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San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:49 pm

Just announced a few days ago. San Juan Airlines will provide scheduled service between PAE and Friday Harbor, WA. Passengers can make connections to other San Juan islands and even BLI through Friday Harbor:

Unfortunately, they are not operating directly from the PAE terminal, since there is no room. But they will operate just across the parking lot.

Service Starts May 1st, 2019
Passengers boarding in Bellingham or Friday Harbor are subject to a Passenger Facility Charge of $4.50 per person.

Leave North End / San Juans
MONDAY – FRIDAY
8:45 am (departs Friday Harbor)
6:00 pm (departs Friday Harbor)
Leaving Everett
MONDAY – FRIDAY
11:45 am
7:20 pm
Passengers departing from Bellingham, Anacortes, Orcas, or Lopez will make a connection in Friday Harbor. Call reservations for departure times from these locations.
Pickup and drop off in Everett is at Castle and Cooke Aviation. Castle and Cooke is just across the parking lot from the new Airport Terminal at Paine Field. Parking is available but limited. The facility address is 9724 32nd Place West Everett, WA 98204.

http://sanjuanairlines.com/scheduled/

Small regional news, but good news for those that live in Island County and wish to try connecting through PAE rather than SEA.
 
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:58 pm

Island county is Whidbey and Camano Islands
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:58 am

Also, thanks for posting this new information
 
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:03 am

SeaDoo wrote:
Island county is Whidbey and Camano Islands


Yep. The San Juan Islands are San Juan County.

What kind of equipment do they use?
 
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:33 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
SeaDoo wrote:
Island county is Whidbey and Camano Islands


Yep. The San Juan Islands are San Juan County.

What kind of equipment do they use?


Oops! Sorry about that. Thank you both for the correction.

They use Cessna 206's and Cessna 207's.

http://sanjuanairlines.com/
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:39 am

This airline reminds me of that sit-com that was on back in maybe the late 80's early 90's. The airline flew around MVY and ACK and places like that. I can't think of the name of the show. Was a half hour show on Wednesdays I believe, maybe on NBC.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:45 am

crj900lr wrote:
This airline reminds me of that sit-com that was on back in maybe the late 80's early 90's. The airline flew around MVY and ACK and places like that. I can't think of the name of the show. Was a half hour show on Wednesdays I believe, maybe on NBC.



It was called Wings.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:57 am

USAirKid wrote:
crj900lr wrote:
This airline reminds me of that sit-com that was on back in maybe the late 80's early 90's. The airline flew around MVY and ACK and places like that. I can't think of the name of the show. Was a half hour show on Wednesdays I believe, maybe on NBC.



It was called Wings.



Yeah that's it, thanks.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:05 am

Are these aircraft amphibious? I got to non-rev right seat on Morris Air from downtown Seattle to the San Juan islands in an Otter and we stopped at 2 ports but I didn't see a land strip at those locations so I'm wondering if they are using amphibious aircraft or different airstrips on the islands.

(Best trip of my life, beautiful sights and the pilot was awesome.)

As far as the Wings reference goes, "Sandpiper Air" is similar to Cape Air and their 402's. I hummed the theme song to Wings my last trip into MVY from BOS LOL!!
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:21 am

No SJA uses land planes. Look on google maps and see the little airfields.
Nice to see them give PAE a try.
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:42 am

sprxUSA wrote:
No SJA uses land planes. Look on google maps and see the little airfields.
Nice to see them give PAE a try.


I think there going to try and capitalize on the new airline service at PAE. I hope it works out. I want to try them out!
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:48 am

Wow, thank you. I just Google mapped the islands, I never noticed the land strips! Guess I was too busy looking for whales in the water and admiring the views!!

Interesting endeavor indeed, I wish them luck and honestly foresee success!
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:03 am

So, they’re obviously part 135, but are they a scheduled commuter part 135? How do they do scheduled service 5x weekly? I thought the rule was 4x or less between city pairs?
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:32 am

flyoregon wrote:
So, they’re obviously part 135, but are they a scheduled commuter part 135? How do they do scheduled service 5x weekly? I thought the rule was 4x or less between city pairs?


