aarbee
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:41 pm

DLPMMM wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
DLPMMM wrote:
Jet is dead


Go celebrate.

You could ignore to read posts by the usual suspects you don't like or even add to foe list so posts from those users won't be visible.

This is a forum on the internet, not a grand jury testimony to state only facts under oath. Why troll others with dissenting opinions.


You can have your own opinions, but you cannot have your own facts.

People here are making up far fetched fantasy scenarios that are completely unsupported or even directly in conflict with fact.

People with no practical working knowledge of business, finance, law, or banking are making proclamations of theoretical solutions that are ludicrous.

People decry “crony capitalism” yet want state owned institutions to practice exactly that in reconstituting Jet by giving special deals to hand picked privileged bidders in closed door negotiations.

Such posts are not conducive to rational discussions.



On top of "crony capitalism" you forgot how there is NO rule of law and because of that seems like NK
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:43 pm

edealinfo wrote:
DLPMMM wrote:
You can have your own opinions, but you cannot have your own facts.
People here are making up far fetched fantasy scenarios that are completely unsupported or even directly in conflict with fact.
People with no practical working knowledge of business, finance, law, or banking are making proclamations of theoretical solutions that are ludicrous.
People decry “crony capitalism” yet want state owned institutions to practice exactly that in reconstituting Jet by giving special deals to hand picked privileged bidders in closed door negotiations.
Such posts are not conducive to rational discussions.


Do you even realize that everything in your post above is innuendo....and even that would would be generous. If I were to be frank, I would call that blah, blah, blah.

If you do not understand what DLPMMM has written , it is blah blah now?

Just curious what part of it you found blah blah? Seemed ok to me.

-R
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:46 pm

avier wrote:
Interesting how celebs/sportsmen/public figures are still regularly posting on social media of how they miss Jet.
https://twitter.com/republic/status/1135082681165701120?s=20

Also , a nice collage of Jet and its beneficiaries below it. Like a buffet their competitors feast on them.
Image

Yes. "celebs" lose their first class. Of course that's more important.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:49 pm

edealinfo wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I'm under the impression it typically takes about 2 years to place aircraft at market value. (Operators pay a premium for faster delivery, leasing companies must discount to place faster). Huh.. I actually expected more to have found a home. Interesting surplus of aircraft.

Lightsaber


1. Wouldn't the urgent replacements for MAX offset the short term discount?

2. Shouldn't Vistara move more strongly to acquire more 737s? There are available aircraft, they have already decided to operate 737, they have enough funds or can have easy access to funds, and ex-Jet employees are a dime a dozen at this point in time. They had anyway planned on acquiring Jet in Oct/Nov 2018 (which means all the planning was already completed) so why not take steps to acquire the equivalent of 20% of Jet's fleet (that would be about 20 aircraft rather than just the 10 that they have taken on). Having more domestic capacity will also help feed capacity towards their international plans, Besides some of the 737s or A320s could even be used for some east asian and gulf routes.

You think 2. is like going to Walmart/Macys? How do U know planning was completed? Inside sources?
Do you even understand the effort to introduced new fleet type? Adding new destinations, especially international ?

-R
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:54 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
aarbee wrote:
...
I don't know what to say about your idea that the government whole and sole goal was to destroy Jet and now it it is upon it to resurrect it from dead.

-R


One would think, for a 3T Disney dollar economy, USD3.3B annual revenue company is worth saving. Who are we kidding?

BTW, No one is asking it to be revived.

Where does Disney come into picture here ?

If revenue is loss generating, lst funds, still keep on saving Jet airways ? Why ONLY Jet Airways. More companies in India too.

-R
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:04 pm

aarbee wrote:

So you think the GOI investigation which was started a while back is something new?

-R

I don’t know whether to characterize it as new or old because either way it is laughable. For instance, the Government is looking at Jet’s sources of funding 25 years ago....and he gets detained because they don’t know whether he may or may not have done or not done something. So, basically he is being docked, because they haven’t been able to rule anything out. We call that fishing or going on a wild goose chase.
Given the media and accusations of impropriety in detaining him, don’t you think the Government would have come out with the charges even if there was a whiff of something inappropriate. But, why does the Government need to do that when it has an army of supporters, such as yourself, to make its case (by shouting down anyone that raises questions )
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:15 am

Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Hopefully captured all of the fleet with this list, feel free to add to it.
Broken down into fleet type and ordered by MSN

737-700 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGX - 34805 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGY - 34806 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SIZ - 33025 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYO
VT-SJA - 33026 - Stored as OE-IBU

737-800 (36/72)
of 36 re-registered aircraft, 25 currently placed

VT-JGF - 29639 - To Jet2 as G-DRTI
VT-JGG - 29668 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZD - Currently D-ALEA
VT-JTC - 29685 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYM
VT-JGA - 30410 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYK
VT-JTD - 30734 - Stored as OE-IDC - Ferried Jakarta
VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored
VT-JGK - 32579 - For Cargo Converstion - Ferried Jinan
VT-JGE - 32663 - For Cargo Converstation - Ferried Shanghai - To Primeair
VT-JLE - 33555 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYI
VT-JLF - 33556 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SJI - 34399 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SJJ - 34400 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGQ - 34797 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYF
VT-JGP - 34798 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYG
VT-JGR - 34799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYA
VT-JGS - 34800 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYJ
VT-JGT - 34801 - Stored as M-ABLZ
VT-JGU - 34802 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JGV - 34803 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGW - 34804 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBF - 35082 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYC
VT-JBG - 35083 - Stored
VT-JBD - 35099 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYD
VT-JBE - 35106 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYE
VT-JBG - 35289 - Stored as OE-IBS - Ferried Addis Ababa (assuming EIS with Ethiopian?)
VT-JBL - 35651 - Stored (Owned A/C)
VT-JBK - 36551 - Stored as N551AG
VT-JBK - 36553 - Stored as N553CG
VT-JBQ - 36694 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBR - 36695 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBS - 36698 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTF - 36813 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JTG - 36815 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JBM - 36817 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBV
VT-JBN - 36818 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBW
VT-JBP - 36819 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBY
T-JBU - 36825 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBV - 36827 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBB - 36846 - Stored as N846AG
VT-JBC - 36847 - Stored as N847AG
VT-JTE - 37743 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZE - Currently D-AAAN
VT-JTL - 37745 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZF
VT-JTM - 37746 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZG - Currently D-AAAP
VT-JBW - 37960 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - To Vistara?
VT-JBX - 37961 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFA - 38029 - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFC - 38030 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFD - 39051 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFE - 39053 - To Vistara as VT-TGA
VT-JFF - 39055 - De-Reg Compete - Stored
VT-JFG - 39057 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - To Vistara?
VT-JFH - 39058 - To Vistara as VT-TGB
VT-JFJ - 39059 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFK - 39060 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFL - 39061 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYR
VT-JFN - 39062 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFQ - 39063 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFR - 39064 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFS - 39065 - Stored as M-ABLY - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFT - 39066 - Stored as M-ALBX - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFM - 39067 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFP - 39068 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFZ - 39069 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTB - 39070 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFB - 39401 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTH - 40233 - De-Reg Compelte - Stored
VT-JTK - 40235 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTN - 40236 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFW - 42799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYH
VT-JFX - 42800 - Stored as 2-JFXX - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFY - 42804 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYN
VT-JTA - 42805 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-900 (1/6)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGC - 30412 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYL
VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored
VT-JLH - 35223 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JLJ - 35225 - Stored
VT-JBY - 35227 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBZ - 36539 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-Max 8 (1/8)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JXD - 43558 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXF - 43615 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXA - 44681 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXC - 44862 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXE - 44863 - Stored as D-ALAD
VT-JXG - 44864 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXH - 43616 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXB - 60703 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

