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UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:42 pm

As I've done in past years, I have gone through the online schedules of the US3 (AA, UA, DL), and have tallied up departures by aircraft type for each hub in order to get a picture of how each airline is currently deploying its fleet across the U.S. I picked a Monday in the middle of the summer (July 15, 2019) and collected schedule data from the same day for all three airlines so that comparisons can be made. It is also interesting to see how things have changed over the years - here are some links to related threads for reference:

2018:
AA - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396833
UA - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396837
DL - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396835

2019:
AA - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420609
DL - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420613

A few notes/disclaimers:
  • This data was collected by hand, so it's possible there are a few inaccuracies. However, I have a high level of confidence in the data overall.
  • Schedules are always subject to change, so the totals from when I collected data may already have changed slightly, and may change further in the coming weeks. Notably, I collected the AA data before they removed the 7M8 from their schedules through mid August, so AA hubs in particular might end up looking different depending on how fast the MAX gets back in the air.
  • As we know, the term "hub" is always unavoidably subjective. For the purpose of these threads, I'm classifying a "hub" as a station that has 100+ departures serving 30+ destinations.
  • I don't have plans to do this for any other airline's network this summer - if someone would like to make a thread like this for AS, AC, etc., wonderful! Please use 7/15/2019 as the schedule date for a fair comparison.
  • For simplicity's sake, I decided not to split out different subfleets in the tallies. International 757-200s will be aggregated with domestic 757-200s, 70-seat E-175s with 76-seat E-175s, and so on and so forth. I'm also using airline-agnostic aircraft codes, so if a given airline classifies their 737-700s as "73W" (looking at you, DL), the data here will still show "73G" instead.

Enjoy!


ORD

ER4: 81
CR2: 163
CR7: 34
E70: 21
E75: 60
73G: 19
319: 47
320: 45
738: 52
739: 71
752: 5
753: 17
763: 6
772: 16

Total = 637
43.6 % mainline


IAH

ER4: 113
CR2: 7
CR7: 12
E70: 22
E75: 138
73G: 31
319: 32
320: 19
738: 53
739: 63
7M9: 21
752: 1
763: 8
789: 3
772: 10

Total = 533
45.2 % mainline


DEN

ER4: 68
CR2: 118
CR7: 38
E70: 14
E75: 44
319: 35
320: 40
738: 56
739: 65
752: 6
753: 9
788: 4
772: 7

Total = 504
44.0 % mainline


EWR

ER4: 122
E70: 40
E75: 32
73G: 19
319: 21
320: 31
738: 44
739: 40
752: 37
763: 12
764: 10
78J: 9
772: 11
77W: 4

Total = 432
55.1 % mainline


SFO

CR2: 51
CR7: 4
E75: 43
319: 8
320: 43
738: 34
739: 62
7M9: 8
752: 20
753: 14
788: 3
789: 10
78J: 1
772: 15
77W: 6

Total = 322
69.6 % mainline


IAD

ER4: 34
CR2: 44
CR7: 59
E75: 20
73G: 6
319: 13
320: 8
738: 17
739: 36
752: 9
763: 4
764: 2
788: 5
772: 9

Total = 266
41.0 % mainline


LAX

CR2: 31
CR7: 7
E75: 22
320: 5
738: 20
739: 33
7M9: 8
752: 12
753: 11
789: 5
78J: 2
772: 4

Total = 160
62.5 % mainline
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:13 pm

I am a little surprised how “small” EWR and especially SFO is compared to ORD, IAH and DEN when everyone here seems to only focus on those two hubs. Furthermore, compared to DL/ATL and AA/DFW, UA is a bit more balanced across its hubs.
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:34 pm

B747forever wrote:
I am a little surprised how “small” EWR and especially SFO is compared to ORD, IAH and DEN when everyone here seems to only focus on those two hubs. Furthermore, compared to DL/ATL and AA/DFW, UA is a bit more balanced across its hubs.

Small in number of flights, but EWR has more widebody flights for UA, than AA does at MIA or DL does at ATL. SFO and EWR are both much higher mainline % and widebody %, and yet those airports are still cramped and delay prone. I don't think there's much bigger they can make them, except for even more upguaging.

What I am surprised by is the number of 752 flights out of EWR. 37, and if you subtract out the number of 752 flights at LAX and most of the ones at SFO (I know a few go to BOS), that only leaves 5-10 752's going to Europe nowadays. I have seen a lot of flights that used to be 752's moved up to 763's, but I didn't realize how many.
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:44 pm

B747forever wrote:
I am a little surprised how “small” EWR and especially SFO is compared to ORD, IAH and DEN when everyone here seems to only focus on those two hubs. Furthermore, compared to DL/ATL and AA/DFW, UA is a bit more balanced across its hubs.


