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Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:52 pm
by American 767
OB1504 wrote:
How did MIA go from helping keep AA afloat at the time of the bankruptcy to barely profitable?


Probably a lot of cargo traffic. A lot of freight between New York and South America is transiting through Miami. Freight companies must have some sort of agreement with American Airlines for hauling cargo.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:02 pm
by FLIHGH
Boof02671 wrote:
FLIHGH wrote:
CLT remains the most profitable hub. They print money there.

I know the 200 flights will slowly start disappearing from CLT over the next few months as PSA begins accelerating their 200 retirements and finish receiving Envoy’s 700s and brand new 900s. DCA will hold steady for 200s as they need them for certain remote gates that can’t handle 700s. The new terminal will change everything.

AA is growing CLT, 200 flights aren’t being cut. I mean flights not aircraft type.


Sorry, industry talk! I'm so used to just saying "200" "700" or "9''" to refer to the CRJs. Thanks to the other member for clarifying.

CLT is losing many CRJ200 flights. PSA is retiring more this year while they receive the 700s and 900s. They will retain a few -200 flights (CRW, DAY, TRI, ORF, and a number of the Carolina Shuttle flights to name a few), but the majority of the 200 flying will be DCA. Piedmont will be taking over many of the routes that are the 50 seat routes, or they will see upgauges (such as CRW).

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:13 pm
by jetskipper
Amazing the amount of widebodies out of DFW.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:33 pm
by anymaninfc
Boof02671 wrote:
What’s flying PHX to Hawaii now? Still the 757s or A321s?


Yes, still B757s from PHX to Hawaii. The A321Neos should be phasing in this fall.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:47 pm
by FSDan
One more map! This one is weekend-only routes that operate during the summer. I'm slightly less confident in the completeness of this one given that the routes are fragmented throughout the network...

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Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:15 pm
by 303dk
kbmiflyer wrote:
CLT
The 1 757 flight is to Phoenix
wow. STT went to 738. It’s been 762 or 757 for ages

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:20 pm
by LAXdude1023
What about number of destinations?

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:23 pm
by American 767
anymaninfc wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
What’s flying PHX to Hawaii now? Still the 757s or A321s?


Yes, still B757s from PHX to Hawaii. The A321Neos should be phasing in this fall.


I think that by the end of this year, PHX will stop seeing the 757, all 10 ex-US 757s are leaving the fleet this year. By then all flights to Hawaii, from both LAX and PHX, will be A321s, OEO or NEOs not sure. DFW-HNL is now a 77E.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:39 pm
by CIDFlyer
The numbers at CLT always impress me. Nearly 700 flights. It’s always crazy busy there.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:42 am
by adamanbermuda
kbmiflyer wrote:

CLT
The 1 757 flight is to Phoenix



CLT sees at least one other 752 in the winter schedule. I fly CLT-MIA fairly frequently and I usually have the option of taking the 752, the last CLT-MIA of the day around 9:15pm. Regardless the 752 is a very rare sight at CLT now but this makes me curious if there are other routes that have a seasonal 752.

Adam

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:55 am
by rj1385
Looking at the map, I am surprised by PHL not reaching more western cities.

Also where is AA on the construction of the regional gates at DCA?

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:53 am
by N649DL
FSDan wrote:
American 767 wrote:
I believe that BOS still sees 1 757 departure a day, going to PHL. So one of the 11 757 departures out of PHL is for BOS. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.


The only 752s going into BOS this summer are from DFW, I believe. The 11 752s from PHL on the date I checked were 7x to DFW, 1x to MIA, 1x to SXM, 1x to SNN, and 1x to EDI. Things have since changed slightly with the 752 fleet after the MAX reshuffle (for instance, 752s were needed to cover MIA-UIO, which was previously a 7M8 route).


I actually count a whopping 6x 757 on DFW-PHL and 1-2x 757 on DFW-JFK/BOS when I look at the middle of July.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:46 am
by kbmiflyer
CIDFlyer wrote:
The numbers at CLT always impress me. Nearly 700 flights. It’s always crazy busy there.


It is only going to get busier once the terminal work is done.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:36 am
by JFKMan
Wow 900+ for DFW. Inching closer to ATL everyday. Thats impressive growth for AA at DFW.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:21 am
by FSDan
adamanbermuda wrote:
kbmiflyer wrote:

CLT
The 1 757 flight is to Phoenix



CLT sees at least one other 752 in the winter schedule. I fly CLT-MIA fairly frequently and I usually have the option of taking the 752, the last CLT-MIA of the day around 9:15pm. Regardless the 752 is a very rare sight at CLT now but this makes me curious if there are other routes that have a seasonal 752.

