on Avherald.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4c68c5a8&opt=0

Fair use quote:

According to information The Aviation Herald received on Apr 12th 2019 ground tracks reveal the aircraft was dragging its left wing tip for quite some distance on the ground, the ground tracks even suggest the aircraft came close to ground loop. The aircraft and left wing tip became airborne just ahead of the runway sign, the left wing tip impacted the sign, parts of which became embedded in the left wing tip. The wing also sustained according damage to its underside near the wingtip.


Oy! That takeoff, along with the 45 degree roll reported above, had to be a real butt clencher for the pilots!


I wonder what some the passengers were thinking, it seems to me the crew had no clue until someone in back told them.


That's what I was thinking. The pilots didn't seem concerned until well over NJ?
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:22 pm

What would be the cause of such an abnormal takeoff?

Is this question ok to ask? I'm not sure what I can post anymore or not.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:31 pm

Pellegrine wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Fair use quote:



Oy! That takeoff, along with the 45 degree roll reported above, had to be a real butt clencher for the pilots!


I wonder what some the passengers were thinking, it seems to me the crew had no clue until someone in back told them.


That's what I was thinking. The pilots didn't seem concerned until well over NJ?

I think we’d have to see the CVR transcript to know much about what was going on in the cockpit. It seems as though some are inferring that the flight should have done an immediate return. In reality, taking time, making a proper assessment, and a good decision are all best done methodically, and carefully. There are no bonus points for speed.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:12 am

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ikolkyo wrote:

I wonder what some the passengers were thinking, it seems to me the crew had no clue until someone in back told them.


That's what I was thinking. The pilots didn't seem concerned until well over NJ?

I think we’d have to see the CVR transcript to know much about what was going on in the cockpit. It seems as though some are inferring that the flight should have done an immediate return. In reality, taking time, making a proper assessment, and a good decision are all best done methodically, and carefully. There are no bonus points for speed.

Continuing to climb and accelerate suggests the pilots were not aware that they had collided with something. If they had leveled off and alerted ATC that they needed to troubleshoot something, perhaps. Instead, the accepted clearances to climb to 11000 and the 20000 feet.
Not a pilot, but I’d assume that if they were aware of a potential structural problem, they would have alerted atc, declared an emergency, and not continued their climb.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:03 am

D L X wrote:
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Pellegrine wrote:

That's what I was thinking. The pilots didn't seem concerned until well over NJ?

I think we’d have to see the CVR transcript to know much about what was going on in the cockpit. It seems as though some are inferring that the flight should have done an immediate return. In reality, taking time, making a proper assessment, and a good decision are all best done methodically, and carefully. There are no bonus points for speed.

Continuing to climb and accelerate suggests the pilots were not aware that they had collided with something. If they had leveled off and alerted ATC that they needed to troubleshoot something, perhaps. Instead, the accepted clearances to climb to 11000 and the 20000 feet.
Not a pilot, but I’d assume that if they were aware of a potential structural problem, they would have alerted atc, declared an emergency, and not continued their climb.


I agree, seems to indicate they weren’t aware. I would have leveled-off, and pulled speed, knowing what we know now. Who knows what their discussions were? It will all be a matter of record eventually.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:37 am

Has the crew been grounded until the investigation is finished?
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:47 am

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Has the crew been grounded until the investigation is finished?


Usually not. The airline will retrain as necessary and off they will go back to the line. the airline already knows the cause and what happened and if firing was needed it’s already been done.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:23 am

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I was on this flight and it was the roughest takeoff by far I had ever been a part of.


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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:01 am

anymaninfc wrote:
71Zulu wrote:
So serious damage to leave the plane grounded all this time yet the pilots flew it all the way to JFK.

Similar to the 738 tail strike they had few years back at LAX when the pilots then flew all the way to YYZ where the extensive damage was discovered. Obviously passengers at risk in both cases.




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The plane had take-off from JFK, did a loop in the sky and returned to JFK. Pilots got the plane on the ground promptly after recognizing something was wrong (roll tendency).


I guessing it was the loop then, that caused the damage. :duck:
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:52 am

Were these US-based pilots? Just curious that's all. No agendas or anything.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:05 am

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Were these US-based pilots? Just curious that's all. No agendas or anything.


