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AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:34 am

Having a look of FR24 it’s vastly different compared to the VX days.

The trend appears to be the Airbus is being shifted to short haul west coast and the 737 transcontinental. Some of the older Boeing’s on transcon isn’t overly great product wise, actually when compared to the competitors most certainly at the bottom. I’m more surprised by the lack of use of the 321n on the longer missions, mostly flown small hops now.

Here is the current Airbus fleet live. All LAX-JFK-LAX flights in the air are on Boeing.

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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:51 am

There are still plenty of transcon Airbus flights.

The issue with the view above is the way AS has their schedule you have inbound flights from the east coast which land around 10pm on the west coast, these are the non-redeye flights which left in the morning and then do a turn thus they are showing in the western part of the US. Just as a quick sample, there are flights over Nevada from BNA, IAD, BWI headed for SFO.

In the next couple of hours the redeye flights will start to head out and you will see a mix of those aircraft heading to the east coast.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:54 am

All red eye flights from LA tonight are Boeing and 1/2 out of SFO are Boeing.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:13 am

There was actually BWI-SFO tonight operated by an Airbus. I saw it on FR24.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:19 am

Aren't most are all of LAX - FLL Airbus, and LAX - IAD, too? Back in February, I flew on a 321 FLL - LAX. But, in general, seems that more and more Airbus are used north-south in the west. My last seven or eight AS flights, mostly north - south, have been Airbus.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:25 am

What the OP stated is exactly what Alaska has said they were planning. This isn't new information. I don't think hard product competitiveness is coming into consideration since they're getting rid of the VX hard product. Although, I would say that the 739ERs should get the new product sooner than later since they are going to be on most transcons.

The 739 has more seats than the A320 and I believe is less prone to fuel stops (I'm not sure that is true but 739ER fuel stops seem less common, but that could be anecdotal). Additionally, the 739 has more First and Premium seats than the PM Airbii. I'm assuming there's more revenue potential with upselling.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:31 am

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There was actually BWI-SFO tonight operated by an Airbus. I saw it on FR24.

BWI-SFO began under VX and it has been either an A319 or A320 ever since. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems many ex-SFO routes that AS operates that were previously operated by VX are still operated by A32X aircraft, although SFO-JFK has some 737s on it and I don't believe AS operated JFK-SFO before the merger. I think the same may be true out of LAX.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:32 am

Starting to see them here on the SEA-ABQ runs. They’re definitely some welcome diversity in ABQ. I believe that the long term plan is to keep them close to home and put the 739s on tcon. 738s and A320s go short and mid haul.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:15 am

LAXBUR wrote:
What the OP stated is exactly what Alaska has said they were planning. This isn't new information. I don't think hard product competitiveness is coming into consideration since they're getting rid of the VX hard product. Although, I would say that the 739ERs should get the new product sooner than later since they are going to be on most transcons.

The 739 has more seats than the A320 and I believe is less prone to fuel stops (I'm not sure that is true but 739ER fuel stops seem less common, but that could be anecdotal). Additionally, the 739 has more First and Premium seats than the PM Airbii. I'm assuming there's more revenue potential with upselling.


You are correct, AS has stated previously that the 737s are less prone to fuel stops in certain seasons than the airbus fleet, which is partly why they’ve shifted to more north-south routes on the west coast.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:51 am

I assume the Airbus is no longer used to Hawaii at all?
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:37 am

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I assume the Airbus is no longer used to Hawaii at all?


One of the very first changes AAG did in regards to cross fleeting, once they were allowed to do so, was to ensure the Hawaii market was all Boeing ASAP.

It was just SFO/LAX-HNL/OGG/KOA. The A-320's that VX used were not the most suitable aircraft for the Hawaii market, but it''s what VX had. I do not know which specific frames were used for the Etops 180 flights to the Hawaiian Islands, but I was told it was a small sub-fleet that stayed on the West Coast. I don't claim that is gospel truth, just what I have heard.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:41 am

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All red eye flights from LA tonight are Boeing and 1/2 out of SFO are Boeing.


Nope. LAX-PHL, Airbus. Others as well.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:01 am

VX is gone. Done. No More. And while there may still be former VX loyalists who are traumatized about the demise of their airline, outside of Premium Markets (Such as SFO - JFK), I find AS offers a very competitive experience that is scalable across their network. They aren't pretending to offer a premium service in the same way that Southwest doesn't pretend to offer First Class or Premium Economy. They have wonderful FAs, and while the A321 is indeed the largest a/c in their fleet, there are only 10 of the type which leaves the transcon market at a deficit. What the 738/739 offers is a more reliable, scalable and standard seating capacity that exceeds the 319/320.... So I definitely understand the corporate reasoning behind this. AS was successfully doing transcon flights before VX even existed... I believe they know what they're doing in terms of capacity.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:09 am

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What the OP stated is exactly what Alaska has said they were planning. This isn't new information.


