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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:20 am

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VT-TGC - 39069 - 737-800 - Ex VT-JFZ - 4.8 : Acording to teh lonk below MSN 39069 is with SpiceJet not Visara. Please correct your list
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plan ... -39069.htm
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:54 am

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VT-TGC - 39069 - 737-800 - Ex VT-JFZ - 4.8 : Acording to teh lonk below MSN 39069 is with SpiceJet not Visara. Please correct your list
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plan ... -39069.htm


Edealinfo - thanks but airfleets have proven time and time again that it is not a reliable source of information. I previously had a different aircraft MSN for VT-TGC but I believe 39069 is the correct MSN and is in service with Vistara not Spicejet (and why would SpiceJet take an aircraft with a Vistara series registration)

From information that I have I am pretty confident I have this right - though open to be proven wrong at a later stage.

For Example - Airfleets shows two aircraft with the registration VT-SYO and VT-SYR in service presently with SpiceJet - which is obviously impossible.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:07 am

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For Example - Airfleets shows two aircraft with the registration VT-SYO and VT-SYR in service presently with SpiceJet - which is obviously impossible.

Those two reg. show as active with Spicejet and flying as per FR24.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:38 am

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UKFLYER26 wrote:
For Example - Airfleets shows two aircraft with the registration VT-SYO and VT-SYR in service presently with SpiceJet - which is obviously impossible.

Those two reg. show as active with Spicejet and flying as per FR24.


You have missed my point, maybe I should have made it clearer. It shows TWO aircraft with VT-SYO and TWO aircraft with VT-SYR on airfleets. I am fully aware that those are SpiceJet registrations.

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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:45 am

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You have missed my point, maybe I should have made it clearer. It shows TWO aircraft with VT-SYO and TWO aircraft with VT-SYR on airfleets. I am fully aware that those are SpiceJet registrations.

Yes, that would be incorrect. Planespotters is more accurate in that sense.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:56 am

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There is also a safety violation "probe" specifically at Spicejet. Now that there were safety incidents, they needed to place blame on SpiceGet so blame wouldn't fall on DGCA! That's how things are in India. Everything is in reverse. The probes shouldn't be post -fact but should precede the event!


How do you probe an incident before it takes place?


I didn't explain myself correctly, so my fault. What I meant is that one has to conduct the safety audits in order to prevent incidents. What is happening is that only after an incident occurs that the DGCA wake up and then find fault with the airline in order to shift blame from itself!

Our DGCA is utterly incompetent. No arguments there.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:01 am

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edealinfo wrote:
UKFLYER

VT-TGC - 39069 - 737-800 - Ex VT-JFZ - 4.8 : Acording to teh lonk below MSN 39069 is with SpiceJet not Visara. Please correct your list
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plan ... -39069.htm


Edealinfo - thanks but airfleets have proven time and time again that it is not a reliable source of information. I previously had a different aircraft MSN for VT-TGC but I believe 39069 is the correct MSN and is in service with Vistara not Spicejet (and why would SpiceJet take an aircraft with a Vistara series registration)

From information that I have I am pretty confident I have this right - though open to be proven wrong at a later stage.

For Example - Airfleets shows two aircraft with the registration VT-SYO and VT-SYR in service presently with SpiceJet - which is obviously impossible.


Ok, you know more in this area so go with what you deem best. But thanks for letting me know about airfleets as I had no idea.

Bottomline point is that it seems that SpiceJet has grabbed most of the 737-700 and 737-800 leaving no more (or not many anyway) for Vistara, which had previously only signed on for 10 ( or 11 ) 737-800 NGs in total.......... and which then subsequently expressed that they need more aircraft to meet the demand.

However, there are also available ex-Jet 737-900 NG. What are the dangers, if any, to get the, the 737-900 over the 737-NG, other than perhaps more seats on the plane and a higher lease rate for a larger aircraft? Couldn't Vistara use the 737-900 NG on its BOM routes where all airlines are limited by slots? Here are the ex-Jet 737 -900s based on UKFLYER's list. I am surprised that SpriceJet picked (so far) just 1. On the other hand, these aircraft (below) are all 10 years or older (some even over 15 years) so maybe Vistara ruled them out right off the bat.

737-900 (3/6)
of 3 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGC - 30412 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYL
VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored
VT-JLH - 35223 - Stored as OE-IDW
VT-JLJ - 35225 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBY - 35227 - Stored as OE-IDZ
VT-JBZ - 36539 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:47 am

edealinfo wrote:
UKFLYER26 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
UKFLYER

VT-TGC - 39069 - 737-800 - Ex VT-JFZ - 4.8 : Acording to teh lonk below MSN 39069 is with SpiceJet not Visara. Please correct your list
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plan ... -39069.htm


Edealinfo - thanks but airfleets have proven time and time again that it is not a reliable source of information. I previously had a different aircraft MSN for VT-TGC but I believe 39069 is the correct MSN and is in service with Vistara not Spicejet (and why would SpiceJet take an aircraft with a Vistara series registration)

From information that I have I am pretty confident I have this right - though open to be proven wrong at a later stage.

For Example - Airfleets shows two aircraft with the registration VT-SYO and VT-SYR in service presently with SpiceJet - which is obviously impossible.


Ok, you know more in this area so go with what you deem best. But thanks for letting me know about airfleets as I had no idea.

