Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread

DIJKKIJK · Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:07 am

With the Tatas consolidating in the full service sector, Jet is going to find its comeback a lot more challenging. Remains to be seen how they will compete with AI and Vistara.

hohd · Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:12 pm

trinidadeG wrote:
What can 9W 2.0 do with five B777s? Lease them to TATAs Air India?

India's Jet Airways volte-faces on B777 plans - CH Aviation

Contrary to earlier indications that it would abandon the type, Jet Airways (JAI, Mumbai Int'l) is now contemplating reactivating some of its owned B777-300(ER)s when it restarts, a source told The Economic Times.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... b777-plans

They will be better off leasing it to some other airline and consider getting/leasing more fuel efficient aircraft. Unless they plan on using these aircraft on domestic or short haul international, for long haul, they wont have feed in either city and getting good yields will be difficult.

JerseyFlyer · Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:42 am

A big order on the cards? 100 narrowbodies.

https://www.aerotime.aero/29610-jet-air ... raft-order

https://simpleflying.com/jet-airways-2-order-rumors/

trinidadeG · Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:49 am

Will it ever fly again?

JetAirways · Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:41 pm

Seems like there might actually be some progress with Jet Airways' revival:

https://twitter.com/jetairways/status/1 ... 67813?s=21 (started hiring pilots)
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 13200.html

Looks like they will be using the 737 NG and their existing B738 VT-JBG that has been stored at HYD since 2018 will be used for certifications.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity ... 54304-LWWr
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ays/rm9qom

They have also recently applied for their AOC:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... in-funding

JetAirways · Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:56 am

Jet Airways appoints Sanjiv Kapoor as its CEO.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 189485.ece

Plus they also hired Vipula Gunatilleka as their CFO.

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 95225.html

zuckie13 · Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:05 pm

They'll be selling tickets in what 3-4 years at the rate this is going?

edealinfo · Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:14 am

JetAirways wrote:
Seems like there might actually be some progress with Jet Airways' revival:

https://twitter.com/jetairways/status/1 ... 67813?s=21 (started hiring pilots)
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 13200.html

Looks like they will be using the 737 NG and their existing B738 VT-JBG that has been stored at HYD since 2018 will be used for certifications.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity ... 54304-LWWr
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ays/rm9qom

They have also recently applied for their AOC:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... in-funding

So , how many planes will they be flying initially? (For now, pretend the $130 a barrel oil price (as of March 5), is $60).

JetAirways · Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:48 am

edealinfo wrote:
So , how many planes will they be flying initially? (For now, pretend the $130 a barrel oil price (as of March 5), is $60).

I remember reading somewhere that they were leasing 5 ex Jet Airways 737-800s. So they are looking at operating 5-6 planes initially.

PS: Apologies, Couldn't find the link to the article, IIRC I saw it on LinkedIn.

JetAirways · Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:53 pm

Their 777s at Delhi are in a pitiful state. As per one of the replies on the tweet the ones at Mumbai get started up.

https://twitter.com/Deaphen/status/1507 ... Jmx-IcoA-g

Also was flying out of DEL on 17 March and saw their Boeing 737-900 VT-JGD in the Air India hangars. Any idea if they are going to be used if and when the airline makes a comeback?

JetAirways · Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:14 pm

Jet Airways to remerge as a hybrid airline; the airline's new CEO said in an interview:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business ... brid-model
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... brid-model

JetAirways · Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:51 am

Proving flight to be conducted soon with a Boeing 737-85R (former VT-JGU and VT-SXE). 9W code has also been reinstated for Jet Airways.
https://twitter.com/thesanjivkapoor/sta ... aOTT2kwstA

JetAirways · Thu May 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Jet Airways back in the skies again! VT-SXE performed a test flight earlier today (HYD-HYD) and then positioned HYD-DEL as 9W101 for initiating the process of obtaining the AOC & commencing proving flights.