My take on the "number of flight" difference: :twocents:

IAH/ORD/DEN: Being mostly domestic hubs (Although IAH has tons of flight to the south) = pax from 10 NB/RJ flights connect to 10 NB/RJ flights.
EWR/SFO: Being mostly TATL/TPAC hub, respectively = pax from 10 NB/RJ flights connect to 4-5 WB long-haul flights (and v.v.)

Hence why, in terms of "number of flight", EWR/SFO looks small. I wonder what the number would look like in terms of # of seats, though.

On a side note, that's a fair drop in mainline% at IAH. Last year it was 49.5%, now 45.2%, while all the other airports stay relatively consistent in that metric (within +/- 1.5%).
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:53 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
B747forever wrote:
I am a little surprised how “small” EWR and especially SFO is compared to ORD, IAH and DEN when everyone here seems to only focus on those two hubs. Furthermore, compared to DL/ATL and AA/DFW, UA is a bit more balanced across its hubs.


My take on the "number of flight" difference: :twocents:

IAH/ORD/DEN: Being mostly domestic hubs (Although IAH has tons of flight to the south) = pax from 10 NB/RJ flights connect to 10 NB/RJ flights.
EWR/SFO: Being mostly TATL/TPAC hub, respectively = pax from 10 NB/RJ flights connect to 4-5 WB long-haul flights (and v.v.)

Hence why, in terms of "number of flight", EWR/SFO looks small. I wonder what the number would look like in terms of # of seats, though.


I believe I've seen data on seats per hub here on a.net. (A couple of years ago?) ATL is #1 by a mile, followed by DFW at #2.

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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:55 pm

Great work, as always.

To recap, since 2018, for each hub:

ORD: Fewer flights, larger gauge: 50-seaters roughly flat, fewer 70/76 seaters, more large NB (738/739), more widebodies

IAH: More flights, slightly smaller gauge: fewer NB mainline, more 50 seaters, more 70/76 seaters, more widebodies

DEN: More flights, larger gauge, 50 seaters big increase, more mainline NB, more mainline WB, 70/76 seaters flat

EWR: Slightly fewer flights, similar gauge: fewer 50 seaters, flat 70/76 seaters, fewer NB mainline (with higher mix of 73G/319/320 to 738/739), more WB (+5)

SFO: Flat in departures, UAX departures flat but worse mix of 50 to 70/76 seaters, more large NB, more WB (+5)

IAD: Increase in departures, smaller overall gauge, more UAX in both 50 and 70/76 categories, flat in mainline NB, +1 in WB

LAX: Down in departures, up in 50 seaters, up in 70 seaters, down in 76 seaters, down in NB mainline, +1 in WB

So, it would appear DEN growth has been fueled by shift of mainline from IAH/LAX plus additional 50 seaters added to the network; IAH departures growth driven by additional 50 seaters and some 70/76 seaters coming from the West Coast; IAD departures growth coming from shift of 50 seaters from EWR. There has also been a bit of a shift of 738/739 from EWR to ORD/SFO. Additional widebody flying appears to be enabled by 787-10 deliveries and removal of one 777 rotation from GUM (2x GUM-NRT 77G going to 738 for summer season).
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:55 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
B747forever wrote:
I am a little surprised how “small” EWR and especially SFO is compared to ORD, IAH and DEN when everyone here seems to only focus on those two hubs. Furthermore, compared to DL/ATL and AA/DFW, UA is a bit more balanced across its hubs.


My take on the "number of flight" difference: :twocents:

IAH/ORD/DEN: Being mostly domestic hubs (Although IAH has tons of flight to the south) = pax from 10 NB/RJ flights connect to 10 NB/RJ flights.
EWR/SFO: Being mostly TATL/TPAC hub, respectively = pax from 10 NB/RJ flights connect to 4-5 WB long-haul flights (and v.v.)

Hence why, in terms of "number of flight", EWR/SFO looks small. I wonder what the number would look like in terms of # of seats, though.


I believe I've seen data on seats per hub here on a.net. (A couple of years ago?) ATL is #1 by a mile, followed by DFW at #2. You see that [email protected] has nearly twice as many mainline flights as [email protected] has total flights, right?

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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:57 pm

B747forever wrote:
I am a little surprised how “small” EWR and especially SFO is compared to ORD, IAH and DEN when everyone here seems to only focus on those two hubs.


UA is basically maxed out on gates at SFO, and I'm sure EWR is crunched at peak times as well.

