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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:29 pm

Prepack administration anyone? I wouldn't put it past any of the parties involved...
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:31 pm

pdp wrote:
Prepack administration anyone? I wouldn't put it past any of the parties involved...


I suspect so, let's see what the Virgin Connect machine does next ? Flybe however would appear to be over.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:34 pm

Well now we know why Virgin wasn't over keen to slap on its branding just yet. I think it will be pretty disgraceful if the inevitable scooping up of assets by Virgin, Stobart, Cyrus or whoever else happens at rock bottom prices, but equally I don't agree that the Connect consortium should just pump a load of money into the business to save it over and over with big issues like passenger duty make the model simply unsustainable. No one knows exactly what has gone on behind the scenes, but this is an airline that has been mismanaged for years - maybe irreversible damage was already done before Connect, maybe not. Incredibly sad either way, had some great flights with BE.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:35 pm

Another bites the dust. Sad. Whatever happened with the whole Virgin Connect thing?
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:39 pm

I assume that any contractor company which takes over routes will not be protected from Easyjet and Ryanair as the two big boys will have just as much right to compete for the routes they think can fill an A319 or 737.
 
pdp
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:41 pm

leghorn wrote:
I assume that any contractor company which takes over routes will not be protected from Easyjet and Ryanair as the two big boys will have just as much right to compete for the routes they think can fill an A319 or 737.


easyJet were already due to start Edinburgh and Glasgow to BHX, at a third of the price of FlyBE!
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:41 pm

It’s not over till it’s over, I guess.
Remember the same speculation about Monarch in 2016
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:43 pm

leghorn wrote:
I assume that any contractor company which takes over routes will not be protected from Easyjet and Ryanair as the two big boys will have just as much right to compete for the routes they think can fill an A319 or 737.


Probably, but that's a big capacity jump meaning frequencies would drop to balance it out. If BE weren't filling their planes with profitable passengers will U2 and FR with even bigger ones? It's very sad and will leave a large hole in the UK Internal network. As bad as this has been handled, I hope something better comes out of it. time will tell sadly.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:44 pm

pdp wrote:
leghorn wrote:
I assume that any contractor company which takes over routes will not be protected from Easyjet and Ryanair as the two big boys will have just as much right to compete for the routes they think can fill an A319 or 737.


easyJet were already due to start Edinburgh and Glasgow to BHX, at a third of the price of FlyBE!

Yes, but competition office will not be interested in protecting or able to protect a new entrant whereas for FlyBE could have claimed that Easyjet or Ryanair were swamping them on a route. A pre-pack liquidation probably doesn't get protection either.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:54 pm

Wow, Belfast City airport is SO screwed!
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:54 pm

No doomsday charter requests as of yet. But I suppose it wouldn’t necessary for Flybe for the CAA to organise a superhuman repatriation again.

I eagerly await someone screenshotting a HiFly A380 heading to “N/A” and telling us it’s going to operate out of SOU tomorrow
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:55 pm

Please do. Get a video if poss. The last dash into MAN just flew over my house on its way BHD-MAN.

The absolute last flight looks to be BEE3BU into LHR though.

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BEE9DV looks to be the last one if reports are true. Hanover to MAN. I live near man, might nick out to see it.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 pm

Quick question - if a ticket was bought and told it was an Air France flight operated by Flybe by a codeshare what happens. WIll Air France just move onto a new flight?
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:58 pm

BE114 is going to make it from AMS-BHX, BE329 too from Aberdeen, but BE795 - GLA and BE855 - EDI show on the BHX board as still expected, but flightradar24 is showing them as cancelled.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:58 pm

Stobart Air E190 currently flying from BHD-DUB. Can’t be good
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:04 pm

sbworcs wrote:
Quick question - if a ticket was bought and told it was an Air France flight operated by Flybe by a codeshare what happens. WIll Air France just move onto a new flight?


Yes, though it may be a different airport - friend of mine had a Lufthansa codeshare on BMI from Bristol when they went pop, after Lufty were initially unhelpful they eventually were rebooked from Heathrow
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:04 pm

sbworcs wrote:
Quick question - if a ticket was bought and told it was an Air France flight operated by Flybe by a codeshare what happens. WIll Air France just move onto a new flight?