777-300 (1/10)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JEH - 35166 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JEK - 35165 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JEM - 35162 - Stored
VT-JEQ - 35161 - Stored as OE-IIJ
VT-JES - 35159 - Stored
VT-JET - 35157 - Stored
VT-JEU - 35160 - Stored
VT-JEV - 35158 - Stored
VT-JEW - 35164 - Stored
VT-JEX- 35163 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

330-200 (0/4)
of 0 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JWW - 888 - Stored
VT-JWV - 923 - Stored
VT-JWP - 947 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JWQ - 956 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

330-300 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JRW - 1351 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JWS - 1361 - Stored as M-ABLV - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWT - 1370 - Stored as M-ABLW - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWU - 1381 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

ATR 72 Fleet (18/18)
of 18 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JDD - 758 - Stored as M-IBAD
VT-JCJ - 771 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JDC - 772 - Stored as M-IBAC
VT-JCK - 775 - Stored as M-ABMH
VT-JCL - 791 - Stored as M-ABMC
VT-JCM - 793 - Stored as M-ABMD
VT-JCN - 825 - Stored as M-ABME
VT-JCP - 841 - Stored as M-ABMF
VT-JCQ - 843 - Stored as M-ABMG
VT-JCR - 919 - Stored as M-IBAM
VT-JCS - 920 - Stored as M-IBAN
VT-JCT - 924 - Stored as M-IBAO
VT-JCU - 928 - Stored as M-IBAP
VT-JCV - 932 - Stored as M-IBAQ
VT-JCW - 933 - Stored as M-IBAR
VT-JCX - 1056 - Stored (To Be Placed On Irish Register)
VT-JCY - 1064 - Stored as EI-GIW - Ferried Sonderborg
VT-JCZ - 1075 - Stored as EI-GIX - Ferried Sonderborg

As mentioned above, hopefully I have captured everything - feel free to let me know if there is anything missing or add to the list yourself.

Thanks,

UKFLYER26
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:53 pm

UKFLYER26 wrote:
Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Hopefully captured all of the fleet with this list, feel free to add to it.
Broken down into fleet type and ordered by MSN

737-700 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGX - 34805 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGY - 34806 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SIZ - 33025 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYO
VT-SJA - 33026 - Stored as OE-IBU

737-800 (36/72)
of 36 re-registered aircraft, 25 currently placed

VT-JGF - 29639 - To Jet2 as G-DRTI
VT-JGG - 29668 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZD - Currently D-ALEA
VT-JTC - 29685 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYM
VT-JGA - 30410 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYK
VT-JTD - 30734 - Stored as OE-IDC - Ferried Jakarta
VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored
VT-JGK - 32579 - For Cargo Converstion - Ferried Jinan
VT-JGE - 32663 - For Cargo Converstation - Ferried Shanghai - To Primeair
VT-JLE - 33555 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYI
VT-JLF - 33556 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SJI - 34399 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SJJ - 34400 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGQ - 34797 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYF
VT-JGP - 34798 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYG
VT-JGR - 34799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYA
VT-JGS - 34800 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYJ
VT-JGT - 34801 - Stored as M-ABLZ
VT-JGU - 34802 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JGV - 34803 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGW - 34804 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBF - 35082 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYC
VT-JBG - 35083 - Stored
VT-JBD - 35099 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYD
VT-JBE - 35106 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYE
VT-JBG - 35289 - Stored as OE-IBS - Ferried Addis Ababa (assuming EIS with Ethiopian?)
VT-JBL - 35651 - Stored (Owned A/C)
VT-JBK - 36551 - Stored as N551AG
VT-JBK - 36553 - Stored as N553CG
VT-JBQ - 36694 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBR - 36695 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBS - 36698 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTF - 36813 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JTG - 36815 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JBM - 36817 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBV
VT-JBN - 36818 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBW
VT-JBP - 36819 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBY
T-JBU - 36825 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBV - 36827 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBB - 36846 - Stored as N846AG
VT-JBC - 36847 - Stored as N847AG
VT-JTE - 37743 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZE - Currently D-AAAN
VT-JTL - 37745 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZF
VT-JTM - 37746 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZG - Currently D-AAAP
VT-JBW - 37960 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - To Vistara?
VT-JBX - 37961 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFA - 38029 - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFC - 38030 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFD - 39051 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFE - 39053 - To Vistara as VT-TGA
VT-JFF - 39055 - De-Reg Compete - Stored
VT-JFG - 39057 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - To Vistara?
VT-JFH - 39058 - To Vistara as VT-TGB
VT-JFJ - 39059 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFK - 39060 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFL - 39061 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYR
VT-JFN - 39062 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFQ - 39063 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFR - 39064 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFS - 39065 - Stored as M-ABLY - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFT - 39066 - Stored as M-ALBX - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFM - 39067 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFP - 39068 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFZ - 39069 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTB - 39070 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFB - 39401 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTH - 40233 - De-Reg Compelte - Stored
VT-JTK - 40235 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTN - 40236 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFW - 42799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYH
VT-JFX - 42800 - Stored as 2-JFXX - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFY - 42804 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYN
VT-JTA - 42805 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-900 (1/6)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGC - 30412 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYL
VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored
VT-JLH - 35223 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JLJ - 35225 - Stored
VT-JBY - 35227 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBZ - 36539 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-Max 8 (1/8)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JXD - 43558 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXF - 43615 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXA - 44681 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXC - 44862 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXE - 44863 - Stored as D-ALAD
VT-JXG - 44864 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXH - 43616 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXB - 60703 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

