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DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:24 pm

We're currently getting hit by some strong storms in the DFW area, a lot of flights have diverted. The more interesting ones are bolded.

Flight Number - Aircraft - Origin

Diversions to PHX

QF7 A380 SYD

Diversions to OKC

NK214 320 LAS
AA2769 738 RNO
AA3264 CR7 LAW
AA6 772 OGG
DL9935 712 DTW
AA2491 738 DTW

Diversions to GGG

AA2797 738 ONT

Diversions to TUL

AA2526 A321 LAS
AA2210 738 DCA
AA1403 738 BWI
AA2729 738 BDL
AA2204 738 RIC
AA1395 738 MSP
AA1590 MD83 CLE

Diversions to IAH

AA2670 MD83 MEM
AA132 321 BOS
DL3375 CR9 CVG
NK469 321 FLL
AA3398 E45 CUU
AA2575 752 MIA
AA1220 738 PBI
AA2558 321 FLL
AA3428 E35 TRC
AA2808 772 MIA
AM2682 E90 MEX
AA2436 738 SJO

Diversions to GRK

AA5798 CR9 CHA

Diversions to SHV

AA2540 MD83 OMA
AA5941 CR9 PIA

Diversions to XNA

AA3366 E75 GRR
AA1583 738 CMH

Diversions to ICT

AA2617 738 IAD
AA1214 319 SLC

Diversions to LIT

AA2844 319 CHS

Diversions to MSY

AA270 738 ORF
AA1663 319 VPS
AA1024 321 MCO
AA375 MD83 JAX

Diversions to MCI

AA1296 738 IND

Diversions to STL

AA762 319 PIT
AA2428 321 ORD

Diversions to ORD

AA2728 A321 EWR
AA1169 738 YYZ

Diversions to MEM

AA2234 763 JFK

Diversions to MAF

AA1324 738 SJD

Diversions to ATL
DL5237 CR9 JFK

AA 511 BUF-DFW 319 and AA792 PHL-DFW 321 both returned to their origin.

If any is incorrect, let me know.

Will update more later, it looks like the storms will continue for some more hours.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:40 pm

I wonder how DAL is holding up...
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:55 pm

usxguy wrote:
I wonder how DAL is holding up...

no arrivals in over 2 hours.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:06 pm

QF7 landing in PHX using PHX's livecam.

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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:06 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
usxguy wrote:
I wonder how DAL is holding up...

no arrivals in over 2 hours.

I live about 2 miles NE of DAL; can confirm this was a particularly nasty one as far as disrupting DFW/DAL ops goes. As of 1300CT, it’s just now letting up.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:11 pm

Ishrion wrote:
QF7 landing in PHX using PHX's livecam.

Image


I viewed this thread, and with just minutes to spare checked flight aware and saw QF7 was on approach. I immediately walked over to the window(my office looks west towards PHX, is right under 25R) and on the horizon I saw this beautiful sight. Not use to seeing such a large aircraft visible that far out in PHX!

It honestly looked like traffic was still for about 10 minutes until QF landed, I wonder where they will park and camp out at? I remember when the sky train bridge was designed, it was made at a height fitting for the A380, I’m sure they were being hopeful but looks like that design will be helpful for today.
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:19 pm

Interesting with QF going to Phoenix vs. maybe Houston. Probably because it's an AA hub?
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:28 pm

Well I guess I'll be going for a drive shortly. :-) PHX+A380=Drive-by.
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:34 pm

Did it park at a gate in PHX?
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:47 pm

They would have to park it on the remote stand there is hardly any gate space for the 747/777
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:48 pm

I'm more surprised QF7 didn't divert to LAX because both QF and AA have a strong presence at LAX.

Plus there are sufficient facilities to support an A380.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:50 pm

Bradin wrote:
I'm more surprised QF7 didn't divert to LAX because both QF and AA have a strong presence at LAX.

Plus there are sufficient facilities to support an A380.