Ding ding ding. Reallocation of aircraft and crews is one of the great synergy hopes in an airline merger, for both costs (efficiency) and revenues (more seats into more profitable markets). Some carriers get around to it sooner than others.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:54 pm

On the point of more seats -> more revenue, which AS has been telling the investors.

Here is something to consider if we test this theory out with 2017 Q4 vs 2018Q4 results on BOS-LAX. One route that saw a lot of B737s compared to a year earlier.

2017 Q4
departures: 12 with A321NEO, 16 with A319 and 343 with A320, Average seat per departure 147
# of boarded: 46975
Avg non stop fare: $257
# of flights: 371
LF: 85.96%
yield: $221
revenue per flight: $221 * 147 = $32487

As a point of comparison, B6 was at $265

2018 Q4
departures: 34 with A320s, 16 with A321NEO, 61 with A319, 53 with B737-800 and 68 with B737-900ER, average seat per departure 161.5
# of boarded: 29124
Avg non stop fare: $220
# of flights: 232
LF: 77.74%
yield: $171
revenue per flight: $171 * 161.5 = $27616.5

As a point of comparison, B6 was at $260, so competitor yield didn't change that much.

so by having roughly half of the flight moved to 800/900 with more seats, yield went down from $221 to $171 and this happened as the market share dropped quite a bit. And they got much lower revenue despite having more seats on half of the flights.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:54 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
LAXBUR wrote:
What the OP stated is exactly what Alaska has said they were planning. This isn't new information.


Ding ding ding. Reallocation of aircraft and crews is one of the great synergy hopes in an airline merger, for both costs (efficiency) and revenues (more seats into more profitable markets). Some carriers get around to it sooner than others.


I think along with that is the fact that transcon markets have fewer daily flights so larger aircraft is one way to add capacity. West coast flights are plentiful - fewer seats balances out nicely with higher frequencies.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:28 pm

Still waiting for an airbus to do a SEAANC turn
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:29 pm

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Still waiting for an airbus to do a SEAANC turn


It will probably happen at some point due to a sub, but I assume that AS prefers to keep 737s rotating through ANC for product consistently on the intra-Alaska routes.
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:03 pm

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I’m more surprised by the ...

... fact anybody actually uses that incredibly-pointless airline logo view on FR24.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:15 am

^^
I use it on larger screens and not on phone. Thanks for your helpful comment though, inspiring!
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:29 am

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All red eye flights from LA tonight are Boeing and 1/2 out of SFO are Boeing.


The Bus fleet currently has three scheduled redeyes out of LAX: PHL, IAD, and FLL. Right now the daytime LAX-FLL and DCA are also on the Airbus. There is also one daytime flight from LAX-JFK on the Airbus. For the most part though the OP is correct that the Airbus has really moved to a lot more of the north/south west coast flying along with midCons.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:56 am

They are even starting to add them to routes flown by Legacy Alaska, the other day I flew San Diego-Minneapolis on an A320, a route which used to be operated by their E175s.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:59 am

gunsontheroof wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Still waiting for an airbus to do a SEAANC turn


It will probably happen at some point due to a sub, but I assume that AS prefers to keep 737s rotating through ANC for product consistently on the intra-Alaska routes.

I don’t see why they wouldn’t get a 321 on a red eye turn.
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:03 am

BWIAirport wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
There was actually BWI-SFO tonight operated by an Airbus. I saw it on FR24.

BWI-SFO began under VX and it has been either an A319 or A320 ever since. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems many ex-SFO routes that AS operates that were previously operated by VX are still operated by A32X aircraft, although SFO-JFK has some 737s on it and I don't believe AS operated JFK-SFO before the merger. I think the same may be true out of LAX.


I used to work the AS/VX flights at BWI when I worked for Menzies. We got an A321 NEO once, still in VX colors and interior. It was less than a year old and had such an amazing interior. I wish I could have flown on it as a passenger
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:25 am

The VX subfleet of A320s are the ones with satellite wifi and winglets (not wing fences). I think there are like 8 of them.... those are the ones that are ETOPS approved and flew Hawai'i.
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:40 am

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Still waiting for an airbus to do a SEAANC turn


I talked to an Alaska pilot and asked them the same question. This is what they told me that I remember; Due to the constant weather changes in Alaska, the airplanes that fly there (737’s) have unique cockpit systems that no other aircraft in their fleet do and are specifically meant to fly in harsher climates and unpredictable weather. The Airbus aircraft don’t have this system and they don’t see them flying into the state of Alaska for the foreseeable future.
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:05 am

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What the OP stated is exactly what Alaska has said they were planning. This isn't new information. I don't think hard product competitiveness is coming into consideration since they're getting rid of the VX hard product. Although, I would say that the 739ERs should get the new product sooner than later since they are going to be on most transcons.


