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Phoenix757767
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:56 am

Just got an update and a pic, Airbus isn’t working the plane to fix a decision hasn’t been made.

“ No, we are putting the panels back on, Airbus may replace the wing. $20 million for wing vs $60 write off.”

If someone tells me how to upload the pic I will.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:01 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Just got an update and a pic, Airbus isn’t working the plane to fix a decision hasn’t been made.

“ No, we are putting the panels back on, Airbus may replace the wing. $20 million for wing vs $60 write off.”

If someone tells me how to upload the pic I will.


Upload it to imgur or something then copy the link address and paste it in the picture option in advanced options
 
Phoenix757767
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:25 pm

Here is the photo I hope.

Image

https://www.dropbox.com/s/psgcfrad8ns54 ... 9.jpg?dl=0

A/C 796 Its in the hanger @ JFK Wing is bent several inches up and also aft. Plane barely has 18,000 hrs.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:24 am

Phoenix757767 wrote:
Just got an update and a pic, Airbus isn’t working the plane to fix a decision hasn’t been made.

“ No, we are putting the panels back on, Airbus may replace the wing. $20 million for wing vs $60 write off.”

If someone tells me how to upload the pic I will.


$60 write off? I’d buy a A321 for three Jacksons.

Is this the first proposed wing replacement in a while? The last (only?) one I can think of was the DC-9 wing that Ozark purchased from Air Canada’s plane destroyed by fire at CVG.
 
Phoenix757767
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:22 am

USAirKid wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
Just got an update and a pic, Airbus isn’t working the plane to fix a decision hasn’t been made.

“ No, we are putting the panels back on, Airbus may replace the wing. $20 million for wing vs $60 write off.”

If someone tells me how to upload the pic I will.


$60 write off? I’d buy a A321 for three Jacksons.

Is this the first proposed wing replacement in a while? The last (only?) one I can think of was the DC-9 wing that Ozark purchased from Air Canada’s plane destroyed by fire at CVG.

$60 million
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:41 am

I doubt a 5 year old A321 is worth $60mil, but I'd say it's still worth more than $20mil...

Interesting case for the write-off experts of A.net.
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:00 am

How does a wing bend like that on takeoff? Just asking as an interested observer, no agenda or anything. I hope this question is ok to ask.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:54 am

9w748capt wrote:
How does a wing bend like that on takeoff? Just asking as an interested observer, no agenda or anything. I hope this question is ok to ask.

You drag it on the ground, hit surface structures, then accelerate in the air and climb to 20,000 feet before returning to base 35 minutes later.
 
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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:19 pm

USAirKid wrote:
Phoenix757767 wrote:
Just got an update and a pic, Airbus isn’t working the plane to fix a decision hasn’t been made.

“ No, we are putting the panels back on, Airbus may replace the wing. $20 million for wing vs $60 write off.”

If someone tells me how to upload the pic I will.


$60 write off? I’d buy a A321 for three Jacksons.

Is this the first proposed wing replacement in a while? The last (only?) one I can think of was the DC-9 wing that Ozark purchased from Air Canada’s plane destroyed by fire at CVG.


Just for clarity. It. Was the original Republic Airlines ( RC ), that put that DC-9-30 together with Ozark fuselage and Air Canada wings. We got our moneys worth out of it.
I flew it many times and I could never trim it out properly, other than that it was another great DC-9.
Probably just me, I only had about 17,000 hours on DC-9s

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Re: AA300 JFK-LAX Hits object on takeoff!

Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:55 pm

Capn wrote:
I flew it many times and I could never trim it out properly, other than that it was another great DC-9.
Probably just me, I only had about 17,000 hours on DC-9s
Capn

That got me thinking. A wing bent several inches in different directions should lead to a considerable handling problem. The pilots stated over the air that it flies fine. So I recon that the Airbus FBW took care of the deteriorated characteristics and it flew just as the pilots where used to?

HIA350 wrote:
o0OOO0oChris wrote:
I am suprised about the remarkable silence after this serious incident. No real details from the NTSB or did I miss it?

The NTSB should have a very good idea on what happened now. I didn`t see any AD regarding this incident. If this was really an uncommanded roll due to a computer error, an AD or warning should have been published by now to warn all A321 operators? So the absence should be an indication for a non-airframe related cause?



Computer error? computer acts on input by the pilot is an HMI - if wrong weights where input then this could be the case not a reason to panic or call any other a321 operators since this is the only one of its case, or prove me wrong

I think you didn`t understand the point I wanted to make.

In Airbus case, the computer also acts on sensor inputs only. So there is the risk that human input is overriden by the FCPC due to sensor garbage or tech failures. I think that`s what the uncommanded roll claim by the pilots are pointing to.

There was that QF A330 dive due to a cpu creating garbage. That was communicated fast to the operators.

If this unauthorized runway sign removal was a case of technical-/computer failure, my assumption is that operators would have been informed about the nature of the problem and how to avoid it. And I think that -as no AD came out - a technical problem is not likely and pilot error may be the main issue here.

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