You will notice that these two hubs do have the most widebodies of pretty much any of the US3 hubs in the country, and tend to have more mainline in general. If you ranked the hubs by ASMs, SFO and EWR would look bigger than they do here ranked by departures.
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:11 pm

How much longer will the 752s be flying transatlantic missions for UA?
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:16 pm

FSDan wrote:
B747forever wrote:
I am a little surprised how “small” EWR and especially SFO is compared to ORD, IAH and DEN when everyone here seems to only focus on those two hubs.


UA is basically maxed out on gates at SFO, and I'm sure EWR is crunched at peak times as well.

You will notice that these two hubs do have the most widebodies of pretty much any of the US3 hubs in the country, and tend to have more mainline in general. If you ranked the hubs by ASMs, SFO and EWR would look bigger than they do here ranked by departures.


Pretty sure UA at SFO runs the highest gate utilization of any US3 hub. They really don’t have any more ability to add flights until they start getting gates in Terminal 2.

I think EWR is more of a runway capacity issue than a gate issue. Even though the airport technically isn’t slotted anymore, I don’t think the FAA will allow anyone to add flights for much of the afternoon/evening and parts of the morning too.
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:16 pm

Eirules wrote:
How much longer will the 752s be flying transatlantic missions for UA?


I don't think there is a retirement date set for the pmCO 752s that are used on transatlantic flights. I imagine the likes of ORD-EDI, IAD-LIS, and EWR-SNN will continue to see 752s for years to come.
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:50 pm

Really interesting. Crazy to see the mainline difference between hubs. Wonder how this correlates to total seats?
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:48 pm

DEN will pass IAH at some point it seems.
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:53 pm

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DEN will pass IAH at some point it seems.

But isn’t IAH growing as well, In an article Kirby said they planned IAH to be over 600 in the near future.
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:00 pm

FSDan wrote:
As I've done in past years, I have gone through the online schedules of the US3 (AA, UA, DL), and have tallied up departures by aircraft type for each hub in order to get a picture of how each airline is currently deploying its fleet across the U.S. I picked a Monday in the middle of the summer (July 15, 2019) and collected schedule data from the same day for all three airlines so that comparisons can be made. It is also interesting to see how things have changed over the years - here are some links to related threads for reference:

2018:
AA - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396833
UA - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396837
DL - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1396835

2019:
AA - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420609
DL - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420613

A few notes/disclaimers:
  • This data was collected by hand, so it's possible there are a few inaccuracies. However, I have a high level of confidence in the data overall.
  • Schedules are always subject to change, so the totals from when I collected data may already have changed slightly, and may change further in the coming weeks. Notably, I collected the AA data before they removed the 7M8 from their schedules through mid August, so AA hubs in particular might end up looking different depending on how fast the MAX gets back in the air.
  • As we know, the term "hub" is always unavoidably subjective. For the purpose of these threads, I'm classifying a "hub" as a station that has 100+ departures serving 30+ destinations.
  • I don't have plans to do this for any other airline's network this summer - if someone would like to make a thread like this for AS, AC, etc., wonderful! Please use 7/15/2019 as the schedule date for a fair comparison.
  • For simplicity's sake, I decided not to split out different subfleets in the tallies. International 757-200s will be aggregated with domestic 757-200s, 70-seat E-175s with 76-seat E-175s, and so on and so forth. I'm also using airline-agnostic aircraft codes, so if a given airline classifies their 737-700s as "73W" (looking at you, DL), the data here will still show "73G" instead.

Enjoy!


