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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:41 am

Departures by Fleet type by hub/focus city 2019:

1_50 Seat RJ/Prop 395

CR2 395
ATL 120
BOS 0
CVG 17
DTW 86
JFK 19
LAX 0
LGA 18
MSP 85
RDU 6
SEA 0
SLC 44

2_2-Class RJ 939


CR7 110
ATL 12
BOS 0
CVG 11
DTW 52
JFK 0
LAX 0
LGA 0
MSP 16
RDU 10
SEA 0
SLC 9

CR9 469
ATL 90
BOS 17
CVG 26
DTW 113
JFK 59
LAX 0
LGA 62
MSP 69
RDU 26
SEA 0
SLC 7

E70 63
ATL 4
BOS 20
CVG 0
DTW 6
JFK 4
LAX 0
LGA 29
MSP 0
RDU 0
SEA 0
SLC 0

E75 297
ATL 0
BOS 25
CVG 0
DTW 0
JFK 8
LAX 35
LGA 74
MSP 31
RDU 4
SEA 59
SLC 61

3_Small NB 467

221 38
ATL 0
BOS 1
CVG 0
DTW 7
JFK 0
LAX 0
LGA 13
MSP 4
RDU 0
SEA 2
SLC 11

319 143
ATL 2
BOS 3
CVG 0
DTW 28
JFK 9
LAX 2
LGA 20
MSP 48
RDU 0
SEA 4
SLC 27

717 263
ATL 105
BOS 6
CVG 0
DTW 33
JFK 10
LAX 12
LGA 19
MSP 45
RDU 10
SEA 10
SLC 13

73G 23
ATL 22
BOS 0
CVG 1
DTW 0
JFK 0
LAX 0
LGA 0
MSP 0
RDU 0
SEA 0
SLC 0

4_Medium NB 648

320 159
ATL 39
BOS 7
CVG 0
DTW 24
JFK 12
LAX 10
LGA 12
MSP 22
RDU 8
SEA 10
SLC 15

738 183
ATL 42
BOS 10
CVG 20
DTW 2
JFK 9
LAX 22
LGA 3
MSP 15
RDU 3
SEA 26
SLC 31

M88 219
ATL 215
BOS 0
CVG 0
DTW 0
JFK 0
LAX 0
LGA 0
MSP 0
RDU 4
SEA 0
SLC 0

M90 87
ATL 85
BOS 0
CVG 0
DTW 0
JFK 0
LAX 0
LGA 0
MSP 0
RDU 2
SEA 0
SLC 0

5_Large NB 841

321 262
ATL 88
BOS 21
CVG 1
DTW 38
JFK 12
LAX 15
LGA 29
MSP 36
RDU 5
SEA 0
SLC 17

739 319
ATL 111
BOS 3
CVG 3
DTW 28
JFK 33
LAX 30
LGA 0
MSP 43
RDU 1
SEA 37
SLC 30

752 219
ATL 92
BOS 10
CVG 0
DTW 21
JFK 33
LAX 21
LGA 0
MSP 22
RDU 0
SEA 10
SLC 10

753 41
ATL 11
BOS 0
CVG 0
DTW 6
JFK 0
LAX 7
LGA 0
MSP 6
RDU 0
SEA 9
SLC 2

6_Widebody 125

332 9
ATL 1
BOS 1
CVG 0
DTW 2
JFK 5
LAX 0
LGA 0
MSP 0
RDU 0
SEA 0
SLC 0

333 27
ATL 7
BOS 1
CVG 0
DTW 3
JFK 10
LAX 2
LGA 0
MSP 3
RDU 0
SEA 1
SLC 0

339 1
BOS 0
CVG 0
LAX 0
RDU 0
SEA 1

763 42
ATL 7
BOS 4
CVG 1
DTW 6
JFK 9
LAX 4
LGA 0
MSP 1
RDU 1
SEA 5
SLC 4

764 24
ATL 9
BOS 0
CVG 0
DTW 1
JFK 9
LAX 4
LGA 0
MSP 1
RDU 0
SEA 0
SLC 0

772 6
ATL 3
BOS 0
CVG 0
DTW 0
JFK 0
LAX 0
LGA 0
MSP 3
RDU 0
SEA 0
SLC 0

77L 7
ATL 4
BOS 0
CVG 0
DTW 0
JFK 0
LAX 3
LGA 0
MSP 0
RDU 0
SEA 0
SLC 0

359 9
ATL 1
BOS 0
CVG 0
DTW 5
JFK 0
LAX 2
LGA 0
MSP 0
RDU 0
SEA 1
SLC 0

Grand Total 3415
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:46 am

Systemwide by fleet class:
Classification Sum of 2014 Sum of 2018 Sum of 2019
1_50 Seat RJ/Prop 699 402 395
2_2-Class RJ 784 929 939
3_Small NB 286 440 467
4_Medium NB 842 791 648
5_Large NB 385 663 841
6_Widebody 152 118 125
Grand Total 3148 3343 3415
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:54 am