https://twitter.com/k_anish02/status/15 ... DBvr5nDFnw

https://twitter.com/jetairways/status/1 ... DBvr5nDFnw

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vt-sxe

trinidadeG · Thu May 05, 2022 5:16 pm

So apparently, Jet Airways will be creating history of sorts by being the first airline in India to restart operations after the suspension.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busin ... 60111.html

sibibom · Thu May 05, 2022 5:32 pm

Damn! I will have to eat my words soon to say Jet wouldn't return. Lets hope 2.0 is better than 1.0.

readytotaxi · Thu May 05, 2022 5:50 pm

How are landing slots/pairs handled in India, are there lots of availability at airports currently ?

sibibom · Fri May 06, 2022 2:05 am

readytotaxi wrote:
How are landing slots/pairs handled in India, are there lots of availability at airports currently ?

Mumbai is almost reaching pre pandemic level, meaning slots are limited as before. Jet 2.0 will be based in Delhi initially, which still has slots but I suspect not many in the prime slots.

avier · Fri May 06, 2022 5:04 am

sibibom wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
How are landing slots/pairs handled in India, are there lots of availability at airports currently ?

Mumbai is almost reaching pre pandemic level, meaning slots are limited as before. Jet 2.0 will be based in Delhi initially, which still has slots but I suspect not many in the prime slots.

New slots were not available at BOM even during the pandemic. Just because airlines operated fewer flights, doesn't mean slots somehow became available at BOM.

People have this weird misconception that just because airlines were operating fewer flights during pandemic, it means unused slots were up for grabs. If that were the case, every unused slot at BOM, LHR, JFK, etc would have been gobbled up by other airlines.

Every airline, desi or foreign, continued to own their respective slots at BOM, whether they were using it or not. Afterall, the use-it lose-it rule was/is suspended due to the pandemic (as notified by IATA).
How do you think masala airline continues to own all their slots at BOM without using it, even now?

acavpics · Fri May 06, 2022 3:40 pm

So in short, what are the companies plans (or learned-lessons) from the downfall of the previous 9W?
In other words, how do they plane to effectively compete against low cost giants like 6E, SG etc if they still plan to take on the full-service model?
Let's hope they don't have another saga like Air Sahara/JetLite/JetKonnect and buy unnecessary amounts of aircrafts (like their 777 order in the late 2000's).

avier · Fri May 06, 2022 6:39 pm

acavpics wrote:
So in short, what are the companies plans (or learned-lessons) from the downfall of the previous 9W?
In other words, how do they plane to effectively compete against low cost giants like 6E, SG etc if they still plan to take on the full-service model?
Let's hope they don't have another saga like Air Sahara/JetLite/JetKonnect and buy unnecessary amounts of aircrafts (like their 777 order in the late 2000's).

They intend to adopt the FSC business model of western carriers, i.e a kind of hybrid/LCC offering in Y class and a proper full service in J class, for their domestic ops. And most likely a proper full-service offering, like a traditional FSC, in all cabins on int'l sectors.

Their main appeal is their brand, beyond that I wonder how much can they differentiate themselves in product and service offerings in Y cabin. More importantly, they need to get useful slots at major airports, to get back any of their loyal customers.

JetAirways · Sun May 15, 2022 4:29 pm

Proving flights have commenced. DEL-BOM-AMD-DEL done today with DEL-HYD-DEL planned for 17 May 2022.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vt-sxe

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/jet ... 84207.html

https://twitter.com/birdgrp/status/1525 ... kz2T0jckBw

https://twitter.com/kadamanshul/status/ ... kz2T0jckBw

https://twitter.com/livefromalounge/sta ... kz2T0jckBw

https://twitter.com/thesanjivkapoor/sta ... kz2T0jckBw

JetAirways · Fri May 20, 2022 8:00 pm

AOC has been obtained. Looking at restarting ops in July-Sept quarter.

https://twitter.com/jetairways/status/1 ... kchvkbCW9w

https://twitter.com/27saurabhsinha/stat ... kchvkbCW9w

https://twitter.com/captnppuri/status/1 ... kchvkbCW9w

avier · Sat May 21, 2022 7:01 am

Can't wait for their new aircraft order; which aircraft type it'd be and how many.

zionite · Sat May 21, 2022 3:35 pm

avier wrote:
Can't wait for their new aircraft order; which aircraft type it'd be and how many.