Bottomline point is that it seems that SpiceJet has grabbed most of the 737-700 and 737-800 leaving no more (or not many anyway) for Vistara, which had previously only signed on for 10 ( or 11 ) 737-800 NGs in total.......... and which then subsequently expressed that they need more aircraft to meet the demand.

However, there are also available ex-Jet 737-900 NG. What are the dangers, if any, to get the, the 737-900 over the 737-NG, other than perhaps more seats on the plane and a higher lease rate for a larger aircraft? Couldn't Vistara use the 737-900 NG on its BOM routes where all airlines are limited by slots? Here are the ex-Jet 737 -900s based on UKFLYER's list. I am surprised that SpriceJet picked (so far) just 1. On the other hand, these aircraft (below) are all 10 years or older (some even over 15 years) so maybe Vistara ruled them out right off the bat.

737-900 (3/6)
of 3 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGC - 30412 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYL
VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored
VT-JLH - 35223 - Stored as OE-IDW
VT-JLJ - 35225 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JBY - 35227 - Stored as OE-IDZ
VT-JBZ - 36539 - De-Reg Complete - Stored


No worries, I am surprised that more -900s haven’t been picked up by either carrier especially at the slot constricted airports. However they mostly older frames and I would say that for Vistara already having a small sub fleet of -800s will have already added a degree of complexity and cost to their operation, so to then also then have a smaller sub fleet of -900s may not be worth the costs from an operational point of view.

Two of the Jet -900s have now ferried to Lasham, UK. I will update the main fleet list later this evening.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:16 pm

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Two of the Jet -900s have now ferried to Lasham, UK. I will update the main fleet list later this evening.


Thanks. By the way, have to seen a trend.......as in if the aircraft is ferried to Europe, it is less likely to be placed with an Indian carrier?
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:20 pm

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If the Indian legal system is not to be trusted to keep to their agreements, it isn't the GoI who determines the rules. .


Actually, now the NCLAT will decide on the issue of de-registration, not the Government, nor the regular courts, not even the DGCA which is the "authority" for de-registrations. And on what basis will you think NCLAT will make its decision? The law? [Does India even have a law on it]. On DGCA rules ? [Oh, wait a minute, wasn't DGCA supposed to automatically de-register an aircraft in 5 days if all airport and fuel dues on the aircraft are already paid. But DGCA hasn't followed its own rules]. So, can you see the rigmarole here?

Basically, NCLAT will decide not based on any laws or rules because if that is the case a decision would already have been made by the authority responsible for making the decision. Instead NCLAT will decide based on its own opinion on what is "good or bad" -- a simplistic view of settling things as it was done since 200 BC.

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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:30 pm

Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 6

Not much movement, a few unconfirmed placements which should be clearer in the next few days.

Broken down into fleet type and ordered by MSN

737-700 (4/4)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 4 currently placed

VT-JGX - 34805 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYT
VT-JGY - 34806 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYU
VT-SIZ - 33025 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYO
VT-SJA - 33026 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYP

737-800 (67/72)
of 67 re-registered aircraft, 44 currently placed

VT-JGF - 29639 - To Jet2 as G-DRTI
VT-JGG - 29668 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZD
VT-JTC - 29685 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYM
VT-JGA - 30410 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYK
VT-JTD - 30734 - To FlyBondi as LV-HKN
VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored as OE-IBT
VT-JGK - 32579 - For Cargo Converstion - Ferried Jinan - Stored as N542RL
VT-JGE - 32663 - Cargo Converstation - To Primeair as N5167A
VT-JLE - 33555 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYI
VT-JLF - 33556 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYJ
VT-SJI - 34399 - To SpiceJet as VT-SXB
VT-SJJ - 34400 - Stored as 2-TWCB - Placed with Unidentified Indian Airline as VT-XXX
VT-JGQ - 34797 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYF
VT-JGP - 34798 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYG
VT-JGR - 34799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYA
VT-JGS - 34800 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYB
VT-JGT - 34801 - Stored as M-ABLZ
VT-JGU - 34802 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JGV - 34803 - Stored as 2-RLBJ
VT-JGW - 34804 - To SpiceJet as VT-SXA
VT-JBF - 35082 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYC
VT-JBG - 35083 - Stored (Owned A/C - Still Registered to Jet Airways)
VT-JBD - 35099 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYD
VT-JBE - 35106 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYE
VT-JBG - 35289 - Stored as OE-IBS - Ferried Addis Ababa (assuming EIS with Ethiopian?)
VT-JBL - 35651 - Stored (Owned A/C - Still Registered to Jet Airways)
VT-JBK - 36551 - Stored as N551AG - Ferried Chicago Rockford
VT-JBK - 36553 - Stored as N553CG
VT-JBQ - 36694 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYW
VT-JBR - 36695 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYX
VT-JBS - 36698 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYY
VT-JTF - 36813 - Stored as 2-VTJF - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JTG - 36815 - Stored as 2-VTJG - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JBM - 36817 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBV
VT-JBN - 36818 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBW
VT-JBP - 36819 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBY
VT-JBU - 36825 - Stored as 2-STND
VT-JBV - 36827 - Stored as 2-CHTR
VT-JBB - 36846 - Stored as N846AG- Ferried Chicago Rockford
VT-JBC - 36847 - Stored as N847AG
VT-JTE - 37743 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZE
VT-JTL - 37745 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZF
VT-JTM - 37746 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZG
VT-JBW - 37960 - To Vistara as VT-TGD
VT-JBX - 37961 - To MIAT Mongolian Airlines as JU-1088
VT-JFA - 38029 - To GOL Brazil as PR-XXX - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFC - 38030 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFD - 39051 - To Ethiopian Airlines as ET-AXO (Unconfirmed)
VT-JFE - 39053 - To Vistara as VT-TGA
VT-JFF - 39055 - Stored
VT-JFG - 39057 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYQ
VT-JFH - 39058 - To Vistara as VT-TGB
VT-JFJ - 39059 - Stored as 2-TJFJ
VT-JFK - 39060 - Stored as 2-TJFK- Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFL - 39061 - To Vistara as VT-TGE
VT-JFN - 39062 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYR
VT-JFQ - 39063 - Stored as 2-TJFQ - To SmartAvia/Nordavia as VQ-XXX
VT-JFR - 39064 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYS
VT-JFS - 39065 - Stored as M-ABLY - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFT - 39066 - Stored as M-ALBX - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFM - 39067 - Stored as 2-TJFM
VT-JFP - 39068 - Stored as 2-TJFP - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFZ - 39069 - To Vistara as VT-TGC
VT-JTB - 39070 - Stored as 2-BTTC - Ferried Woensdrecht
VT-JFB - 39401 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTH - 40233 - Stored as 2-TJTH - Ferried Amman
VT-JTK - 40235 - Stored as 2-TJTK
VT-JTN - 40236 - Stored as 2-TJTN - Ferried Amman
VT-JFW - 42799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYH
VT-JFX - 42800 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZH
VT-JFY - 42804 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYN
VT-JTA - 42805 - To Vistata as VT-TGF