Adam


There definitely are seasonal changes. The past few winters, AA has run a daily 757 on a CLT-Caribbean route - I think it was CLT-AUA a few years ago (originating as JFK-CLT), and CLT-STT more recently (originating as MIA-CLT).

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:16 am
by N649DL
Honestly, I haven't seen so many AA 757 departures out of DFW (22) in quite a while. Seems like it's the mainstay for them this summer compared to the other hubs. Are they maybe pulling some out of the desert because of the MAX ban? I felt like the AA 757 recently was more of a PHL / MIA baseline plane in general.

Also found DFW-LAS is 1x 757 on July 8th in addition from DFW to 2x BOS, 6x PHL, 2x JFK, 3x MIA, 1x PHX. I'd assume the others are International destinations, but I find it interesting they're heavily focused out of DFW again with 30 some frames. I checked some others DFW-DEN / SFO / BWI / LGA / MCO / EWR / ORD / SNA and not seeing any.

FSDan wrote:
adamanbermuda wrote:
kbmiflyer wrote:

CLT
The 1 757 flight is to Phoenix



CLT sees at least one other 752 in the winter schedule. I fly CLT-MIA fairly frequently and I usually have the option of taking the 752, the last CLT-MIA of the day around 9:15pm. Regardless the 752 is a very rare sight at CLT now but this makes me curious if there are other routes that have a seasonal 752.

Adam


There definitely are seasonal changes. The past few winters, AA has run a daily 757 on a CLT-Caribbean route - I think it was CLT-AUA a few years ago (originating as JFK-CLT), and CLT-STT more recently (originating as MIA-CLT).


I believe it was only as of last year and it was JFK-CLT-SXM on a legacy AA 757. You can find videos on YouTube with Trip Reports on those flights. I don't see it around anymore, however.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:16 pm
by jfk777
MIA has a huge amount of 737 MAX on the schedule, the main plane to take over its flights to Latin America is the 757. DFW has an huge number of 757 flights, that will probably go down as the 757 is great for long thin flights to Brazil.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:22 pm
by MIflyer12
JFKMan wrote:
Wow 900+ for DFW. Inching closer to ATL everyday. Thats impressive growth for AA at DFW.


ATL is at 1,070 -- and 79% mainline. That's still a pretty good lead. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420613

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:43 pm
by UpNAWAy
OB1504 wrote:
How did MIA go from helping keep AA afloat at the time of the bankruptcy to barely profitable?



South American Flying and their respective economic cycles.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:31 pm
by FSDan
N649DL wrote:
Honestly, I haven't seen so many AA 757 departures out of DFW (22) in quite a while. Seems like it's the mainstay for them this summer compared to the other hubs. Are they maybe pulling some out of the desert because of the MAX ban? I felt like the AA 757 recently was more of a PHL / MIA baseline plane in general.

Also found DFW-LAS is 1x 757 on July 8th in addition from DFW to 2x BOS, 6x PHL, 2x JFK, 3x MIA, 1x PHX. I'd assume the others are International destinations, but I find it interesting they're heavily focused out of DFW again with 30 some frames. I checked some others DFW-DEN / SFO / BWI / LGA / MCO / EWR / ORD / SNA and not seeing any.


I don't believe any 752s have been pulled out of the desert. I think the re-concentration of the fleet at DFW is coming as quite a few of the former transatlantic 757 routes have been dropped (e.g. JFK-DUB) or upgauged to 763s (e.g. PHL-LIS), and as lots of the former Caribbean and South American 757 routes from MIA have been moving to the 7M8 (e.g. MIA-UIO).

With the 7M8 grounding AA has had to scramble to move a few 757s back to MIA to cover the likes of MIA-UIO, so the schedules you see on aa.com now won't add up to the 22 departures at DFW that are seen in this thread. If my memory is correct, the 22 were originally distributed like so:

LAS x2
PHX x1
MIA x4
PHL x6 (not 100% sure on this one - it might have been x7, in which case I probably missed the KEF flight when I was counting)
JFK x3
BOS x2
CUN x2
LIM x1
KEF x1

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:18 pm
by N649DL
FSDan wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Honestly, I haven't seen so many AA 757 departures out of DFW (22) in quite a while. Seems like it's the mainstay for them this summer compared to the other hubs. Are they maybe pulling some out of the desert because of the MAX ban? I felt like the AA 757 recently was more of a PHL / MIA baseline plane in general.

Also found DFW-LAS is 1x 757 on July 8th in addition from DFW to 2x BOS, 6x PHL, 2x JFK, 3x MIA, 1x PHX. I'd assume the others are International destinations, but I find it interesting they're heavily focused out of DFW again with 30 some frames. I checked some others DFW-DEN / SFO / BWI / LGA / MCO / EWR / ORD / SNA and not seeing any.