Insight/analysis: (Systemwide for the domestic hubs and focus cities - based on departures)

50 seat RJs is relatively stable '19 vs '18, (-6) but down over 300 departures since '14. -> There has not been a reduction in 50 seat flying since last summer.
2-class RJ's are relatively stable '19 vs '18
Small NB are up slightly, the with the only notable difference in fleet is the induction of C-Series (221); the 14->18 difference is due to the onboarding of 717s

Medium NB is down almost 150 departures 19 vs 18, due to MD-88 retirements and draw-down of the active MD-90 fleet

Large NB is up significantly 19 vs 18 and even 14, due to continued deliveries of 739 & 321s, more than offsetting any 752 retirements between '14 and '18

Widebody is relatively constant 19 vs 18, with the big decrease in 18 vs 14 due to the retirement of the domestic 763s
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:03 am

Themotionman wrote:
EUROPE:

AMSTERDAM (AMS)
A333: 13 (2x ATL;1x BOS; 3x DTW; 1x LAX; 3x MSP; 1x JFK; 1x PDX; 1x SEA)
A359: 1 (1x DTW)
B763: 6 (1x BOS; 1x JFK; 1x MCO; 1x SLC; 1x SEA; 1x TPA)
B772: 1 (1x ATL)
Total: 21

ATHENS (ATH)
A333: 2 (2x JFK)
Total: 2

BARCELONA (BCN)
A333: 1 (1x JFK)
B764 1 (1x ATL)
Total: 2

BERLIN (TXL)
B763: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

BRUSSELS (BRU)
B763: 2 (1x ATL; 1x JFK)
Total: 2

COPENHAGEN (CPH)
B763: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

DUBLIN (DUB)
B763: 1 (1x BOS)
B764: 2 (1x ATL; 1x JFK)
Total: 3

DUSSELDORF (DUS)
B764: 1 (1x ATL)
Total: 1

EDINBURGH (EDI)
B752: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

FRANKFURT (FRA)
B763: 3 (1x ATL; 1x DTW; 1x JFK)
Total: 3

GLASGOW (GLA)
B752: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

LISBON (LIS)
B752: 2 (1x BOS; 1x JFK)
Total: 2

LONDON (HEATHROW (LHR))
A332: 5 (1x ATL; 1x BOS; 1x DTW; 2x JFK)
A333: 1 (1x ATL)
B763: 4 (1x DTW; 1x MSP; 1x PDX; 1x SLC)
Total: 10

MADRID (MAD)
B764: 2 (1x ATL; 1x JFK)
Total: 2

MALAGA (AGP)
B752: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

MILAN (MALPENSA (MXP))
A333: 1 (1x JFK)
B764: 1 (1x ATL)
Total: 2

MUNICH (MUC)
B763: 2 (1x ATL; 1x DTW)
Total: 2

NICE (NCE)
B764: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE (CDG))
A332: 1 (1x JFK)
A333: 1 (1x JFK)
B763: 8 (1x BOS; 1x CVG; 1x IND; 2x DTW; 1x RDU; 1x SLC; 1x SEA)
B77L: 4 (2x ATL; 1x LAX; 1x MSP)
Total: 14

PONTA DELGADA (PDL)
B752: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

REYKJAVIK (KEF)
B752: 2 (1x JFK; 1x MSP)
Total: 2

ROME (FIUMICINO (FCO))
A333: 3 (2x ATL; 1x JFK)
B763: 1 (1x DTW)
Total: 4

SHANNON (SNN)
B752: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1

STUTTGART (STR)
B764: 1 (1x ATL)
Total: 1

VENICE (VCE)
B763: 2 (1x ATL; 1x JFK)
Total: 2

ZURICH (ZRH)
A332: 1 (1x JFK)
B763: 1 (1x ATL)
Total: 2



EDI is 2
1 JFK
1 BOS
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:14 am

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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:10 am

This thread is awesome. Love all the work that everyone is contributing and also thanks to FSDan for doing this each year. Much of us looks forwards to these threads. Now its time to go see what UA and AA have instored for S19.
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:04 am

Themotionman wrote:
EUROPE:

