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AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:18 pm
by Ishrion
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/stat ... 6992621574

9/4/19 DFW-TRI (Tri-Cities, Blountville, TN)
9/4//19 CLT-FNT (Flint, MI)
9/4/19 PHL-XNA (Bentonville, AR)
12/21/19 LGA-MTJ (Montrose, CO)

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:33 pm
by FSDan
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:39 pm
by cledaybuck
FSDan wrote:
I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-XNA

Did you mean something else? Because the OP says this WAS one of the adds.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:41 pm
by FSDan
cledaybuck wrote:
FSDan wrote:
I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-XNA

Did you mean something else? Because the OP says this WAS one of the adds.


No, I didn't mean something else. The OP says PHL-XNA is one of the adds.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:47 pm
by YYZORD
AA should consider adding PHX-YYZ and PHX-YYC, you got snowbird pax along with options to connect at PHX.

FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:49 pm
by FSDan
YYZORD wrote:
AA should consider adding PHX-YYZ and PHX-YYC, you got snowbird pax along with options to connect at PHX.


It is kind of odd that they fly PHX-YEG in the winter, but not PHX-YYC.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:00 pm
by MDW22L31C
ORD-ONT and DFW-BUR would be nice.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:04 pm
by Ishrion
MDW22L31C wrote:
ORD-ONT and DFW-BUR would be nice.


DFW-BUR has been flying for a bit over a week.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:05 pm
by klm617
DTW-LAX is a big hole in the AA network.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:06 pm
by bluefltspecial
I'm still surprised they haven't added RIC-PHX
I'm sure they'll jump on it if WN ever decides to show RIC some love

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:08 pm
by Aliqiout
I assume LGA-MTJ is Saturday only?

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:33 pm
by PVD757
I continue to be disappointed that PVD-DFW isn’t served.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:33 pm
by OA412
Aliqiout wrote:
I assume LGA-MTJ is Saturday only?

It would have to be as it's 1800 miles from LGA.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:37 pm
by SteveXC500
FSDan wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
AA should consider adding PHX-YYZ and PHX-YYC, you got snowbird pax along with options to connect at PHX.


It is kind of odd that they fly PHX-YEG in the winter, but not PHX-YYC.


What kind of demand is there for YYZ-PHX? I'm guessing Toronto pax are more likely to fly to the Gulf Coast areas than AZ. Tends to lean eastern NA to the Gulf and western NA to AZ/CA/w-Mex.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:53 pm
by maps4ltd
klm617 wrote:
DTW-LAX is a big hole in the AA network.


They'd probably do like SDF and make it 1x daily A319 with a redeye on LAX-DTW.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:54 pm
by maps4ltd
bluefltspecial wrote:
I'm still surprised they haven't added RIC-PHX
I'm sure they'll jump on it if WN ever decides to show RIC some love


RIC has plenty more to add before PHX from WN.

That said, PHX was one of WN's first adds at CVG, so its possible.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:55 pm
by x1234
The only major markets AA is missing now is LAX-DTW/YYZ and DFW-PTY (for Asia connections due to the Panama Canal business and the port).

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:56 pm
by Roots1
DFW-ROC/SYR with E175’s would be good adds.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:01 pm
by MIflyer12
klm617 wrote:
DTW-LAX is a big hole in the AA network.


Has AA even flown DTW-LAX in the last 30 years? UA's DTW-SFO was gone for a long time - and that had the attraction of TPAC destinations not served by NW.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:05 pm
by klm617
MIflyer12 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
DTW-LAX is a big hole in the AA network.


Has AA even flown DTW-LAX in the last 30 years? UA's DTW-SFO was gone for a long time - and that had the attraction of TPAC destinations not served by NW.


Probably not since the early 80s.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:08 pm
by cledaybuck
FSDan wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
FSDan wrote:
I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-XNA

Did you mean something else? Because the OP says this WAS one of the adds.


No, I didn't mean something else. The OP says PHL-XNA is one of the adds.

Whoops. My bad. Apparently I can't tell the difference between an L and an X. :oops:

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:12 pm
by Delta28L
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.


I would like to see AA add PIT-LAX back but they tried it and dropped it. I think it would do well maybe three or four times weekly to target the business side since NK does PIT-LAX and they go after lesurie traffic. UA is dropping CRW and CAK from IAH so that maybe a good sign for AA for competion or a bad sign since those markets can’t be sustained from IAH. PVD passengers can always connect in PHL and CLT plus they have Boston and NYC that offers more options for those headed west.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:15 pm
by airlineworker
Hoping for CLT-HVN to go daily, not just Saturday. Loads are very good. LYH-PHL is also on my wish list.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:34 pm
by cporcelli78
We desperately need CLT-ISP and DCA-ISP

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:43 pm
by GSP psgr
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.


Seconded on LAX-PIT. As far as more DFW expansion, I'd also add DFW-LNK/YWG/ALB/ROC/SYR/FCA*/PWM*/BCN*/HEL* as possibilities with FCA, PWM, BCN, and HEL as summer seasonal service.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:44 pm
by mhkansan
My personal hopes are for DFW-FAY and CLT-MHK!

