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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:51 am

Raptormodeller wrote:
So what's going to happen with Air France codeshare flights? Will those operated by flybe aircraft now be operated by the AF fleet or what?


They will be rebooked on AF/KL/VS/DL flights to their final destination, possibly from a different UK airport, like MAN, LBA or HUY instead of DSA, for example. Some ERJ/CRJ might be upgraded to mainline, but between AF and KL there is very good UK coverage via CDG or AMS, so while individual routings might change, VS, AF, KL, (same for EY and EI) customers will get where they have booked. IF they are ticketed by airlines other than flyBe.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:59 am

At the right price\lease rate the likes of Spicejet could hoover up a large number of them, refit with new lockers and more seats all done through Indian MROs.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:00 am

downtown273 wrote:
Could British Airways (through IAG > Iberia > Air Nostrum) start picking up any potential profitable routes? It looks like YW have some CRJ's stored.


Unlikely I'd say. It's worth remembering BA sold the BA Connect business to Flybe over a decade ago. If it was profitable they wouldn't have sold it or opened their own competing routes like they did after GB Airways was sold to easyJet.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:01 am

downtown273 wrote:
Could British Airways (through IAG > Iberia > Air Nostrum) start picking up any potential profitable routes? It looks like YW have some CRJ's stored.


Air Nostrum is not IAG though. If they have to get an external contractor to do the job, they may as well consider other ACMI operators. There is plenty of capacity at most.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:01 am

leghorn wrote:
Zaf wrote:
crownvic wrote:
What happens to airports like Newquay??? Will anyone fill the gap?


Flying to places with a small population could be the reason they are bankrupt. NQY should be connected by train from LON. better for the environment too.

An 86 seater Q400 could be filled daily from any decent sized population centre in the UK at reasonable fares and doesn't guzzle gas on a per seat basis.
Their debt overhang brought them down, not the Q400s. Those Q400s will find similar usage elsewhere in well managed companies and continue shuttling passengers around cheaply and in an environmentally friendly manner.


I think this is the point - there is clearly a demand for regional flying in the U.K. just not in the way FlyBe did it.

A new business unburdened by legacy issues should likely emerge, but whether it looks like FlyBe was or Connect might have been or something completely different remains to be seen.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:02 am

Sadly I don’t think the future is looking great for BHD. Their 100 or so daily arrivals and departures now look more like 10.

Unless their is a rescue of the BE operations then the future of two airports for Belfast looks very unlikely.

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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:02 am

Boeing74741R wrote:
downtown273 wrote:
Could British Airways (through IAG > Iberia > Air Nostrum) start picking up any potential profitable routes? It looks like YW have some CRJ's stored.


Unlikely I'd say. It's worth remembering BA sold the BA Connect business to Flybe over a decade ago. If it was profitable they wouldn't have sold it or opened their own competing routes like they did after GB Airways was sold to easyJet.

IAG's involvement will probably be through Aer Lingus for Irish routes that Aer Lingus doesn't want to fall to another operator.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:04 am

Perhaps Easyjet should create a UK regional division, paint the Q400's bright orange and call it Easy(prop). A great way to get their brand into LHR quickly.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:10 am

The management using the virus as an excuse is just pathetic. Just be honest, oh wait... management won’t ever blame themselves even with hefty bonuses. Flybe has collapsed due to the complete and utter mismanagement of the company and incompetent people above. Such a same for all staff who’ve lost their jobs
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:15 am

KingB123 wrote:
The management using the virus as an excuse is just pathetic. Just be honest, oh wait... management won’t ever blame themselves even with hefty bonuses. Flybe has collapsed due to the complete and utter mismanagement of the company and incompetent people above. Such a same for all staff who’ve lost their jobs


Because the current management are not the ones that got them into this position. It was the two or three regimes before that caused Flybe to be in the hole they were when connect took over. Don't get me wrong connect possibly could have done a bit more but they are not the ones to blame for this.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:15 am

Here is the updated Twitter statement because the other statement was deleted by the airline.

https://twitter.com/flybe/status/1235482680428564480
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:15 am

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Response from VS


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£135 Million. That is an Audacious claim to make. The company wouldn't have seen a fraction of that invested in it.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:26 am

leghorn wrote:
IAG's involvement will probably be through Aer Lingus for Irish routes that Aer Lingus doesn't want to fall to another operator.


Interesting thought.