I just flew a brand new (it's second flight ever with pax) Alaska 737-9 on Friday -- Transcon.

To my shock, this brand new plane with the new interior and seats DID NOT have tablet holders.

Ironically, in their magazine they tout the tablet holders in their retrofitted Airbus fleet (which I've flown).

It blows my mind that that they're taking deliveries of brand new aircraft without tablet holders....
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:29 am

PacificWest wrote:
LAXBUR wrote:
What the OP stated is exactly what Alaska has said they were planning. This isn't new information. I don't think hard product competitiveness is coming into consideration since they're getting rid of the VX hard product. Although, I would say that the 739ERs should get the new product sooner than later since they are going to be on most transcons.


I just flew a brand new (it's second flight ever with pax) Alaska 737-9 on Friday -- Transcon.

To my shock, this brand new plane with the new interior and seats DID NOT have tablet holders.

Ironically, in their magazine they tout the tablet holders in their retrofitted Airbus fleet (which I've flown).

It blows my mind that that they're taking deliveries of brand new aircraft without tablet holders....


I think you meant 737-900ER. You wouldn't have flown a 737-9.
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:48 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I talked to an Alaska pilot and asked them the same question. This is what they told me that I remember; Due to the constant weather changes in Alaska, the airplanes that fly there (737’s) have unique cockpit systems that no other aircraft in their fleet do and are specifically meant to fly in harsher climates and unpredictable weather. The Airbus aircraft don’t have this system and they don’t see them flying into the state of Alaska for the foreseeable future.


RNP capable avionics. These are present in all Alaska 737s and in the A321neo, but not in the ex-VX A319 or A320 fleets. I don't think Alaska would bother to upgrade the older Airbuses unless it decides to keep them. As for the A321neo, with just 8 in the fleet for the moment, they've got plenty to keep them busy without going to Alaska.
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:51 am

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The VX subfleet of A320s are the ones with satellite wifi and winglets (not wing fences). I think there are like 8 of them.... those are the ones that are ETOPS approved and flew Hawai'i.


N281-286VA are the ETOPs 320s.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:48 pm

On another post VX topic, when are they rolling out the new uniforms?

USA seems to be the land of airlines announcing and showing new uniforms but it takes years to introduce.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:59 pm

I've often read that the A320/A321 wing isn't as optimized for longer flights as the 737 NG wing is. The effeciency gets lower the further the aircraft flies.

Is that why they're choosing to utilize the fleet this way?
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:14 pm

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I've often read that the A320/A321 wing isn't as optimized for longer flights as the 737 NG wing is. The effeciency gets lower the further the aircraft flies.

Is that why they're choosing to utilize the fleet this way?


Where did you read that?
 
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On another post VX topic, when are they rolling out the new uniforms?

USA seems to be the land of airlines announcing and showing new uniforms but it takes years to introduce.


All QX employees and AS lounge employees start getting the new uniforms around September, the rest of AS gets them early 2020
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:50 pm

IWMBH wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
I've often read that the A320/A321 wing isn't as optimized for longer flights as the 737 NG wing is. The effeciency gets lower the further the aircraft flies.

Is that why they're choosing to utilize the fleet this way?


Where did you read that?


In multiple threads here on airliners(.)net. It's impossible to remember exactly what threads and posts. I'm basically asking if it's true, and if it's true - is that why they're utilizing their fleet this way?
 
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seabosdca wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I talked to an Alaska pilot and asked them the same question. This is what they told me that I remember; Due to the constant weather changes in Alaska, the airplanes that fly there (737’s) have unique cockpit systems that no other aircraft in their fleet do and are specifically meant to fly in harsher climates and unpredictable weather. The Airbus aircraft don’t have this system and they don’t see them flying into the state of Alaska for the foreseeable future.


