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Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:46 am

From YYZ: DUB, GLA & CDG

From YUL: BCN, BRU, LGW, MAD, AGP, MRS, PRG & TLS

From YQB: CDG

All these are in addition to what's coming for Summer '19. Out of the back of mind, I believe TS has 15 A321LR on order, though I'm not sure in what timeframe they are scheduled to join the fleet.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2020/
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:13 am

YUL to LIS on Wed and Sat. Starts service 22 JUN.
Other days it's the 332.

YUL to OPO from 23 MAY Mon/Thu/Sat
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:15 am

offloaded wrote:
YUL to LIS on Wed and Sat. Starts service 22 JUN.
Other days it's the 332.

YUL to OPO from 23 MAY Mon/Thu/Sat


Yes, but this is in 2019 not 2020!
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:48 am

Ahhh, got it. Let's see if they duplicate it in 2020 then.
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:11 am

Does this mean that they will replace 3x weekly A310 by 2x A321 for YQB-CDG? The load factor is already very high with the A310 so I don't understand where they will put the other passengers instead.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:41 am

Indeed if the frequencies listed above are instead of the A310, this is a capacity cut on several routes. Were their TATL operations not (sufficiently) profitable?
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:09 pm

I wouldn't jump to conclusions. It only states the frequency to be operated by 32Q.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:12 pm

blueflyer wrote:
Indeed if the frequencies listed above are instead of the A310, this is a capacity cut on several routes. Were their TATL operations not (sufficiently) profitable?


It is easier to fill 199 seats than 242 seats. And the trip cost has to be way lower.
What it is surprising to see PRG on the list of A321 destinations. The distance from PRG to YUL is 3360nmi. Can a 199 seater A321LR do it against the wind?
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:17 pm

Here at GLA I believe we are getting a 'one off' preview visit in Oct 2019. I assume we'll see no more A310 activity next year then ?
 
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:22 pm

WildcatYXU wrote:
What it is surprising to see PRG on the list of A321 destinations. The distance from PRG to YUL is 3360nmi. Can a 199 seater A321LR do it against the wind?


This is only 40nm further than NCE. The A321LR is advertised with a range of 4000nm.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:13 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
WildcatYXU wrote:
What it is surprising to see PRG on the list of A321 destinations. The distance from PRG to YUL is 3360nmi. Can a 199 seater A321LR do it against the wind?


This is only 40nm further than NCE. The A321LR is advertised with a range of 4000nm.


I know. But isn't the 4000nmi range advertised with 170 pax? OTOH there won't be any cargo as a good portion of the hold is occupied with ACT's. Also, the flight doesn't stop at Iceland, so there's no fish to carry :silly:
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:44 pm

As much as I love the 321neoLR...is anyone out there secretly wishing we were seeing more A310s instead?...
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:10 am

All YYZ-GLA W19 flights operated by the A321.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:13 pm

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As much as I love the 321neoLR...is anyone out there secretly wishing we were seeing more A310s instead?...


Last I heard, 310s will be retired by May/June 2020.
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:26 pm

samuelx88 wrote:
Does this mean that they will replace 3x weekly A310 by 2x A321 for YQB-CDG? The load factor is already very high with the A310 so I don't understand where they will put the other passengers instead.


It means that at this point 2 of the weekly frequencies will be on that aircraft type. It does not mean that those are the only frequencies.

BTW, Routes Online lists the 321LR to PRG as a one-off.

I sure hope (but am not holding my breath) that the 321LR will mark the reinstatement of transatlantic ops outside of YYZ and YUL. The 321 is the perfectly sized aircraft for a place like YOW to the likes of LGW, CDG, GLA and DUB 1-3x/week. They could easily base a 321 at both YQB & YOW if they can ever get past their YUL bubble.
 
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:14 pm

Theres a question mark over YYZ from GLA (after YYC, YVR and Montreal all dropped in recent years) so cant see Ottowa. At one point YYZ was almost daily, now seems down to twice weekly on smaller narrowbody, though schedule from June S20 ex GLA not confirmed
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:30 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
I sure hope (but am not holding my breath) that the 321LR will mark the reinstatement of transatlantic ops outside of YYZ and YUL. The 321 is the perfectly sized aircraft for a place like YOW to the likes of LGW, CDG, GLA and DUB 1-3x/week. They could easily base a 321 at both YQB & YOW if they can ever get past their YUL bubble.


Yes they could do that, I agree. AF and BA should also do the same to fly directly to smaller markets like YOW, YQB or YHZ with their A321 seasonally. Or maybe European charters as well?

If Air Transat gets rid of their 737 to replace them by larger A321, does that mean they might reduce flight from smaller town like YQM in New Brunswick?
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:39 pm

samuelx88 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
I sure hope (but am not holding my breath) that the 321LR will mark the reinstatement of transatlantic ops outside of YYZ and YUL. The 321 is the perfectly sized aircraft for a place like YOW to the likes of LGW, CDG, GLA and DUB 1-3x/week. They could easily base a 321 at both YQB & YOW if they can ever get past their YUL bubble.