They do fly a schedule from BLI and Anacortes to the San Juans...now PAE. They do fly daily from some of their airports.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:35 am

San Juan used to have at least one B-99 & of course the Cessna's they are known for, IIRC I was flying PDX-CLM-YYJ-Cessna / YVR-BLI-PDX-B99 on them March 1989.
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:42 am

RWA380 wrote:
San Juan used to have at least one B-99 & of course the Cessna's they are known for, IIRC I was flying PDX-CLM-YYJ-Cessna / YVR-BLI-PDX-B99 on them March 1989.


Are the two San Juan airlines related?

I remember San Juan Airlines had a handful of 208's, which went to Northwest Seaplanes...then to Kenmore Air Express. Do I have that right?

Unrelated...I remember seeing a commuter airline called Advantage Air in the early 1990's at PDX. They flew Metros.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:51 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
What kind of equipment do they use?

...
They use Cessna 206's and Cessna 207's. http://sanjuanairlines.com/[/quote]
Do they really use Cessna 207s? If so it might just be worth another trip to SEA.
Or are they Cessna 208 Caravans?

Gemuser
 
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:25 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
San Juan used to have at least one B-99 & of course the Cessna's they are known for, IIRC I was flying PDX-CLM-YYJ-Cessna / YVR-BLI-PDX-B99 on them March 1989.


Are the two San Juan airlines related?

I remember San Juan Airlines had a handful of 208's, which went to Northwest Seaplanes...then to Kenmore Air Express. Do I have that right?

Unrelated...I remember seeing a commuter airline called Advantage Air in the early 1990's at PDX. They flew Metros.


I will honestly admit, I do not know if the same branding exists or if someone just paid for the name in a BK sell off, but there has been a San Juan Airlines operation in Washington since the 1947. The airline resumed service in 2001 IIRC.

Their fleet page from Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_Airlines#Fleet
Some timetable images with one route map - http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/usc/sanjuan.htm

Exactly these planes in these colors are what we flew to Canada & back from Portland, one-stop both ways, no change of aircraft service.

Here is their Beech 99 -

Here are a few Cessnas & a IDK behind them at SEA -


I do recall Advantage Air, there has been another poster here looking for info & no one replied & it was locked. - viewtopic.php?t=270423

This is an American Eagle Metro III that says it was registered to Advantage Airlines -
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:28 am

According to this from the Bellingham Airline services page, by the Port of Bellingham that San Juan Airlines served until 1989 & BLI was re-started in 2002 to & goes to this day. https://www.portofbellingham.com/291/Airline-Services

I have an old March 1989 San Juan timetable, somewhere with downtown Portland at night taken from the vantage point of sailing on the Wilamette River one calm evening, with a beautiful moon & maybe some stars. I liked flying with them, they were very nice to both myself & my sister even though we were AD90, I treated us to a few nights at the Empress & two at the Four Seasons in Vancouver. I am absolutely kicking myself that we did not take the Victoria Harbor to Vancouver Harbor Sea Plane. just freaking kicking myself. I still need a take off & land on water to log in, it's a bucket list, must do.
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:36 pm

RWA380 wrote:

I will honestly admit, I do not know if the same branding exists or if someone just paid for the name in a BK sell off, but there has been a San Juan Airlines operation in Washington since the 1947. The airline resumed service in 2001 IIRC.

Their fleet page from Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_Airlines#Fleet

I do recall Advantage Air, there has been another poster here looking for info & no one replied & it was locked. - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270423

This is an American Eagle Metro III that says it was registered to Advantage Airlines -


The Wikipedia page is definitely inaccurate. The San Juan Airlines that had Cessna 402s and Beech 99s went out of business in early 1989. West Isle Air began scheduled commuter operations in mid-1990. At some point it started trading as San Juan Airlines. In 2014, West Isle (now dba Chelan Seaplanes) sold the San Juan name to Rugby Aviation (fka Northwest Sky Ferry).

Separately, after American Eagle traded in its Metros for Jetstreams, those airplanes ended up all over the place, five of which ended up with Advantage Airlines, a commuter airline based in Provo UT, owned by Rocky Mountain Helicopters.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:48 pm

Gemuser wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
What kind of equipment do they use?

...
They use Cessna 206's and Cessna 207's. http://sanjuanairlines.com/

Do they really use Cessna 207s? If so it might just be worth another trip to SEA.
Or are they Cessna 208 Caravans?

Gemuser[/quote]

It appears so. There are some pics of the San Juan's Cessna 206's and 207's here on Airliners.net. They do not have scheduled service to SEA or BFI (just charters). Scheduled service is mainly out of BLI and Anacortes (and soon PAE) on the mainland.