737-900 (4/6)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGC - 30412 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYL
VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored (Still Registered to Jet Airways)
VT-JLH - 35223 - Stored as OE-IDW - Ferried Lasham, UK
VT-JLJ - 35225 - Stored as OE-IDX
VT-JBY - 35227 - Stored as OE-IDZ - Ferried Lasham, UK
VT-JBZ - 36539 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-Max 8 (5/8)
of 5 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JXD - 43558 - Stored as 2-JXDW
VT-JXF - 43615 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXA - 44861 - Stored as 2-JXAX
VT-JXC - 44862 - Stored as 2-JXCY
VT-JXE - 44863 - Stored as 2-JXEE
VT-JXG - 44864 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXH - 43616 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXB - 60703 - Stored as 2-JXBZ

777-300 (4/10)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JET - 35157 - Stored
VT-JEV - 35158 - Stored
VT-JES - 35159 - Stored
VT-JEU - 35160 - Stored
VT-JEQ - 35161 - Stored as OE-IIJ
VT-JEM - 35162 - Stored
VT-JEX- 35163 - Stored as 2-TJEX
VT-JEW - 35164 - Stored - Impounded Amsterdam
VT-JEK - 35165 - Stored as 2-JEKA
VT-JEH - 35166 - Stored as 2-TJEH

330-200 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JWW - 888 - Stored
VT-JWV - 923 - Stored
VT-JWP - 947 - Stored as 2-ACUA - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWQ - 956 - Stored as 2-ACUB - Ferried Madrid Barjas

330-300 (4/4)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JRW - 1351 - Stored as 2-VJWR
VT-JWS - 1361 - Stored as M-ABLV - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWT - 1370 - Stored as M-ABLW - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWU - 1391 - Stored as 2-VJWU

ATR 72 Fleet (18/18)
of 18 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JDD - 758 - Stored as M-IBAD
VT-JCJ - 771 - Stored as M-ABMB
VT-JDC - 772 - Stored as M-IBAC
VT-JCK - 775 - Stored as M-ABMH
VT-JCL - 791 - Stored as M-ABMC
VT-JCM - 793 - Stored as M-ABMD
VT-JCN - 825 - Stored as M-ABME
VT-JCP - 841 - Stored as M-ABMF
VT-JCQ - 843 - Stored as M-ABMG
VT-JCR - 919 - Stored as M-IBAM
VT-JCS - 920 - Stored as M-IBAN
VT-JCT - 924 - Stored as M-IBAO
VT-JCU - 928 - Stored as M-IBAP
VT-JCV - 932 - Stored as M-IBAQ
VT-JCW - 933 - Stored as M-IBAR
VT-JCX - 1056 - Stored as EI-GIV - Ferried Sonderborg
VT-JCY - 1064 - Stored as EI-GIW - Ferried Sonderborg
VT-JCZ - 1075 - Stored as EI-GIX - Ferried Sonderborg

Changes in this update:

737-700 - No Changes From Update 5
737-800 - Various updates to de-registrations, re-registrations and placed aircraft, ferry flights and corrections.
737-8 - No Changes From Update 5
737-900 - 1 Additional de-registration and ferry flights
777-300 - no changes from update 5
330-200 - no changes from update 5
330-300 - no changes from update 5
ATR 72s - Final aircraft re-registered

Thanks,

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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:38 pm

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Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 6

UKFLYER26


Wow, SpiceJet lapped up all the 737-700s.
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:43 pm

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Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 6

737-900 (4/6)

VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored (Still Registered to Jet Airways)



I assume this aircraft is owned by Jet Airways. If not, the lessor should go to "IQ Jail" for letting it get caught in India's notorious legal process.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:45 pm

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UKFLYER26 wrote:
Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 6

737-900 (4/6)

VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored (Still Registered to Jet Airways)



I assume this aircraft is owned by Jet Airways. If not, the lessor should go to "IQ Jail" for letting it get caught in India's notorious legal process.