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:45 pm
by SCHATC422
I'd love to see BDL-PHX brought back from the AW days on an A320 or 738.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:52 pm
by BAINY3
FSDan wrote:
PHX-COS

This used to exist. I had the "pleasure" of my first ever CRJ-200 experience on COS-PHX in 2005. It was HP Express at the time. I can't remember exactly when it went away, sometime after the US merger.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:52 pm
by airlineworker
cporcelli78 wrote:
We desperately need CLT-ISP and DCA-ISP


I would think both CLT and DCA could support a daily CRJ-700 or E-175 from ISP. Quite a large catchment area around ISP.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:52 pm
by ncflyer
CLE PHX is a head scratcher, why that one was only short lived.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:59 pm
by yulexpansion
GSP psgr wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.


Seconded on LAX-PIT. As far as more DFW expansion, I'd also add DFW-LNK/YWG/ALB/ROC/SYR/FCA*/PWM*/BCN*/HEL* as possibilities with FCA, PWM, BCN, and HEL as summer seasonal service.


I don't see DFW-HEL as a productive use of an aircraft. There is not much traffic between the two cities and not enough connections beyond HEL that make sense to DFW passengers (assuming a 1 stop journey). There is too much backtracking from HEL to European destinations. , plus LHR is better for European connections. HEL would be good for Russia (but is there enough DFW-Russia traffic...) and some Asian routes, however Transpacific makes more sense for DFW (DFW-HEL-PVG: 9,828mi, DFW-NRT-PVG: 7,546mi)

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:18 pm
by GSP psgr
yulexpansion wrote:
GSP psgr wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.


Seconded on LAX-PIT. As far as more DFW expansion, I'd also add DFW-LNK/YWG/ALB/ROC/SYR/FCA*/PWM*/BCN*/HEL* as possibilities with FCA, PWM, BCN, and HEL as summer seasonal service.


I don't see DFW-HEL as a productive use of an aircraft. There is not much traffic between the two cities and not enough connections beyond HEL that make sense to DFW passengers (assuming a 1 stop journey). There is too much backtracking from HEL to European destinations. , plus LHR is better for European connections. HEL would be good for Russia (but is there enough DFW-Russia traffic...) and some Asian routes, however Transpacific makes more sense for DFW (DFW-HEL-PVG: 9,828mi, DFW-NRT-PVG: 7,546mi)


I was thinking Russia, seasonal Scandinavian and Baltic traffic, and Indian VFR traffic. Once Finnair gets a bunch of 321neos, I'm expecting them to start flowing traffic to secondary India in a big way.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:34 pm
by N292UX
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.

I'm surprised AA doesn't already fly PHX-COS/MSY/BNA. The same went with RDU until they recently launched it. You'd think all of those would work. My bet is that BNA will come first.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:41 pm
by FSDan
N292UX wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.

I'm surprised AA doesn't already fly PHX-COS/MSY/BNA. The same went with RDU until they recently launched it. You'd think all of those would work. My bet is that BNA will come first.


As someone else pointed out, AA (or US, at least) has flown PHX-COS in the past. I think it would make sense for them to re-connect that spoke since COS has no westbound options on AA as of now.

Agreed regarding MSY, BNA, and (until recently) RDU. Those are all markets with strong AA presence and brand recognition, so I'd be surprised if AA wasn't able to make a daily 319/320 flight work to each of them from PHX.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:43 pm
by RWA380
N292UX wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.

I'm surprised AA doesn't already fly PHX-COS/MSY/BNA. The same went with RDU until they recently launched it. You'd think all of those would work. My bet is that BNA will come first.


I've flown PHX-BNA on AA, back in the hub days at BNA. Now they are hubbed at PHX & it no longer makes economic sense? HP used to cover COS & MSY, too bad AA hasn't retained the routes.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:05 pm
by Art at ISP
cporcelli78 wrote:
We desperately need CLT-ISP and DCA-ISP


Amen to that, my friend....

Alternatively we need DL to DTW and/or ATL.... If AA won't play, someone else should....

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:08 pm
by SESGDL
x1234 wrote:
The only major markets AA is missing now is LAX-DTW/YYZ and DFW-PTY (for Asia connections due to the Panama Canal business and the port).


Pretty sure LAX-MSP is a major market that’s missing as well, although this has been tried unsuccessfully recently.

Jeremy

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:10 pm
by jensona6
Ishrion wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1116381286992621574

9/4/19 DFW-TRI (Tri-Cities, Blountville, TN)
9/4//19 CLT-FNT (Flint, MI)
9/4/19 PHL-XNA (Bentonville, AR)
12/21/19 LGA-MTJ (Montrose, CO)


Oh man I always looked on for other cities to connect while travelling to TRI, glad to see DFW got added in the list.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:11 pm
by AVLAirlineFreq
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

DFW-CRW


AA did fly this from 2013-2015 before ending in part because of operational issues.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:14 pm
by dfw88
GSP psgr wrote:

Seconded on LAX-PIT. As far as more DFW expansion, I'd also add DFW-LNK/YWG/ALB/ROC/SYR/FCA*/PWM*/BCN*/HEL* as possibilities with FCA, PWM, BCN, and HEL as summer seasonal service.