777-300 (1/10)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JEH - 35166 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JEK - 35165 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JEM - 35162 - Stored
VT-JEQ - 35161 - Stored as OE-IIJ
VT-JES - 35159 - Stored
VT-JET - 35157 - Stored
VT-JEU - 35160 - Stored
VT-JEV - 35158 - Stored
VT-JEW - 35164 - Stored
VT-JEX- 35163 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

330-200 (0/4)
of 0 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JWW - 888 - Stored
VT-JWV - 923 - Stored
VT-JWP - 947 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JWQ - 956 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

330-300 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JRW - 1351 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JWS - 1361 - Stored as M-ABLV - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWT - 1370 - Stored as M-ABLW - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWU - 1381 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

ATR 72 Fleet (18/18)
of 18 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JDD - 758 - Stored as M-IBAD
VT-JCJ - 771 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JDC - 772 - Stored as M-IBAC
VT-JCK - 775 - Stored as M-ABMH
VT-JCL - 791 - Stored as M-ABMC
VT-JCM - 793 - Stored as M-ABMD
VT-JCN - 825 - Stored as M-ABME
VT-JCP - 841 - Stored as M-ABMF
VT-JCQ - 843 - Stored as M-ABMG
VT-JCR - 919 - Stored as M-IBAM
VT-JCS - 920 - Stored as M-IBAN
VT-JCT - 924 - Stored as M-IBAO
VT-JCU - 928 - Stored as M-IBAP
VT-JCV - 932 - Stored as M-IBAQ
VT-JCW - 933 - Stored as M-IBAR
VT-JCX - 1056 - Stored (To Be Placed On Irish Register)
VT-JCY - 1064 - Stored as EI-GIW - Ferried Sonderborg
VT-JCZ - 1075 - Stored as EI-GIX - Ferried Sonderborg

As mentioned above, hopefully I have captured everything - feel free to let me know if there is anything missing or add to the list yourself.

Thanks,

UKFLYER26

Spectacular compilation and great job! Thanks for taking the time and for the effort.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:57 pm

UKFLYER26,

Vistara received 4 737-800NG from BOC Aviation. I believe (but am not 100 percent certain) all the 4 were ex-Jet. on your chart, you have only identified 2 of the 4. If someone gets the registration numbers of all the 4, you could also identify the other 2 from your list.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:15 pm

edealinfo wrote:
UKFLYER26,

Vistara received 4 737-800NG from BOC Aviation. I believe (but am not 100 percent certain) all the 4 were ex-Jet. on your chart, you have only identified 2 of the 4. If someone gets the registration numbers of all the 4, you could also identify the other 2 from your list.


Thanks edealinfo, I have the two that have moved over with new registrations and I believe VT-JFG - 39057 and VT-JBW - 37960 are the other two, I have marked these on the above list, however as they have not as far as I know been assigned a new registrations yet?
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:27 pm

UKFLYER’s table shows that there is plenty of 737 availability and Vistara could have hypothetically “done a SpiceJet”. But, they chose not to. Why? This is a once in a decade and possibly generation opportunity to grab BOM slots.
They still have the time if they want to. maybe they should be eyeing the 737Max so once the ban is lifted it could move into their laps. Now that Vistara has accepted 737 in their fleet they might as well make a major move while ex-Jet staff are also readily available.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:31 pm

UKFLYER26 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
UKFLYER26,

Vistara received 4 737-800NG from BOC Aviation. I believe (but am not 100 percent certain) all the 4 were ex-Jet. on your chart, you have only identified 2 of the 4. If someone gets the registration numbers of all the 4, you could also identify the other 2 from your list.


Thanks edealinfo, I have the two that have moved over with new registrations and I believe VT-JFG - 39057 and VT-JBW - 37960 are the other two, I have marked these on the above list, however as they have not as far as I know been assigned a new registrations yet?

Also keep an eye out for an additional 6 737 NG aircraft joining Vistara’s fleet later this month. In all they will be taking on 10 737s (4 plus 6)
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:26 pm

Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Hopefully captured all of the fleet with this list, feel free to add to it.

Update 1

Broken down into fleet type and ordered by MSN

737-700 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGX - 34805 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGY - 34806 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SIZ - 33025 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYO
VT-SJA - 33026 - Stored as OE-IBU

