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unrave wrote:Hey look, SpiceJet is the new Jet
unrave wrote:Hey look, SpiceJet is the new Jet
acavpics wrote:Fargo wrote:Is there a chance KL can start AMS-BLR now?
I've read that they don't have that many spare aircrafts at the moment. So I think it would be some time till will see them launch BLR. I think its more likely that they increase capacity to BOM first.
edealinfo wrote:
2. Several of the aircraft will be WET LEASED from Jet (meaning Jet's crew will man the aircraft).
avier wrote:
That explains the extremely cheap stickers put by SpiceJet on those planes. Once MAX issues are sorted and deliveries resume, SG anyways wouldn't want the older variant NG's. They were always vocal about going full MAX ASAP due to lower cost of ops.
Only issue is pax are going to be confused.
pushpakvimaan wrote:Feel like NG is pulling some strings in background. This shall keep Jet company and their AOC alive
VTORD wrote:
I think we are getting off-topic but key phrase: if they are flying onwards to USA/CAN or other EU states
A passenger who falls in this category will always have a valid visa stamped in their passport so they don't need the transit visa. But.....
A passenger who is traveling from the US to India may or may not need one based on his current job status.
Eg., I am on H1B and work for company A in the US. My visa is valid up to 03/21/2019. My company renewed my visa beyond that date but I am traveling to India only after 04/01/2019, this means my visa has expired and I need to get a visa stamped in my PP at a US consulate/embassy. I would need a transit visa on my USA - India leg through any of those airports. The I-797A approval notice is no longer valid for travel but is valid for me to live and work in the US so long as I don't exit the country. This has been a major plus for the ME3 as they do not have this requirement.
edealinfo wrote:Subramanian Swamy, the King of Conspiracy Theories, said, "Two Ministers are manipulating sale of Jet Airways spoils to Spice Jet whose real owners I will reveal later. Only above board option GOI has is amalgam of Jet with Air India since Bilaterals on airspace involves Govt" . [Ironically the merger of Jet and Air India.....is the one that favors Reliance since they floated that option]. In the end, it's all about the spoils of (business) war to be decided by business groups and politicians who are the real players................. and vendors, lessors, the customers and the public, are mere spectators.
SEPARATELY, I wonder who the secret owners of SpiceJet are. There are also rumors in the press that a a former NCP aviation minister from Maharashta is a secret owner of Indigo.
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 19157.html
pushpakvimaan wrote:Feel like NG is pulling some strings in background. This shall keep Jet company and their AOC alive
DTWLAX wrote:No transit visa required at all for AMS and CDG. CDG got rid of the rule in July 2018. See links below:
https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/travel ... ansit-visa - Click on the link of countries that require a transit visa. Exemptions are applicable only for countries on the list and India is not even on the list. So you are good there.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/i ... in-france/ - France has completely abolished the transit visa rule for Indians. I can vouch for that because I traveled through CDG in October 2018 with an expired H-1B visa with no problem.
https://www.germany-visa.org/airport-transit-visa/ - Germany states you can transit through FRA and MUC if you have a valid or expired visa issued by the US.
Hope this clears things for you.
DTWLAX wrote:pushpakvimaan wrote:Feel like NG is pulling some strings in background. This shall keep Jet company and their AOC alive
Do you have any source for this?
edealinfo wrote:DTWLAX wrote:No transit visa required at all for AMS and CDG. CDG got rid of the rule in July 2018. See links below:
https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/travel ... ansit-visa - Click on the link of countries that require a transit visa. Exemptions are applicable only for countries on the list and India is not even on the list. So you are good there.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/i ... in-france/ - France has completely abolished the transit visa rule for Indians. I can vouch for that because I traveled through CDG in October 2018 with an expired H-1B visa with no problem.
https://www.germany-visa.org/airport-transit-visa/ - Germany states you can transit through FRA and MUC if you have a valid or expired visa issued by the US.
Hope this clears things for you.
It has already been established that CDG, FRA, MUC, and AMS don't need transit visas. The airport for which clarification is sought, because of ambiguity, is LHR.
pushpakvimaan wrote:Feel like NG is pulling some strings in background. This shall keep Jet company and their AOC alive
edealinfo wrote:1. SpiceJet will take anywhere between 30 and 40 of Jet's 737s, Air India will take 5 B77Ws and Air India Express will take some Boening 737.
2. Several of the aircraft will be WET LEASED from Jet (meaning Jet's crew will man the aircraft).
Read more at:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 972479.cms
sand26391 wrote:I wonder who will take the 2x BLR-SIN & 2 daily AMS slots of Jet Airways (considering 9W isn't taking off anytime soon). Fingers crossed & hope for the best.
yashk wrote:AI is looking at Jet's five B777s, B737s for AI Express and may even consider the widebody Airbus A330.