Could have been fuel?
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:50 pm

balz18 wrote:
They would have to park it on the remote stand there is hardly any gate space for the 747/777


Do you think the southside? I was hoping for the north. :-)
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:59 pm

Ya it would/should have parked on the remote stand near T2. The Northside would be a dream come true though haha just not gonna happen.
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:04 pm

Currently northside west of the Executive Terminal
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:06 pm

According to Flightradar24, the schedule QF departure time from PHX in 1355hrs MST..I hope the passengers were allowed to clear immigration at PHX instead of sitting on the plane for a few hours.
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:09 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Bradin wrote:
I'm more surprised QF7 didn't divert to LAX because both QF and AA have a strong presence at LAX.

Plus there are sufficient facilities to support an A380.


Could have been fuel?


QF has diverted a couple A380s to PHX in the past, they might not have had enough fuel to go from the Lubbock area(around where they turned to PHX) to LAX.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:10 pm

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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:11 pm

DFW is a mess with the current weather system moving through the mid south. 129 min arrival delays and 219 arrival canceled already.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:15 pm

910A wrote:
According to Flightradar24, the schedule QF departure time from PHX in 1355hrs MST..I hope the passengers were allowed to clear immigration at PHX instead of sitting on the plane for a few hours.


I think they're just sitting on the ramp: https://twitter.com/PHXSkyHarbor/status ... 4003548160

They arrived in PHX at 12:59 so a 56 minute wait isn't too bad. Or I just screwed up the timezone conversion.

EDIT: Looks like it just left PHX.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:32 pm

cschleic wrote:
Interesting with QF going to Phoenix vs. maybe Houston. Probably because it's an AA hub?


That weather system may also impact Houston. They probably didn't want to end up low on fuel with limited diversion options.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:49 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Bradin wrote:
I'm more surprised QF7 didn't divert to LAX because both QF and AA have a strong presence at LAX.

Plus there are sufficient facilities to support an A380.


Could have been fuel?


Who knows. It's a Captain's decision and I'll let the Captain decide what's best.

I will say though that it looks like they diverted right before they hit the storms and it looks nasty.

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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Ishrion wrote:
910A wrote:
According to Flightradar24, the schedule QF departure time from PHX in 1355hrs MST..I hope the passengers were allowed to clear immigration at PHX instead of sitting on the plane for a few hours.


I think they're just sitting on the ramp: https://twitter.com/PHXSkyHarbor/status ... 4003548160

They arrived in PHX at 12:59 so a 56 minute wait isn't too bad. Or I just screwed up the timezone conversion.

EDIT: Looks like it just left PHX.


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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:02 pm

Bradin wrote:
Who knows. It's a Captain's decision and I'll let the Captain decide what's best.

I will say though that it looks like they diverted right before they hit the storms and it looks nasty.

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Source: FlightAware

Looks like he boomeranged over to PHX (sorry, couldn't help myself). That weather would have been difficult to deviate through, and they probably didn't feel comfortable burning the fuel trying to pick their way through. Looks like a good decision to me.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:03 pm

Bradin wrote:
I'm more surprised QF7 didn't divert to LAX because both QF and AA have a strong presence at LAX.

Plus there are sufficient facilities to support an A380.

If they expected a short time on the ground, PHX was the nearest suitable. As short a diversion as can be given the circumstances. Higher risk than LAX if there is any mechanical issue, of course...
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:10 pm

I just landed in PHX and saw QF7 take off. Ironically I was coming from DFW and somehow we made it out on time with no issues. Seems like it got bad after I left.
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:10 pm

Since there was no problem with QF's A380 arrival and departure at PHX, that means there is at least one runway A380 capable, and therefore taxiways capable of transporting it off a runway as well. Was the entire airport made A380 ready years ago? Or were a particular set built for extra strength already?

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Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:34 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Since there was no problem with QF's A380 arrival and departure at PHX, that means there is at least one runway A380 capable, and therefore taxiways capable of transporting it off a runway as well. Was the entire airport made A380 ready years ago? Or were a particular set built for extra strength already?

Spring thunderstorms in the American southeast...words that will drive a dispatcher to madness.


Or come winter time and we hear nor’easter for the northeast airports
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:36 pm

This is the same weather system that is heading east to ATL. Should be an interesting day Sunday there.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:49 pm

I was listening to the live feed while QF was landing in PHX. They landed on RWY 8 and taxied to the holding pad between C4 and C. Had that section of the airport closed while they refueled and departed back to Dallas. Even a PHX helicopter “TV3” was circling the airport trying to take pictures.
 