They are starting with 737-800 proving flights.

But I wish they could take up the more fuel efficient A320neo that are leaving the Indigo fleet after 6 years of service.

SkyEye350 · Sat May 21, 2022 3:56 pm

I think they would be using the 5 777s that they own at some point but as far as aircraft orders go I can see them going the SQ route of 737MAXs for short haul and A350s for the long haul

DIJKKIJK · Sat May 21, 2022 4:04 pm

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trinidadeG wrote:
So apparently, Jet Airways will be creating history of sorts by being the first airline in India to restart operations after the suspension.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busin ... 60111.html

Jet Airways had tangible assets by way of owned aircraft, which made them attractive to investors despite their bankruptcy.
This should be a lesson for all those who swear by the sale leaseback model. Owning airplanes makes a company more viable in the long run.

The only other airline in India which is investable in for this reason is Air India, and it found takers despite its huge financial liabilities as well.

DIJKKIJK · Sat May 21, 2022 4:11 pm

zionite wrote:
avier wrote:
Can't wait for their new aircraft order; which aircraft type it'd be and how many.

They are starting with 737-800 proving flights.

But I wish they could take up the more fuel efficient A320neo that are leaving the Indigo fleet after 6 years of service.

Those planes are are most likely due for D-checks which IndiGo doesn't want to spend money on. That's why they are leaving the fleet.

Good that Jet has stuck with Boeing. They probably can still activate the 100-aircraft 737 MAX order they had with Boeing.

zionite · Sat May 21, 2022 4:49 pm

Aren't the cost of D-checks are already built in the leasing costs? Its not like Jet will have to pay the lessor separately for the checks.

Jet and SpiceJet, both Boeing 737 operators, was/are struggling compared to A320 operators - Indigo, Vistara, Go Air and Air Asia.

airboss787 · Sat May 21, 2022 6:45 pm

zionite wrote:
Aren't the cost of D-checks are already built in the leasing costs? Its not like Jet will have to pay the lessor separately for the checks.

Jet and SpiceJet, both Boeing 737 operators, was/are struggling compared to A320 operators - Indigo, Vistara, Go Air and Air Asia.

But the aircraft they are flying has nothing to do with the financial situation of any of those airlines. I would also say GoAir and AirAsia are also struggling.

DIJKKIJK · Sat May 21, 2022 7:27 pm

zionite wrote:
Aren't the cost of D-checks are already built in the leasing costs? Its not like Jet will have to pay the lessor separately for the checks.

Jet and SpiceJet, both Boeing 737 operators, was/are struggling compared to A320 operators - Indigo, Vistara, Go Air and Air Asia.

Vistara, Air Asia and Go Air are struggling as well. Only IndiGo is profitable,

avier · Sun May 22, 2022 2:06 pm

zionite wrote:
They are starting with 737-800 proving flights.

But I wish they could take up the more fuel efficient A320neo that are leaving the Indigo fleet after 6 years of service.

The NEO's are leaving the 6E fleet slowly.
There aren't enough neos available in the used market.
New early delivery slots from Airbus aren't available either for this type.
So I'd be surprised if they consider this model.

A220 or E-Jet E2 will be a real suprise. 737Max be ideal choice.
They also want to hire former employees, so 737 makes sense.

zionite · Sun May 22, 2022 9:42 pm

avier wrote:
The NEO's are leaving the 6E fleet slowly.
There aren't enough neos available in the used market.
New early delivery slots from Airbus aren't available either for this type.
So I'd be surprised if they consider this model.