EDINBURGH (EDI)
B752: 1 (1x JFK)
Total: 1


EDI is also served from BOS, so it should be:

EDINBURGH (EDI)
B752: 2 (1x JFK, 1x BOS)
Total: 2
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:44 pm

I want to thank FSDan and acknowledge the flood of additional work and slicing and dicing of data others have done. (By contrast, in the AA thread they're just arguing if JFK is still a hub.) Among others, nice charts, midwestindy.
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:56 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Insight/analysis: (Systemwide for the domestic hubs and focus cities - based on departures)

50 seat RJs is relatively stable '19 vs '18, (-6) but down over 300 departures since '14. -> There has not been a reduction in 50 seat flying since last summer.
2-class RJ's are relatively stable '19 vs '18
Small NB are up slightly, the with the only notable difference in fleet is the induction of C-Series (221); the 14->18 difference is due to the onboarding of 717s

Medium NB is down almost 150 departures 19 vs 18, due to MD-88 retirements and draw-down of the active MD-90 fleet

Large NB is up significantly 19 vs 18 and even 14, due to continued deliveries of 739 & 321s, more than offsetting any 752 retirements between '14 and '18

Widebody is relatively constant 19 vs 18, with the big decrease in 18 vs 14 due to the retirement of the domestic 763s


Thanks for providing all the additional analysis!
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:32 pm

I put together maps in Great Circle Mapper to illustrate which destinations are served from each hub on the date I used for data collection. I made maps of the North America service from each hub (so as not to zoom out too much), and then one with a cumulative vision of the routes that go outside the continuous 48 states.

BOS

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LAX

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SEA

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JFK

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LGA

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SLC

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MSP

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DTW

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ATL

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Global

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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:42 pm

Sort of surprised that DL only has 28 daily departures from AUS, which is less than places like CLE, PIT, and CMH. On the flip side, I'm guessing they're gate constrained at AUS right now, and I know that almost all those departures are mainline. I'd guess that number will increase once they get more gates.
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:50 pm

One more map! This one is of weekend-only routes that operate during the summer. I'm slightly less confident in the completeness of this one since the routes are fragmented throughout the network...

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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:53 pm

N292UX wrote:
Sort of surprised that DL only has 28 daily departures from AUS, which is less than places like CLE, PIT, and CMH. On the flip side, I'm guessing they're gate constrained at AUS right now, and I know that almost all those departures are mainline. I'd guess that number will increase once they get more gates.


One thing to keep in mind is that AUS is very close to 100% mainline (including several A321s to ATL and JFK), while those others see quite a few RJs, albeit mostly large RJs these days. Seat capacity may not be all that different between them.
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:14 pm

PIEAvantiP180 wrote:
Since 15Jul is a Monday MCO is an all mainline station for DL. On Sat DL does a bunch of 1x weekly flights on regional jets to a number of airports around east/midwest US.

MCO
717 3
738 3
739 7
752 26
753 1
763 1
320 4
321 11

Total 56, 100% mainline


Interesting how MCO has 16 more 752 flights than SLC which only has 10. Looks like they've allocated a lot more 739 flying to SLC instead.
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:19 pm

N649DL wrote:
PIEAvantiP180 wrote:
Since 15Jul is a Monday MCO is an all mainline station for DL. On Sat DL does a bunch of 1x weekly flights on regional jets to a number of airports around east/midwest US.

MCO
717 3
738 3
739 7
752 26
753 1
763 1
320 4
321 11

Total 56, 100% mainline


Interesting how MCO has 16 more 752 flights than SLC which only has 10. Looks like they've allocated a lot more 739 flying to SLC instead.


It’s because DL’s redeploying the 757 to flights with shorter stage lengths than the 739 and 321, taking advantage of the economics of the latter. This means that while ATL-SFO (etc.) is all-739/321 (and some 753), ATL-MCO is nearly all-757.
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:40 pm

compensateme wrote:
N649DL wrote:
PIEAvantiP180 wrote:
Since 15Jul is a Monday MCO is an all mainline station for DL. On Sat DL does a bunch of 1x weekly flights on regional jets to a number of airports around east/midwest US.

MCO
717 3
738 3
739 7
752 26
753 1
763 1
320 4
321 11

Total 56, 100% mainline


Interesting how MCO has 16 more 752 flights than SLC which only has 10. Looks like they've allocated a lot more 739 flying to SLC instead.


It’s because DL’s redeploying the 757 to flights with shorter stage lengths than the 739 and 321, taking advantage of the economics of the latter. This means that while ATL-SFO (etc.) is all-739/321 (and some 753), ATL-MCO is nearly all-757.