ORD

ER4: 81
CR2: 163
CR7: 34
E70: 21
E75: 60
73G: 19
319: 47
320: 45
738: 52
739: 71
752: 5
753: 17
763: 6
772: 16

Total = 637
43.6 % mainline


IAH

ER4: 113
CR2: 7
CR7: 12
E70: 22
E75: 138
73G: 31
319: 32
320: 19
738: 53
739: 63
7M9: 21
752: 1
763: 8
789: 3
772: 10

Total = 533
45.2 % mainline


DEN

ER4: 68
CR2: 118
CR7: 38
E70: 14
E75: 44
319: 35
320: 40
738: 56
739: 65
752: 6
753: 9
788: 4
772: 7

Total = 504
44.0 % mainline


EWR

ER4: 122
E70: 40
E75: 32
73G: 19
319: 21
320: 31
738: 44
739: 40
752: 37
763: 12
764: 10
78J: 9
772: 11
77W: 4

Total = 432
55.1 % mainline


SFO

CR2: 51
CR7: 4
E75: 43
319: 8
320: 43
738: 34
739: 62
7M9: 8
752: 20
753: 14
788: 3
789: 10
78J: 1
772: 15
77W: 6

Total = 322
69.6 % mainline


IAD

ER4: 34
CR2: 44
CR7: 59
E75: 20
73G: 6
319: 13
320: 8
738: 17
739: 36
752: 9
763: 4
764: 2
788: 5
772: 9

Total = 266
41.0 % mainline


LAX

CR2: 31
CR7: 7
E75: 22
320: 5
738: 20
739: 33
7M9: 8
752: 12
753: 11
789: 5
78J: 2
772: 4

Total = 160
62.5 % mainline


Wow it looks like DEN has seriously outpaced EWR with 505 mainline flights and EWR at 432. Wasn't EWR bigger than DEN at one point recently?
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:03 pm

AVENSAB727 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
DEN will pass IAH at some point it seems.

But isn’t IAH growing as well, In an article Kirby said they planned IAH to be over 600 in the near future.


Talk is cheap. I look at actions. UA has been growing DEN like crazy. IAH, not nearly as much.
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:04 pm

N649DL wrote:
Wow it looks like DEN has seriously outpaced EWR with 505 mainline flights and EWR at 432. Wasn't EWR bigger than DEN at one point recently?


Yes, EWR was bigger recently, but that's mostly because DEN was slashed a lot after the merger (remember that DEN was a strong #2 for pmUA). It's been clawing its way back the past few years, which is good to see.

EWR is very constrained operationally, so I wouldn't expect it to change too much from year to year in terms of number of departures.
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:05 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
DEN will pass IAH at some point it seems.

But isn’t IAH growing as well, In an article Kirby said they planned IAH to be over 600 in the near future.


Talk is cheap. I look at actions. UA has been growing DEN like crazy. IAH, not nearly as much.

Point taken.
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:11 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
DEN will pass IAH at some point it seems.

But isn’t IAH growing as well, In an article Kirby said they planned IAH to be over 600 in the near future.


Talk is cheap. I look at actions. UA has been growing DEN like crazy. IAH, not nearly as much.


The thing I like that UA has been doing at IAH recently (which you can't see directly from just looking at the departure numbers) is getting the ER4s off the longest routes. IAH used to have abominably long ER4 flights to places like YYZ, RIC, ORF, PIT, etc. Now the longest routes out of IAH that see 50-seaters are IND, JAX, and COS. IND and JAX are still ripe for upgauges to CR7/E70/E75 in my opinion, but the situation is vastly improved over what it was a few years ago. New as of this summer, all the IAH-Ohio routes (even CAK and DAY) are all large RJs and mainline.
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:20 pm

FSDan wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
But isn’t IAH growing as well, In an article Kirby said they planned IAH to be over 600 in the near future.


Talk is cheap. I look at actions. UA has been growing DEN like crazy. IAH, not nearly as much.


The thing I like that UA has been doing at IAH recently (which you can't see directly from just looking at the departure numbers) is getting the ER4s off the longest routes. IAH used to have abominably long ER4 flights to places like YYZ, RIC, ORF, PIT, etc. Now the longest routes out of IAH that see 50-seaters are IND, JAX, and COS. IND and JAX are still ripe for upgauges to CR7/E70/E75 in my opinion, but the situation is vastly improved over what it was a few years ago. New as of this summer, all the IAH-Ohio routes (even CAK and DAY) are all large RJs and mainline.


This is true. DEN should still pass IAH in departures if the trend continues, but maybe not in number of seats. I believe DEN does have more total destinations than IAH as is though...
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:16 am

FSDan, thanks so much for taking the time to compile these fascinating lists.

SFO/EWR are the crown jewels of the United network as international gateways. Despite the relatively few # of departures (UA has been upgauging SFO like crazy with domestic 777s), there are just so many widebodies that by total seats, they shouldn't be too far away from DEN.

For all the recent growth at UA, ORD/DEN/EWR/SFO/LAX are maxed out near term due to gate space. Future growth can only come through upgauging. IAH/IAD are the only hubs that still have more space to add flights.
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:50 am

FSDan wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Wow it looks like DEN has seriously outpaced EWR with 505 mainline flights and EWR at 432. Wasn't EWR bigger than DEN at one point recently?


Yes, EWR was bigger recently, but that's mostly because DEN was slashed a lot after the merger (remember that DEN was a strong #2 for pmUA). It's been clawing its way back the past few years, which is good to see.

EWR is very constrained operationally, so I wouldn't expect it to change too much from year to year in terms of number of departures.