RNP capable avionics. These are present in all Alaska 737s and in the A321neo, but not in the ex-VX A319 or A320 fleets. I don't think Alaska would bother to upgrade the older Airbuses unless it decides to keep them. As for the A321neo, with just 8 in the fleet for the moment, they've got plenty to keep them busy without going to Alaska.
they don’t need RNP approaches into anchorage. In fact VX has flown to ANC before. I didn’t say these planes would ever fly into southeast Alaska. JetBlue also flies airbus to ANC. One day they will have an A320 sitting spare and it’s gonna go. Or scheduling will have one. And it’s gonna go.
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:04 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Still waiting for an airbus to do a SEAANC turn


I talked to an Alaska pilot and asked them the same question. This is what they told me that I remember; Due to the constant weather changes in Alaska, the airplanes that fly there (737’s) have unique cockpit systems that no other aircraft in their fleet do and are specifically meant to fly in harsher climates and unpredictable weather. The Airbus aircraft don’t have this system and they don’t see them flying into the state of Alaska for the foreseeable future.


I think he was pulling your leg, as B6 flies to ANC.
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:12 pm

rbavfan wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Still waiting for an airbus to do a SEAANC turn


I talked to an Alaska pilot and asked them the same question. This is what they told me that I remember; Due to the constant weather changes in Alaska, the airplanes that fly there (737’s) have unique cockpit systems that no other aircraft in their fleet do and are specifically meant to fly in harsher climates and unpredictable weather. The Airbus aircraft don’t have this system and they don’t see them flying into the state of Alaska for the foreseeable future.


I think he was pulling your leg, as B6 flies to ANC.


JetBlue’s airbus fleet (or at least some of it) is equipped to fly into Alaska, whereas the AS 319/320 fleet is not
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:01 pm

452QX wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

I talked to an Alaska pilot and asked them the same question. This is what they told me that I remember; Due to the constant weather changes in Alaska, the airplanes that fly there (737’s) have unique cockpit systems that no other aircraft in their fleet do and are specifically meant to fly in harsher climates and unpredictable weather. The Airbus aircraft don’t have this system and they don’t see them flying into the state of Alaska for the foreseeable future.


I think he was pulling your leg, as B6 flies to ANC.


JetBlue’s airbus fleet (or at least some of it) is equipped to fly into Alaska, whereas the AS 319/320 fleet is not

VX has flown to ANC seasonally before. ANC is a totally normal airport
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:00 pm

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VX has flown to ANC seasonally before. ANC is a totally normal airport



Exactly. Anyone can fly into Anchorage. It is an international airport on the coast with long runways aligned for different wind conditions and multiple ILS approaches. The RNP capability that Alaska has on its 737s allow them to fly more complicated curved approaches around mountainous terrain into the smaller airports in SE Alaska that may not have conventional approaches for all runways. Even in good weather I don't think the bus pilots would be allowed to go [to the smaller airports] since AS only qualifies some of its pilots for the SE and Arctic regions.
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32andBelow wrote:
452QX wrote:
rbavfan wrote:

I think he was pulling your leg, as B6 flies to ANC.


JetBlue’s airbus fleet (or at least some of it) is equipped to fly into Alaska, whereas the AS 319/320 fleet is not

VX has flown to ANC seasonally before. ANC is a totally normal airport


B6, AA, AC, soon to be G4, and occasionally DL all send Airbii to ANC.

In addition, DL has sent the 319 to FAI in midwinter, and in fact is currently scheduled to move SEA-FAI to the A220 in October.

Anybody saying the Airbus can’t fly to Alaska is either jerking someone’s chain or completely clueless. There is no reason AS can’t send its Airbus fleet to ANC or FAI easily...they just choose not to for whatever reason.
 
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452QX wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

I talked to an Alaska pilot and asked them the same question. This is what they told me that I remember; Due to the constant weather changes in Alaska, the airplanes that fly there (737’s) have unique cockpit systems that no other aircraft in their fleet do and are specifically meant to fly in harsher climates and unpredictable weather. The Airbus aircraft don’t have this system and they don’t see them flying into the state of Alaska for the foreseeable future.


I think he was pulling your leg, as B6 flies to ANC.


JetBlue’s airbus fleet (or at least some of it) is equipped to fly into Alaska, whereas the AS 319/320 fleet is not


Some of the AS A139/A320's are not have RNP. But last I knew you do not have to have RNP to fly to Alaska.
 
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VX has flown to ANC seasonally before. ANC is a totally normal airport



Exactly. Anyone can fly into Anchorage. It is an international airport on the coast with long runways aligned for different wind conditions and multiple ILS approaches. The RNP capability that Alaska has on its 737s allow them to fly more complicated curved approaches around mountainous terrain into the smaller airports in SE Alaska that may not have conventional approaches for all runways. Even in good weather I don't think the bus pilots would be allowed to go [to the smaller airports] since AS only qualifies some of its pilots for the SE and Arctic regions.


DL also developed its own RNP for JNU, and last fall sent a 738 to SIT and KTN, presumably to certify their own approaches for those towns as well (even though they will remain E175 for the time being).