Yeah figured. Also for the non hub chart there's no EWR but if you add in the new BOS flights starting in the fall it clocks in around 38 daily flights.
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:56 pm

FSDan wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Sort of surprised that DL only has 28 daily departures from AUS, which is less than places like CLE, PIT, and CMH. On the flip side, I'm guessing they're gate constrained at AUS right now, and I know that almost all those departures are mainline. I'd guess that number will increase once they get more gates.


One thing to keep in mind is that AUS is very close to 100% mainline (including several A321s to ATL and JFK), while those others see quite a few RJs, albeit mostly large RJs these days. Seat capacity may not be all that different between them.


Also, keep in mind, DL's network at AUS doesn't align with a lot of departures. For example, routes like AUS-MSP/DTW-XXX don't make sense for a lot of connections. Therefore, they aren't going to run more than 4 or so daily flights on those routes. The only high frequency route is AUS-ATL, which is a given. Compare that to airports like PIT/CMH/PIT which have high frequencies to airports like LGA/DTW/ATL, due to it being very convenient for connections.

Plus, routes like AUS-DEN/PHX/ORD/LAS all require a backtrack on DL, compared to flying AUS-DFW/IAH-XXX on AA or UA.

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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:18 pm

N292UX wrote:
Sort of surprised that DL only has 28 daily departures from AUS, which is less than places like CLE, PIT, and CMH. On the flip side, I'm guessing they're gate constrained at AUS right now, and I know that almost all those departures are mainline. I'd guess that number will increase once they get more gates.


Midwestindy wrote:
Also, keep in mind, DL's network at AUS doesn't align with a lot of departures. For example, routes like AUS-MSP/DTW-XXX don't make sense for a lot of connections. Therefore, they aren't going to run more than 4 or so daily flights on those routes. The only high frequency route is AUS-ATL, which is a given. Compare that to airports like PIT/CMH/PIT which have high frequencies to airports like LGA/DTW/ATL, due to it being very convenient for connections.

Plus, routes like AUS-DEN/PHX/ORD/LAS all require a backtrack on DL, compared to flying AUS-DFW/IAH-XXX on AA or UA.


DL has only 4 gates at AUS right now. Once the expansion is fully finished, they should pick up an additional 4 plus have access to the common use gates that are used for dual boarding international flights, essentially having access to 12 gates overall. This will allow for some significant expansion over what they have now.

People can say what they want, but for the reasons stated above, I expect DL to elevate AUS to the level of RDU/CVG within the next few years, and frankly, it wouldn't surprise me when AUS gets a satellite concourse if it became a mini-hub for the south central US.
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:05 am

If this data is for the entirety of 2019, later this year, i believe in October, MSP to ICN becomes an A359
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:15 am

A333MSPtoAMS wrote:
If this data is for the entirety of 2019, later this year, i believe in October, MSP to ICN becomes an A359


The data is only for one day in the middle of summer (7/15).
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:26 am

Can someone pull ORD and LAS?
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:45 am

airlinedork wrote:
Can someone pull ORD and LAS?


ORD

A321: 1
B738: 3
MD90: 5
A320: 1
MD88: 4
A319: 8
B717: 26
CR9: 7
CR7: 2
CR2: 4

61 Departures

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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:47 am

Fargo wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Sort of surprised that DL only has 28 daily departures from AUS, which is less than places like CLE, PIT, and CMH. On the flip side, I'm guessing they're gate constrained at AUS right now, and I know that almost all those departures are mainline. I'd guess that number will increase once they get more gates.


Midwestindy wrote:
Also, keep in mind, DL's network at AUS doesn't align with a lot of departures. For example, routes like AUS-MSP/DTW-XXX don't make sense for a lot of connections. Therefore, they aren't going to run more than 4 or so daily flights on those routes. The only high frequency route is AUS-ATL, which is a given. Compare that to airports like PIT/CMH/PIT which have high frequencies to airports like LGA/DTW/ATL, due to it being very convenient for connections.

Plus, routes like AUS-DEN/PHX/ORD/LAS all require a backtrack on DL, compared to flying AUS-DFW/IAH-XXX on AA or UA.


DL has only 4 gates at AUS right now. Once the expansion is fully finished, they should pick up an additional 4 plus have access to the common use gates that are used for dual boarding international flights, essentially having access to 12 gates overall. This will allow for some significant expansion over what they have now.

People can say what they want, but for the reasons stated above, I expect DL to elevate AUS to the level of RDU/CVG within the next few years, and frankly, it wouldn't surprise me when AUS gets a satellite concourse if it became a mini-hub for the south central US.