We still have a couple of hidden gems that fly regionally besides Kenmore Air...like San Juan Airlines and Friday Harbor Seaplanes out of RNT.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:44 pm

Gemuser wrote:
It appears so. There are some pics of the San Juan's Cessna 206's and 207's here on Airliners.net. They do not have scheduled service to SEA or BFI (just charters). Scheduled service is mainly out of BLI and Anacortes (and soon PAE) on the mainland.

We still have a couple of hidden gems that fly regionally besides Kenmore Air...like San Juan Airlines and Friday Harbor Seaplanes out of RNT.


2 x C172
Cessna U206G N9428G
Cessna T207 N684S
Cessna 207 N685S

Friday Harbor Seaplanes is the same as Chelan Seaplanes/West Isle Air above.
 
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:46 pm

MO11 wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
It appears so. There are some pics of the San Juan's Cessna 206's and 207's here on Airliners.net. They do not have scheduled service to SEA or BFI (just charters). Scheduled service is mainly out of BLI and Anacortes (and soon PAE) on the mainland.

We still have a couple of hidden gems that fly regionally besides Kenmore Air...like San Juan Airlines and Friday Harbor Seaplanes out of RNT.


2 x C172
Cessna U206G N9428G
Cessna T207 N684S
Cessna 207 N685S

Friday Harbor Seaplanes is the same as Chelan Seaplanes/West Isle Air above.


Good to know!
 
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:55 am

MO11 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

I will honestly admit, I do not know if the same branding exists or if someone just paid for the name in a BK sell off, but there has been a San Juan Airlines operation in Washington since the 1947. The airline resumed service in 2001 IIRC.

Their fleet page from Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_Airlines#Fleet

I do recall Advantage Air, there has been another poster here looking for info & no one replied & it was locked. - https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270423

This is an American Eagle Metro III that says it was registered to Advantage Airlines -


The Wikipedia page is definitely inaccurate. The San Juan Airlines that had Cessna 402s and Beech 99s went out of business in early 1989. West Isle Air began scheduled commuter operations in mid-1990. At some point it started trading as San Juan Airlines. In 2014, West Isle (now dba Chelan Seaplanes) sold the San Juan name to Rugby Aviation (fka Northwest Sky Ferry).

Separately, after American Eagle traded in its Metros for Jetstreams, those airplanes ended up all over the place, five of which ended up with Advantage Airlines, a commuter airline based in Provo UT, owned by Rocky Mountain Helicopters.


I think I was expecting the scenario you laid out, and Wikipedia is by no means a source of bible honest info, by any stretch. Where did Advantage fly? It could not have been much with 5 Metro III's
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I think I was expecting the scenario you laid out, and Wikipedia is by no means a source of bible honest info, by any stretch. Where did Advantage fly? It could not have been much with 5 Metro III's


PDX-EUG/MFR/PSC

Began May 18, 1992, ended sometime in the fall of '92. It didn't file second quarter reports, so I don't know how much traffic it actually carried.
 
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Re: San Juan Airlines to Serve PAE

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MO11 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
I think I was expecting the scenario you laid out, and Wikipedia is by no means a source of bible honest info, by any stretch. Where did Advantage fly? It could not have been much with 5 Metro III's


PDX-EUG/MFR/PSC

Began May 18, 1992, ended sometime in the fall of '92. It didn't file second quarter reports, so I don't know how much traffic it actually carried.


Thank you, I appreciate the info, I can add to my files on Oregon aviation. I left that year to Atlanta & after that Hawaii, I don't recall Advantage at all, yikes. Thanks again!
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Iirc, San Juan Airlines briefly flew PAE-PDX back in the day.
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:54 am

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Iirc, San Juan Airlines briefly flew PAE-PDX back in the day.

Yes they did in June 1988. San Juan also had EMB 110s for a short time as well. Seemed a real battle between them and Harbor Airlines as they also used EMB110s for a bit.
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:03 am

The aircraft at the end of the row of Cessnas is a Britten-Norman Islander.

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Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:09 am

I live in the San Juan Islands, and SJA was doing local facebook poles only about a month ago. They must have had a good response if they are starting the service so soon. I know a lot of people in the San Juans are excited about PAE, and I think this will be a popular service. I just flew out of PAE today, and I would’ve definitely taken a SJA flight rather than driving and messing with the ferry.