I don't believe any 752s have been pulled out of the desert. I think the re-concentration of the fleet at DFW is coming as quite a few of the former transatlantic 757 routes have been dropped (e.g. JFK-DUB) or upgauged to 763s (e.g. PHL-LIS), and as lots of the former Caribbean and South American 757 routes from MIA have been moving to the 7M8 (e.g. MIA-UIO).

With the 7M8 grounding AA has had to scramble to move a few 757s back to MIA to cover the likes of MIA-UIO, so the schedules you see on aa.com now won't add up to the 22 departures at DFW that are seen in this thread. If my memory is correct, the 22 were originally distributed like so:

LAS x2
PHX x1
MIA x4
PHL x6 (not 100% sure on this one - it might have been x7, in which case I probably missed the KEF flight when I was counting)
JFK x3
BOS x2
CUN x2
LIM x1
KEF x1


Ya know, it's still semi far out when you think about it. I know AA.COM is more reliable far out than say DL.COM for long term schedules (Delta can change things up within 60 days or so). For DFW-PHL to be 6x a day meshed with the other hubs and only 30ish 757 active, I want to say that some of it has to be placeholders for other aircraft in favor of the MAX ban.

If you look at the UA thread, they have 56 752s (15 of them doing EWR-LAX/SFO and BOS-SFO only) most are centered out of EWR and the rest of the hubs are mostly up to 11-12 daily or less on the 752. Thus they have 41 ex-CO 757s and either it's light scheduling compared to AA, or AA is using them as placeholders until the MAX comes back. I'm not a planner but AA's 757 schedule this summer seems interesting as the utilization has to be absolutely nuts or they're reactivating frames or something.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:50 pm
by FSDan
N649DL wrote:
FSDan wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Honestly, I haven't seen so many AA 757 departures out of DFW (22) in quite a while. Seems like it's the mainstay for them this summer compared to the other hubs. Are they maybe pulling some out of the desert because of the MAX ban? I felt like the AA 757 recently was more of a PHL / MIA baseline plane in general.

Also found DFW-LAS is 1x 757 on July 8th in addition from DFW to 2x BOS, 6x PHL, 2x JFK, 3x MIA, 1x PHX. I'd assume the others are International destinations, but I find it interesting they're heavily focused out of DFW again with 30 some frames. I checked some others DFW-DEN / SFO / BWI / LGA / MCO / EWR / ORD / SNA and not seeing any.


I don't believe any 752s have been pulled out of the desert. I think the re-concentration of the fleet at DFW is coming as quite a few of the former transatlantic 757 routes have been dropped (e.g. JFK-DUB) or upgauged to 763s (e.g. PHL-LIS), and as lots of the former Caribbean and South American 757 routes from MIA have been moving to the 7M8 (e.g. MIA-UIO).

With the 7M8 grounding AA has had to scramble to move a few 757s back to MIA to cover the likes of MIA-UIO, so the schedules you see on aa.com now won't add up to the 22 departures at DFW that are seen in this thread. If my memory is correct, the 22 were originally distributed like so:

LAS x2
PHX x1
MIA x4
PHL x6 (not 100% sure on this one - it might have been x7, in which case I probably missed the KEF flight when I was counting)
JFK x3
BOS x2
CUN x2
LIM x1
KEF x1


Ya know, it's still semi far out when you think about it. I know AA.COM is more reliable far out than say DL.COM for long term schedules (Delta can change things up within 60 days or so). For DFW-PHL to be 6x a day meshed with the other hubs and only 30ish 757 active, I want to say that some of it has to be placeholders for other aircraft in favor of the MAX ban.

If you look at the UA thread, they have 56 752s (15 of them doing EWR-LAX/SFO and BOS-SFO only) most are centered out of EWR and the rest of the hubs are mostly up to 11-12 daily or less on the 752. Thus they have 41 ex-CO 757s and either it's light scheduling compared to AA, or AA is using them as placeholders until the MAX comes back. I'm not a planner but AA's 757 schedule this summer seems interesting as the utilization has to be absolutely nuts or they're reactivating frames or something.


It's actually less crazy than you think. At some point a month or so ago I worked out how many frames were needed to cover the schedule, and it came out to something like 19 or 20 out of a 24-strong fleet. For the domestic 757s based out of PHX, it was 9 out of 10.

The departure numbers per frame might be lower with UA's schedule, but UA flies their 752s on much longer routes on average.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:47 pm
by N649DL
FSDan wrote:
N649DL wrote:
FSDan wrote:

I don't believe any 752s have been pulled out of the desert. I think the re-concentration of the fleet at DFW is coming as quite a few of the former transatlantic 757 routes have been dropped (e.g. JFK-DUB) or upgauged to 763s (e.g. PHL-LIS), and as lots of the former Caribbean and South American 757 routes from MIA have been moving to the 7M8 (e.g. MIA-UIO).