Yes they could do that, I agree. AF and BA should also do the same to fly directly to smaller markets like YOW, YQB or YHZ with their A321 seasonally. Or maybe European charters as well?

If Air Transat gets rid of their 737 to replace them by larger A321, does that mean they might reduce flight from smaller town like YQM in New Brunswick?


Probably not as they've also taken on A320s this winter season, which actually is a 4.5% capacity cut from the 738s that will be replaced. There's no reason why a market like YQM can't absorb an extra 10 seats on the 321 vs the 738.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:50 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
samuelx88 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
I sure hope (but am not holding my breath) that the 321LR will mark the reinstatement of transatlantic ops outside of YYZ and YUL. The 321 is the perfectly sized aircraft for a place like YOW to the likes of LGW, CDG, GLA and DUB 1-3x/week. They could easily base a 321 at both YQB & YOW if they can ever get past their YUL bubble.


Yes they could do that, I agree. AF and BA should also do the same to fly directly to smaller markets like YOW, YQB or YHZ with their A321 seasonally. Or maybe European charters as well?

If Air Transat gets rid of their 737 to replace them by larger A321, does that mean they might reduce flight from smaller town like YQM in New Brunswick?


Probably not as they've also taken on A320s this winter season, which actually is a 4.5% capacity cut from the 738s that will be replaced. There's no reason why a market like YQM can't absorb an extra 10 seats on the 321 vs the 738.


The 2 A320's were wet-leased from Condor and only operated out of YYZ, YHM, YXU and YQG. They are both gone for the winter now, they were only on lease from mid December to early April. Also the 5 737's currently part of the fleet year round will be staying until 2022. After that the fleet is planned as all A321's (a mix of ceo's & neo's) and A330's.

They kept all of the A321's out West this year, basing them from YVR all the way to YQB. Everything East of YQB, including YQM & YHZ, was 737 and will probably stay that way next year as well.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:38 pm

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Theres a question mark over YYZ from GLA (after YYC, YVR and Montreal all dropped in recent years) so cant see Ottowa. At one point YYZ was almost daily, now seems down to twice weekly on smaller narrowbody, though schedule from June S20 ex GLA not confirmed
There's a question mark over the logic of some posters on this forum. The A321 will operate twice weekly, the rest of the flights are to continue to be operated by the A310 and A330.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:35 pm

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I know. But isn't the 4000nmi range advertised with 170 pax? OTOH there won't be any cargo as a good portion of the hold is occupied with ACT's. Also, the flight doesn't stop at Iceland, so there's no fish to carry :silly:


According to Airbus, the 4000nm is the range for a 2-class configured aircraft with 206 seats.

digitalcloud wrote:
There's a question mark over the logic of some posters on this forum. The A321 will operate twice weekly, the rest of the flights are to continue to be operated by the A310 and A330.


Indeed, here we only talk about the routes that are scheduled to be operated by the new member of the fleet, it doesn't include all the other flights operated by other types.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:46 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
As much as I love the 321neoLR...is anyone out there secretly wishing we were seeing more A310s instead?...


Oh for sure. I love the older machines. Just as I rather see A340’s, MD11’s or 747’s then A330’s or 777’s. The rarer the better.
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:23 pm



Just ONE overwing exit? Any idea why? Or does the LR just has one, opposite to the non LR with two?

Btw. are those overwings exits "swing up" like B737NG/Max?
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:09 am

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Just ONE overwing exit? Any idea why? Or does the LR just has one, opposite to the non LR with two?

Btw. are those overwings exits "swing up" like B737NG/Max?




Air Transat doesn't have enough seats on board to justify the full complement of exits. They have quite a spacious layout, with 32 inch pitch in economy. Yes, the overwing exits are the 737 style flip up exits.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:54 am

This is amazing! Everyone that I know (working) at Air Transat, loves it. I'd love to fly for these guys. The flying will be very diverse on the Airbus fleet(s)
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:25 am

oldannyboy wrote:
As much as I love the 321neoLR...is anyone out there secretly wishing we were seeing more A310s instead?...


I still dream of an A310 NEO... CRFP wings, 160T MTOW, 55klbs GTFs, A330 systems, 250pax + LD3 with cargo capacity, twin aisle 2-4-2 comfort, 40T payload capacity on TATL.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:44 am

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Air Transat doesn't have enough seats on board to justify the full complement of exits. They have quite a spacious layout, with 32 inch pitch in economy. Yes, the overwing exits are the 737 style flip up exits.


Thank you - I checked with ARKIA and again only 1 OW exit, despite full Economy with 220 seats! Is the OW exit to differentiate between the -neo and the neo LR?!
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:57 am

debonair wrote:
b4thefall wrote:
Air Transat doesn't have enough seats on board to justify the full complement of exits. They have quite a spacious layout, with 32 inch pitch in economy. Yes, the overwing exits are the 737 style flip up exits.