I'm guessing that's a requirement to fly for a US airline.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:54 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
Were these US-based pilots? Just curious that's all. No agendas or anything.


I'm guessing that's a requirement to fly for a US airline.


Interesting! What a fascinating thread.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:44 pm

Please keep this thread on topic and avoid posting baseless conspiracy theories and other flamebait. Thanks!
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:21 am

Passed by the AA hangar and the 321 isn’t where it was parked before, anyone know where it went?
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:40 am

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Passed by the AA hangar and the 321 isn’t where it was parked before, anyone know where it went?


From what I hear its been moved inside the hangar, for further evaluation. In my guess it will end up being declared a total loss and scrapped.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:22 am

This will leave AA also short a A321 transcon-configured plane. (There were only 17 in this configuration.) Any plans to reconfigure another plane to transcon? If N114NN has been out this long, I doubt it flies again.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:45 am

Okie wrote:
Lightamp wrote:
“computer problems”.
:roll:
mm320cap wrote:
So these guys had an un-commanded 45 degree roll at rotation severe enough to hit a sign,
:roll: :roll:

Me thinks a long way from 45 deg roll.

My suspicion at this point would be improper data entered either for flex/derate take-off or bugs set incorrectly for this particular take-off due to runway switch or miscalculation of crosswind component.

My first guess for dragging a wing for considerable distance would be Vr bug set too low and wing stalled out and sunk on downwind side would be responsible for the aircraft not to respond to control input if it was not at a flying speed at that point.

That is just a wild guess.

Okie


Haven't really been following the incident until now and it strikes me as a little unusual, nothing is heard until now.

But from all the assessments made in this thread, this quote by Okie seems to me the most plausible, A wing near stall would explain a whole many of characteristics the crew explained. Unresponsive side stick? Of course with barely enough airflow over the ailerons. On the other hand, a modern airliners wing is designed to stall root first to keep the ailerons functional as long as possible.
And I wonder how they gained enough lift resolve the situation in the end. Not much room under the keel to unload the wing...

A computer glitch? With thousands and thousands of 320fam flying since three decades? Possible, but hardly likely.
Wake turbulence? Could only exist if any plane prior to the 321 had a rotation with a *shorter* take off roll than the AA plane. And, as long as the 321 isn't producing (significant) lift, I am not sure, of a wake would lift the wing enough anyway. Anybody any insight into this?

Regarding the CVR: I am pretty confident a five year old A321 has 2hrs recording time despite the fact, that it became mandatory only for certification post-1998, if I remember correctly.

Apart from that I am with Scrmbl...strange crew behaviour after such an experience. But humans to unexpected things in the aftermath of stressful situations. So who knows...
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:52 am

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A good job those pilots had there 1500hrs before being given comand of this plane.


Yeah? How did 1500hrs making Coffee runs in Idaho or towing banners along Miami Beach in a SEP help you flying an airliner?
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 am

It is also possible that the NTSB has “embargoed” the aircraft during the investigation. If they can come up with no plausible explanation, they might still be looking for a cause. There might be a smoking gun somewhere in the airframe.

This was done during the 737 rudder hardover accidents when they were able to investigate an aircraft that actually made it to the ground intact. No one was allowed near the airframe until a cause was found.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:04 am

its been 7mths or so since the incident. Aircraft still stored and no flights taken yet. Surely they can change the sharklet
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:11 am

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It is also possible that the NTSB has “embargoed” the aircraft during the investigation. If they can come up with no plausible explanation, they might still be looking for a cause. There might be a smoking gun somewhere in the airframe.

This was done during the 737 rudder hardover accidents when they were able to investigate an aircraft that actually made it to the ground intact. No one was allowed near the airframe until a cause was found.


That would be my take on it as well.
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:48 am

I heard it through the grapevine that Airbus Reps, legal counsel, Insurance Reps, and AA engineering reps were all on site today to address the airplane. I also heard MX compiled wilt an engineering order prior to the visit. If this is true, we could be looking a write off. I hope not.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:59 am

Nicoeddf wrote:
Exeiowa wrote:
A good job those pilots had there 1500hrs before being given comand of this plane.


Yeah? How did 1500hrs making Coffee runs in Idaho or towing banners along Miami Beach in a SEP help you flying an airliner?