737-800 (38/72)
of 38 re-registered aircraft, 25 currently placed

VT-JGF - 29639 - To Jet2 as G-DRTI
VT-JGG - 29668 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZD - Currently D-ALEA
VT-JTC - 29685 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYM
VT-JGA - 30410 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYK
VT-JTD - 30734 - Stored as OE-IDC - Ferried Jakarta
VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored
VT-JGK - 32579 - For Cargo Converstion - Ferried Jinan
VT-JGE - 32663 - For Cargo Converstation - Ferried Shanghai - To Primeair
VT-JLE - 33555 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYI
VT-JLF - 33556 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SJI - 34399 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-SJJ - 34400 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGQ - 34797 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYF
VT-JGP - 34798 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYG
VT-JGR - 34799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYA
VT-JGS - 34800 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYJ
VT-JGT - 34801 - Stored as M-ABLZ
VT-JGU - 34802 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JGV - 34803 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JGW - 34804 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBF - 35082 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYC
VT-JBG - 35083 - Stored
VT-JBD - 35099 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYD
VT-JBE - 35106 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYE
VT-JBG - 35289 - Stored as OE-IBS - Ferried Addis Ababa (assuming EIS with Ethiopian?)
VT-JBL - 35651 - Stored (Owned A/C)
VT-JBK - 36551 - Stored as N551AG
VT-JBK - 36553 - Stored as N553CG
VT-JBQ - 36694 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBR - 36695 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBS - 36698 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTF - 36813 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JTG - 36815 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JBM - 36817 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBV
VT-JBN - 36818 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBW
VT-JBP - 36819 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBY
T-JBU - 36825 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBV - 36827 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBB - 36846 - Stored as N846AG
VT-JBC - 36847 - Stored as N847AG
VT-JTE - 37743 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZE - Currently D-AAAN
VT-JTL - 37745 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZF
VT-JTM - 37746 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZG - Currently D-AAAP
VT-JBW - 37960 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - To Vistara?
VT-JBX - 37961 - Stored as 2-WJBX - Ferried Erfurt
VT-JFA - 38029 - Stored - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFC - 38030 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFD - 39051 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFE - 39053 - To Vistara as VT-TGA
VT-JFF - 39055 - De-Reg Compete - Stored
VT-JFG - 39057 - De-Reg Complete - Stored - To Vistara?
VT-JFH - 39058 - To Vistara as VT-TGB
VT-JFJ - 39059 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFK - 39060 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFL - 39061 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYR
VT-JFN - 39062 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFQ - 39063 - Stored as 2-TJFQ - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFR - 39064 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFS - 39065 - Stored as M-ABLY - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFT - 39066 - Stored as M-ALBX - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFM - 39067 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFP - 39068 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFZ - 39069 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTB - 39070 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFB - 39401 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTH - 40233 - De-Reg Compelte - Stored
VT-JTK - 40235 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTN - 40236 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFW - 42799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYH
VT-JFX - 42800 - Stored as 2-JFXX - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFY - 42804 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYN
VT-JTA - 42805 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-900 (1/6)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGC - 30412 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYL
VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored
VT-JLH - 35223 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JLJ - 35225 - Stored
VT-JBY - 35227 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBZ - 36539 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-Max 8 (1/8)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JXD - 43558 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXF - 43615 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXA - 44681 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXC - 44862 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXE - 44863 - Stored as D-ALAD
VT-JXG - 44864 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXH - 43616 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXB - 60703 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

777-300 (1/10)
of 1 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JEH - 35166 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JEK - 35165 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JEM - 35162 - Stored
VT-JEQ - 35161 - Stored as OE-IIJ
VT-JES - 35159 - Stored
VT-JET - 35157 - Stored
VT-JEU - 35160 - Stored
VT-JEV - 35158 - Stored
VT-JEW - 35164 - Stored
VT-JEX- 35163 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

330-200 (0/4)
of 0 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JWW - 888 - Stored
VT-JWV - 923 - Stored
VT-JWP - 947 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JWQ - 956 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

330-300 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JRW - 1351 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JWS - 1361 - Stored as M-ABLV - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWT - 1370 - Stored as M-ABLW - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWU - 1381 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

ATR 72 Fleet (18/18)
of 18 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JDD - 758 - Stored as M-IBAD
VT-JCJ - 771 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JDC - 772 - Stored as M-IBAC
VT-JCK - 775 - Stored as M-ABMH
VT-JCL - 791 - Stored as M-ABMC
VT-JCM - 793 - Stored as M-ABMD
VT-JCN - 825 - Stored as M-ABME
VT-JCP - 841 - Stored as M-ABMF
VT-JCQ - 843 - Stored as M-ABMG
VT-JCR - 919 - Stored as M-IBAM
VT-JCS - 920 - Stored as M-IBAN
VT-JCT - 924 - Stored as M-IBAO
VT-JCU - 928 - Stored as M-IBAP
VT-JCV - 932 - Stored as M-IBAQ
VT-JCW - 933 - Stored as M-IBAR
VT-JCX - 1056 - Stored (To Be Placed On Irish Register)
VT-JCY - 1064 - Stored as EI-GIW - Ferried Sonderborg
VT-JCZ - 1075 - Stored as EI-GIX - Ferried Sonderborg

As mentioned above, hopefully I have captured everything - feel free to let me know if there is anything missing or add to the list yourself.

Thanks,

UKFLYER26[/quote]
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:13 pm

UKFLYER26 wrote:
...
Hopefully captured all of the fleet with this list, feel free to add to it.

Update 1

Good work UKFLYER26. Needs a lot of effort.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:16 pm

This one to FlyBondi Argentina, no specified msn:
Boeing 737-800 NG
Registration: LV-HKN
Capacity: 189 passengers and only class
Technology and passenger services: OnBoard streaming
It was manufactured in January 2008
It was operated by Jet Airways, India, until March this year. And previously used by Air Vanuatu, Vanuatu, since its manufacture
It is currently in the process of readjustment and tune-up at GMF (Garuda Maintenance Facilities) in Jakarta, Indonesia.

https://desdeelpatio.com.ar/2019/06/03/ ... s-aviones/
 
UKFLYER26
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:23 pm

danipawa wrote:
This one to FlyBondi Argentina, no specified msn:
Boeing 737-800 NG
Registration: LV-HKN
Capacity: 189 passengers and only class
Technology and passenger services: OnBoard streaming
It was manufactured in January 2008
It was operated by Jet Airways, India, until March this year. And previously used by Air Vanuatu, Vanuatu, since its manufacture
It is currently in the process of readjustment and tune-up at GMF (Garuda Maintenance Facilities) in Jakarta, Indonesia.

https://desdeelpatio.com.ar/2019/06/03/ ... s-aviones/


Assuming it’s Ex- VT-JTD - 30734 - Stored as OE-IDC - Ferried Jakarta
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:41 pm

Delete
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edealinfo
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:44 pm

The Hindujas wants the Government to ignore its own “writing on the wall” to investors on a potential investment in Jet. Are these guys that dumb, or do they think their status as the richest family in UK will get the Government to behave?