If India really makes it difficult, they will find the cost to the whole economy very high.

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Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:51 pm

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If the Indian legal system is not to be trusted to keep to their agreements, it isn't the GoI who determines the rules. .


Actually, now the NCLAT will decide on the issue of de-registration, not the Government, nor the regular courts, not even the DGCA which is the "authority" for de-registrations. And on what basis will you think NCLAT will make its decision? The law? [Does India even have a law on it]. On DGCA rules ? [Oh, wait a minute, wasn't DGCA supposed to automatically de-register an aircraft in 5 days if all airport and fuel dues on the aircraft are already paid. But DGCA hasn't followed its own rules]. So, can you see the rigmarole here?

Basically, NCLAT will decide not based on any laws or rules because if that is the case a decision would already have been made by the authority responsible for making the decision. Instead NCLAT will decide based on its own opinion on what is "good or bad" -- a simplistic view of settling things as it was done since 200 BC.

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 23406.html



I'm referring as to how business prices in risk plus a profit. I approve of courts ruling on their jurisdiction laws. The issue is this means India is in violation of international agreements and now finance companies must price in the risk.

If you read "The world is flat" you will realize that this does no favor to the Indian economy.

Best if aircraft and ships are treated as the international assets they are.

Because of high fuel taxes, Indian airlines benefit more from new technology. This could make it so only those airlines that can pay the highest down payment or secure import/export or EU backed financing will be able to afford new.

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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:48 pm

edealinfo wrote:
UKFLYER26 wrote:
Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 6

737-900 (4/6)

VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored (Still Registered to Jet Airways)



I assume this aircraft is owned by Jet Airways. If not, the lessor should go to "IQ Jail" for letting it get caught in India's notorious legal process.


Jet only own two 737 aircraft, both -800s as indicated on the list. This aircraft has just not been de-registered by the Lessor, and with the current situation they may find this difficult for a while.
 
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I'm referring as to how business prices in risk plus a profit. I approve of courts ruling on their jurisdiction laws. The issue is this means India is in violation of international agreements and now finance companies must price in the risk.

If you read "The world is flat" you will realize that this does no favor to the Indian economy.

Best if aircraft and ships are treated as the international assets they are.

Because of high fuel taxes, Indian airlines benefit more from new technology. This could make it so only those airlines that can pay the highest down payment or secure import/export or EU backed financing will be able to afford new.

Lightsaber



Unfortunately, the NCLAT just gave "the World is Flat" the finger......and denied permission to the NCLAT to de-register the aircraft.

What did I say about the India legal system? As I warned over and over again on these forums, lessors had to de-register their aircraft and get it out of India ASAP (at that point in time). I also said that Vinod Dube needed to get out of India. Now guess what -- both are trapped in India. India is the new Wild Wild West (WWW)!

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I just learnt that since IBC is a law ratified by the parliament and the Cape Town Treaty bill is yet to be passed as a law, the former will take precedence in case of conflict between the two. Tough luck lessors.
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737-900 (4/6)

VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored (Still Registered to Jet Airways)



On further research, I found that The above referenced aircraft sustained substantial damage and I am speculating that perhaps because of a pending insurance claim it wasn’t deregistered.

“Jet Airways flight 9W354 was involved in an accident after landing at Mumbai-Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport, India.
The aircraft landed safely on runway 27 and was about to vacate the runway via taxiway N9 when the right main landing gear collapsed. There were no injuries to any person onboard the aircraft. The aircraft sustained substantial damage.”

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20160303-1
 
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I just learnt that since IBC is a law ratified by the parliament and the Cape Town Treaty bill is yet to be passed as a law, the former will take precedence in case of conflict between the two. Tough luck lessors.

Ouch. They will write future leases accordingly. They will also review how secured other loans really are in India. Not good for the Indian economy.

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GoAir announces new international flights from Kannur, and Mumbai, TO Abu Dhabi

I wonder if GoAir is positioning themselves for a partnership with Etihad just as SpiceJet has with Emirates. If so, they have a long way to go of connecting ABU to India the way Jet Airways did. If I recall correctly, I believe Jet had 11 daily flights from India to ABU.

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I just learnt that since IBC is a law ratified by the parliament and the Cape Town Treaty bill is yet to be passed as a law, the former will take precedence in case of conflict between the two. Tough luck lessors.

Ouch. They will write future leases accordingly. They will also review how secured other loans really are in India. Not good for the Indian economy.

Global financiers quickly suffer from amnesia.