Is there any potential for Aer Lingus Regional to set up a significant base at BHD and pick up some of BE's routes?

That would be quite a political statement to make.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:27 am

I guess Ryanair and Easyjet won't make big announcements about expanision in UK to cover FlyBE until after the budget.
It is unlikely that the Government want to surrender the £26 per return flight for APD.
It is a case that often the big airports, security checks and government are making more out of a 50 euro flight than they do.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:33 am

BE also have most international flights to Ireland and France. But the airports loosing another British airline resulting in reduction flights to UK.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/flights-s ... ses-977786

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/economi ... 1583403750
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:37 am

German and Dutch news says that Flybe passengers was also affected at AMS and most German airports. They (those that are British or not) must look for alternatives after the British carrier went administration.

https://www.airliners.de/britischer-reg ... rieb/54064

https://www.noordhollandsdagblad.nl/cnt ... t-gestaakt
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:38 am

Aer Lingus have the deal with Stobart. They have the experience to pick and chose routes from Ireland which may be of interest to them or just pass on the whole lot.

https://www.independent.ie/business/iri ... 08674.html
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:50 am

I wouldn’t be surprised if KL starts some new flights to the UK on short notice. To i.e. Southampton FlyBe had 5 flights a day which were mostly full. KL must have recources available due to coronavirus related cancellations.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:12 am

What was theyr main and maybe profitable routes, that can rather quickly be assumed to be taken over by others?
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:50 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
I think this is the point - there is clearly a demand for regional flying in the U.K. just not in the way FlyBe did it.

A new business unburdened by legacy issues should likely emerge, but whether it looks like FlyBe was or Connect might have been or something completely different remains to be seen.

I wouldn't be too sure. A couple of regional / niche carriers folded in central Europe over the past few years but no replacement is in sight. InterSky, Cirrus Airlines, Germania, OLT Express, BMI regional, EuroLOT ... all gone. Meanwhile, the legacies are retiring all <90 seat aircraft, keeping the E-190 as their smallest jet (or E-175 in some cases).

The only remaining point-to-point flights are either low-frequency on LCC's or high-yield routes with 19-seat BAe-31 or Beech 1900D.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:55 am

Just found on Twitter that BA, EasyJet is offering free for Flybe staff member. Not sure about Flybe’s customer yet.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:55 am

Jetty wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if KL starts some new flights to the UK on short notice. To i.e. Southampton FlyBe had 5 flights a day which were mostly full. KL must have recources available due to coronavirus related cancellations.


Only if KLM get's their hands on FlyBE slots, otherwise no rooom for expansion.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:05 pm

FlyRow wrote:
Jetty wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if KL starts some new flights to the UK on short notice. To i.e. Southampton FlyBe had 5 flights a day which were mostly full. KL must have recources available due to coronavirus related cancellations.


Only if KLM get's their hands on FlyBE slots, otherwise no rooom for expansion.

KL has enough own slots available due to cancellations right now. Also if nobody buys FlyBe (as a whole, AMS slots aren’t for sale separately) slots go back to the pool and KL is entitled to at least 25% of them according to slot distribution regulations.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:29 pm

downtown273 wrote:
leghorn wrote:
IAG's involvement will probably be through Aer Lingus for Irish routes that Aer Lingus doesn't want to fall to another operator.


Interesting thought.

Is there any potential for Aer Lingus Regional to set up a significant base at BHD and pick up some of BE's routes?

That would be quite a political statement to make.


There's potential for sure. The Belfast-Rest of UK market is huge and there's plenty of room for somebody else to step in. To give you a scale of the very big hole Flybe's demise has left at BHD, it accounted for around 80% of flights. I believe MAN and BHX were the second and third biggest routes in terms of passenger numbers from BHD.

I can't see all of that being replaced like-for-like, but there's potential for replacements at BHD for somebody else to step in and also nearby at BFS if easyJet and Ryanair are able to schedule extra flights in the coming weeks and months. Not everyone is going to want to travel by ferry from Birkenhead for 8 hours or drive to Cairnryan as alternatives, nor will people think to travel to DUB or LDY instead.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:34 pm

It's very difficult to discern anything that the new management proactively did to try and prevent this from happening other than holding their tin out to the UK government and shaking it expectantly.

Given that, in their management machinating post-takeover, they had offshored the entire operation to various tax havens, that's pretty suspect behaviour.