A220 or E-Jet E2 will be a real suprise. 737Max be ideal choice.

5 neos have left the 6E fleet. If 9W has big dreams like start with 10+ aircraft and expand rapidly at 10 aircraft per year, they will not survive against 6E.

avier wrote:
They also want to hire former employees, so 737 makes sense.

DIJKKIJK wrote:
Vistara, Air Asia and Go Air are struggling as well. Only IndiGo is profitable,

Many of the former employees have not been paid yet. Many have jumped from B737 to A320.
Except for SpiceJet, others are paying salaries on time, never been grounded or close to it, never put on cash and carry by the fuel companies etc.

Best of luck to Akasa and Jet Airways. Would love to see them fly...

DartHerald · Sun May 22, 2022 10:47 pm

I'm a bit puzzled - isn't 6E returning less fuel efficient A320CEOs and replacing them with New NEOs, rather than returning NEOs?

avier · Mon May 23, 2022 4:58 am

DartHerald wrote:
I'm a bit puzzled - isn't 6E returning less fuel efficient A320CEOs and replacing them with New NEOs, rather than returning NEOs?

They are phasing out all their A320CEO's by 2023.
Their NEO's, which are older than 6yrs and of PW GTF (early build ones) are also being slowly phased out too.
All these being replaced by new NEO's of CFM Leap, mostly by the larger A321neo.

JetAirways · Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:53 am

avier wrote:
Can't wait for their new aircraft order; which aircraft type it'd be and how many.

I would expect them to order something at Farnborough next month. I think it will be a fight between the A320neo family and the 737 MAX with it being Boeing's order to lose, considering Jet 1.0's historical fleet and the use of the Boeing 737-800 for proving flights. Don't think that they will get the E2 or A220 as they are much smaller than the competition's narrow-bodies. Seems like both AI and 9W are going shopping for new aircraft.

https://twitter.com/jetairways/status/1 ... AVhKwXGfMQ

VTORD · Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:52 pm

JetAirways wrote:
avier wrote:
Can't wait for their new aircraft order; which aircraft type it'd be and how many.

I would expect them to order something at Farnborough next month. I think it will be a fight between the A320neo family and the 737 MAX with it being Boeing's order to lose, considering Jet 1.0's historical fleet and the use of the Boeing 737-800 for proving flights. Don't think that they will get the E2 or A220 as they are much smaller than the competition's narrow-bodies. Seems like both AI and 9W are going shopping for new aircraft.

https://twitter.com/jetairways/status/1 ... AVhKwXGfMQ

If they did a proving flight with the B737 and then ordered the A320, would they have to do the proving flight again. And I think the A220 would be a great plane on some smaller sectors in India (ATR flights)

JetAirways · Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:29 pm

VTORD wrote:
If they did a proving flight with the B737 and then ordered the A320, would they have to do the proving flight again. And I think the A220 would be a great plane on some smaller sectors in India (ATR flights)

Personally I feel they could trade in the remaining 777s to get a better deal for the 737 MAX order placed by Naresh Goyal. Makes the most sense to have 737s as they had them in the past and IIRC they still have sims, MRO equipment etc for the 737s. Wonder if the order for 10 787-9s placed in 2006 will be re-activated with deliveries slated towards the end of the decade when they look at flying long-haul.

I think they should not look at regional (ATR segment) flights as there is too much competition with Alliance Air, SpiceJet and IndiGo along with low yields and price ceilings on those sectors.

Spiderguy252 · Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:56 pm

JetAirways wrote:
Personally I feel they could trade in the remaining 777s to get a better deal for the 737 MAX order placed by Naresh Goyal.

Those 777s are scrap at best.

edealinfo · Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:03 am

JetAirways wrote:
Jet Airways back in the skies again! VT-SXE performed a test flight earlier today (HYD-HYD) and then positioned HYD-DEL as 9W101 for initiating the process of obtaining the AOC & commencing proving flights.