Also note that the Hindujas are permission seekers....permission from Naresh Goyal and now permission from Moody. Did they forget that the most important person from whom they need permission is Ajay Singh of SpiceJet ? And , he would obviously tell them to take a hike.


https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 365_1.html
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:31 am

edealinfo wrote:
The Hindujas wants the Government to ignore its own “writing on the wall” to investors on a potential investment in Jet. Are these guys that dumb, or do they think their status as the richest family in UK will get the Government to behave?

Also note that the Hindujas are permission seekers....permission from Naresh Goyal and now permission from Moody. Did they forget that the most important person from whom they need permission is Ajay Singh of SpiceJet ? And , he would obviously tell them to take a hike.


https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 365_1.html


I actually think it is very smart. First off, as expected, the court cases against NG are affecting the Hinduja’s investment analysis. To me they should be separate. Meaning NG’s liabilities from potential crimes should be carved off of a sale of Jet by GOI banks. But the truth of Indian business/politics comes out. We can debate if the GOI leaked there might be cases against NG purposely to scare investors or not. But now it is a fact that it does affect investment interest (as shown by HIndja’s feedback). The move now dumps the blame on the GOI. If the GOI says we can’t give indemnification (meaning we wont hold you, the Hindujas, responsible for NG’s potential crimes), then it is the GOI to blame for no sale of Jet. Really brilliant. Now what will the GOI do? Clearly Jet 2.0 should have nothing to do with the old people. So the GOI should be able to comply. Plus it looks like the Hindujas will take the bait and move forward. So clearly they see value in Jet. They just don’t want to inherit liabilities they don’t know of (meaning NG crimes). This is totally normal in M&A. So let’s see.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:58 am

CaliguyNYC wrote:
...To me they should be separate. Meaning NG’s liabilities from potential crimes should be carved off of a sale of Jet by GOI banks. But the truth of Indian business/politics comes out....


You are underestimating PSBank Babus' ability to spread the blame so thin that it won't register on anyone. As I said in the past, over the last nine months SBI probably hired Audit-4 to do justify whatever they did/didn't do. There will be thousands of pages of case studies and analysis of all possible scenarios.

I am guessing there will be a CAG audit in 2025-26 on Jet fiasco, but they will not able to pin anyone. Very common with all scams in India.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:39 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
...To me they should be separate. Meaning NG’s liabilities from potential crimes should be carved off of a sale of Jet by GOI banks. But the truth of Indian business/politics comes out....


You are underestimating PSBank Babus' ability to spread the blame so thin that it won't register on anyone. As I said in the past, over the last nine months SBI probably hired Audit-4 to do justify whatever they did/didn't do. There will be thousands of pages of case studies and analysis of all possible scenarios.

I am guessing there will be a CAG audit in 2025-26 on Jet fiasco, but they will not able to pin anyone. Very common with all scams in India.


Totally hear you. I don’t really care about figuring out the blame for Jet’s demise. Blame the banks, NG, no one. I don’t care. I just think the banks and GOI should come up with the right terms for a Jet sale (note: not bailout). I think the HIndujas saying that the GOI needs to indemnify them that the GOI won’t come after Jet 2.0 is totally fair. I would like to know from posters why the GOI shouldn’t do agree to this. If the GOI agrees, then new money is invested in Jet. The new owners can they chart out a new path for Jet 2.0. If GOI doesn’t at least counter with something, I feel like the AUH govt won’t be happy.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:03 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
...To me they should be separate. Meaning NG’s liabilities from potential crimes should be carved off of a sale of Jet by GOI banks. But the truth of Indian business/politics comes out....


You are underestimating PSBank Babus' ability to spread the blame so thin that it won't register on anyone. As I said in the past, over the last nine months SBI probably hired Audit-4 to do justify whatever they did/didn't do. There will be thousands of pages of case studies and analysis of all possible scenarios.

I am guessing there will be a CAG audit in 2025-26 on Jet fiasco, but they will not able to pin anyone. Very common with all scams in India.


Totally hear you. I don’t really care about figuring out the blame for Jet’s demise. Blame the banks, NG, no one. I don’t care. I just think the banks and GOI should come up with the right terms for a Jet sale (note: not bailout). I think the HIndujas saying that the GOI needs to indemnify them that the GOI won’t come after Jet 2.0 is totally fair. I would like to know from posters why the GOI shouldn’t do agree to this. If the GOI agrees, then new money is invested in Jet. The new owners can they chart out a new path for Jet 2.0. If GOI doesn’t at least counter with something, I feel like the AUH govt won’t be happy.


I don't think Hindujas or EY/UAE think GoI has any interest in saving Jet. The fact that they met in the UAE shows any potential plan to save by any investor will be thwarted by GoI. I don't think any foreign investor will be interested in such an environment.

PS: Not expecting GoI to save Jet by monitory or regulatory relaxation. All my statements are just opinions.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:09 pm

edealinfo wrote:
The Hindujas wants the Government to ignore its own “writing on the wall” to investors on a potential investment in Jet. Are these guys that dumb, or do they think their status as the richest family in UK will get the Government to behave?


Hindujas must invest in Jet airways and then Hindujas will not be the richest family in UK.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:24 pm

UKFLYER26 wrote:
Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)


VT-JBG - 35289 - Stored as OE-IBS - Ferried Addis Ababa (assuming EIS with Ethiopian?)


UKFLYER26


Could also be contracted maintenance with ET MRO by aircraft owner
A 319/320/321,A 330-200/300, A 340-300/500/600, B 737-300/400/500,B 737-700/800,B 747-300/400,B 767-200 ER/300 ER, B 777-200/200 ER,CRJ 200/900/1000,DHC-8-300/Q 300, DC-10, ERJ-195,MD-11
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:52 pm

Etihad’s new conditions to revive Jet

https://www.financialexpress.com/indust ... l/1600530/
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:36 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

You are underestimating PSBank Babus' ability to spread the blame so thin that it won't register on anyone. As I said in the past, over the last nine months SBI probably hired Audit-4 to do justify whatever they did/didn't do. There will be thousands of pages of case studies and analysis of all possible scenarios.

I am guessing there will be a CAG audit in 2025-26 on Jet fiasco, but they will not able to pin anyone. Very common with all scams in India.