Is there a market for regional air travel in the UK? Undoubtedly. It will be interesting to see what/who the successor is, but there will doubtless be one. The focus has to be on key markets and manageable, consolidated growth rather than shooting for the stars and looking for big payoffs.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:40 pm

f4f3a wrote:
What routes did they operate from Southampton? Can't find info now on wiki. Going to hit small regional airports hard . Hope eastern or Logan can fill the gap


Top of my head their routes ex-SOU included:
BHD
MAN
ABZ
GLA
EDI
NCL
JER - at least some operated by Blue Islands, so still operating
AMS
PAR
IOM may have been flown direct, but I'm not sure.
I'll have missed a few.
At times there were Flybe services to a number of points in Europe, but I think most of those had already stopped.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:41 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
f4f3a wrote:
What routes did they operate from Southampton? Can't find info now on wiki. Going to hit small regional airports hard . Hope eastern or Logan can fill the gap


Top of my head their routes ex-SOU included:
BHD
MAN
ABZ
GLA
EDI
NCL
JER - at least some operated by Blue Islands, so still operating
AMS
PAR
IOM may have been flown direct, but I'm not sure.
I'll have missed a few.
At times there were Flybe services to a number of points in Europe, but I think most of those had already stopped.

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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:43 pm

mxaxai wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
I think this is the point - there is clearly a demand for regional flying in the U.K. just not in the way FlyBe did it.

A new business unburdened by legacy issues should likely emerge, but whether it looks like FlyBe was or Connect might have been or something completely different remains to be seen.

I wouldn't be too sure. A couple of regional / niche carriers folded in central Europe over the past few years but no replacement is in sight. InterSky, Cirrus Airlines, Germania, OLT Express, BMI regional, EuroLOT ... all gone. Meanwhile, the legacies are retiring all <90 seat aircraft, keeping the E-190 as their smallest jet (or E-175 in some cases).

The only remaining point-to-point flights are either low-frequency on LCC's or high-yield routes with 19-seat BAe-31 or Beech 1900D.


Agreed - I am certainly not saying that it is a certainty. Aside from the legacy problems created by FlyBe over the years, the issue of APD remains a problem to a commercial enterprise. It would significantly limit what is achievable for a FlyBe type operator.

On balance, I think it is more likely than not that a partial replacement will appear on the scene, but that might take some time in the present climate.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:45 pm

crownvic wrote:
What happens to airports like Newquay??? Will anyone fill the gap?


IIRC, BA have already said that they will fly LHR-NQY. FlyBe had been vague about their LHR-NQY service, and then said it would move to LGW.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:50 pm

Exeter has a grand total of 2 departures today, the TUI to Lanzerote that went out early today, and a Blue Islands one off 'rescue' flight - it's not looking good.


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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:14 pm

Zaf wrote:
crownvic wrote:
What happens to airports like Newquay??? Will anyone fill the gap?


Flying to places with a small population could be the reason they are bankrupt. NQY should be connected by train from LON. better for the environment too.


Newquay is connected by train to London. The journey takes from 5h 20m to 6h 20m depending on the service.
Its the same for many other FlyBe routes. For example:
SOU-MAN - 4h 10m to 4h 20m by train
SOU-NCL - by 5h 20m to 6h 20m by train
SOU-EDI - 6h 50m to 7h 50m by train
SOU-ABZ - 9h 40m to 10h 30m by train
All of those routes are around 1h to 1h 30 by air, making day trips possible.

To and from London the train is a viable alternative to flying, but between many other cities taking the train takes too long.

This morning the Transport Minister was on TV claiming that the Government had done "everything it could" to save FlyBe.
Really?
The Government took a delay on collecting APD. And, so far as I am aware, that was it.
The Government talked about reviewing APD, but then delayed that claiming an issue with the EU. The UK left the EU on 01FEB. And, in any case APD is not an EU tax.
In a much earlier thread someone suggested something like reducing APD for air journeys where the rail journey was more than, say, 5 hours. I liked the sound of that.
A version of that would be paying PSOS (did I get that right, and is it Public Service Operating Support?) for all services where the rail journey would be more than 5 hours.
That would be the Government doing 'all it could' to support regional connectivity.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:27 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
This morning the Transport Minister was on TV claiming that the Government had done "everything it could" to save FlyBe.
Really?


If FlyBE had done all it could to save itself then maybe ask the government what they could have done that would not have meant increasing tariffs elsewhere.