It sounds like you have bought an Air France ticket and if that's the case, it is Air France's responsibility to put you on a new flight and if that is not possible to offer you reimbursement. If your ticket number starts with the 057 prefix you should be safe.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:04 pm

The BBC news has just shown the maintenance engineers at Exeter wheeling their tool boxes out of the hangar and loading them in their cars.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:07 pm

Whilst it is tremendously sad that so many people will lose their jobs, the FlyBe business model over the last decade or so has been one of consistent poor strategy, predatory activity towards all other smaller UK operators and, frankly, utter ineptitude.

Jim French set the business up for a fall, and Saad Hamad knocked it out of the damn park. The latter couldn't even tell investors what sort of planes FlyBe flew. Absolutely moronic and a complete wasted opportunity.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:08 pm

It sounds like you have bought an Air France ticket and if that's the case, it is Air France's responsibility to put you on a new flight and if that is not possible to offer you reimbursement. If your ticket number starts with the 057 prefix you should be safe.


Yes, though it may be a different airport - friend of mine had a Lufthansa codeshare on BMI from Bristol when they went pop, after Lufty were initially unhelpful they eventually were rebooked from Heathrow


Thanks both. Will check and see.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:09 pm

on their website can still book flights and pay for them !! lys /man end of june it was a flight i had intended to use with my son but with all the things with BE and now corvid-19 thank F i didn't ,like norwegain will they still be here after corona ?
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:10 pm

And Christine Jeanne Ourmières-Widener gets the gold medal for sheer bone-headed stupidity. Trying to compete on the Scotland N. Isles routes with Loganair was madness.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:10 pm

BE378 has finally been allowed to leave, refuelled and just departed MAN for EXT with a full load.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:12 pm

What will happen to Flybes Heathrow slots? Back to BA who I believe are the underlying owner.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:20 pm

Sad to see, pretty sure, the coronavirus is not responsible for the collapse, but it is the last nail in the coffin, so the end comes now.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:21 pm

Arion640 wrote:
What will happen to Flybes Heathrow slots? Back to BA who I believe are the underlying owner.

There were mentions that FlyBe is about to become owner of these slots, via grandfathering of sorts. March 1 was mentioned as a cutoff date, but I am not sure; someone more knowledgeable would be able to say more precisely.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:27 pm

Flybe collapse is really deserving of its own thread.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:28 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
What will happen to Flybes Heathrow slots? Back to BA who I believe are the underlying owner.

There were mentions that FlyBe is about to become owner of these slots, via grandfathering of sorts. March 1 was mentioned as a cutoff date, but I am not sure; someone more knowledgeable would be able to say more precisely.


Hopefully this is the correct link, but reply #351 has some information.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420683&start=350#p21941603
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:40 pm

Looks like the MAN to EXT flight will be the final one to touch down, it's just about to go over me on the Glideslope - the EDI - LHR is establishing now
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:40 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Flybe collapse is really deserving of its own thread.


This is the thread. It basically lists the attempts to save it and now the discussion about the end. Go to the last page to see the latest without reading it all.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:42 pm

EDI-LHR and MAN-EXT are competing to be the last one. It will probably be all over in 5 minutes
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:43 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
What will happen to Flybes Heathrow slots? Back to BA who I believe are the underlying owner.

There were mentions that FlyBe is about to become owner of these slots, via grandfathering of sorts. March 1 was mentioned as a cutoff date, but I am not sure; someone more knowledgeable would be able to say more precisely.


Hopefully this is the correct link, but reply #351 has some information.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420683&start=350#p21941603

Thanks a lot!
As per this:
JobsaGoodun wrote:
3AWM wrote:
The slots don't have any intrinsic value until March 2020.

In order for the previous shareholders to realise this value they would have had to put in sufficient working capital to cover the airline's losses until then. As I understand it Flybe has actually lost more money than anticipated as such they need more working capital to get to March which is why the investing partners don't want to put more in.