DFW-FCA starts in June.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:15 pm
by PA12
Why not ORD-MFE for snowbirds?
ELP to the east coast? DCA, LGA or JFK, MIA?

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:50 pm
by LovePrunesAnet
N292UX wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

I think the following domestic routes would also play to AA's strengths and round out their network:
PHX-COS
PHX-XNA
PHX-MSY
PHX-BNA
DFW-CAK
DFW-CRW
DFW-PVD

It would also be nice to see LAX-PIT come back. I was surprised when they cut that one.

I'm surprised AA doesn't already fly PHX-COS/MSY/BNA. The same went with RDU until they recently launched it. You'd think all of those would work. My bet is that BNA will come first.


Another "I'm surprised AA doesn't already fly" is from DFW to ROA/CHO. They seem to be the 2 largest Southeastern cities (Legacy USAir only) that would benefit exponentially from a nonstop to Dallas. The flights from ORD to both of those cities have become the most heavily flown for pax numbers (at least for CHO). I would think the same would happen for DFW.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:58 pm
by cathay747
SteveXC500 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
AA should consider adding PHX-YYZ and PHX-YYC, you got snowbird pax along with options to connect at PHX.


It is kind of odd that they fly PHX-YEG in the winter, but not PHX-YYC.


What kind of demand is there for YYZ-PHX? I'm guessing Toronto pax are more likely to fly to the Gulf Coast areas than AZ. Tends to lean eastern NA to the Gulf and western NA to AZ/CA/w-Mex.


At least during the winter, there is huge demand from Canada to PHX my friend. We are inundated with "snow birds" every season. And you contradicted yourself here: and western NA to AZ/CA/w-Mex
PHX is in AZ.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:02 pm
by WeatherPilot
AA needs to add DFW-SYR and MIA-SYR

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:18 pm
by uconn99
SCHATC422 wrote:
I'd love to see BDL-PHX brought back from the AW days on an A320 or 738.


2nd that, PHX is one of the largest holes from BDL. US actually flew the route in the mid to late 2000's after HP.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:00 pm
by BrodieBruce
Would honestly like to see PHX-BIL/BZN/MSO. Those seem like logical adds IMO.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:28 am
by UALFAson
RWA380 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
I'm surprised AA doesn't already fly PHX-COS/MSY/BNA. The same went with RDU until they recently launched it. You'd think all of those would work. My bet is that BNA will come first.


I've flown PHX-BNA on AA, back in the hub days at BNA. Now they are hubbed at PHX & it no longer makes economic sense? HP used to cover COS & MSY, too bad AA hasn't retained the routes.


I think the question with BNA-PHX is what does it provide passengers that BNA-LAX doesn't? AA needs frequency on the LAX route to compete with WN and DL nonstop and probably to some extent with UA to SFO for connections. I'm sure AA gets plenty of premium revenue up front to LAX from biz folks and entertainment industry (it's rare to take that flight and not see a celeb sneak on at the last minute) then supplement that with O&D and connecting leisure pax filling up Economy.

Adding another West Coast(-ish) flight would just be competing against themselves for connecting passengers. It's a lot of time tying up an aircraft as well for no real system-wide benefit.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:48 am
by sagechan
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Good adds for AA - these all make a lot of sense and should perform well.

DFW-CRW


AA did fly this from 2013-2015 before ending in part because of operational issues.


Yeah, bumping 5-30 pax 40% of the time on a 2.5 hr CRJ tourture flight was an operational issue!

With IAH cancelled I think 1-2 daily CR7 would work, probably lose a CLT flight to do it though.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:05 am
by jplatts
MIflyer12 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
DTW-LAX is a big hole in the AA network.


Has AA even flown DTW-LAX in the last 30 years? UA's DTW-SFO was gone for a long time - and that had the attraction of TPAC destinations not served by NW.


UA had brought back DTW-SFO nonstop service back in June 2017.

I agree that AA adding DTW-LAX nonstop service might happen since DTW is one of the top markets traveled to from Greater Los Angeles that AA doesn't currently serve nonstop from LAX. DTW also already has nonstop service to the West Coast on AS, NK, and UA in addition to DL. AA also has more market share at LAX than any other airline, even though LAX is a hub for AA, DL, UA, and AS.

Other top domestic destinations traveled to from Greater Los Angeles that AA doesn't currently serve nonstop from LAX include BOI, BUF, CVG, CLE, MCI, MEM, MKE, MSP, GEG, and TPA.

Re: AA Adds New Routes

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:08 am
by NolaMD88fan
My brother lives near TRI, so having another option to connect through is great. Current options were only CLT or ATL. Not great if a storm is impacting the Piedmont.