FlyBE were charging well over £500 for SOU > ABZ return on many occasions last year, plus the £40 per flight fee if you were stupid enough to take cabin baggage bigger than a carbon molecule. The bad service and poor attitude may have originate at the top, but it sure did make it's way to the customer facing staff (of which many were contracted I'm sure) and that should just not happen.

To all their passionate, friendly staff - god bless you and I hope you find an even better role in an industry that you love ASAP. For the others, happy now?
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:30 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
f4f3a wrote:
What routes did they operate from Southampton? Can't find info now on wiki. Going to hit small regional airports hard . Hope eastern or Logan can fill the gap


Top of my head their routes ex-SOU included:
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IOM may have been flown direct, but I'm not sure..


SOU-IOM didn't exist as a route...or at least not within the last 5 years.

Flybe's routes from IOM at the end were LPL, MAN and BHX, plus SEN that was due to launch later this month and a seasonal GVA. Finally, there was the short-lived IOM-LHR route.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:34 pm

Hard times! It's gonna be 78 frames available for the second hand market. The value of the DHC8-400 gonna be very low for sure.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
Raptormodeller wrote:
So what's going to happen with Air France codeshare flights? Will those operated by flybe aircraft now be operated by the AF fleet or what?


They will be rebooked on AF/KL/VS/DL flights to their final destination, possibly from a different UK airport, like MAN, LBA or HUY instead of DSA, for example. Some ERJ/CRJ might be upgraded to mainline, but between AF and KL there is very good UK coverage via CDG or AMS, so while individual routings might change, VS, AF, KL, (same for EY and EI) customers will get where they have booked. IF they are ticketed by airlines other than flyBe.

Thanks, that's a sigh of relief from me.
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:49 pm

Loganair taking on 16 ex Flybe routes and asking redundant crews to apply for jobs. Stobart/Flybe ATR-72's G-FBXA & XB arrived at ABZ last week for assimilation into fleet.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story/la ... e-collapse
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:22 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Loganair taking on 16 ex Flybe routes and asking redundant crews to apply for jobs. Stobart/Flybe ATR-72's G-FBXA & XB arrived at ABZ last week for assimilation into fleet.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story/la ... e-collapse

That's a bit of good news for some of the staff who'll be able to keep their jobs and for customers on those routes also.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:31 pm

Zaf wrote:
crownvic wrote:
What happens to airports like Newquay??? Will anyone fill the gap?


Flying to places with a small population could be the reason they are bankrupt. NQY should be connected by train from LON. better for the environment too.


This is one of the big myths about emissions - the train is not necessarily better. Rail is a combination of steel, concrete, ground rock and a whole heap of maintenance intensive infrastructure which emits heaps of Co2. In peripheral locations like Cornwall, your greenest option is to fly with a next generation, efficient turboprop.

As for FlyBe, one of their key problems was choosing the wrong aircraft for peripheral, regional operations. The majority of their routes and almost all of those which were unprofitable called for ATR 42/72s, not Q400s and E-Jets. Sticking with these aircraft is a key reason they are sadly now gone.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:32 pm

With Virgin Atlantic refusing to invest more money into Flybe, does anybody else think Virgin let Flybe go to get hold of those lucrative LHR slots?

It’s a thought in my head that makes more and more sense
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:41 pm

Jetty wrote:
FlyRow wrote:
Jetty wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if KL starts some new flights to the UK on short notice. To i.e. Southampton FlyBe had 5 flights a day which were mostly full. KL must have recources available due to coronavirus related cancellations.


Only if KLM get's their hands on FlyBE slots, otherwise no rooom for expansion.

KL has enough own slots available due to cancellations right now. Also if nobody buys FlyBe (as a whole, AMS slots aren’t for sale separately) slots go back to the pool and KL is entitled to at least 25% of them according to slot distribution regulations.


Using "Corona-Slots" ins't a viable option. What happens if the recovery starts? You switch back to china flights and leave the new replaced-flybe flights again? KLM is not ryanair which mix-matches routes, they want to offer reliable service.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:06 pm

After Flybe gone bust, I check that it also affects frequent flyers as well. BE do have codeshare with most airlines like EY and EK as well.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:16 pm

Did Flybe have any kind of frieght operation, if so is that stuck in limbo?
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:22 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Loganair taking on 16 ex Flybe routes and asking redundant crews to apply for jobs. Stobart/Flybe ATR-72's G-FBXA & XB arrived at ABZ last week for assimilation into fleet.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story/la ... e-collapse


The only shock there is how quick some routes will be up and running. Not remotely shocked to see loganair step in to fill the Scottish domestic voids.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:32 pm

Loganair will take over several routes where Flybe once served.

https://twitter.com/HeartScotNews/statu ... 0094253063
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:39 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
Zaf wrote:
crownvic wrote:
What happens to airports like Newquay??? Will anyone fill the gap?