In all, AI may take 10 to 12 of Jet's planes and SpiceJet may take a few more in the coming weeks.
To operate these planes, AI and SpiceJet will take aircraft with operating crew from Jet.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 961225.cms
This is surprising - AI looking at Airbus A330!
lightsaber wrote:edealinfo wrote:1. SpiceJet will take anywhere between 30 and 40 of Jet's 737s, Air India will take 5 B77Ws and Air India Express will take some Boening 737.
2. Several of the aircraft will be WET LEASED from Jet (meaning Jet's crew will man the aircraft).
Read more at:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 972479.cms
The wet lease part is facinating. If you find more links on it, please post them.
I'm curious how Jet employees are compensated.
Lightsaber
acavpics wrote:sand26391 wrote:I wonder who will take the 2x BLR-SIN & 2 daily AMS slots of Jet Airways (considering 9W isn't taking off anytime soon). Fingers crossed & hope for the best.
The SIA group (SQ/Scoot/Silk) could increase capacity or have have Vistara operate a flight on the route.
If not, I could see 6E doing BLR since most of their current routes over there seem to be doing good. The only other remote possibility would be AI (mainline). But given their financial situation, I'm not sure if this would really help them.
edealinfo wrote:acavpics wrote:sand26391 wrote:I wonder who will take the 2x BLR-SIN & 2 daily AMS slots of Jet Airways (considering 9W isn't taking off anytime soon). Fingers crossed & hope for the best.
The SIA group (SQ/Scoot/Silk) could increase capacity or have have Vistara operate a flight on the route.
If not, I could see 6E doing BLR since most of their current routes over there seem to be doing good. The only other remote possibility would be AI (mainline). But given their financial situation, I'm not sure if this would really help them.
Singapore Airlines Group has exhausted all its bilateral entitlements to Indian metros so that can’t do BLR to SIN. Tata’s Vistara can’t do it because they continue to be asleep at the wheels and won’t have any new aircraft coming in until June 2019, at which point it is too late. So, either SpiceJet, Indigo or Air India will go after that slot.
Antarius wrote:edealinfo wrote:acavpics wrote:
The SIA group (SQ/Scoot/Silk) could increase capacity or have have Vistara operate a flight on the route.
If not, I could see 6E doing BLR since most of their current routes over there seem to be doing good. The only other remote possibility would be AI (mainline). But given their financial situation, I'm not sure if this would really help them.
Singapore Airlines Group has exhausted all its bilateral entitlements to Indian metros so that can’t do BLR to SIN. Tata’s Vistara can’t do it because they continue to be asleep at the wheels and won’t have any new aircraft coming in until June 2019, at which point it is too late. So, either SpiceJet, Indigo or Air India will go after that slot.
So far, the only airline that has managed to successfully expand rapidly has been 6E. SG damn nearly collapsed, AI is a perennial clown-show basket case and 9W is now gone.
Blindly rushing into things isnt a recipe for success.
edealinfo wrote:acavpics wrote:sand26391 wrote:I wonder who will take the 2x BLR-SIN & 2 daily AMS slots of Jet Airways (considering 9W isn't taking off anytime soon). Fingers crossed & hope for the best.
The SIA group (SQ/Scoot/Silk) could increase capacity or have have Vistara operate a flight on the route.
If not, I could see 6E doing BLR since most of their current routes over there seem to be doing good. The only other remote possibility would be AI (mainline). But given their financial situation, I'm not sure if this would really help them.
Singapore Airlines Group has exhausted all its bilateral entitlements to Indian metros so that can’t do BLR to SIN. Tata’s Vistara can’t do it because they continue to be asleep at the wheels and won’t have any new aircraft coming in until June 2019, at which point it is too late. So, either SpiceJet, Indigo or Air India will go after that slot.
yashk wrote:AI is looking at Jet's five B777s, B737s for AI Express and may even consider the widebody Airbus A330.
In all, AI may take 10 to 12 of Jet's planes and SpiceJet may take a few more in the coming weeks.
To operate these planes, AI and SpiceJet will take aircraft with operating crew from Jet.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 961225.cms
This is surprising - AI looking at Airbus A330!
DTWLAX wrote:VTORD - You need to update yourself. This was the case before, not anymore. And I can say that for sure because I was in the same situation as you with the expired H-1B visa but transited through those airports without any issue.
No transit visa required at all for AMS and CDG. CDG got rid of the rule in July 2018. See links below:
https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/travel ... ansit-visa - Click on the link of countries that require a transit visa. Exemptions are applicable only for countries on the list and India is not even on the list. So you are good there.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/i ... in-france/ - France has completely abolished the transit visa rule for Indians. I can vouch for that because I traveled through CDG in October 2018 with an expired H-1B visa with no problem.
https://www.germany-visa.org/airport-transit-visa/ - Germany states you can transit through FRA and MUC if you have a valid or expired visa issued by the US.