Totally hear you. I don’t really care about figuring out the blame for Jet’s demise. Blame the banks, NG, no one. I don’t care. I just think the banks and GOI should come up with the right terms for a Jet sale (note: not bailout). I think the HIndujas saying that the GOI needs to indemnify them that the GOI won’t come after Jet 2.0 is totally fair. I would like to know from posters why the GOI shouldn’t do agree to this. If the GOI agrees, then new money is invested in Jet. The new owners can they chart out a new path for Jet 2.0. If GOI doesn’t at least counter with something, I feel like the AUH govt won’t be happy.


I don't think Hindujas or EY/UAE think GoI has any interest in saving Jet. The fact that they met in the UAE shows any potential plan to save by any investor will be thwarted by GoI. I don't think any foreign investor will be interested in such an environment.

PS: Not expecting GoI to save Jet by monitory or regulatory relaxation. All my statements are just opinions.


And devoid of any logic.

NG very cleverly stepped down days before its demise; now banks are the villains.

Considering that NG is also under investigation for questionable investments aka Dawood money, it makes Jet Airways revival that much more questionable.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:23 pm

The new asks really aren’t new. It should have been obvious to a business reporter that EY would ask operational vendors to also take a haircut on debt. Those guys should just feel lucky to get something. EY also doesn’t want to be drawn in for wrong doing NG May have done. Which is also fair and normal. Let’s see. I don’t think Jet is coming back but this saga just doesn’t end
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:14 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
The new asks really aren’t new. It should have been obvious to a business reporter that EY would ask operational vendors to also take a haircut on debt. Those guys should just feel lucky to get something. EY also doesn’t want to be drawn in for wrong doing NG May have done. Which is also fair and normal. Let’s see. I don’t think Jet is coming back but this saga just doesn’t end


Regardless of the outcome, I am glad this story will come to an end on June 10. As for the outcome, I am betting Jet will go under. The government has already hinted that it will award Jet's international rights "soon". This leads me to believe that this announcement would be made on June 11....that way the Govt can claim that no bids came in by June 10 and therefore they are reallocating Jet's rights (on June 11). At least this way they have a defensible timeline.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:14 am

It's now Jet versus Jet as endgame nears
Goyal's travel firm Jet Air in mid-May wrote to Jet Airways to vacate its premises in Gurugram.

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/its-now-jet-versus-jet-as-endgame-nears/articleshow/69699671.cms

Meanwhile, SpiceJet head Mr. Ajay Singh is already cozying up to the new Civil Aviation chief.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Xk9FzUcAAf8L6?format=jpg&name=medium

Has also been appointed on the Board of Governors (BoG) of the prestigious International Air Transport Association (IATA)
https://mobile.twitter.com/flyspicejet/status/1135863474871947264/photo/1

Is also President Boxing Federation of India
https://mobile.twitter.com/flyspicejet/status/1136472351703412737/photo/1

Now talk of hopes of Jet revival..adieu!
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:25 am

avier wrote:
[i]I

1. Meanwhile, SpiceJet head Mr. Ajay Singh is already cozying up to the new Civil Aviation chief.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Xk9FzUcAAf8L6?format=jpg&name=medium

2. Is also President Boxing Federation of India
https://mobile.twitter.com/flyspicejet/status/1136472351703412737/photo/1



1. In the picture, the Aviation Minister looks like he hasn't slept in 5 days (and correct me if I am wrong, but does each of his eyes have a different color?) Maybe he works a lot. Are Ajay Sing and the Minister both Punjabis?

2. What is it with corporate honchos, politicians and actors, all trying to get on sports bodies. Is it for the publicity, fame, or power?
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:40 am

Vistara, Air Asia andAir India to break even this yer per CAPA

https://www.thehindu.com/business/with- ... 690044.ece
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:47 am

This article suggests, and provides reasoning, for the following 5 routes to be started. Of all the 5 routes, I think #2 has the best chance. Do you agree?

1. Mumbai to Manchester
2. Chennai to Paris
3. Mumbai to Toronto (year-round flights)
4. Mumbai to Sydney
5. Delhi to Johannesburg

https://simpleflying.com/india-inadequa ... l-flights/
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:52 am

This article suggests that some day American Airlines could start BLR or HYD service to SFW or PHL.

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... -to-india/
 
edealinfo
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:19 am

Does anyone have a link to India's bilateral agreements with other countries. The one on the Ministry of Civil Aviation's side is Obsolete:

http://dgca.gov.in/bilateral/Bilateral%20-download.pdf
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:39 am

edealinfo wrote:
This article suggests, and provides reasoning, for the following 5 routes to be started. Of all the 5 routes, I think #2 has the best chance. Do you agree?

1. Mumbai to Manchester
2. Chennai to Paris
3. Mumbai to Toronto (year-round flights)
4. Mumbai to Sydney
5. Delhi to Johannesburg

https://simpleflying.com/india-inadequa ... l-flights/


Strange that JNB DEL made it to the list as maximum traffic from JNB to India is to BOM.

About YYZ BOM year round, I don't think that'll be feasible. Maximum traffic from YYZ is to DEL, ATQ region. I think later AC will rather make YYZ DEL 10 weekly than have YYZ BOM year round.

I think AI can try out flights from Delhi to DPS and BNE with their 788s . Both have come up as underserved routes in the past and might work in AI's configuration.

I think it's unlikely that anyone will start BOM MAN now. If AI starts MAN , they'll add it to their EU bank from DEL. If Vistara starts flying int'l this year, of course Manchester won't be in their list of first few destinations. Only one who can fly is VS and I hope they better try making LHR BOM work first.
The best preparation for tomorrow is doing your best today
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:43 am

edealinfo wrote:
This article suggests that some day American Airlines could start BLR or HYD service to SFW or PHL.

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... -to-india/


DFW - BLR / HYD?? :lol: Man what a distance!!

Jokes apart, only route making sense from PHL to India is PHL BLR with AI / 6E interline .
On a side note AA could've given ORD BOM a try once Vistara expands more out of BOM. Let's see
The best preparation for tomorrow is doing your best today
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:13 pm

edealinfo wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
The new asks really aren’t new. It should have been obvious to a business reporter that EY would ask operational vendors to also take a haircut on debt. Those guys should just feel lucky to get something. EY also doesn’t want to be drawn in for wrong doing NG May have done. Which is also fair and normal. Let’s see. I don’t think Jet is coming back but this saga just doesn’t end


Regardless of the outcome, I am glad this story will come to an end on June 10. As for the outcome, I am betting Jet will go under. The government has already hinted that it will award Jet's international rights "soon". This leads me to believe that this announcement would be made on June 11....that way the Govt can claim that no bids came in by June 10 and therefore they are reallocating Jet's rights (on June 11). At least this way they have a defensible timeline.


