detroitbadboy
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When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:57 pm

And why are they not in JFK?
 
Cointrin330
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:02 pm

Long Island MacArthur 1998
New York/LGA 2009
Newark 2010
 
Cointrin330
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:02 pm

detroitbadboy wrote:
And why are they not in JFK?


Why bother?
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:05 pm

Correction, Newark began in 2011.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:27 pm

WN got entry to EWR when UA/CO merged and they were forced to give up slots. They took over legacy UAL gate in A-1 (which up until the mid-2000s UA took up the entire satellite.)
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:12 pm

I still remember watching the news 12 segments on SWA starting service to LGA... ISP hasn't been the same since
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:41 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Long Island MacArthur 1998
New York/LGA 2009
Newark 2010


Since when is islip nyc? Lol
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:55 pm

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Long Island MacArthur 1998
New York/LGA 2009
Newark 2010


Since when is islip nyc? Lol


ISP is actually located in the NYC metropolitan area, and ISP is closer to Midtown Manhattan than SWF is.

In addition to LGA, JFK, EWR, and ISP, the NYC metropolitan area is also served by HPN and SWF.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:26 am

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Long Island MacArthur 1998
New York/LGA 2009
Newark 2010


Since when is islip nyc? Lol



Since we started new threads to ask questions that can be answered by searching the internet.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:27 am

detroitbadboy wrote:
And why are they not in JFK?

I could’ve sworn that I saw a WN 737 parked near T4 when my HA flight was taking off from 22R on October 19th. Is there another airline with a similar looking livery to WN (all blue) operating out of JFK?
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:30 am

dampfnudel wrote:
detroitbadboy wrote:
And why are they not in JFK?

I could’ve sworn that I saw a WN 737 parked near T4 when my HA flight was taking off from 22R on October 19th. Is there another airline with a similar looking livery to WN (all blue) operating out of JFK?


Sun Country perhaps?
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:34 am

CanesFan wrote:
dampfnudel wrote:
detroitbadboy wrote:
And why are they not in JFK?

I could’ve sworn that I saw a WN 737 parked near T4 when my HA flight was taking off from 22R on October 19th. Is there another airline with a similar looking livery to WN (all blue) operating out of JFK?


Sun Country perhaps?

:checkmark: I think you’re right. Thanks.
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:03 am

When the son of man comes again
 
Cointrin330
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:24 am

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Long Island MacArthur 1998
New York/LGA 2009
Newark 2010


Since when is islip nyc? Lol


ISP is one of the airports serving greater NYC, and that also includes SWF and HPN. LOL
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:34 am

spinkid wrote:
QueenoftheSkies wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Long Island MacArthur 1998
New York/LGA 2009
Newark 2010


Since when is islip nyc? Lol



Since we started new threads to ask questions that can be answered by searching the internet.


If Google searches didn't answer the OP's questions, Southwest Media's City Fact Sheets surely would.

https://www.swamedia.com/pages/city-fact-sheets

This cascade of questions from people who can't research at the level of a decently bright first year high school student really needs to stop. Show some pride. Do your own work. Learn to answer your own questions.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:49 am

N649DL wrote:
WN got entry to EWR when UA/CO merged and they were forced to give up slots. They took over legacy UAL gate in A-1 (which up until the mid-2000s UA took up the entire satellite.)

Was EWR slot controlled then?
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:04 pm

I agree that this thread may be a waste, but Southwest doesn't interline. JFK primarily serves international connections. the only reason to go to JFK would be for interline feed. Southwest's operating model doesn't want that.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:45 pm

superjeff wrote:
I agree that this thread may be a waste, but Southwest doesn't interline. JFK primarily serves international connections. the only reason to go to JFK would be for interline feed. Southwest's operating model doesn't want that.