Hope this clears things for you.
pushpakvimaan wrote:Why AI need to look at A330 ?
acavpics wrote:Antarius wrote:edealinfo wrote:
Singapore Airlines Group has exhausted all its bilateral entitlements to Indian metros so that can’t do BLR to SIN. Tata’s Vistara can’t do it because they continue to be asleep at the wheels and won’t have any new aircraft coming in until June 2019, at which point it is too late. So, either SpiceJet, Indigo or Air India will go after that slot.
So far, the only airline that has managed to successfully expand rapidly has been 6E. SG damn nearly collapsed, AI is a perennial clown-show basket case and 9W is now gone.
Blindly rushing into things isnt a recipe for success.
SG's near collapse was in 2015, and since then, it has rebounded pretty darn fast and strong. They too have been expanding pretty fast, just not as fast as 6E. And even though AI is still in losses/debt, we've still seen them expand their route network and improve services during the last couple of years
lightsaber wrote:edealinfo wrote:Additional developments:
1. "Ministry of Finance has decided to waive a mandatory customs requirement, which needs Jet Airways' grounded planes in India to be first be sent to the country of registration of their lessors and then fly them back to India before they can be used by other carriers."
2. Air India Chairman met with SBI Chairman to discuss leasing 5 777W's . Air India Express may also take some 737s. In all, AI may take 10 to 12 of Jet's planes in the future. The 77Ws are intended to be operated on the following routes using "Jet's slots": Mumbai-London-Mumbai, Delhi-London-Delhi, Mumbai-Dubai-Mumbai, Delhi-Dubai-Delhi, Delhi-Singapore-Delhi" [I guess the Air India CEO isn't informed, as we are, that Jet already lost its London slots to Etihad and Virgin]. Shame on the Air India Chairman for not knowing this critical information.
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/co ... 38860.html
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 72015.html
Either EY is willing to lease slots to AI or something is off. Why does everyone seem to treat what Jet leased as theirs? Cest la vie.
Personally, I think some is grandstanding to get PR. Nothing wrong with that...
The customs rule is interesting... Silly, but interesting.
Lightsaber
edealinfo wrote:1. SpiceJet to bring in 50 planes (45 737s and 5 Q400) to go after BOM and DEL slots. They have totally outmaneuvered the competition by moving really, really fast.
2. AirAsia India, which was to induct seven planes during the current fiscal has decided to induct 14, five of them in July. [The previous plan was to bring in 7 aircraft]
3. Indigo to bring in 1 new plane every week.
4. Vistara to bring in 20 planes versus the previous plan of 12.
5. GoAir to bring in 10 planes versus the previous plan of 0.
6. Air India has a whopping 25 planes that are grounded for lack of spares! They hope to get some in the air in October 2019.
The link below also has a nice cool chart.
SUPERB ARTICLE FROM ECONOMIC TIMES: Kudos!
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 983278.cms
aemoreira1981 wrote:lightsaber wrote:edealinfo wrote:Additional developments:
1. "Ministry of Finance has decided to waive a mandatory customs requirement, which needs Jet Airways' grounded planes in India to be first be sent to the country of registration of their lessors and then fly them back to India before they can be used by other carriers."
2. Air India Chairman met with SBI Chairman to discuss leasing 5 777W's . Air India Express may also take some 737s. In all, AI may take 10 to 12 of Jet's planes in the future. The 77Ws are intended to be operated on the following routes using "Jet's slots": Mumbai-London-Mumbai, Delhi-London-Delhi, Mumbai-Dubai-Mumbai, Delhi-Dubai-Delhi, Delhi-Singapore-Delhi" [I guess the Air India CEO isn't informed, as we are, that Jet already lost its London slots to Etihad and Virgin]. Shame on the Air India Chairman for not knowing this critical information.
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/co ... 38860.html
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 72015.html
Either EY is willing to lease slots to AI or something is off. Why does everyone seem to treat what Jet leased as theirs? Cest la vie.
Personally, I think some is grandstanding to get PR. Nothing wrong with that...
The customs rule is interesting... Silly, but interesting.
Lightsaber
It might also be that the lessors want to make money and there is a need for capacity now. I wouldn't be surprised to see some 9W planes just have SpiceJet titles and registrations slapped on them if they can fly. As for the 777s, they would likely be on different routes as AI is 3-3-3 and 9W was 3-4-3.
CaliguyNYC wrote:So what is going on with the sale/investment process of Jet? Is it over? The banks asked for EOI and then the process goes silent. So odd.