Ah yes, this should end Jet Airways misery.

Now the focus on NG. I can already see some counts under which he might be booked:
Unpaid salaries
Unpaid provident fund
Probably taxes and fuel
Bank guarantees

In addition, diversion of funds and therefore taxes
Some sort of racketeering charges about how investments came in Jet in the first place

Perhaps some of the Class F seats can be moved to the court room because he is going to be there for a while ....

For nostalgia purposes some die hard Jet employees can serve NG scotch there as well
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:56 pm

vadodara wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
The new asks really aren’t new. It should have been obvious to a business reporter that EY would ask operational vendors to also take a haircut on debt. Those guys should just feel lucky to get something. EY also doesn’t want to be drawn in for wrong doing NG May have done. Which is also fair and normal. Let’s see. I don’t think Jet is coming back but this saga just doesn’t end


Regardless of the outcome, I am glad this story will come to an end on June 10. As for the outcome, I am betting Jet will go under. The government has already hinted that it will award Jet's international rights "soon". This leads me to believe that this announcement would be made on June 11....that way the Govt can claim that no bids came in by June 10 and therefore they are reallocating Jet's rights (on June 11). At least this way they have a defensible timeline.


Ah yes, this should end Jet Airways misery.

Now the focus on NG. I can already see some counts under which he might be booked:
Unpaid salaries
Unpaid provident fund
Probably taxes and fuel
Bank guarantees

In addition, diversion of funds and therefore taxes
Some sort of racketeering charges about how investments came in Jet in the first place

Perhaps some of the Class F seats can be moved to the court room because he is going to be there for a while ....

For nostalgia purposes some die hard Jet employees can serve NG scotch there as well


You are being hard on NG. This is a business failure and you are attaching company issues to him personally which I don't think is correct. Otherwise, no one will get business.

NG make poor business decisions but no business makes good decisions 100% of the time. Plus, in a notoriously difficult and capital intensive business, he managed to keep Jet afloat for 25 years -- no meant feat indeed!

If he ever gets taken down, I hope it is for his political meddling (5/20 rule, bans on foreign investment and then about turn when it suited him, etc). Sadly, Air Asia is taking the heat for lobbying to overturn the idiotic 5/20 rule.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:34 pm

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vadodara wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Regardless of the outcome, I am glad this story will come to an end on June 10. As for the outcome, I am betting Jet will go under. The government has already hinted that it will award Jet's international rights "soon". This leads me to believe that this announcement would be made on June 11....that way the Govt can claim that no bids came in by June 10 and therefore they are reallocating Jet's rights (on June 11). At least this way they have a defensible timeline.


Ah yes, this should end Jet Airways misery.

Now the focus on NG. I can already see some counts under which he might be booked:
Unpaid salaries
Unpaid provident fund
Probably taxes and fuel
Bank guarantees

In addition, diversion of funds and therefore taxes
Some sort of racketeering charges about how investments came in Jet in the first place

Perhaps some of the Class F seats can be moved to the court room because he is going to be there for a while ....

For nostalgia purposes some die hard Jet employees can serve NG scotch there as well


You are being hard on NG. This is a business failure and you are attaching company issues to him personally which I don't think is correct. Otherwise, no one will get business.

NG make poor business decisions but no business makes good decisions 100% of the time. Plus, in a notoriously difficult and capital intensive business, he managed to keep Jet afloat for 25 years -- no meant feat indeed!

If he ever gets taken down, I hope it is for his political meddling (5/20 rule, bans on foreign investment and then about turn when it suited him, etc). Sadly, Air Asia is taking the heat for lobbying to overturn the idiotic 5/20 rule.

NG bankrupted Jet twice. When he had to take the Etihad cash infusion, exactly why didn't he reform the company.

He worked people without pay for 5 months. That is just wrong. If he had by last October acknowledged the reality of then, he could have saved the income of thousands.

The only reason Jet's International rights haven't been allocated is to give Air India a chance at taking them. It would be far better if each airline was given a 'draft vote' and one by one selected international slots with every one having a use it or lose it expiration date.

Jet is going to be a MBA and international relations case study on how bad bankruptcy laws need to be planned around.

I'm wondering when the GoI wakes up and realizes how punitive their taxes on aviation are?

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:11 pm

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I'm wondering when the GoI wakes up and realizes how punitive their taxes on aviation are?

Lightsaber


They never will, there is no incentive to correct structural issues as long as people believe these are tactical management issues.

No foreign investor is interested in investing in India. AI will meet 9W's fate in the next few months. I am guessing again SBI & Co will be used by GoI to cut off funds to make it collapse, just like 9W. SG and others will pick up spoils.

No private carrier can truly become an international carrier under the current environment. UK will try for a few years and collapse.

I think in coming years foreign carriers' share in India's international traffic grows at a much faster rate.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:17 pm

edealinfo wrote:
You are being hard on NG. This is a business failure and you are attaching company issues to him personally which I don't think is correct.


edealinfo wrote:
NG make poor business decisions


Read both of your statements back to back and think about what you are saying. If NG who was well known for being the "whole & sole" of 9W and credited with bringing it to "world class airline" status, he needs to take the rap for the failure emanating from as you said HIS "bad business decisions".

edealinfo wrote:
Plus, in a notoriously difficult and capital intensive business, he managed to keep Jet afloat for 25 years -- no meant feat indeed!


edealinfo wrote:
If he ever gets taken down, I hope it is for his political meddling (5/20 rule, bans on foreign investment and then about turn when it suited him, etc).

Read both of your statements. Now read the second line again. You have the answer to the first.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:22 pm

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I think AI can try out flights from Delhi to DPS and BNE with their 788s . Both have come up as underserved routes in the past and might work in AI's configuration.

Wouldn't BOM - SYD come before DEL - BNE?

