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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:09 am

airboss787 wrote:
Looking at the quick re-allocation of most 737s in Jet's fleet, I would assume Jet had very good record keeping of the maintenance records of each aircraft since it seems even international airlines are quickly absorbing these planes.


From a source I have at one airline... No.

They took delivery of an ex-Jet 737 and have basically had to strip it back because the book doesn't match reality!
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:21 am

pdp wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
Looking at the quick re-allocation of most 737s in Jet's fleet, I would assume Jet had very good record keeping of the maintenance records of each aircraft since it seems even international airlines are quickly absorbing these planes.


From a source I have at one airline... No.

They took delivery of an ex-Jet 737 and have basically had to strip it back because the book doesn't match reality!


Interesting, so they want the aircraft knowing they have to spend money on getting it upto speed. And even then it is worth it for them compared to finding other sources for their needs.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:52 am

I expect that the MAX situation is a major factor.
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:16 am

airboss787 wrote:
pdp wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
Looking at the quick re-allocation of most 737s in Jet's fleet, I would assume Jet had very good record keeping of the maintenance records of each aircraft since it seems even international airlines are quickly absorbing these planes.


From a source I have at one airline... No.

They took delivery of an ex-Jet 737 and have basically had to strip it back because the book doesn't match reality!


Interesting, so they want the aircraft knowing they have to spend money on getting it upto speed. And even then it is worth it for them compared to finding other sources for their needs.


I think it was more of an "oh sh*t" moment when they started doing the refurb to their specs!
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:42 am

airboss787 wrote:
pdp wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
Looking at the quick re-allocation of most 737s in Jet's fleet, I would assume Jet had very good record keeping of the maintenance records of each aircraft since it seems even international airlines are quickly absorbing these planes.


From a source I have at one airline... No.

They took delivery of an ex-Jet 737 and have basically had to strip it back because the book doesn't match reality!


Interesting, so they want the aircraft knowing they have to spend money on getting it upto speed. And even then it is worth it for them compared to finding other sources for their needs.


Shortage of frames, following MAX grounding, reduces available choice.

The cost to do a "bridging check", or whatever this refurbishing is called, is inevitable anyway -- unless the plane is to be scrapped. I would gather, there must be an arrangement between leasing company and lessee -- who would eat this extra cost -- of bringing a frame, repossessed from a collapsing operator, back to speed.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:30 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
pdp wrote:

From a source I have at one airline... No.

They took delivery of an ex-Jet 737 and have basically had to strip it back because the book doesn't match reality!


Interesting, so they want the aircraft knowing they have to spend money on getting it upto speed. And even then it is worth it for them compared to finding other sources for their needs.


Shortage of frames, following MAX grounding, reduces available choice.

The cost to do a "bridging check", or whatever this refurbishing is called, is inevitable anyway -- unless the plane is to be scrapped. I would gather, there must be an arrangement between leasing company and lessee -- who would eat this extra cost -- of bringing a frame, repossessed from a collapsing operator, back to speed.

This is like buying a house. I agree to pay X unless more than Y of repairs is found in the inspection. The issue is this inspection costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, so much is found later.

The Jet Airways 737s were not well maintained. Because of the MAX situation, the leasing companies did ok. These aircraft are worth enough to be brought back to flying condition, but the process would have been different if not for the MAX.

Once the MAX grounding is lifted, we will see about 800 inducted into service quickly. That shock to the airline industry will be felt quickly. For example, SpiceJet will suddenly have a substantial fleet and the Jet MAXes will find a home. Expect a shock to fares downward as capacity is added.

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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:26 am

Boeing 737 -83N 32577 973 N445CC GECAS regd 18sep19 prior ferry ex DMK for freighter conversion ex HS-DBE
Boeing 737 -96NER 35223 2359 OE-IDW GECAS ferried 23sep19 QLA-SNN, for paint, for SkyUp Arlines ex VT-JLH
Boeing 737 -86N 38030 4139 VT- SpiceJet delivery 18sep19 HYD-DEL-DXB-DEL, 2-reg after paint ex 2-JFCG

source:https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3
 
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The 9W situation

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:27 am

Anyone aware of the 9W situation currently.
From the look of it...restarting looks very remote as there are no interested investors.
What would be the next step.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:50 pm

Ukraine's SkyUp Airlines has taken all four B737-96N/ER of 9W.
VT-JLH 35223/ 2559
VT-JLJ 35225/ 2590
VT-JBZ 36539/ 2596
VT-JBY 35227/ 2621

Another went to Spicejet:
VT-JGC 30412/ 1314
Boeing 737-95R
VT-SYL SpiceJet

Unaccounted for:
VT-JGD 33740/ 1350
Boeing 737-95R

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Re: The 9W situation

Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:48 am

HAWK21M wrote:
Anyone aware of the 9W situation currently.
From the look of it...restarting looks very remote as there are no interested investors.
What would be the next step.

The next step would be winding down of whatever assets still under the possession of Jet Airways. It remains to be seen how Jet's regulatory assets (airport slots and bilateral rights) will be handled.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:41 pm

Another victim of Jet Airways saga....huge loss of business and probably they are owed a ton of money too.

Oberoi looks to exit flight services business

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/71485780.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:02 pm

Gol is taking Jet NTU units of the MAX 8: link in spanish

https://aviacionaldia.com/2019/10/la-br ... rways.html
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:49 pm

Boeing 737 ‑96NER 35223 2559 UR-SQI SkyUp Airlines delivery 10oct19 QLA-KBP ex OE-IDW

source https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3
 
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:29 pm

danipawa wrote:
Boeing 737 ‑96NER 35223 2559 UR-SQI SkyUp Airlines delivery 10oct19 QLA-KBP ex OE-IDW

source https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3


Appears to have performed a flight to Antalya and back by now.

In the meantime, SkyUp delivery schedule indicates one more Jet 737-900 to be taken up in December, and the other two -- in April 2020.
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Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:44 pm

Curious: what about the wide-body fleet? Some of them were missing engines and were in bad shape, like VT-JWV and VT-JWW...which apparently haven't left India (these were owned frames). The narrow-body fleet found mostly new homes, with a good deal remaining in India. Also, B77Ws VT-JEM/S/T/U/W are still in India as well...why haven't the banks who financed those frames sought to repossess the frames?

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