Flying to places with a small population could be the reason they are bankrupt. NQY should be connected by train from LON. better for the environment too.


Newquay is connected by train to London. The journey takes from 5h 20m to 6h 20m depending on the service.
Its the same for many other FlyBe routes. For example:
SOU-MAN - 4h 10m to 4h 20m by train
SOU-NCL - by 5h 20m to 6h 20m by train
SOU-EDI - 6h 50m to 7h 50m by train
SOU-ABZ - 9h 40m to 10h 30m by train
All of those routes are around 1h to 1h 30 by air, making day trips possible.

To and from London the train is a viable alternative to flying, but between many other cities taking the train takes too long.

This morning the Transport Minister was on TV claiming that the Government had done "everything it could" to save FlyBe.
Really?
The Government took a delay on collecting APD. And, so far as I am aware, that was it.
The Government talked about reviewing APD, but then delayed that claiming an issue with the EU. The UK left the EU on 01FEB. And, in any case APD is not an EU tax.
In a much earlier thread someone suggested something like reducing APD for air journeys where the rail journey was more than, say, 5 hours. I liked the sound of that.
A version of that would be paying PSOS (did I get that right, and is it Public Service Operating Support?) for all services where the rail journey would be more than 5 hours.
That would be the Government doing 'all it could' to support regional connectivity.


The review of APD happened. The UK may have left the EU but we are still bound by the rules until the end of the transition period. The problem is therefore that they could not cut APD only for domestic flights and would have had to extend such a cut to all EU flights which the Chancellor refused to do.

PSO routes are also regulated and have rules and requirements to ensure that they are not just state aid.

There was little more the Government could do. Flybe mortgaged all of their assets so it was impossible for the Government to lend them money as there was nothing to secure it against. Most other carriers would fight any other support and probably win on state aid rules. As I said earlier, that may not be the case once the transition period ends but we are not there yet.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:41 pm

Danhill1905 wrote:
With Virgin Atlantic refusing to invest more money into Flybe, does anybody else think Virgin let Flybe go to get hold of those lucrative LHR slots?

It’s a thought in my head that makes more and more sense


Virgin won't get the slots. They will revert back to BA or if another operator come in they can apply for them. Blue Islands has apparently expressed interest in taking over the PSO route from Newquay to LHR/LGW.
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:43 pm

A cabin crew of Flybe speaks out following the company's collapse and she said "not really sure what to do now".

https://news.sky.com/story/flybe-cabin- ... e-11950038
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:45 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... -collapse/

That's an interesting article which basically states what happened.

"Nevertheless, discussions on the £100m bailout were stalling. The Government hired restructuring specialists from Alvarez & Marsal to consider whether it was prudent to hand the carrier a loan.The consultants’ report was damning. The airline was bleeding millions in cash and there was little or no security to fall back on, sources say. The reticence of Virgin to put its branding on the airline – the ‘Virgin Connect’ rollout had been postponed – was telling, Alvarez & Marsal concluded."
 
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:52 pm

Interesting to see how many routes Loganair are hoovering up, and particularly interesting to see that (so) many of their routes (now) don't touch Scotland;

Carlisle-Belfast City
Carlisle-Dublin
Carlisle-London Southend
City of Derry-London Southend
City of Derry-Manchester (seasonal)
Jersey-Humberside (seasonal)
Newcastle-Bergen
Newcastle-Brussels
Newcastle-Exeter
Newcastle-Newquay
Newcastle-Southampton
Newcastle-Stavanger
Newcastle-Gurnsey

I know they're not a dedicated Scottish airline per se, but just hope they don't overreach here given the overwhelming number of gaps that have suddenly become available in the domestic market.
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Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:55 pm

Loganair are taking on the following routes:

Aberdeen to Belfast City, Birmingham, Manchester and Jersey
Edinburgh to Cardiff, Exeter, Manchester, Newquay and Southampton.
Glasgow to Exeter and Southampton.
Inverness to Belfast City, Birmingham and Jersey.
Newcastle to Exeter and Southampton.

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