Got it. I think they've always been close. I think they traded a few times, either EWR or DEN had more mainline vs. express and kind of went back and fourth. That said, I've never seen DEN outpace EWR so much by over 70+ flights and I had no idea IAH had shrunk so much where DEN will probably overtake it very soon as well.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:55 am

I would assume DEN will get another boost when the A terminal extension gets completed (If I'm correct that is underway already) as I though United was going to get at least some of those gates for Express side. Will make connecting in DEN a little less convenient for those affected passengers. However, I would assume that another boost of either new destinations will show up or, better yet, more frequency for some of the once or twice a day outstations.
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:59 am

Seems like the E170/5SC series and the CRJ550 should make for an interesting recalibration next year in some of these figures.

Also, seems like IAD is just plain underutilized. For all of the real estate and capacity....seems like it is begging for another couple of banks, and more importantly, more outstation connections throughout the south. AA has really been building CLT up, and according to reports from management, doing very well. But I suppose the cost differential of operating out of CLT vs. IAD has some impact?
 
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:12 am

It is interesting to see how much UA relies on regional lift compared to DL and AA. I wonder if DL having the 717's account for the difference between mainline vs regional percentages.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:19 am

SierraPacific wrote:
It is interesting to see how much UA relies on regional lift compared to DL and AA. I wonder if DL having the 717's account for the difference between mainline vs regional percentages.


I would think so. Delta does run a great operation but I think part of (not solely, of course) that is because of its less of a reliance on RJs. When bad weather hits, the 50-seaters are the first flights to get axed at any of the US3 and since United has so many of them...
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:53 am

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It is interesting to see how much UA relies on regional lift compared to DL and AA. I wonder if DL having the 717's account for the difference between mainline vs regional percentages.


For the Delta it's the 91 717s and the arriving 220s on mainline vs. regional, but it's also a bigger mix of two-class RJ vs. single class RJs than what is found on United Express.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:07 pm

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AVENSAB727 wrote:
But isn’t IAH growing as well, In an article Kirby said they planned IAH to be over 600 in the near future.


Talk is cheap. I look at actions. UA has been growing DEN like crazy. IAH, not nearly as much.


The thing I like that UA has been doing at IAH recently (which you can't see directly from just looking at the departure numbers) is getting the ER4s off the longest routes. IAH used to have abominably long ER4 flights to places like YYZ, RIC, ORF, PIT, etc. Now the longest routes out of IAH that see 50-seaters are IND, JAX, and COS. IND and JAX are still ripe for upgauges to CR7/E70/E75 in my opinion, but the situation is vastly improved over what it was a few years ago. New as of this summer, all the IAH-Ohio routes (even CAK and DAY) are all large RJs and mainline.


Pretty shocking that UA can only muster up 2xE145, 1xCR2, and 1xE170 on IND-IAH in June, however, everywhere else has seen dramatic improvement which is good.

JAX has seen a huge improvement with more mainline and large RJs.
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:25 pm

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Great work, as always.

To recap, since 2018, for each hub:

ORD: Fewer flights, larger gauge: 50-seaters roughly flat, fewer 70/76 seaters, more large NB (738/739), more widebodies

IAH: More flights, slightly smaller gauge: fewer NB mainline, more 50 seaters, more 70/76 seaters, more widebodies

DEN: More flights, larger gauge, 50 seaters big increase, more mainline NB, more mainline WB, 70/76 seaters flat

EWR: Slightly fewer flights, similar gauge: fewer 50 seaters, flat 70/76 seaters, fewer NB mainline (with higher mix of 73G/319/320 to 738/739), more WB (+5)

SFO: Flat in departures, UAX departures flat but worse mix of 50 to 70/76 seaters, more large NB, more WB (+5)

IAD: Increase in departures, smaller overall gauge, more UAX in both 50 and 70/76 categories, flat in mainline NB, +1 in WB

LAX: Down in departures, up in 50 seaters, up in 70 seaters, down in 76 seaters, down in NB mainline, +1 in WB

So, it would appear DEN growth has been fueled by shift of mainline from IAH/LAX plus additional 50 seaters added to the network; IAH departures growth driven by additional 50 seaters and some 70/76 seaters coming from the West Coast; IAD departures growth coming from shift of 50 seaters from EWR. There has also been a bit of a shift of 738/739 from EWR to ORD/SFO. Additional widebody flying appears to be enabled by 787-10 deliveries and removal of one 777 rotation from GUM (2x GUM-NRT 77G going to 738 for summer season).


Great breakdown, also love these lists when FSDan puts them out, thanks for that hard work
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:16 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
FSDan wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

Talk is cheap. I look at actions. UA has been growing DEN like crazy. IAH, not nearly as much.