Are "proving" flights unique to the India process and not followed anywhere else in the world? Was it designed for free jaunts by bureaucrats and having flight attendants fuss over them, when flying was considered luxurious even if the flight returned to the original airport the same day?

edealinfo · Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:04 am

avier wrote:
How do you think masala airline continues to own all their slots at BOM without using it, even now?

You mean S pice? Whare are Indians so afraid to name the culprits? No real democracy in I ndia?

JetAirways · Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:41 am

Spiderguy252 wrote:
JetAirways wrote:
Personally I feel they could trade in the remaining 777s to get a better deal for the 737 MAX order placed by Naresh Goyal.

Those 777s are scrap at best.

Boeing Capital Corporation will buy anything :lol:

. I reached out to one of the AMEs on LinkedIn and he stated "they do get powered up using GPU/APU and their engines/aircraft are under long term storage". Can't really say much as a layman because they cosmetically look pitiful. Don't know if they are mechanically sound.

JetAirways · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:49 am

Talks are on for A320neo and A220. Order to be worth around $5.5bn.

https://twitter.com/cnbctv18live/status ... 1oxh_LTkzA
https://twitter.com/anuragkotoky/status ... 1oxh_LTkzA

DTWLAX · Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:27 pm

What is the status of Jet 2.0? Wasn't the plan to start flying by mid 2022? There has been no movement for a few months now.
The way things are moving, I am wondering if we will ever see them fly again.

JetAirways · Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:34 am

DTWLAX wrote:
What is the status of Jet 2.0? Wasn't the plan to start flying by mid 2022? There has been no movement for a few months now.
The way things are moving, I am wondering if we will ever see them fly again.

They seem to be busy recruiting people and executives at the moment, with the some significant posts being filled on 13th July. Their website is also up and running now (https://www.jetairways.com/) which states that "The airline intends to recommence commercial operations in the current quarter ending September 2022."

There have been a few hiccups long the way (most recent - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 038172.cms) but I think that Jet 2.0 could see the light of day. Nobody would spend money on hiring people, leasing office spaces and a B737-800 for the proving flight unless they are serious about reviving it.

JetAirways · Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:07 am

Some movement at DEL with VT-JET being towed. Any idea if she is being flown out of DEL for scrap, sale or maintenance etc.?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cgt9vxsh ... MyMTA2M2Y=

JetAirways · Sat Aug 27, 2022 9:09 am

Seems like Jet Airways is making the switch to the Airbus A320neo after being a Boeing 737 stalwart. Big loss for Boeing in India.

https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/2022/0 ... dm-vq.html

Nimish · Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:21 am

JetAirways wrote:
Seems like Jet Airways is making the switch to the Airbus A320neo after being a Boeing 737 stalwart. Big loss for Boeing in India.

https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/2022/0 ... dm-vq.html

Quite odd - I'd have thought Jet would go 737 for sure!

whiplash · Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:35 am

JetAirways wrote:
Some movement at DEL with VT-JET being towed. Any idea if she is being flown out of DEL for scrap, sale or maintenance etc.?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cgt9vxsh ... MyMTA2M2Y=

They parked it on the Air India apron to make space on the cargo apron.

behramjee · Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:23 pm

JetAirways wrote:
Seems like Jet Airways is making the switch to the Airbus A320neo after being a Boeing 737 stalwart. Big loss for Boeing in India.

https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/2022/0 ... dm-vq.html

Most likely is a capacity bridge solution offered by Airbus until the A223s arrive as they are apparently in the final stage of firming up an order for 50 units.

Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... s?from=mdr

zuckie13 · Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:43 pm

OK, how are things going there really?
The Directors of Flight Operations, Flight Safety and Training have all resigned recently.

Can't be good if all those suddenly leave.

Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 081663.cms

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