:( That is some wishful thinking
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:47 am

Midwestindy wrote:
airlinedork wrote:
Can someone pull ORD and LAS?


ORD

A321: 1
B738: 3
MD90: 5
A320: 1
MD88: 4
A319: 8
B717: 26
CR9: 7
CR7: 2
CR2: 4

61 Departures

Someone pulled LAS earlier


Thanks! I'll look back for LAS
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:06 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Fargo wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Sort of surprised that DL only has 28 daily departures from AUS, which is less than places like CLE, PIT, and CMH. On the flip side, I'm guessing they're gate constrained at AUS right now, and I know that almost all those departures are mainline. I'd guess that number will increase once they get more gates.


Midwestindy wrote:
Also, keep in mind, DL's network at AUS doesn't align with a lot of departures. For example, routes like AUS-MSP/DTW-XXX don't make sense for a lot of connections. Therefore, they aren't going to run more than 4 or so daily flights on those routes. The only high frequency route is AUS-ATL, which is a given. Compare that to airports like PIT/CMH/PIT which have high frequencies to airports like LGA/DTW/ATL, due to it being very convenient for connections.

Plus, routes like AUS-DEN/PHX/ORD/LAS all require a backtrack on DL, compared to flying AUS-DFW/IAH-XXX on AA or UA.


DL has only 4 gates at AUS right now. Once the expansion is fully finished, they should pick up an additional 4 plus have access to the common use gates that are used for dual boarding international flights, essentially having access to 12 gates overall. This will allow for some significant expansion over what they have now.

People can say what they want, but for the reasons stated above, I expect DL to elevate AUS to the level of RDU/CVG within the next few years, and frankly, it wouldn't surprise me when AUS gets a satellite concourse if it became a mini-hub for the south central US.


:( That is some wishful thinking


Focus city? It's happening (gradually) as soon as the remaining new gates and Sky Club open. And while I'm not holding my breath for a mini-hub, all I am saying it wouldn't surprise me, given Texas's increased stature (it wouldn't be any bigger than 150 flights, just enough for south central US connections that don't work over ATL/SLC).
 
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Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:19 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Fargo wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Sort of surprised that DL only has 28 daily departures from AUS, which is less than places like CLE, PIT, and CMH. On the flip side, I'm guessing they're gate constrained at AUS right now, and I know that almost all those departures are mainline. I'd guess that number will increase once they get more gates.


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Also, keep in mind, DL's network at AUS doesn't align with a lot of departures. For example, routes like AUS-MSP/DTW-XXX don't make sense for a lot of connections. Therefore, they aren't going to run more than 4 or so daily flights on those routes. The only high frequency route is AUS-ATL, which is a given. Compare that to airports like PIT/CMH/PIT which have high frequencies to airports like LGA/DTW/ATL, due to it being very convenient for connections.

Plus, routes like AUS-DEN/PHX/ORD/LAS all require a backtrack on DL, compared to flying AUS-DFW/IAH-XXX on AA or UA.


DL has only 4 gates at AUS right now. Once the expansion is fully finished, they should pick up an additional 4 plus have access to the common use gates that are used for dual boarding international flights, essentially having access to 12 gates overall. This will allow for some significant expansion over what they have now.

People can say what they want, but for the reasons stated above, I expect DL to elevate AUS to the level of RDU/CVG within the next few years, and frankly, it wouldn't surprise me when AUS gets a satellite concourse if it became a mini-hub for the south central US.


:( That is some wishful thinking


I've absolutely no idea what's with people's obsession about AUS anyway. That and one have to consider that WN, being by far the largest carrier in AUS, only has ~80 departures every day.

If DL is going to grow AUS, they could have easily add in another 10 flights or so by now. But they didn't.
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Midwestindy wrote:
Fargo wrote:



DL has only 4 gates at AUS right now. Once the expansion is fully finished, they should pick up an additional 4 plus have access to the common use gates that are used for dual boarding international flights, essentially having access to 12 gates overall. This will allow for some significant expansion over what they have now.

People can say what they want, but for the reasons stated above, I expect DL to elevate AUS to the level of RDU/CVG within the next few years, and frankly, it wouldn't surprise me when AUS gets a satellite concourse if it became a mini-hub for the south central US.


:( That is some wishful thinking


I've absolutely no idea what's with people's obsession about AUS anyway. That and one have to consider that WN, being by far the largest carrier in AUS, only has ~80 departures every day.

If DL is going to grow AUS, they could have easily add in another 10 flights or so by now. But they didn't.


