kmaner
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Was the 737 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:17 pm

I love Boeing and I've loved flying on their products all over the world since I was born (well ok, 6 months to one year old). I'm in my late 50s now.

However, I'm wondering if perhaps the 737 Max is not a bridge too far...

Should they have bitten the bullet and designed a new narrow body replacement?

Have they tried to go too far with a design that was originally designed and engineered in the mid 60s - over 50 years ago???

I know that the 737s were selling like hot cakes and that they were focused on other programs like the upgraded 777, the 757/767 replacement, etc. but perhaps they have pushed this design too far?

Thoughts?
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morrisond
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:30 pm

You need to change your title - it's 737 MAX not 787 MAX.

The short answer IMO is that if MCAS had been done right - the 737 is still a good design, relevant and safe. There is not much left from 50 years ago.
 
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:31 pm

787 Max? Yeah, I'd say so. A thread too far.
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junlinwong94
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:32 pm

Boeing had no choice, they had to respond quickly to the growing A320neo orders else they risked losing major 737 customers to it
 
wezgulf3
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:32 pm

Setting the title to 787MAX isn’t going to change the fact we have another 737MAX thread!!
 
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:36 pm

I know mods are active at this moment,

so they'll surely correct or close this thread, because of topic covered elsewhere.
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Vladex
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:38 pm

Yes, it was too far, it's an ancient design in its 4th iteration. Boeing and its executives and investors used and abused its position in duopoly or monopoly for short term gain , being unable to end something and to handle any lean times will lead anyone to inflated thinking and big delusions Now they will be forced to play by other peoples will and rules.
 
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:39 pm

I think its obvious that Boeing made some huge mistakes here.

The 737 as a whole is a proven safe design. Has been battle tested. They should have been able to make this work safely.

Right idea probably rushed and cut corners because they knew how huge a sales success it would be. Alot of people probably got pressure on them to get it done ASAP. That is where Boeing messed up, pressuring people to rush things too much because they knew this would be a sales success. Game-changing design just rushed a little too much clearly.
 
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:44 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Game-changing design just rushed a little too much clearly.


Which resulted in over 350 innocent lives taken by Boeing's negligence.
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Arion640
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:46 pm

Of course they didn’t. You wouldn’t be creating this thread if it wasn’t for the 2 accidents. An airline either buys the MAX or an A320neo.

If there was 5 major aircraft manufacturers and not 2, both Airbus and Boeing would have been forced to can the A320/737 years ago.

There just isn’t an incentive to make a new clean sheet design if you can squeeze more from your current one and your only competition is doing the same.

If corners were cut (which they clearly were) during the re-design is a completely different matter.
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:56 pm

:sigh: NAFMT!
 
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:00 pm

morrisond wrote:
There is not much left from 50 years ago.


You'd be surprised, some parts still in use in the 737MAX were originally designed for the 707. Of course those are mechanical parts, everything electrical / software related has been overhauled several times. Those parts have been proven safe and are for sure not the reason the 737MAX was or was not a bridge too far.
 
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Re: Was the 787 Max a bridge too far?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:31 pm

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