The thing I like that UA has been doing at IAH recently (which you can't see directly from just looking at the departure numbers) is getting the ER4s off the longest routes. IAH used to have abominably long ER4 flights to places like YYZ, RIC, ORF, PIT, etc. Now the longest routes out of IAH that see 50-seaters are IND, JAX, and COS. IND and JAX are still ripe for upgauges to CR7/E70/E75 in my opinion, but the situation is vastly improved over what it was a few years ago. New as of this summer, all the IAH-Ohio routes (even CAK and DAY) are all large RJs and mainline.


Pretty shocking that UA can only muster up 2xE145, 1xCR2, and 1xE170 on IND-IAH in June, however, everywhere else has seen dramatic improvement which is good.

JAX has seen a huge improvement with more mainline and large RJs.


I agree. That’s ridiculous on IAH-IND.
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:30 pm

Is it possible that IAH is still feeling the effects of the oil downturn? Nice to see DEN see growth, more than IAH, but sad to see IAH lose the 2nd largest hub spot.
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:42 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

Talk is cheap. I look at actions. UA has been growing DEN like crazy. IAH, not nearly as much.


The thing I like that UA has been doing at IAH recently (which you can't see directly from just looking at the departure numbers) is getting the ER4s off the longest routes. IAH used to have abominably long ER4 flights to places like YYZ, RIC, ORF, PIT, etc. Now the longest routes out of IAH that see 50-seaters are IND, JAX, and COS. IND and JAX are still ripe for upgauges to CR7/E70/E75 in my opinion, but the situation is vastly improved over what it was a few years ago. New as of this summer, all the IAH-Ohio routes (even CAK and DAY) are all large RJs and mainline.


This is true. DEN should still pass IAH in departures if the trend continues, but maybe not in number of seats. I believe DEN does have more total destinations than IAH as is though...


The thing people forget about DEN (and SLC for DL) is that it is the "regional hub" for an enormous number of small towns that surround it. Texas is large, but more sparsely populated. UA serves seven cities in Colorado from DEN (plus CNY and VEL, which are just over the state line), six in Wyoming, six in Western Kansas and Nebraska, etc.
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:50 pm

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... When bad weather hits, the 50-seaters are the first flights to get axed at any of the US3 and since United has so many of them...


If all these 50-seaters were converted to mainline then the mainline flights would be cancelled when weather hits and airport capacity drops below what's normally scheduled. Either way, the SYR, BUF, LNK and ICTs of the world will probably be inconvenienced just as often.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:52 pm

Smisek and the Continental management team that took over the airline really cut Denver after the merger. I'm glad the current management sees the opportunities Denver provides for growth. (off the topic: why isn't Smisek in jail?)
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:57 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
ScorpioMC3 wrote:
... When bad weather hits, the 50-seaters are the first flights to get axed at any of the US3 and since United has so many of them...


If all these 50-seaters were converted to mainline then the mainline flights would be cancelled when weather hits and airport capacity drops below what's normally scheduled. Either way, the SYR, BUF, LNK and ICTs of the world will probably be inconvenienced just as often.


The regional carriers generally aren't certified to the same standard for low-visibility approaches as mainline crews/aircraft, so that's not automatically true, but at airports like EWR with capacity restraints on a good day, "something's gotta give" when weather conditions deteriorate, and your point is certainly valid.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:04 pm

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Is it possible that IAH is still feeling the effects of the oil downturn? Nice to see DEN see growth, more than IAH, but sad to see IAH lose the 2nd largest hub spot.


IAH's still bigger than DEN for now by pretty much all measures (# of departures, % mainline, # of widebodies, and it certainly would be by ASMs). It's just that the gap between them has shrunk quite a bit.
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:19 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
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FSDan wrote:

The thing I like that UA has been doing at IAH recently (which you can't see directly from just looking at the departure numbers) is getting the ER4s off the longest routes. IAH used to have abominably long ER4 flights to places like YYZ, RIC, ORF, PIT, etc. Now the longest routes out of IAH that see 50-seaters are IND, JAX, and COS. IND and JAX are still ripe for upgauges to CR7/E70/E75 in my opinion, but the situation is vastly improved over what it was a few years ago. New as of this summer, all the IAH-Ohio routes (even CAK and DAY) are all large RJs and mainline.


This is true. DEN should still pass IAH in departures if the trend continues, but maybe not in number of seats. I believe DEN does have more total destinations than IAH as is though...


The thing people forget about DEN (and SLC for DL) is that it is the "regional hub" for an enormous number of small towns that surround it. Texas is large, but more sparsely populated. UA serves seven cities in Colorado from DEN (plus CNY and VEL, which are just over the state line), six in Wyoming, six in Western Kansas and Nebraska, etc.