I’m excited. Good things happening with PAE.
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:53 am

flyinggoat wrote:
I live in the San Juan Islands, and SJA was doing local facebook poles only about a month ago. They must have had a good response if they are starting the service so soon. I know a lot of people in the San Juans are excited about PAE, and I think this will be a popular service. I just flew out of PAE today, and I would’ve definitely taken a SJA flight rather than driving and messing with the ferry.

I’m excited. Good things happening with PAE.


I think if SJA does this right, they shouldn't problems attracting both locals and regional tourists to/from the San Juans through PAE, especially when the ferries are REALLY crowded and busy during the summer season.

I hope it really works out. In my opinion, SJA needs to advertise PAE and the easy connections with AS and UA there, as well as making it painfully easy to make the connection at PAE.
 
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wedgetail737 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
San Juan used to have at least one B-99 & of course the Cessna's they are known for, IIRC I was flying PDX-CLM-YYJ-Cessna / YVR-BLI-PDX-B99 on them March 1989.


Are the two San Juan airlines related?

I remember San Juan Airlines had a handful of 208's, which went to Northwest Seaplanes...then to Kenmore Air Express. Do I have that right?

Unrelated...I remember seeing a commuter airline called Advantage Air in the early 1990's at PDX. They flew Metros.


Do you have any info on Advantage Air? IATA code, routes flown? I need someone with a solid memory, I was not living in Oregon at the time & as you know, I have what I think to be, the most complete list of AIr Carriers that served Oregon & what of our 30+ cities each carrier served & what non-stop destinations each carrier flew, I have used data back as far as the 1930's until today. I have zero data on Advantage Air & then it makes me wonder, what the hell stuff I have missed.

I have almost 100% backup on the internet for my list, I did take some routes provided to me, by many of my trusted friends here, including yourself at more than one time. I have googled, wikipedia, which means I am desperate, I have been on timetable images, departed flights & a dozen more, this airline must have burned quickly & with little fanfare.

What I know is, they sourced 5 Metro III's from AAE & was based in Portland, flying (Eugene & Medford, IDK if they had any non-portland routes or if they flew elsewhere besides MFR & EUG) was all I heard, rumored, I need someone to blame later if it's wrong. LOL! Or maybe a kind member with a couple of minutes to spare, so this historian can pass this along to anyone wanting a copy, before I go.
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:59 am

Do you have any info on Advantage Air? IATA code, routes flown? I need someone with a solid memory, I was not living in Oregon at the time & as you know, I have what I think to be, the most complete list of AIr Carriers that served Oregon & what of our 30+ cities each carrier served & what non-stop destinations each carrier flew, I have used data back as far as the 1930's until today. I have zero data on Advantage Air & then it makes me wonder, what the hell stuff I have missed.

I have almost 100% backup on the internet for my list, I did take some routes provided to me, by many of my trusted friends here, including yourself at more than one time. I have googled, wikipedia, which means I am desperate, I have been on timetable images, departed flights & a dozen more, this airline must have burned quickly & with little fanfare.

What I know is, they sourced 5 Metro III's from AAE & was based in Portland, flying (Eugene & Medford, IDK if they had any non-portland routes or if they flew elsewhere besides MFR & EUG) was all I heard, rumored, I need someone to blame later if it's wrong. LOL! Or maybe a kind member with a couple of minutes to spare, so this historian can pass this along to anyone wanting a copy, before I go.[/quote]

MO11 (above) was right. Advantage began 18MAY92 with routes to EUG/MFR/PSC. This from the PDXAMINER MAY 1992:

Using 19-seat Fairchild Metro III aircraft, Advantage is offering 13 flights Monday through Saturday (five to Eugene and four each to
Medford and Pasco) and nine on Sundays. The Provo, Utah-based carrier is a division of Rocky Mountain Helicopters. Advantage has
developed its PDX flight schedule to meet arrival and departure banks of Delta Air Lines. Advantage will operate out of Gate C13.

I remember their ticket counter. Colors were red and white with departure/arrival boards on the wall. They didn't last long. That's all
I know. I don't even remember seeing one of their planes! I was hoping I had a timetable, but I don't.

Did you know about PacificAir? They began 18JUL94 and didn't last long either. Flew Piper Chieftains to CVO. Six flights Monday
through Friday, three on Saturday, and four on Sunday. Operated from Gate E6. Happened to see this in the PDXAMINER
SEPT/OCT 1994. Those were great newspapers! I don't like the online version they have now.

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