I’m not positive, but from what I’ve heard DL currently only certified the 738 for the RNP approaches into JNU. If that eventually extends to the A220 or even E175, I could see them extending their JNU season again. Time will tell.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:40 am

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452QX wrote:
AirbusA322 wrote:
On another post VX topic, when are they rolling out the new uniforms?

USA seems to be the land of airlines announcing and showing new uniforms but it takes years to introduce.


All QX employees and AS lounge employees start getting the new uniforms around September, the rest of AS gets them early 2020

What’s the holdup?
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:20 am

JetBuddy wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
I've often read that the A320/A321 wing isn't as optimized for longer flights as the 737 NG wing is. The effeciency gets lower the further the aircraft flies.

Is that why they're choosing to utilize the fleet this way?


Where did you read that?


In multiple threads here on airliners(.)net. It's impossible to remember exactly what threads and posts. I'm basically asking if it's true, and if it's true - is that why they're utilizing their fleet this way?


If you can't point out a specific source I'd say the statement doesn't have enough facts to back it up. Just cause someone on a forum says something doesn't mean it hold ins reality, especially with no stats to back it up.

I'd love to see some sort of study on both wings to compare though.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:36 am

AirbusA322 wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
452QX wrote:
AirbusA322 wrote:
On another post VX topic, when are they rolling out the new uniforms?

USA seems to be the land of airlines announcing and showing new uniforms but it takes years to introduce.


All QX employees and AS lounge employees start getting the new uniforms around September, the rest of AS gets them early 2020

What’s the holdup?


No holdup as far as I’m aware..it was always planned for then. They just recently finalized the standard uniform pieces for the workgroups
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:59 am

Thought one of the reasons for more transcon 737’s, was that AS was reducing frequency (cycles) on the owned 737’s, and running the leased Airbus aircraft to more frequent (shorter distance) legs, and more cycles.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:15 am

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I just flew a brand new (it's second flight ever with pax) Alaska 737-9 on Friday -- Transcon.

To my shock, this brand new plane with the new interior and seats DID NOT have tablet holders.

Ironically, in their magazine they tout the tablet holders in their retrofitted Airbus fleet (which I've flown).

It blows my mind that that they're taking deliveries of brand new aircraft without tablet holders....


:redflag:

That was the last 737-900ER that AS had on order, and it does NOT come from Boeing with the new upgraded interior mods; those are done at GSO and none of the 737-800, -900, or -900ER fleet have them yet.
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:32 am

Chugach wrote:
doug_or wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
VX has flown to ANC seasonally before. ANC is a totally normal airport



Exactly. Anyone can fly into Anchorage. It is an international airport on the coast with long runways aligned for different wind conditions and multiple ILS approaches. The RNP capability that Alaska has on its 737s allow them to fly more complicated curved approaches around mountainous terrain into the smaller airports in SE Alaska that may not have conventional approaches for all runways. Even in good weather I don't think the bus pilots would be allowed to go [to the smaller airports] since AS only qualifies some of its pilots for the SE and Arctic regions.


DL also developed its own RNP for JNU, and last fall sent a 738 to SIT and KTN, presumably to certify their own approaches for those towns as well (even though they will remain E175 for the time being).

I’m not positive, but from what I’ve heard DL currently only certified the 738 for the RNP approaches into JNU. If that eventually extends to the A220 or even E175, I could see them extending their JNU season again. Time will tell.

Not sure what DL plan is with SIT but they are probably going to be happy to have it as a good alternate for JNU for the time being.
 
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Re: AS’s Airbus network post VX

Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:27 am

EA CO AS wrote:
PacificWest wrote:
I just flew a brand new (it's second flight ever with pax) Alaska 737-9 on Friday -- Transcon.

To my shock, this brand new plane with the new interior and seats DID NOT have tablet holders.

Ironically, in their magazine they tout the tablet holders in their retrofitted Airbus fleet (which I've flown).

It blows my mind that that they're taking deliveries of brand new aircraft without tablet holders....


:redflag:

That was the last 737-900ER that AS had on order, and it does NOT come from Boeing with the new upgraded interior mods; those are done at GSO and none of the 737-800, -900, or -900ER fleet have them yet.



Ahhh ok. Good to know... so AS does have plans to upgrade their 737 fleet though, right?

I flew an A320 with the new interior about a month ago to SNA, and the tablet/phone holders were great. Even though I'm a huge fan of seatback PTV's -- I was surprised how nice it was having my wireless headphones paired with my iPad mini. If AS can get a decent in-flight map (instead of that gogo crap), I'll officially quit my whining ;)

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