Apologies for previous, I meant to correct the view that the slots have a monetary value. As per the commitments, they cannot be sold or transferred to another operator. If Flybe decide not to use them any longer then they return to IAG.

1.3.3 Grandfathering is subject to approval of the Commission, advised by the Monitoring Trustee, in accordance with Clause 1.4. The Commission’s approval shall be conditional on the Prospective Entrant committing that if it ceases to use the Slots in question for the purposes described in Clause 1.3.2, it will return the Slots in question to IAG or, if IAG does not want the return of the Slots, to the slot coordinator.


In case of bankruptcy, the difference between slots having value for creditors and having no value for creditors is an "approval of the Commission". I feel a lot of expensive lawyers expect to bill a lot of hours, over debating and challenging this point.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:44 pm

Its MAN to EXT is the last one in the air https://www.flightradar24.com/BEE6LW/24139f97 - I can hear a Helicopter so it may be given an extended final if the Air Ambulance/Police Chopper are active
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:50 pm

2 Manchester flights just has impounded paperwork removed and are clear to go. See tweets from pax onboard.
https://twitter.com/hannahmiley89/statu ... 93160?s=21

https://twitter.com/hollyhnews/status/1 ... 33057?s=21
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:50 pm

Flybe website seems to have been taken offline now. Keep getting an error message when loading.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:52 pm

Very unfortunate advert on the last flight

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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:54 pm

EDIGLA18 wrote:
Flybe website seems to have been taken offline now. Keep getting an error message when loading.


Yeah, website is definitely down. its not working for me either
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:54 pm

EDIGLA18 wrote:
Flybe website seems to have been taken offline now. Keep getting an error message when loading.


I'm getting errors too when trying to load. Only 20 minutes ago it was going to sell me a flight. Have had some good flights with them and if gone will be a shame.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:54 pm

Where is that aircraft heading to? Looks like a mistake to me.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:59 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Where is that aircraft heading to? Looks like a mistake to me.


FR24 often loses tracking in that area, the terrain is quite lumpy, sometimes they pop back up halfway down the ILS but this one next reported on the ground. Didn't see it because there is a layer of low cloud over Exeter at the moment
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
What will happen to Flybes Heathrow slots? Back to BA who I believe are the underlying owner.

There were mentions that FlyBe is about to become owner of these slots, via grandfathering of sorts. March 1 was mentioned as a cutoff date, but I am not sure; someone more knowledgeable would be able to say more precisely.


Hopefully this is the correct link, but reply #351 has some information.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420683&start=350#p21941603


Slot dates are usually defined by the start dates for the summer and winter seasons, these being 28th March and 25th October this year

March 1st would not be a valid date
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:00 pm

Flybe has collapsed
King B
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:01 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
What will happen to Flybes Heathrow slots? Back to BA who I believe are the underlying owner.

There were mentions that FlyBe is about to become owner of these slots, via grandfathering of sorts. March 1 was mentioned as a cutoff date, but I am not sure; someone more knowledgeable would be able to say more precisely.


Hopefully this is the correct link, but reply #351 has some information.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420683&start=350#p21941603


Slot dates are usually defined by the start dates for the summer and winter seasons, these being 28th March and 25th October this year

March 1st would not be a valid date
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:06 pm

Staff being told not to report to work tomorrow apparently. Sympathy to all employees
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:06 pm

It’s not over yet.
G-ECOD just departed MAN for ABZ with a full load.
 
icelander
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:08 pm

3 in the air now, all from MAN, to BHD, EDI and ABZ
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:08 pm

Website seems to have been taken down
 
mattyfitzg
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:19 pm

Blue Islands appear to have stepped in it, and have confirmed Flybe will cease tonight
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:24 pm

That's the aforementioned press release. I doubt that the administrators are impressed....:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESTR5RSWAAA ... ame=medium
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:29 pm

vfw614 wrote:
That's the aforementioned press release. I doubt that the administrators are impressed....:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESTR5RSWAAA ... ame=medium


And if Blue Islands aren't affected by the administration, I doubt they give two ticks of a crap about what the administrators think...
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