80c in the dollar or more can been written off, and then a year later the same financiers are funding the same shareholder/s and entities. Ultimately small/medium businesses and residential borrowers fund these write offs through fatter margins and fees.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:32 pm

I’m not worried about airline leases. Those companies make good money in india because Indian carriers sale and lease back (due to high working capital costs in india). If interest rates in the west are at 3% and 12% in india and lease cos get 6% from Indian airlines it can still be a win win for both (note this is just an illustration not actual numbers)
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:57 pm

UKFLYER26 wrote:
Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 6

UKFLYER26



>>>>>VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored as OE-IBT
Maybe you should mark this as going to an Austrian airline otherwise why it have the "OB" pre-fix ( https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ave-parent )


>>>VT-SJJ - 34400 - Stored as 2-TWCB - Placed with Unidentified Indian Airline as VT-XXX
Maybe you should mark this as going to SpiceJet (see the link below on the history of the aircraft) which would make sense since it is 13+ years old and Vistara probably wouldn't touch it
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... t/X1J9F4rj
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:18 pm

Additional Air India flights announced to Dubai

Air India will launch its new flights from Hyderabad, Kozhikode (Calicut), Kochi and the newly opened Kannur. These services will be in addition to the airline’s existing flights to Dubai from these cities, except for Kannur.

It has already launched two additional frequencies each to Dubai from Delhi and Mumbai and announced new Dubai flights from Kolkota and Indore, Madhya Pradesh, to be launched soon.


https://www.arabianbusiness.com/travel- ... s-to-dubai
 
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edealinfo wrote:
Additional Air India flights announced to Dubai

Air India will launch its new flights from Hyderabad, Kozhikode (Calicut), Kochi and the newly opened Kannur. These services will be in addition to the airline’s existing flights to Dubai from these cities, except for Kannur.


AI already has flights from DXB to all the cities you mentioned, except Kannur.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:35 pm

acavpics wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Additional Air India flights announced to Dubai

Air India will launch its new flights from Hyderabad, Kozhikode (Calicut), Kochi and the newly opened Kannur. These services will be in addition to the airline’s existing flights to Dubai from these cities, except for Kannur.


AI already has flights from DXB to all the cities you mentioned, except Kannur.


yes but they probably mean they are adding frequencies on those routes because the report clearly said that they will be using currently grounded aircraft and then fixing them to subsequently start the additional flights.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:48 pm

Does EK have room in the bilateral to add a wide body flight to Calicut? I thought it was maxed out from the DXB side. Or are they expected to move one of their other flights to CCJ?
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:33 pm

VTORD wrote:
Does EK have room in the bilateral to add a wide body flight to Calicut? I thought it was maxed out from the DXB side. Or are they expected to move one of their other flights to CCJ?
No more room. They will have to shift an EK/FZ frequency from elsewhere.
 
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VTORD wrote:
Does EK have room in the bilateral to add a wide body flight to Calicut? I thought it was maxed out from the DXB side. Or are they expected to move one of their other flights to CCJ?
No more room. They will have to shift an EK/FZ frequency from elsewhere.

Or gain an Indian partner.

What are fares like now for longhaul out of India? Did they recede or are they still elevated for International travel? I haven't seen articles since two months ago that were sensational "airfares going through the roof!" That said, much of the capacity hasn't been filled. So I would expect international fares to be higher than before. Is there a source to determine the trend?

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Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:26 pm

CPS001 wrote:
VTORD wrote:
Does EK have room in the bilateral to add a wide body flight to Calicut? I thought it was maxed out from the DXB side. Or are they expected to move one of their other flights to CCJ?
No more room. They will have to shift an EK/FZ frequency from elsewhere.


But EK used to do DXB-CCJ up to 2x daily until mid-2015. EK cut the route all because of the runway work being done at CCJ (Which did not permit widebody service). Why is the bilateral preventing them from adding routes that were previously there?
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:43 pm

Airbus A330 -302 1391 2-VJWU GECAS ferried 06jul19 DEL-LDE ex VT-JWU
Boeing 737 -8AL 39051 4205 ET-AXO Ethiopian Airlines delivery 05jul19 SNN-ADD ex 2-JFDA
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:45 pm

>>>>>VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored as OE-IBT
Maybe you should mark this as going to an Austrian airline otherwise why it have the "OB" pre-fix ( https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ave-parent )

Just because it’s been placed on the Austrian register doesn’t mean it’s going to an Austrian carrier - it is most likely a flag of convenience like the Guernsey 2- registered aircraft and the aircraft that have been placed on the N register. A number of ex- Jet aircraft have been placed on the Austrian register, and will ultimately find homes elsewhere.

>>>VT-SJJ - 34400 - Stored as 2-TWCB - Placed with Unidentified Indian Airline as VT-XXX
Maybe you should mark this as going to SpiceJet (see the link below on the history of the aircraft) which would make sense since it is 13+ years old and Vistara probably wouldn't touch it
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... t/X1J9F4rj

I agree this a/c was always destined for SpiceJet but until recently wasn’t confirmed officially. Will be updated in my next update.

Thanks,

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Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:20 pm

UKFLYER26 wrote:
>>>>>VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored as OE-IBT
Maybe you should mark this as going to an Austrian airline otherwise why it have the "OB" pre-fix ( https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ave-parent )

Just because it’s been placed on the Austrian register doesn’t mean it’s going to an Austrian carrier - it is most likely a flag of convenience like the Guernsey 2- registered aircraft and the aircraft that have been placed on the N register. A number of ex- Jet aircraft have been placed on the Austrian register, and will ultimately find homes elsewhere.

UKFLYER26


Aaah, you know far more than I do and many thanks for clarifying.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:11 pm

Court requires 18,000 crores from Naresh Goyal before he can travel overseas.