JFK’s niches are connections and premium transcons. That’s another sandbox in which WN doesn’t play.
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:12 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
N649DL wrote:
WN got entry to EWR when UA/CO merged and they were forced to give up slots. They took over legacy UAL gate in A-1 (which up until the mid-2000s UA took up the entire satellite.)

Was EWR slot controlled then?


Yes, EWR was slot-controlled until April 2016.

BTW, one of the reason that WN bought FL, other than going into ATL, was getting those LGA (and DCA) slots. Granted, WN serves LGA prior to FL merger (those initial slots come from another merger IIRC...don't remember which one of the US3, though), but adding those FL slots helps WN expand a fair bit at LGA (at the expense of ISP, of course).

As for the OP's question - why should WN bother when B6 has a fortress at JFK? Unlike going head-to-head against F9 at DEN, WN would actually need to acquire JFK slot from somewhere, and they need lots of them to have a viable operation.

Not to mention, WN is just not really into transcon business anyway. Their model remains flying a bunch of sub-3 hrs flights. Out of EWR there is only 2 weekday-only transcon, 1 to OAK and 1 to SAN. The only airport in Northeast that has any "transcon" otherwise is BWI (and WN operates a fair amount of "transcon" out of BWI).
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:43 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
N649DL wrote:
WN got entry to EWR when UA/CO merged and they were forced to give up slots. They took over legacy UAL gate in A-1 (which up until the mid-2000s UA took up the entire satellite.)

Was EWR slot controlled then?


Yes, EWR was slot-controlled until April 2016.

BTW, one of the reason that WN bought FL, other than going into ATL, was getting those LGA (and DCA) slots. Granted, WN serves LGA prior to FL merger (those initial slots come from another merger IIRC...don't remember which one of the US3, though), but adding those FL slots helps WN expand a fair bit at LGA (at the expense of ISP, of course).

WN got LGA slots and entered LGA when they purchased the dead ATA’s assets in late 2008 (with service commencing several months later in 2009).
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:56 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
N649DL wrote:
WN got entry to EWR when UA/CO merged and they were forced to give up slots. They took over legacy UAL gate in A-1 (which up until the mid-2000s UA took up the entire satellite.)

Was EWR slot controlled then?


Yes, EWR was slot-controlled until April 2016.

BTW, one of the reason that WN bought FL, other than going into ATL, was getting those LGA (and DCA) slots. Granted, WN serves LGA prior to FL merger (those initial slots come from another merger IIRC...don't remember which one of the US3, though), but adding those FL slots helps WN expand a fair bit at LGA (at the expense of ISP, of course).

As for the OP's question - why should WN bother when B6 has a fortress at JFK? Unlike going head-to-head against F9 at DEN, WN would actually need to acquire JFK slot from somewhere, and they need lots of them to have a viable operation.

Not to mention, WN is just not really into transcon business anyway. Their model remains flying a bunch of sub-3 hrs flights. Out of EWR there is only 2 weekday-only transcon, 1 to OAK and 1 to SAN. The only airport in Northeast that has any "transcon" otherwise is BWI (and WN operates a fair amount of "transcon" out of BWI).


ORF manages to have one as well.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:30 pm

dampfnudel wrote:
detroitbadboy wrote:
And why are they not in JFK?

I could’ve sworn that I saw a WN 737 parked near T4 when my HA flight was taking off from 22R on October 19th. Is there another airline with a similar looking livery to WN (all blue) operating out of JFK?


Probably was Sun Country, although as of a few days ago they've moved over to EWR.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:13 pm

Polot wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:

WN got LGA slots and entered LGA when they purchased the dead ATA’s assets in late 2008 (with service commencing several months later in 2009).


Their LGA service began the end of June '09. Right when their final printed timetable came out, so LGA was the last new city added to the map on the back. As a timetable collector I remember this. WN was the last US carrier to issue printed timetables.
 
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Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:16 pm

I have a copy of that timetable and glad I saved it. picked it up at BUR waiting for flight little did I know it would become a collector's item.

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