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I think it's unlikely that anyone will start BOM MAN now. If AI starts MAN , they'll add it to their EU bank from DEL. If Vistara starts flying int'l this year, of course Manchester won't be in their list of first few destinations. Only one who can fly is VS and I hope they better try making LHR BOM work first.

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:28 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
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I'm wondering when the GoI wakes up and realizes how punitive their taxes on aviation are?

Lightsaber


They never will, there is no incentive to correct structural issues as long as people believe these are tactical management issues.

No foreign investor is interested in investing in India. AI will meet 9W's fate in the next few months. I am guessing again SBI & Co will be used by GoI to cut off funds to make it collapse, just like 9W. SG and others will pick up spoils.

No private carrier can truly become an international carrier under the current environment. UK will try for a few years and collapse.

I think in coming years foreign carriers' share in India's international traffic grows at a much faster rate.


AI has already collapsed. Allowing it to die is the best possible thing for Indian aviation and consumers.

So, after months of banging the drum that 9W is fine and this is fake news, were moving on to UK's impending demise?

If my credibility was this shot, I'd probably refrain from making prophetic statements.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:47 pm

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The only reason Jet's International rights haven't been allocated is to give Air India a chance at taking them. It would be far better if each airline was given a 'draft vote' and one by one selected international slots with every one having a use it or lose it expiration date.

Lightsaber


I like your allocation methodology. Fair and balanced.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:52 pm

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AI will meet 9W's fate in the next few months. I am guessing again SBI & Co will be used by GoI to cut off funds to make it collapse, just like 9W. SG and others will pick up spoils.

No private carrier can truly become an international carrier under the current environment. UK will try for a few years and collapse.

I think in coming years foreign carriers' share in India's international traffic grows at a much faster rate.


1. I like your bold predictions. If even 50% are right, you will be KIng.

2. If the Govt,, allows Air India to collapse, in my eyes, Moody is King (in a good way, not in a Grump way). Unfortunately, the Government may be defining "success" as selling Air India, not its dissolution. If no one buys it, I suspect it will still be a tire around the Government's neck that politically it will not be able to get rid off. My suggestion is for the Govt., to sell Air India in individual pieces.....Air India Major, Alliance Air, Air India Express, Air India Engineering, AI-SATS, etc.....this way at least some individual pieces will be sold and they can at least SHRINK Air India.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:54 pm

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edealinfo wrote:
Plus, in a notoriously difficult and capital intensive business, he managed to keep Jet afloat for 25 years -- no meant feat indeed!


edealinfo wrote:
If he ever gets taken down, I hope it is for his political meddling (5/20 rule, bans on foreign investment and then about turn when it suited him, etc).

Read both of your statements. Now read the second line again. You have the answer to the first.


Point well taken and noted.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:39 pm

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binayak wrote:

I think AI can try out flights from Delhi to DPS and BNE with their 788s . Both have come up as underserved routes in the past and might work in AI's configuration.

Wouldn't BOM - SYD come before DEL - BNE?


By QF, maybe .
By AI, hardly any chance.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:48 pm

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AI will meet 9W's fate in the next few months. I am guessing again SBI & Co will be used by GoI to cut off funds to make it collapse, just like 9W. SG and others will pick up spoils.

No private carrier can truly become an international carrier under the current environment. UK will try for a few years and collapse.

I think in coming years foreign carriers' share in India's international traffic grows at a much faster rate.


1. I like your bold predictions. If even 50% are right, you will be KIng.

2. If the Govt,, allows Air India to collapse, in my eyes, Moody is King (in a good way, not in a Grump way). Unfortunately, the Government may be defining "success" as selling Air India, not its dissolution. If no one buys it, I suspect it will still be a tire around the Government's neck that politically it will not be able to get rid off. My suggestion is for the Govt., to sell Air India in individual pieces.....Air India Major, Alliance Air, Air India Express, Air India Engineering, AI-SATS, etc.....this way at least some individual pieces will be sold and they can at least SHRINK Air India.

If AI fails in 2019's high spike in international fares , then it is good news they went under. Seriously, if they are losing money now, it is never going to be possible to turn them around.

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:13 pm

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1. I like your bold predictions. If even 50% are right, you will be KIng.

2. Unfortunately, the Government may be defining "success" as selling Air India, not its dissolution. If no one buys it, I suspect it will still be a tire around the Government's neck that politically it will not be able to get rid off. My suggestion is for the Govt., to sell Air India in individual pieces.....Air India Major, Alliance Air, Air India Express, Air India Engineering, AI-SATS, etc.....this way at least some individual pieces will be sold and they can at least SHRINK Air India.


I will be happy if I am 100% wrong.

The definition of success changed after 9W. 9W going down without losing one vote is a great success. There are no elections for the next five years, killing AI quickly is a timely thing to do. The silver lining, 6E can breathe easy.

As I said, no foreign investor or foreign airline manager will set foot in India. No one wants to get involved in never-ending investigations and lookout notices. There are other business-friendly countries in the world.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:56 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
1. I like your bold predictions. If even 50% are right, you will be KIng.

2. Unfortunately, the Government may be defining "success" as selling Air India, not its dissolution. If no one buys it, I suspect it will still be a tire around the Government's neck that politically it will not be able to get rid off. My suggestion is for the Govt., to sell Air India in individual pieces.....Air India Major, Alliance Air, Air India Express, Air India Engineering, AI-SATS, etc.....this way at least some individual pieces will be sold and they can at least SHRINK Air India.


I will be happy if I am 100% wrong.

The definition of success changed after 9W. 9W going down without losing one vote is a great success. There are no elections for the next five years, killing AI quickly is a timely thing to do. The silver lining, 6E can breathe easy.

As I said, no foreign investor or foreign airline manager will set foot in India. No one wants to get involved in never-ending investigations and lookout notices. There are other business-friendly countries in the world.


I guess UK and Air Asia don't exist? Or did India recently annex Singapore? You were wrong on 9W, now you make up nonsense to try to defend that by making up far fetched claims. There are already foreign investors and airline managers in India. To my knowledge, Wolfgang Prock-Schauer isn't an Indian name.

The basic lack of fact checking is detrimental to this thread. Stop digging more holes and walk away with at least a little dignity.
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