I've absolutely no idea what's with people's obsession with bashing Austin anyway. It's only the fastest growing market in the country that is at the top pole of an emerging mega-region (combined with San Antonio).

Could have easily added in another 10 flights or so? They are waiting for all the gates and their club to open.
 
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Please explain how Austin is "the fastest growing market in the country" and is "an emerging mega region".
 
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Please explain how Austin is "the fastest growing market in the country" and is "an emerging mega region".


https://www.statesman.com/news/20190418/austin-region-fastest-growing-large-metro-in-nation-8-years-running-data-shows

https://patch.com/texas/downtownaustin/census-data-show-austin-metro-area-nations-fastest-growing

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/10/13/the-next-great-american-metropolis-is-taking-shape-in-texas/#313d30b1e2fb

https://www.lawnstarter.com/san-antonio-lawn-care/what-will-austin-san-antonio-corridor-look-like-2030

https://therivardreport.com/commentary-san-antonio-austin-megaregion-isnt-just-down-the-road/

Combined, the Austin-San Antonio region is a catchment area of almost 5 million people and growing. So yes, there are reasons to be excited about AUS future potential. It's not some insignificant region like some people on here pretend it is.
 
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Fargo wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Fargo wrote:



DL has only 4 gates at AUS right now. Once the expansion is fully finished, they should pick up an additional 4 plus have access to the common use gates that are used for dual boarding international flights, essentially having access to 12 gates overall. This will allow for some significant expansion over what they have now.

People can say what they want, but for the reasons stated above, I expect DL to elevate AUS to the level of RDU/CVG within the next few years, and frankly, it wouldn't surprise me when AUS gets a satellite concourse if it became a mini-hub for the south central US.


:( That is some wishful thinking


Focus city? It's happening (gradually) as soon as the remaining new gates and Sky Club open. And while I'm not holding my breath for a mini-hub, all I am saying it wouldn't surprise me, given Texas's increased stature (it wouldn't be any bigger than 150 flights, just enough for south central US connections that don't work over ATL/SLC).


Objectively, there is no evidence to support that DL intends to significantly grow Austin/turn it into a focus city. For starters, ATL, SEA and LAX primarily grew by relocating capacity from elsewhere in the network. There’s nothing to relocate to AUS — it’s have to be organic growth, and it’s incredibly unlikely DL would inject that much new capacity into the domestic network.
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Midwestindy wrote:

:( That is some wishful thinking


Focus city? It's happening (gradually) as soon as the remaining new gates and Sky Club open. And while I'm not holding my breath for a mini-hub, all I am saying it wouldn't surprise me, given Texas's increased stature (it wouldn't be any bigger than 150 flights, just enough for south central US connections that don't work over ATL/SLC).


Objectively, there is no evidence to support that DL intends to significantly grow Austin/turn it into a focus city. For starters, ATL, SEA and LAX primarily grew by relocating capacity from elsewhere in the network. There’s nothing to relocate to AUS — it’s have to be organic growth, and it’s incredibly unlikely DL would inject that much new capacity into the domestic network.


They are building a new Sky Club with a new Sky Deck. They wouldn't do that if they intended on remaining in fourth place. They are insourcing the ground handling services, something they also did at RDU, an official focus city. Not doing that if they intend on staying at 28 flights. There are a ton of new narrowbody jets coming online within the next 5 or so years, and upgauging elsewhere will allow them to shift around capacity. And as said, they will have access to up to 12 gates once the new extension is fully up and running. That said, it's not going to be an overnight thing, it will take a few years for everything to get fully up and running.

I knew I'd get heat for opening this debate again, but I believe it will happen. A lot of people on here are going to be eating their words in the not too distant future.......
 
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B739: 7
B738: 5
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A319: 5
B717: 3
CR9: 1

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Can someone pull ORD and LAS?


I’m surprised no one has pulled PDX, unless I missed it. It has up to 3x overseas flights. Can someone please show that.
 
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Fargo wrote:
compensateme wrote:
Fargo wrote:

Focus city? It's happening (gradually) as soon as the remaining new gates and Sky Club open. And while I'm not holding my breath for a mini-hub, all I am saying it wouldn't surprise me, given Texas's increased stature (it wouldn't be any bigger than 150 flights, just enough for south central US connections that don't work over ATL/SLC).


Objectively, there is no evidence to support that DL intends to significantly grow Austin/turn it into a focus city. For starters, ATL, SEA and LAX primarily grew by relocating capacity from elsewhere in the network. There’s nothing to relocate to AUS — it’s have to be organic growth, and it’s incredibly unlikely DL would inject that much new capacity into the domestic network.