Pretty sure that was sarcasm, along with pointing out the common refrain on this forum that foreign trained pilots are "different."
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:35 am

9w748capt wrote:
Nicoeddf wrote:
Exeiowa wrote:
A good job those pilots had there 1500hrs before being given comand of this plane.


Yeah? How did 1500hrs making Coffee runs in Idaho or towing banners along Miami Beach in a SEP help you flying an airliner?


Pretty sure that was sarcasm, along with pointing out the common refrain on this forum that foreign trained pilots are "different."


No, it was a pretty direct question.
Foreign pilots? Foreign to what? The USA?
I don't care about the whereabouts of anyone - I care about mindset and the training a fellow pilot receives.

And I don't see any evidence that 1500hrs flying SEP prior to a jet is in any way helping accident numbers in the States vs. other developed countries.
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Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:18 pm

My statement was meant as sarcasm mainly aimed at the level of debate often found on here. I have no special insight into what is the appropriate level of training (type/no of hours etc) at some point people who have not done something have to progress to a higher level without previously having done that thing its logically impossible for anything else. You just hope that the stepping Stones are correcly situated, and in many cases hope that something does not occur too "early" in the new period for the pilot to be ready if it does. The alternative is letting new pilots fly around empty planes until they are "ready" something which is not likely to happen or spend a lot more time in simulators, something also that we have seen reluctance in paying for.

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Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:29 pm

longhauler wrote:
It is also possible that the NTSB has “embargoed” the aircraft during the investigation. If they can come up with no plausible explanation, they might still be looking for a cause. There might be a smoking gun somewhere in the airframe.

This was done during the 737 rudder hardover accidents when they were able to investigate an aircraft that actually made it to the ground intact. No one was allowed near the airframe until a cause was found.



There are rumors amongst the airbus pilots at AA that this was a flight control malfunction of the ailerons.
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:57 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
longhauler wrote:
It is also possible that the NTSB has “embargoed” the aircraft during the investigation. If they can come up with no plausible explanation, they might still be looking for a cause. There might be a smoking gun somewhere in the airframe.

This was done during the 737 rudder hardover accidents when they were able to investigate an aircraft that actually made it to the ground intact. No one was allowed near the airframe until a cause was found.



There are rumors amongst the airbus pilots at AA that this was a flight control malfunction of the ailerons.


Those at legAAcy American Airlines have a very difficult time accepting responsibility for their own stick and rudder shortcomings. Remember, this is the insular flying club that refused to accept and publicly refuted the NTSB findings from the AA587 incident, despite training history evidence to the contrary....
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:30 am

apodino wrote:
I heard it through the grapevine that Airbus Reps, legal counsel, Insurance Reps, and AA engineering reps were all on site today to address the airplane. I also heard MX compiled wilt an engineering order prior to the visit. If this is true, we could be looking a write off. I hope not.

Definitely Airbus was there today, but I heard it more as "work has started":

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1196 ... 54018?s=20

Not to say one couldn't lead to the other, etc. And/or the report I got wasn't correct, dunno.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:47 am

From AMTs at JFK the last update I got was the wing was bent and Airbus didn’t want the liability of doing the repair.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:14 am

o0OOO0oChris wrote:
I am suprised about the remarkable silence after this serious incident. No real details from the NTSB or did I miss it?

The NTSB should have a very good idea on what happened now. I didn`t see any AD regarding this incident. If this was really an uncommanded roll due to a computer error, an AD or warning should have been published by now to warn all A321 operators? So the absence should be an indication for a non-airframe related cause?



Computer error? computer acts on input by the pilot is an HMI - if wrong weights where input then this could be the case not a reason to panic or call any other a321 operators since this is the only one of its case, or prove me wrong
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:59 am

According to my AMT friends at JFK Airbus is working the plane, I’ll see if I can get more details.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:54 am

I’m glad this thread is resurrected after a while as it is fascinating, and quite mysterious. I thought the delay in repairs were to understand what really happened and what/who was at fault, not a question of a write off vs repair, and now I understand the wing is bent therefore its a serious damage. Happy no one got hurt, but I find the pilots decision a bit weird deciding bit late to return, and find it hard they didn’t have a clue anything happened or something was wrong during take off.
I have a question? Could a non avgeek passenger sitting with a view of the wing see the damage on the wing from his/her seat?
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