With the 7M8 grounding AA has had to scramble to move a few 757s back to MIA to cover the likes of MIA-UIO, so the schedules you see on aa.com now won't add up to the 22 departures at DFW that are seen in this thread. If my memory is correct, the 22 were originally distributed like so:

LAS x2
PHX x1
MIA x4
PHL x6 (not 100% sure on this one - it might have been x7, in which case I probably missed the KEF flight when I was counting)
JFK x3
BOS x2
CUN x2
LIM x1
KEF x1


Ya know, it's still semi far out when you think about it. I know AA.COM is more reliable far out than say DL.COM for long term schedules (Delta can change things up within 60 days or so). For DFW-PHL to be 6x a day meshed with the other hubs and only 30ish 757 active, I want to say that some of it has to be placeholders for other aircraft in favor of the MAX ban.

If you look at the UA thread, they have 56 752s (15 of them doing EWR-LAX/SFO and BOS-SFO only) most are centered out of EWR and the rest of the hubs are mostly up to 11-12 daily or less on the 752. Thus they have 41 ex-CO 757s and either it's light scheduling compared to AA, or AA is using them as placeholders until the MAX comes back. I'm not a planner but AA's 757 schedule this summer seems interesting as the utilization has to be absolutely nuts or they're reactivating frames or something.


It's actually less crazy than you think. At some point a month or so ago I worked out how many frames were needed to cover the schedule, and it came out to something like 19 or 20 out of a 24-strong fleet. For the domestic 757s based out of PHX, it was 9 out of 10.

The departure numbers per frame might be lower with UA's schedule, but UA flies their 752s on much longer routes on average.


I get it, thanks for this. But still, doesn't AA operate the 757 out of PHL on TATL routes and PHX to Hawaii? I feel like it's more on the aggressive side with only 34 frames, but I could be totally wrong. The 6-7x daily on PHL-DFW-PHL with the 757 is something I never seen before. DFW-BOS on a 757 I can understand as I remember connecting at DFW to LAX on spring break from PVR and watched an M83 going to BOS and it was taking weight restrictions to get PAX off. This was like February 2008 while in college.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:12 pm
by FSDan
N649DL wrote:
FSDan wrote:
It's actually less crazy than you think. At some point a month or so ago I worked out how many frames were needed to cover the schedule, and it came out to something like 19 or 20 out of a 24-strong fleet. For the domestic 757s based out of PHX, it was 9 out of 10.

The departure numbers per frame might be lower with UA's schedule, but UA flies their 752s on much longer routes on average.


I get it, thanks for this. But still, doesn't AA operate the 757 out of PHL on TATL routes and PHX to Hawaii? I feel like it's more on the aggressive side with only 34 frames, but I could be totally wrong.


Of the 10 PHX-based domestic 752s, there are 6 frames required for the Hawai'i flying (1x LIH, 2x HNL, 2x OGG, 1x KOA). There's quite a bit of downtime in between the Hawai'i flights, so a few additional shorter turns can be fitted in (PHX-SAN-PHX, PHX-DFW-PHX). That leaves 4 out of 10 frames. Of those 4, three run longer out-and-back trips (PHX-CLT-PHX, PHX-DCA-PHX, PHX-CUN-PHX) and RON at PHX. That leaves 1 spare, and some pretty decent downtime for the frames that are flying.

The 24 international-configured 752s don't actually fly too many intercontinental routes at this point. There's DFW-KEF, DFW-LIM, MIA-LIM, MIA-VVI, MIA-BSB, PHL-SNN, and PHL-EDI. Those routes essentially tie up one frame each (VVI and BSB are deep South America routes, but they have daylight northbound flights so they don't require 2 frames like most other deep South America flights that are redeyes in both directions). That leaves 17 frames to cover the hub-to-hub, domestic, and short range international flying.

Since the MAX grounding, AA has moved 2x daily MIA-UIO flights from 7M8s to 752s, so they've reduced some of the domestic 752 flying that had previously been loaded to compensate for that.

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:26 am
by Fargo
MIflyer12 wrote:
JFKMan wrote:
Wow 900+ for DFW. Inching closer to ATL everyday. Thats impressive growth for AA at DFW.


ATL is at 1,070 -- and 79% mainline. That's still a pretty good lead. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420613


Within the next 10-15 years (probably sooner), DFW will overtake ATL in number of flights. DFW has tons of room to grow while ATL is virtually landlocked. However, you are correct in that ATL does have a comfortable lead in passengers and it will take DFW quite a while to catch up there.