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Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:24 pm

When I checked the nonstop flight schedule between SFO and MIA, The fare is expensive and only 3 daily flights offered by AA. How come UA and AS don't fly SFO-MIA?

I'm not comparing SFO with NYC where have more than 30 daily flights to MIA, but some international routes like SFO-LHR, SFO-HKG,etc...which also offer double of the frequencies than what SFO-MIA does. How about the demand between SFO and MIA?
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 pm

I see 4 daily flights today on SFO-FLL today. UA has one, Alaska has one and JetBlue has two. I would book SFO-FLL on Alaska or JetBlue. Also for some reason Google Flights doesn't show MIA/FLL as one region with multiple airports but as different regions.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:31 pm

Well you have 3 airlines including AS and UA flying SFO-FLL instead.

MIA is an AA hub and an expensive airport to operate from. For much of the domestic demand FLL works well and its a lower cost facility.
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:38 pm

Also you only need MIA for the smaller cities of connecting traffic to Latin America as the bigger ones are connected to LAX already (GRU, EZE, SCL, LIM, BOG, PTY, SJO, SAL, MEX, CUN, etc.)
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Proximity of FLL to MIA notwithstanding it is quite surprising that UA very recently cut SFO-MIA (again). If nothing else, Miami tends to be a much more luxurious destination than Fort Lauderdale...
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:59 pm

Limited demand perhaps?
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:19 pm

Most of the cruise traffic goes to FLL. Delta also provides countless connections to pretty much everywhere in Florida via its mega ATL hub.
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:44 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
Proximity of FLL to MIA notwithstanding it is quite surprising that UA very recently cut SFO-MIA (again). If nothing else, Miami tends to be a much more luxurious destination than Fort Lauderdale...



the Luxury of Miami is really centralized to the Lincoln Road and beachfront area of Miami Beach. Its not enough to increase demand to force UA to offer a SFO-MIA flight, even for the front of the plane.

The Luxury appeal of Miami draws more from South America.

There are lots of factors in deciding between FLL and MIA as your destination airport. FLL is almost always cheaper. Many people stay in 2nd homes/condos or with friends and family. FLL is situated much more easily in terms of traffic flow to head West, East, North or South.

MIA competes with FLL to the North. I believe South of Miami are less affluent areas and then not much before the Florida Keys.

Let's put it this way. Which airport you use, can depend very specifically on the roads you can access easiest.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:51 pm

OAK-FLL nonstop service could be added by WN since (a) WN has more market share on domestic air travel in the MIA/FLL market than any of its LCC or ULCC competitors, (b) WN has a significant FF base in both the San Francisco Bay Area and the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area to support OAK-FLL nonstop service, (c) OAK and SJC currently do not have any nonstop service to MIA or FLL on any airline, and (d) there are some travelers in the San Francisco Bay Area who prefer to fly on WN over AA.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:59 am

There are also lots of on the way 1-stop options by all the airlines. It is a long flight.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:08 am

spinkid wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
Proximity of FLL to MIA notwithstanding it is quite surprising that UA very recently cut SFO-MIA (again). If nothing else, Miami tends to be a much more luxurious destination than Fort Lauderdale...



the Luxury of Miami is really centralized to the Lincoln Road and beachfront area of Miami Beach. Its not enough to increase demand to force UA to offer a SFO-MIA flight, even for the front of the plane.

The Luxury appeal of Miami draws more from South America.

There are lots of factors in deciding between FLL and MIA as your destination airport. FLL is almost always cheaper. Many people stay in 2nd homes/condos or with friends and family. FLL is situated much more easily in terms of traffic flow to head West, East, North or South.

MIA competes with FLL to the North. I believe South of Miami are less affluent areas and then not much before the Florida Keys.

Let's put it this way. Which airport you use, can depend very specifically on the roads you can access easiest.

It’s been a few years since I lived in Miami, but I don’t think you’re accurately describing the wealth distribution of South Florida well, and are also equating Miami with only Miami Beach (home to Lincoln Road which is actually a rather unluxurious string of mostly the same shops one can find in any mall), which is a separate city and far from all that Miami offers. You’ll find that many of the suburbs south and west of Miami are quite affluent and much closer to MIA than FLL, as in anyone living there would have to drive past MIA to get to FLL. Think Coral Gables, Kendall, Pinecrest, Coconut Grove (technically part of Miami), parts of South Miami, etc etc, even going up to parts of Doral. If you live basically Midtown Miami and south—and a lot of wealthy people do—MIA is much easier to access. And all of this goes without saying that MIA commands a clear fare premium over FLL in most cases.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:25 am

airzona11 wrote:
There are also lots of on the way 1-stop options by all the airlines. It is a long flight.