Um, no. Look at the fifteen states with the lowest population density and many are proximate to Colorado (Colorado itself is #14, while Texas is #25):

State Population Land Area (sq mi) Density (people per sq mi) ▴
Alaska flag Alaska 737,000 (49th) 570,640.61 (1st) 1.3 (56th)
Wyoming flag Wyoming 584,000 (52nd) 97,093.07 (9th) 6.0 (55th)
Montana flag Montana 1,024,000 (45th) 145,545.78 (4th) 7.0 (54th)
North Dakota flag North Dakota 739,000 (48th) 69,000.67 (17th) 10.7 (53rd)
South Dakota flag South Dakota 853,000 (47th) 75,811.13 (16th) 11.3 (52nd)
New Mexico flag New Mexico 2,086,000 (37th) 121,298.19 (5th) 17.2 (51st)
Idaho flag Idaho 1,634,000 (40th) 82,643.20 (11th) 19.8 (50th)
Nebraska flag Nebraska 1,882,000 (38th) 76,824.26 (15th) 24.5 (49th)
Nevada flag Nevada 2,839,000 (36th) 109,781.15 (7th) 25.9 (48th)
Utah flag Utah 2,943,000 (34th) 82,169.46 (12th) 35.8 (47th)
Kansas flag Kansas 2,904,000 (35th) 81,758.64 (13th) 35.5 (46th)
Oregon flag Oregon 3,970,000 (27th) 95,988.05 (10th) 41.4 (45th)
Maine flag Maine 1,330,000 (42nd) 30,842.99 (39th) 43.1 (44th)
Colorado flag Colorado 5,356,000 (22nd) 103,641.75 (8th) 51.7 (43rd)
Oklahoma flag Oklahoma 3,878,000 (28th) 68,594.88 (19th) 56.5 (42nd)

Source: https://www.states101.com/populations

FSDan's report is flights, not seats. UA-coded ERJ/CR2 flights to little nowhere towns in Nebraska, Wyoming et al don't count for much in seats. The UA hub ops at DEN have way more 50-seater flights than IAH.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:37 pm

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Cubsrule wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

This is true. DEN should still pass IAH in departures if the trend continues, but maybe not in number of seats. I believe DEN does have more total destinations than IAH as is though...


The thing people forget about DEN (and SLC for DL) is that it is the "regional hub" for an enormous number of small towns that surround it. Texas is large, but more sparsely populated. UA serves seven cities in Colorado from DEN (plus CNY and VEL, which are just over the state line), six in Wyoming, six in Western Kansas and Nebraska, etc.


Um, no. Look at the fifteen states with the lowest population density and many are proximate to Colorado (Colorado itself is #14, while Texas is #25):

State Population Land Area (sq mi) Density (people per sq mi) ▴
Alaska flag Alaska 737,000 (49th) 570,640.61 (1st) 1.3 (56th)
Wyoming flag Wyoming 584,000 (52nd) 97,093.07 (9th) 6.0 (55th)
Montana flag Montana 1,024,000 (45th) 145,545.78 (4th) 7.0 (54th)
North Dakota flag North Dakota 739,000 (48th) 69,000.67 (17th) 10.7 (53rd)
South Dakota flag South Dakota 853,000 (47th) 75,811.13 (16th) 11.3 (52nd)
New Mexico flag New Mexico 2,086,000 (37th) 121,298.19 (5th) 17.2 (51st)
Idaho flag Idaho 1,634,000 (40th) 82,643.20 (11th) 19.8 (50th)
Nebraska flag Nebraska 1,882,000 (38th) 76,824.26 (15th) 24.5 (49th)
Nevada flag Nevada 2,839,000 (36th) 109,781.15 (7th) 25.9 (48th)
Utah flag Utah 2,943,000 (34th) 82,169.46 (12th) 35.8 (47th)
Kansas flag Kansas 2,904,000 (35th) 81,758.64 (13th) 35.5 (46th)
Oregon flag Oregon 3,970,000 (27th) 95,988.05 (10th) 41.4 (45th)
Maine flag Maine 1,330,000 (42nd) 30,842.99 (39th) 43.1 (44th)
Colorado flag Colorado 5,356,000 (22nd) 103,641.75 (8th) 51.7 (43rd)
Oklahoma flag Oklahoma 3,878,000 (28th) 68,594.88 (19th) 56.5 (42nd)

Source: https://www.states101.com/populations

FSDan's report is flights, not seats. UA-coded ERJ/CR2 flights to little nowhere towns in Nebraska, Wyoming et al don't count for much in seats. The UA hub ops at DEN have way more 50-seater flights than IAH.