They are building a new Sky Club with a new Sky Deck. They wouldn't do that if they intended on remaining in fourth place. They are insourcing the ground handling services, something they also did at RDU, an official focus city. Not doing that if they intend on staying at 28 flights. There are a ton of new narrowbody jets coming online within the next 5 or so years, and upgauging elsewhere will allow them to shift around capacity. And as said, they will have access to up to 12 gates once the new extension is fully up and running. That said, it's not going to be an overnight thing, it will take a few years for everything to get fully up and running.

I knew I'd get heat for opening this debate again, but I believe it will happen. A lot of people on here are going to be eating their words in the not too distant future.......


You’re getting heat because you declared it’s happening, despite having no concrete evidence to support the assertion. There’s SkyClubs at MSY and BNA, stations similar in size to AUS as it is. DL claimed AUS was the #1 station in which its incumbent FF base was requesting a SkyClub — in other words, DL may be building a club primarily to retain butts on DL metal, not grow them. And in sourcing? DL isn’t unionized, so you can’t draw a conclusion.

It’s OK to say you believe DL will build a focus city at AUS, and share your reasoning, but you’re going to take heat if you keep declaring its a done deal.
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airlinedork wrote:
Can someone pull ORD and LAS?


I’m surprised no one has pulled PDX, unless I missed it. It has up to 3x overseas flights. Can someone please show that.


A333: 1
B763: 2
B739: 20
B738: 4
A320: 2
A319: 1
B712: 4
E175: 6

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Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:17 am

Thank goodness for this excellent thread. FSDan thanks for starting it and compiling so much information, and also kudos to PSU.DTW.SCE for added detail.

Its hard to tell given the different scales of the operation, but which hub has grown the most due do upgauging? I don't mean which hub has the most new seats, but rather which has the most growth in seats per departure?

Also, PSU.DTW.SCE's later charts here make me think a lot about the A220-500. The small and large narrowbody fleets are all set. But with the large T-tails on the way out, and many of the A320s quite old, there is certainly a window there for a GTF-powered 150 seater that is better optimized for short haul than a 320N.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:54 am

Regarding Austin, if you plot out the weekday flow this summer there are many points during the day they could add flights if they so chose.

Of their 28 departures 10 of them are morning originators. So they do a lot of towing in the morning, but once you get past 8:15am there are only 18 more departures through the rest of the day using those four gates. Let's call 'em A, B, C and D. If you plot the most efficient gate usage (while giving no less than 30-ish minutes between scheduled departure and the next scheduled arrival) you get this gate usage in AUS after 8:15am:

Gate A has 6 more departures, with two gaps of 90 or more minutes sitting idle
Gate B has 5 more departures, with three gaps of 90 or more minutes sitting idle
Gate C has 5 more departures, with four gaps of 90 or more minutes sitting idle
Gate D is empty between 6:05am and 12:18pm, between 1:24pm and 5:13pm and after 5:58pm

So Delta could add quite a few more flights before they truly max out their gates. It does appear that one of these Delta gates may occasionally serve someone else's flight such as Alaska. And you don't want zero slack where a 45 minute ATC delay to JFK sends you into chaos. But if they wanted they could readily add a 4th flight to DTW, or MSP or LAX or SLC, or they could add a second flight to SEA, or CVG or RDU flight. Or maybe add a flight to LAS, or MCO, or MSY, etc. They could. On the flipside if they do want to add a bunch of new major markets they probably don't want to have to squeeze those flights into the open gaps. Having more gates would allow a better schedule than trying to squeeze 10+ departures out of every gate.

Austin is indeed growing like a weed, though adding in SAT to make the region bigger is not especially helpful because it has its own well-served domestic airport. But even as AUS grows it's not like others are just sitting on their hands letting Delta get that growth. Seemingly every route planner has a woody about the AUS rate of population growth and anybody who seeks to capture that growth can expect to be challenged from multiple directions.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:59 am

Midwestindy wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
airlinedork wrote:
Can someone pull ORD and LAS?


I’m surprised no one has pulled PDX, unless I missed it. It has up to 3x overseas flights. Can someone please show that.


A333: 1
B763: 2
B739: 20
B738: 4
A320: 2
A319: 1
B712: 4
E175: 6

40 Departures


Yes, I knew RDU was becoming a mini-hub for Delta. The A333, the only one of the day, must be coming from AMS, if not AMS, CDG. One of the two . The two 763s, they are also probably going to CDG and/or AMS.
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Midwestindy wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

I’m surprised no one has pulled PDX, unless I missed it. It has up to 3x overseas flights. Can someone please show that.