It is stupid decisions like these that will allow Vijay Mallya to contest the extradition to India on grounds that he could never get a fair trial in India.

Note that in denying Goyal’s request to fly, the court didn’t even bother to hear the Government’s side. Since when do courts make decisions hearing only 1 side????


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 62326.html
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:16 pm

Court requires 18,000 crores from Naresh Goyal before he can travel overseas.

It is stupid decisions like these that will allow Vijay Mallya to contest the extradition to India on grounds that he could never get a fair trial in India.

Note that in denying Goyal’s request to fly, the court didn’t even bother to hear the Government’s side. Since when do courts make decisions hearing only 1 side???? And how did they arrive at 18,000 crore as NG’s potentially responsibility? The Government did say he is responsible for that amount...apparently the court decided on its own. Regardless of NG’s level of responsibility in Jet’s collapse, the court’s approach indicates that there is a zero chance he will ever get a fair trial


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 62326.html[/quote]
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:12 am

It is called Bank Gurantee.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:48 am

Seems like 2 aircraft's are in Tallinn, Estonia for maintenance.
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 2232425472
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:37 am

Presumably the reference to an 8 year check means built in 2011.

Should narrow it down.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:53 am

From local FB spotters group, one should be 2-STND. At least it was recently spotted in Tallinn.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:43 pm

vadodara wrote:
It is called Bank Gurantee.

Since when did an individual give a bank guarantee of 18,000 crore ever in India? That’s like asking for pigs to fly. Imposing impossible conditions just demonstrates that the request is a joke. I stand by my statement that the court has predetermined the guilty without hearing any evidence from the Government’s side. Remember, there aren’t even formal charges as yet filed in a court of law against Mr. Goyal.

Vijay Mallya must be laughing all the way to the bank. The court’s demand of 18,000 crore against Naresh without even hearing the Government’s side, will likely convince the UK courts of how courts make decisions in India and that the outcome of Mallya ‘s case in India is already predecicided. So, he will never get a fair trial.

What will bother the UK court is that Indian law is derived from British law and it will perturb them how much it has been twisted.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:58 pm

By the way, the Government supposedly ordered the Serious Fraud Investigation Office (SFIO) to investigate Indigo. Now will Indigo’s promoters also be barred from traveling abroad? Likely not. But in India, aren’t all persons supposed to be treated equally under the eyes of the law, or is that only on paper? note that the SFIO is investigating both Jet and Indigo.
 
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:59 pm

Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 7

Broken down into fleet type and ordered by MSN

737-700 (4/4)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 4 currently placed

VT-JGX - 34805 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYT
VT-JGY - 34806 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYU
VT-SIZ - 33025 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYO
VT-SJA - 33026 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYP

737-800 (67/72)
of 67 re-registered aircraft, 44 currently placed

VT-JGF - 29639 - To Jet2 as G-DRTI
VT-JGG - 29668 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZD
VT-JTC - 29685 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYM
VT-JGA - 30410 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYK
VT-JTD - 30734 - To FlyBondi as LV-HKN
VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored as OE-IBT
VT-JGK - 32579 - For Cargo Converstion - Ferried Jinan - Stored as N542RL
VT-JGE - 32663 - Cargo Converstation - To Primeair as N5167A
VT-JLE - 33555 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYI
VT-JLF - 33556 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYJ
VT-SJI - 34399 - To SpiceJet as VT-SXB
VT-SJJ - 34400 - To SpiceJet as VT-SXC
VT-JGQ - 34797 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYF
VT-JGP - 34798 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYG
VT-JGR - 34799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYA
VT-JGS - 34800 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYB
VT-JGT - 34801 - Stored as M-ABLZ
VT-JGU - 34802 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JGV - 34803 - Stored as 2-RLBJ
VT-JGW - 34804 - To SpiceJet as VT-SXA
VT-JBF - 35082 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYC
VT-JBG - 35083 - Stored (Owned A/C - Still Registered to Jet Airways)
VT-JBD - 35099 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYD
VT-JBE - 35106 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYE
VT-JBG - 35289 - Stored as OE-IBS - Ferried Addis Ababa (assuming EIS with Ethiopian?)
VT-JBL - 35651 - Stored (Owned A/C - Still Registered to Jet Airways)
VT-JBJ - 36551 - Stored as N551AG - Ferried Chicago Rockford
VT-JBK - 36553 - Stored as N553CG - Most likely ferry Chicago Rockford
VT-JBQ - 36694 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYW
VT-JBR - 36695 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYX
VT-JBS - 36698 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYY
VT-JTF - 36813 - Stored as 2-VTJF - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JTG - 36815 - Stored as 2-VTJG - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JBM - 36817 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBV
VT-JBN - 36818 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBW
VT-JBP - 36819 - To Smartavia as VQ-BBY
VT-JBU - 36825 - Stored as 2-STND - Ferried Tallinn
VT-JBV - 36827 - Stored as 2-CHTR
VT-JBB - 36846 - Stored as N846AG- Ferried Chicago Rockford
VT-JBC - 36847 - Stored as N847AG - Most likely ferry Chicago Rockford
VT-JTE - 37743 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZE
VT-JTL - 37745 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZF
VT-JTM - 37746 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZG
VT-JBW - 37960 - To Vistara as VT-TGD
VT-JBX - 37961 - To MIAT Mongolian Airlines as JU-1088
VT-JFA - 38029 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZI
VT-JFC - 38030 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFD - 39051 - To Ethiopian Airlines as ET-AXO
VT-JFE - 39053 - To Vistara as VT-TGA
VT-JFF - 39055 - Stored
VT-JFG - 39057 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYQ
VT-JFH - 39058 - To Vistara as VT-TGB
VT-JFJ - 39059 - Stored as 2-TJFJ
VT-JFK - 39060 - Stored as 2-TJFK- Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFL - 39061 - To Vistara as VT-TGE
VT-JFN - 39062 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYR
VT-JFQ - 39063 - Stored as 2-TJFQ - To SmartAvia/Nordavia as VQ-XXX
VT-JFR - 39064 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYS
VT-JFS - 39065 - Stored as M-ABLY - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFT - 39066 - Stored as M-ALBX - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFM - 39067 - Stored as 2-TJFM
VT-JFP - 39068 - Stored as 2-TJFP - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFZ - 39069 - To Vistara as VT-TGC
VT-JTB - 39070 - Stored as 2-BTTC - Ferried Woensdrecht
VT-JFB - 39401 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTH - 40233 - Stored as 2-TJTH - Ferried Amman
VT-JTK - 40235 - Stored as 2-TJTK - Most likely ferry to Amman
VT-JTN - 40236 - Stored as 2-TJTN - Ferried Amman
VT-JFW - 42799 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYH
VT-JFX - 42800 - To GOL Brazil as PR-GZH
VT-JFY - 42804 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYN
VT-JTA - 42805 - To Vistara as VT-TGF