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:55 am

elisrosa80 wrote:
I was listening to the live feed while QF was landing in PHX. They landed on RWY 8 and taxied to the holding pad between C4 and C. Had that section of the airport closed while they refueled and departed back to Dallas. Even a PHX helicopter “TV3” was circling the airport trying to take pictures.


And that's the problem. When the A380 drops into PHX there are a bunch of restrictions on taxiway usage by other aircraft when it's on the ground.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:38 am

Bradin wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Bradin wrote:
I'm more surprised QF7 didn't divert to LAX because both QF and AA have a strong presence at LAX.

Plus there are sufficient facilities to support an A380.


Could have been fuel?


Who knows. It's a Captain's decision and I'll let the Captain decide what's best.

I will say though that it looks like they diverted right before they hit the storms and it looks nasty.

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AA and QF collaborate to try to get this flight priority handling with ATC because it is often a weight and fuel critical flight. There is a plan in place before this flight leaves SYD and the crew gets updates from their airline on changes to the situation. If the weather means AA is unable to secure priority handling with ATC, these pilots already know where both AA and QF want this flight to go.

People keep mentioning why not LAX. Besides the fuel, LAX does not want diversions unless it is unavoidable due to gate and ramp space congestion issues. The issues in PHX are not nearly as complicated. On top of that, QF would know well in advance whether LAX or PHX would be better for passenger connections and handing in case the weather or crew time caused the flight to get at the diversion point.

All of this is to say, the captain did not get to West Texas and all of a sudden start looking at his fuel and options before he went to PHX. He could have gone to ELP or IAH where QF have in the past gone to re-fuel during DFW weather events. In a well forecast weather scenario like this, this was not likely an event that surprised the crew or was unplanned. If LAX was the first choice for this flight to divert to when he got to West Texas, QF would have planned to carry the fuel for that or diverted earlier. The crew knows these things in advance. The fact that they continued all the way to West Texas shows that ATC, AA and QF felt there was a chance to get the flight in until he reached the point where ATC put him in a hold and told him and the two airlines the weather meant no priority today.

If the captain wanted nearest suitable, he would have gone to ELP.
 
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:13 am

I am somewhat surprised that the AA Eagle flight from Lawton actually bothered to depart. Why not just wait it out in LAW as opposed to waiting in OKC. I would think weather conditions would have been about the same and didn't they know the wx conditions prior to leaving LAW? Couldn't have gotten that bas so fast.....
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:08 am

Ishrion wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Bradin wrote:
I'm more surprised QF7 didn't divert to LAX because both QF and AA have a strong presence at LAX.

Plus there are sufficient facilities to support an A380.


Could have been fuel?

Lubbock area.

Lubbock can't handle A380s?
 
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:24 am

AntonioMartin wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:

Could have been fuel?

Lubbock area.

Lubbock can't handle A380s?


Meant to say they turned around at El Paso, not Lubbock.

I doubt Lubbock could handle it despite a 11,500 ft runway. The guy above explained why they didn't go to ELP/IAH.
 
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Re: DFW Diversions 4/13; Qantas A380 to PHX, AA 772 OKC

Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:44 am

Ishrion wrote:
We're currently getting hit by some strong storms in the DFW area, a lot of flights have diverted. The more interesting ones are bolded.

Flight Number - Aircraft - Origin

Diversions to OKC

NK214 320 LAS
AA2769 738 RNO
AA3264 CR7 LAW
AA6 772 OGG
DL9935 712 DTW
AA2491 738 DTW

Diversions to IAH

AA2670 MD83 MEM
AA132 321 BOS
DL3375 CR9 CVG
NK469 321 FLL
AA3398 E45 CUU
AA2575 752 MIA
AA1220 738 PBI
AA2558 321 FLL
AA3428 E35 TRC
AA2808 772 MIA
AM2682 E90 MEX
AA2436 738 SJO

Diversions to MEM

AA2234 763 JFK


I'm not so sure how a 772 diverting to IAH is that unusual all things considered. But, the 772 at OKC and MCI for something other than a college football/NFL charter (IIRC, UA has flown a 777 into OKC for some of their Big 12 clients) or anything bigger than a 757 passenger jet to MEM would certainly be unusual.
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