Thank you - I checked with ARKIA and again only 1 OW exit, despite full Economy with 220 seats! Is the OW exit to differentiate between the -neo and the neo LR?!


220 is the max for this exit configuration I believe - any more and you need 2 OW exits eg Easyjet, Wizz
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:42 pm

The 2nd OW door is there, it's just de-activated.

With a 12/187 config (199 total seats), the need for the 2nd door is not there.

If TS decides to put in more seats, the 2nd door can be re-activated and off they go.
 
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The 2nd OW door is there, it's just de-activated.


And you can see it on the photo.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:05 pm

Looks a nice aircraft and just a nice fit for TS. Will miss the widebody transatlantic feel of the venerable A310's though which again have been a great fit for TS. Wonder what the IFE provision is on the A321s ?
 
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Wonder what the IFE provision is on the A321s ?


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Francoflier wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
As much as I love the 321neoLR...is anyone out there secretly wishing we were seeing more A310s instead?...


I still dream of an A310 NEO... CRFP wings, 160T MTOW, 55klbs GTFs, A330 systems, 250pax + LD3 with cargo capacity, twin aisle 2-4-2 comfort, 40T payload capacity on TATL.
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Yeah, me too. As much as I love the 321, flying long-haul on one versus the A310 is like comparing a long car journey on a brand new Ford Fiesta (modern, efficient, well-built) to vis a vis a big old V6 automatic Ford barge. I know which one I'd pick for a long journey. :shhh: :shhh:
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:57 am

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Looks a nice aircraft and just a nice fit for TS. Will miss the widebody transatlantic feel of the venerable A310's though which again have been a great fit for TS.


Agree :checkmark: Size matters. 8-)
Yes it does. Sorry guys.. :laughing:

When going long-haul the feel of a nice big wide body cabin makes a ton of difference. I know it's mostly 'visuals' and I know that the personal space is the same, the seat is the same, the legroom is the same... blah blah...
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:41 am

You would rather be squeezed into a thirty year old, NINE abreast A310?? There's nothing big about a nine abreast A310.

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Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:31 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
by738 wrote:
Looks a nice aircraft and just a nice fit for TS. Will miss the widebody transatlantic feel of the venerable A310's though which again have been a great fit for TS.


Agree :checkmark: Size matters. 8-)
Yes it does. Sorry guys.. :laughing:

When going long-haul the feel of a nice big wide body cabin makes a ton of difference. I know it's mostly 'visuals' and I know that the personal space is the same, the seat is the same, the legroom is the same... blah blah...
Size is king and I'm a size queen! :thumbsup: :spin:


For personal space, a 9 abreast 310 is much narrower than a 6 abreast 321.
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:24 am

Dominion301 wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
by738 wrote:
Looks a nice aircraft and just a nice fit for TS. Will miss the widebody transatlantic feel of the venerable A310's though which again have been a great fit for TS.


Agree :checkmark: Size matters. 8-)
Yes it does. Sorry guys.. :laughing:

When going long-haul the feel of a nice big wide body cabin makes a ton of difference. I know it's mostly 'visuals' and I know that the personal space is the same, the seat is the same, the legroom is the same... blah blah...
Size is king and I'm a size queen! :thumbsup: :spin:


For personal space, a 9 abreast 310 is much narrower than a 6 abreast 321.


Yeah, a non issue to me. Personally I'm fine with 9-across on an A310 - done that many times. I'm a slim person. And Air Transat have excellent legroom, which is FAR more important than seat width.
I'd take a 9-abreast wide-body Airbus ANY DAY over a brand new A321 for a long haul flight.
There's no substitute for SIZE when you fly long-haul. Not to mention how much more reassuring an A310 feels when in the inevitable patch of rough north-Atlantic turbulence over an A321. No comparison. The A310 just quietly glides through it.
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:27 am

mullac30 wrote:
You would rather be squeezed into a thirty year old, NINE abreast A310?? There's nothing big about a nine abreast A310.

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Oh yes, and gladly. The A310 IS and FEELS much bigger and much more solid that an A310. It is a much bigger aircraft with a distinct 'big aircraft feel' about it. :thumbsup:

9-across on the Airbus is the stereotypical A.netter's personal drama. :lol: So scary!!!!!!!
 
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Re: Air Transat's A321LR scheduled European routes for Summer 2020

Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:13 pm

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Theres a question mark over YYZ from GLA (after YYC, YVR and Montreal all dropped in recent years) so cant see Ottowa. At one point YYZ was almost daily, now seems down to twice weekly on smaller narrowbody, though schedule from June S20 ex GLA not confirmed


Nowhere is on sale for summer 2020 yet, as it stands it is twice weekly in April as it always and will most likely follow the same schedule as this year 4xweekly and rising to 5xweekly from June/July, summer 2020 should be released in a few weeks, and that's from Air Transat direct
 
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Yes, you're right - all those routes are being drastically downgraded to just a few weekly flights on an A321........

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