737-900 (4/6)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 1 currently placed

VT-JGC - 30412 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYL
VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored (Still Registered to Jet Airways)
VT-JLH - 35223 - Stored as OE-IDW - Ferried Lasham, UK
VT-JLJ - 35225 - Stored as OE-IDX
VT-JBY - 35227 - Stored as OE-IDZ - Ferried Lasham, UK
VT-JBZ - 36539 - De-Reg Complete - Stored

737-Max 8 (5/8)
of 5 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JXD - 43558 - Stored as 2-JXDW
VT-JXF - 43615 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXA - 44861 - Stored as 2-JXAX
VT-JXC - 44862 - Stored as 2-JXCY
VT-JXE - 44863 - Stored as 2-JXEE
VT-JXG - 44864 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXH - 43616 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JXB - 60703 - Stored as 2-JXBZ

777-300 (4/10)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JET - 35157 - Stored
VT-JEV - 35158 - Stored
VT-JES - 35159 - Stored
VT-JEU - 35160 - Stored
VT-JEQ - 35161 - Stored as OE-IIJ
VT-JEM - 35162 - Stored
VT-JEX- 35163 - Stored as 2-TJEX
VT-JEW - 35164 - Stored - Impounded Amsterdam
VT-JEK - 35165 - Stored as 2-JEKA
VT-JEH - 35166 - Stored as 2-TJEH

330-200 (2/4)
of 2 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JWW - 888 - Stored
VT-JWV - 923 - Stored
VT-JWP - 947 - Stored as 2-ACUA - Ferried Tarbes-Loudes
VT-JWQ - 956 - Stored as 2-ACUB - Ferried Madrid Barjas

330-300 (4/4)
of 4 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JRW - 1351 - Stored as 2-VJWR - Ferried Tarbes/Lourdes
VT-JWS - 1361 - Stored as M-ABLV - Ferried Tarbes-Lourdes
VT-JWT - 1370 - Stored as M-ABLW - Ferried Tarbes-Lourdes
VT-JWU - 1391 - Stored as 2-VJWU - Ferried Tarbes-Lourdes

ATR 72 Fleet (18/18)
of 18 re-registered aircraft, 0 currently placed

VT-JDD - 758 - Stored as M-IBAD
VT-JCJ - 771 - Stored as M-ABMB
VT-JDC - 772 - Stored as M-IBAC
VT-JCK - 775 - Stored as M-ABMH
VT-JCL - 791 - Stored as M-ABMC
VT-JCM - 793 - Stored as M-ABMD
VT-JCN - 825 - Stored as M-ABME
VT-JCP - 841 - Stored as M-ABMF
VT-JCQ - 843 - Stored as M-ABMG
VT-JCR - 919 - Stored as M-IBAM
VT-JCS - 920 - Stored as M-IBAN
VT-JCT - 924 - Stored as M-IBAO
VT-JCU - 928 - Stored as M-IBAP
VT-JCV - 932 - Stored as M-IBAQ
VT-JCW - 933 - Stored as M-IBAR
VT-JCX - 1056 - Stored as EI-GIV - Ferried Sonderborg
VT-JCY - 1064 - Stored as EI-GIW - Ferried Sonderborg
VT-JCZ - 1075 - Stored as EI-GIX - Ferried Sonderborg

Changes in this update:

737-700 - No Changes From Update 6
737-800 - Previously “Unknown/Unconfirmed” now placed with known carriers, Stage locations and likely Ferry Flights.
737-8 - No Changes From Update 6
737-900 - No Changes from Update 6
777-300 - No Changes from Update 6
330-200 - New Storage Locations
330-300 - New Storage Locations
ATR 72s - No Changes from Update 6

Thanks,

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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:38 pm

edealinfo wrote:
By the way, the Government supposedly ordered the Serious Fraud Investigation Office (SFIO) to investigate Indigo. Now will Indigo’s promoters also be barred from traveling abroad? Likely not. But in India, aren’t all persons supposed to be treated equally under the eyes of the law, or is that only on paper? note that the SFIO is investigating both Jet and Indigo.