Right - that's sort of the point. Low population density tends to mean lots of 50-seater flights to small markets. That helps the destination and flight numbers for DEN but has a much lesser effect on seats and (especially) ASMs. The area around DEN also has a number of smaller airports with decent tourist demand; CNY is a great example. That dynamic is somewhat present on the west coast but largely absent from hubs east of, say, Interstate 35.
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Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:55 pm

July 2019 Destinations:

DEN -
Total: 163
US: 151
Non-US: 12

EWR -
Total: 148
US: 80
Non-US: 68

IAD -
Total: 107
US: 78
Non-US: 29

IAH -
Total: 163
US: 107
Non-US: 56

LAX -
Total: 56
US: 47
Non-US: 9

ORD -
Total: 188
US: 155
Non-US: 33

SFO -
Total: 103
US: 76
Non-US: 27
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:20 pm

I spent a few minutes estimating daily seat totals based on FSDan's data. Here are the numbers.

ORD:
Seats: 67,983
Seats/Flight: 106.7

IAH:
Seats: 59,384
Seats/Flight: 111.4

DEN:
Seats: 54,269
Seats/Flight: 107.7

EWR:
Seats: 54,372
Seats/Flight: 125.9

SFO:
Seats: 48.707
Seats/Flight: 151.3

IAD:
Seats: 28,732
Seats/Flight: 108.0

LAX:
Seats: 22,967
Seats/Flight: 143.5
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:31 pm

I put together maps in Great Circle Mapper to illustrate which destinations are served from each hub on the date I used for data collection. I made maps of the North America service from each hub (so as not to zoom out too much), and then one with a cumulative vision of the routes that go outside the continuous 48 states.

LAX

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IAD

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SFO

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EWR

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DEN

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IAH

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ORD

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Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:37 pm

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Seems like the E170/5SC series and the CRJ550 should make for an interesting recalibration next year in some of these figures.

Also, seems like IAD is just plain underutilized. For all of the real estate and capacity....seems like it is begging for another couple of banks, and more importantly, more outstation connections throughout the south. AA has really been building CLT up, and according to reports from management, doing very well. But I suppose the cost differential of operating out of CLT vs. IAD has some impact?

UA was floating the idea of adding 2 new banks to IAD (from 4 to 6) just a few months ago. There's still a chance it happens, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens sometime soon.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:14 pm

One more map! This one is of weekend-only routes that operate during the summer. I'm slightly less confident in the completeness of this one since the routes are fragmented throughout the network...

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Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:35 pm

N292UX wrote:
sldispatcher wrote:
Seems like the E170/5SC series and the CRJ550 should make for an interesting recalibration next year in some of these figures.

Also, seems like IAD is just plain underutilized. For all of the real estate and capacity....seems like it is begging for another couple of banks, and more importantly, more outstation connections throughout the south. AA has really been building CLT up, and according to reports from management, doing very well. But I suppose the cost differential of operating out of CLT vs. IAD has some impact?

UA was floating the idea of adding 2 new banks to IAD (from 4 to 6) just a few months ago. There's still a chance it happens, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens sometime soon.


I understand this would probably be a 2020-2021 development based on the success of the recent IAD expansion. Early returns are supposedly favorable so I would put this in the category of a likely development.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:17 pm

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DEN

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Whoops... Just realized there's a pretty big typo in the DEN map. I had DEN-PIT-ATY rather than DEN-PIR-ATY. Here's a fixed version:

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Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:01 pm

just recieved word today that UA is looking to add 3 gates at IAD over at the Z concourse. Possibly up to 3 of the 4 gates over there. right now F9 and AC use them.
 
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:28 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
just recieved word today that UA is looking to add 3 gates at IAD over at the Z concourse. Possibly up to 3 of the 4 gates over there. right now F9 and AC use them.


Interesting... I'd love to hear more about how they plan to use them. Just as peak gates for the big mid-afternoon bank? Or more consistent use?
 
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:27 pm

Word I got was for a few early departures and use for the 5PM bank
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:50 am

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DEN: More flights, larger gauge, 50 seaters big increase, more mainline NB, more mainline WB, 70/76 seaters flat


FWIW at least some of the year-over-year increase in Denver 50-seat RJ's comes from more EAS markets this summer than last summer. Prescott, Kearney, Pierre, Watertown are all new this summer versus last, and Vernal may also be a year-over-year add depending on what specific date was used last summer. This summer United appears to have 29 weekday departures serving 17 EAS markets.

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