A333: 1
B763: 2
B739: 20
B738: 4
A320: 2
A319: 1
B712: 4
E175: 6

40 Departures


Yes, I knew RDU was becoming a mini-hub for Delta. The A333, the only one of the day, must be coming from AMS, if not AMS, CDG. One of the two . The two 763s, they are also probably going to CDG and/or AMS.


The numbers you're looking at are actually for PDX, not RDU. The 333 is indeed going to AMS, and the two 763s are going to LHR and NRT.
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Midwestindy wrote:
airlinedork wrote:
Can someone pull ORD and LAS?


ORD

A321: 1
B738: 3
MD90: 5
A320: 1
MD88: 4
A319: 8
B717: 26
CR9: 7
CR7: 2
CR2: 4

61 Departures

Someone pulled LAS earlier


Thanks! I'll look back for LAS


Here are the LAS numbers again, for convenience:

E75: 14
717: 1
738: 7
739: 10
321: 22
752: 1
753: 1

Total = 56
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Where does DFW fit into this? Surely there are more than 14 daily departures from DFW?
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Where does DFW fit into this? Surely there are more than 14 daily departures from DFW?


Here is a more comprehensive list, including the hubs I believe these are the largest 50 stations for DL in terms of departures (give or take some of the ones at the end like PBI, BDL, and CDG):

ORD will be larger by September, I think up to 66 departures
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:57 pm

Hey Midwestindy,

GREAT charts!!! Do Honolulu and/or Anchorage fit into those charts?
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Hey Midwestindy,

GREAT charts!!! Do Honolulu and/or Anchorage fit into those charts?


I believe HNL just didn't make the list with 13 departures.

But in terms of Widebody departures, it is larger than any of the non-hubs by a wide margin.

ANC is at 11 departures
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:44 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
BroadwayLimited wrote:
Hey Midwestindy,

GREAT charts!!! Do Honolulu and/or Anchorage fit into those charts?


I believe HNL just didn't make the list with 13 departures.

But in terms of Widebody departures, it is larger than any of the non-hubs by a wide margin.

ANC is at 11 departures


Here's the breakdown for each:

HNL

739: 2
752: 1
753: 3
763: 4
764: 3


ANC

738: 1
739: 9
752: 1
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Where does DFW fit into this? Surely there are more than 14 daily departures from DFW?


DFW's a pretty interesting one:

CR9: 6
E75: 5
221: 19
320: 16

Total = 46

More A220s than any one of the hubs.
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FSDan wrote:
fanoftristars wrote:
Where does DFW fit into this? Surely there are more than 14 daily departures from DFW?


DFW's a pretty interesting one:

CR9: 6
E75: 5
221: 19
320: 16

Total = 46

More A220s than any one of the hubs.


I have
A320: 21
A220: 19
E175: 5
CR900: 6

I think you missed 4xA320 to LAX and 1xA320 to DTW
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:08 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
FSDan wrote:
fanoftristars wrote:
Where does DFW fit into this? Surely there are more than 14 daily departures from DFW?


DFW's a pretty interesting one:

CR9: 6
E75: 5
221: 19
320: 16

Total = 46

More A220s than any one of the hubs.


I have
A320: 21
A220: 19
E175: 5
CR900: 6

I think you missed 4xA320 to LAX and 1xA320 to DTW


For the 320s, I had 4x LAX + 1x DTW + 11x ATL = 16.
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:13 pm

FSDan wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
FSDan wrote:

DFW's a pretty interesting one:

CR9: 6
E75: 5
221: 19
320: 16

Total = 46

More A220s than any one of the hubs.


I have
A320: 21
A220: 19
E175: 5
CR900: 6

I think you missed 4xA320 to LAX and 1xA320 to DTW


For the 320s, I had 4x LAX + 1x DTW + 11x ATL = 16.


Ah I see, you were right
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Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:14 pm

BUF/ROC/SYR/ALB:

BUF:
1 MD90
4 MD88
2 B717
14 CR9
2 E70
1 CR7

24 total (2,247 seats per day)

ROC:
3 B717
1 A319
1 B738
6 CR9
1 E75
1 E70
1 CR7
1 CR2

15 total (1,342 seats per day)

SYR:
2 MD90
1 MD88
1 A319
4 CR9
2 E75S
3 CR2
1 CR7

14 total (1,260 seats per day)

ALB:
3 MD88
2 A319
4 CR9

9 total (1,015 seats per day)
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