Didn't see a single news article about Indigo being investigated . Can you please share more details?
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:51 pm

binayak wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
By the way, the Government supposedly ordered the Serious Fraud Investigation Office (SFIO) to investigate Indigo. Now will Indigo’s promoters also be barred from traveling abroad? Likely not. But in India, aren’t all persons supposed to be treated equally under the eyes of the law, or is that only on paper? note that the SFIO is investigating both Jet and Indigo.


Didn't see a single news article about Indigo being investigated . Can you please share more details?

Will have to look for it once I get home but I definitely did see it. One promoter sent a letter to a whole bunch of authorities and one ordered the SFIO investigation. I mean, have could they have not? Otherwise they would be accused of ignoring evidence that was stuck in their face.at least in this sense they are acting as they should even if the intent is just to ensure that their butts are covered by ordering the probe.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:24 am

SEBI is investigating alleged corporate governance lapses at IndiGo. I don't think SFIO is involved here.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:16 am

unrave wrote:
SEBI is investigating alleged corporate governance lapses at IndiGo. I don't think SFIO is involved here.

binayak wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
By the way, the Government supposedly ordered the Serious Fraud Investigation Office (SFIO) to investigate Indigo. Now will Indigo’s promoters also be barred from traveling abroad? Likely not. But in India, aren’t all persons supposed to be treated equally under the eyes of the law, or is that only on paper? note that the SFIO is investigating both Jet and Indigo.


Didn't see a single news article about Indigo being investigated . Can you please share more details?


I apologize as I made a mistake.....I zoomed through an article in which there were 2 paragraphs which confused me

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 382_1.html

"Shares of IndiGo, India’s largest airline, was trading 11 per cent lower at Rs 1,386, after falling 18 per cent to Rs 1,291 on the BSE in early morning deals on Wednesday. The promoters of the company, Rahul Bhatia and Rakesh Gangwal, made serious allegations against each other, forcing the Securities and Exchange Board of India (Sebi) to intervene.

Shares of Jet Airways (India) were locked in 5 per cent lower circuit at Rs 54 for the sixth straight day on the BSE on report that the government has ordered Serious Fraud Investigation Office (SFIO) probe against the grounded airline."
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:26 am

UKFLYER26 wrote:

VT-JGJ - 32578 - Stored as OE-IBT
VT-JGT - 34801 - Stored as M-ABLZ
VT-JGU - 34802 - Stored as M-ABMA
VT-JGV - 34803 - Stored as 2-RLBJ
VT-JBJ - 36551 - Stored as N551AG - Ferried Chicago Rockford
VT-JBK - 36553 - Stored as N553CG - Most likely ferry Chicago Rockford
VT-JTF - 36813 - Stored as 2-VTJF - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JTG - 36815 - Stored as 2-VTJG - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JBU - 36825 - Stored as 2-STND - Ferried Tallinn
VT-JBV - 36827 - Stored as 2-CHTR
VT-JBB - 36846 - Stored as N846AG- Ferried Chicago Rockford
VT-JBC - 36847 - Stored as N847AG - Most likely ferry Chicago Rockford
VT-JFC - 38030 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JFF - 39055 - Stored
VT-JFJ - 39059 - Stored as 2-TJFJ
VT-JFK - 39060 - Stored as 2-TJFK- Ferried Ostrava
VT-JFS - 39065 - Stored as M-ABLY - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFT - 39066 - Stored as M-ALBX - Ferried Nagpur
VT-JFM - 39067 - Stored as 2-TJFM
VT-JFP - 39068 - Stored as 2-TJFP - Ferried Ostrava
VT-JTB - 39070 - Stored as 2-BTTC - Ferried Woensdrecht
VT-JFB - 39401 - De-Reg Complete - Stored
VT-JTH - 40233 - Stored as 2-TJTH - Ferried Amman
VT-JTK - 40235 - Stored as 2-TJTK - Most likely ferry to Amman
VT-JTN - 40236 - Stored as 2-TJTN - Ferried Amman

UKFLYER26


Looks like there are still a whopping twenty-five 737-800s up for grabs of which we know another 4 or 5 will go to Vistara, and several more to SpiceJet.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:40 am

lightsaber wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
UKFLYER26 wrote:
Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet)

Update 6

737-900 (4/6)

VT-JGD - 33740 - Stored (Still Registered to Jet Airways)



I assume this aircraft is owned by Jet Airways. If not, the lessor should go to "IQ Jail" for letting it get caught in India's notorious legal process.

If India really makes it difficult, they will find the cost to the whole economy very high.

Lightsaber

Could you elaborate on your comment?
How would this impact the 2.5 trillion usd Indian economy ?
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:33 pm

So what is going on with the bankruptcy proceedings? I haven't seen any new news. I feel like they should expedite. The sooner other airlines get certainty that they are keeping Jet's former slots / routes the better.

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