Yes...DFW, IAH, DEN, PHX, LAX and even ORD and CLT.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:27 am

luckyone wrote:
spinkid wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
Proximity of FLL to MIA notwithstanding it is quite surprising that UA very recently cut SFO-MIA (again). If nothing else, Miami tends to be a much more luxurious destination than Fort Lauderdale...



the Luxury of Miami is really centralized to the Lincoln Road and beachfront area of Miami Beach. Its not enough to increase demand to force UA to offer a SFO-MIA flight, even for the front of the plane.

The Luxury appeal of Miami draws more from South America.

There are lots of factors in deciding between FLL and MIA as your destination airport. FLL is almost always cheaper. Many people stay in 2nd homes/condos or with friends and family. FLL is situated much more easily in terms of traffic flow to head West, East, North or South.

MIA competes with FLL to the North. I believe South of Miami are less affluent areas and then not much before the Florida Keys.

Let's put it this way. Which airport you use, can depend very specifically on the roads you can access easiest.

It’s been a few years since I lived in Miami, but I don’t think you’re accurately describing the wealth distribution of South Florida well, and are also equating Miami with only Miami Beach (home to Lincoln Road which is actually a rather unluxurious string of mostly the same shops one can find in any mall), which is a separate city and far from all that Miami offers. You’ll find that many of the suburbs south and west of Miami are quite affluent and much closer to MIA than FLL, as in anyone living there would have to drive past MIA to get to FLL. Think Coral Gables, Kendall, Pinecrest, Coconut Grove (technically part of Miami), parts of South Miami, etc etc, even going up to parts of Doral. If you live basically Midtown Miami and south—and a lot of wealthy people do—MIA is much easier to access. And all of this goes without saying that MIA commands a clear fare premium over FLL in most cases.

Yeah. He had no idea what he was talking about. The main business center in So. Fla is the Downtown Miami/Brickell area. These are also affluent residential areas as are the other areas you mentioned.

Just to add while I’m not sure which airport cruise traffic prefers, the Port of Miami (which is much closer to MIA) is a larger cruise port than Port Everglades (which is much closer to FLL).
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:05 am

The truth is several things.... including what others have already said but one big one is the different cultures. MIA is a AA hub used for many things especially for connections to/from Caribbean islands, South America, Central America. The Bay Area and most of California pulls it's Latin heritage mostly from Mexico and Central America, and Portugal.... not from Argentina or from Haiti for example... Not to say those folks can't or don't live in California, just not nearly the numbers that do in NYC or Boston, Was etc.... So you do not get the ethnic O/D traffic or so much connecting traffic because Californians usually go to Hawaii or South Pacific, Mexico. Plus there have been a number of routes opened up from SFO and LAX that offer either non-stop already or better quicker connections such as PTY for those that say want to travel to Brazil. Moreover, The Miami Scene does not seem to appeal to many Bay-Area people or NW people like Seattle as a tourist spot, yes cruises out of FLL or a trip to Disney. But both of these have a west coast option if need be.
There are a lot more options for traveling South nowadays especially since many loyal and corporate flyers in SFO are going to stick to UA/star alliance which means IAH or Direct/Partners etc. Miami is just not the necessary hub transfer spot that it used to be say 20 years ago.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:17 am

United was doing it on the 737-800. Maybe it haz something to do with the grounding of the Max? They may have needed that aircraft on another route.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:28 am

spinkid wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
Proximity of FLL to MIA notwithstanding it is quite surprising that UA very recently cut SFO-MIA (again). If nothing else, Miami tends to be a much more luxurious destination than Fort Lauderdale...



the Luxury of Miami is really centralized to the Lincoln Road and beachfront area of Miami Beach. Its not enough to increase demand to force UA to offer a SFO-MIA flight, even for the front of the plane.

The Luxury appeal of Miami draws more from South America.

There are lots of factors in deciding between FLL and MIA as your destination airport. FLL is almost always cheaper. Many people stay in 2nd homes/condos or with friends and family. FLL is situated much more easily in terms of traffic flow to head West, East, North or South.

MIA competes with FLL to the North. I believe South of Miami are less affluent areas and then not much before the Florida Keys.

Let's put it this way. Which airport you use, can depend very specifically on the roads you can access easiest.

For affluence, there are plenty of affluent areas south of MIA. If you consider north all the way to West Palm Beach then there is more to the north. Closer to the north are some very non-affluent areas.
 
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:42 am

Etheereal wrote:
Limited demand perhaps?


It’s a huge local market. It’s also very well served. AA runs up to four daily flights depending on time of year, plus UA, B6 (with Mint) and sometimes AS from FLL.

UA was running from both MIA and FLL until recently.

With both cities on opposite ends of the country, and with both well serviced domestically and internationally, it’s likely an O&D centric pair.
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Re: Why limited flights connecting between SFO and MIA?

Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:47 am

There are 4 airlines on it, way more than most other cities.
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