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Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:59 pm

Below is the link to the changes already announced.

Out of YUL, BRU, NRT and PVG will be keep their 789s instead of being downgraded to the-8. It means that on each flight to/from these cities, 43 additional seats will be available. I'm it will have a positive impact on YUL's traffic figures.

If approved, YVR-AKL will launch as a new route from December 12th, 4x weekly operated with a 788.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-24apr19/
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:34 pm

Not to mention YUL-GRU with 789. But I'm a little bit skeptic about it.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:36 pm

geoshina wrote:
Not to mention YUL-GRU with 789. But I'm a little bit skeptic about it.


AC downgauged YYZ-GRU from the high density 777 to a 789 for next winter to compensate for the new YUL flight. Overall, their capacity stays relatively equal in a market that actually sees an overall reduction in seats to North America due to LA/DL pulling out.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:44 pm

I wish AC would make YVR-MEL daily from 4X weekly year round.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:52 pm

Here's what stood out for me:

Montreal – Casablanca
27OCT19 – 14NOV19 767-300ER replaces A330-300, 3 weekly
eff 07DEC19 Increase from 3 to 4 weekly for winter season


This means that the mainline 763 fleet will be sticking around a bit longer. Must mean YYZ-YOW-LHR will also stay 763.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:10 pm

These route adjustments and the announcement of wet-leasing wide-body long haul aircraft make me think that people smarter than me seem to think that the MAX will be grounded longer than the July 1 original target date.

Air Canada is working under a double whammy ... not just the 24 737s grounded, but the dozen or so that were to be delivered in 2019 and for which advanced planning was made, are now delayed as well too.
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:05 pm

I saw elsewhere that Air Canada is now saying they are planning for the Max to be unavailable though August.
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:49 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Here's what stood out for me:

Montreal – Casablanca
27OCT19 – 14NOV19 767-300ER replaces A330-300, 3 weekly
eff 07DEC19 Increase from 3 to 4 weekly for winter season


This means that the mainline 763 fleet will be sticking around a bit longer. Must mean YYZ-YOW-LHR will also stay 763.



At least till mid-November. I guess we can assume this change is related too to the grounding, but can it also be related to the refurbishment of the A333s? Also, I'm going to ask it again, do we know when the last of the four additional A333s will join the fleet?
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:56 pm

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These route adjustments and the announcement of wet-leasing wide-body long haul aircraft make me think that people smarter than me seem to think that the MAX will be grounded longer than the July 1 original target date.


It seems so indeed. I remember seeing an FAA person on TV some weeks ago that said it's going to take time, subtly pointing at Boeing's PR efforts about the fix they were working on to make the fleet air-worthy again soon. Since the agency is also under pressure with the certification, it will indeed take time.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:35 am

Surely these four A330-300s from TAP can't come in too soon!
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:57 am

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These route adjustments and the announcement of wet-leasing wide-body long haul aircraft make me think that people smarter than me seem to think that the MAX will be grounded longer than the July 1 original target date.

Air Canada is working under a double whammy ... not just the 24 737s grounded, but the dozen or so that were to be delivered in 2019 and for which advanced planning was made, are now delayed as well too.

Saw a “news” article today claiming they’re banned until at least August at this point. Probably the worst off of all the North American MAX operators for sure as all the other can just cover it up with other 737s. As a passenger I can’t complain, I’ve been trying to avoid flying on the thing since they came into service and will be really easy for the next few months I guess.

Man those A220s can’t come soon enough... maybe get some new A321NXs while they’re at it
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:41 pm

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longhauler wrote:
These route adjustments and the announcement of wet-leasing wide-body long haul aircraft make me think that people smarter than me seem to think that the MAX will be grounded longer than the July 1 original target date.

Air Canada is working under a double whammy ... not just the 24 737s grounded, but the dozen or so that were to be delivered in 2019 and for which advanced planning was made, are now delayed as well too.

Saw a “news” article today claiming they’re banned until at least August at this point. Probably the worst off of all the North American MAX operators for sure as all the other can just cover it up with other 737s. As a passenger I can’t complain, I’ve been trying to avoid flying on the thing since they came into service and will be really easy for the next few months I guess.

Man those A220s can’t come soon enough... maybe get some new A321NXs while they’re at it


The challenge they face is they don't know exactly how long it will be until TC approves the fix, and then they still have to reactivate the fleet, and get pilots recurrent, by that time, all will be out of 3 takeoffs/landings in 90 days, which is the limit of currency. The review panel is currently underway, the fix is done and tested (I have personally spoken to pilots who flew tests at Boeing from Canadian carriers, they can confirm it is in fact ready to go) it will likely be a little while before the fix is actually approved by the government however, they will want to make it at least appear like they are taking their time to review.

Regarding the thread topic, impressive additions at YUL, I think it's pretty clear that right now, in terms of long haul performance, they are very much at the front of the pack for AC. Nice to see ICN get some bumping from AC as well. I'd also anticipate AMS increases significantly over the winter to compensate for the loss of Jet and their daily 77W. It's a pretty substantial reduction in seats.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:41 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
The challenge they face is they don't know exactly how long it will be until TC approves the fix, and then they still have to reactivate the fleet, and get pilots recurrent, by that time, all will be out of 3 takeoffs/landings in 90 days, which is the limit of currency.


Three T/Os and Landings in 90 days is correct, or, a simulator session.

All AC 737 pilots are being paid, so AC is sending them once a month into the simulator. This is for a few reasons ... the biggest is being current on MCAS, Unreliable Airspeed and Runaway Stab Trim drills. In doing that, they are maintaining currency.

The fleet shouldn't need too much reactivating, as Maintenance too is keeping them "current". Wifi installation which was being deferred until the Autumn is presently being installed.

The wild card really are the airframes which were to be delivered right now, which are sitting in Seattle. Boeing is maintaining ownership of them so AC can't do too much to them. And, I would imagine, both Air Canada and Transport Canada is going to go over them very carefully when they do have access to them. Lets face it, Boeing has a very long way to go to ever be considered a quality airframe manufacturer again. Same thing with FAA as a reputable regulator.
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:16 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
Regarding the thread topic, impressive additions at YUL, I think it's pretty clear that right now, in terms of long haul performance, they are very much at the front of the pack for AC.


Yes, even FCO, after I mentioned earlier BRU, NRT and PVG, gets a capacitiy boost compared to last winter.


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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:29 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Below is the link to the changes already announced.

Out of YUL, BRU, NRT and PVG will be keep their 789s instead of being downgraded to the-8. It means that on each flight to/from these cities, 43 additional seats will be available. I'm it will have a positive impact on YUL's traffic figures.

If approved, YVR-AKL will launch as a new route from December 12th, 4x weekly operated with a 788.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-24apr19/


Thank you for sharing this information! Interesting that Montreal has such a steady demand for this route - not everything has to go through YVR or YYZ.

AC 788: 20J/21Y+/210Y
AC 789: 30J/21Y+/247Y

That's from seatguru.com, so if the information is wrong, it's on their end.

The biggest deal to me, though, is the additional 10 business seats - could it be that premium demand on these routes really is high enough year-round?

Definitely congrats to YVR for this new AKL route!

Technically the term is "downgauge" when referring to the substitution of a smaller-capacity airplane. "Downgrade" means getting booted from your paid first class seat because a million-miler appears at the last second forcing you into coach. :D
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:39 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

AC 788: 20J/21Y+/210Y


Actually it's 20/ 21/ 214, per Air Canada: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/hom ... fleet.html
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:48 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

AC 788: 20J/21Y+/210Y


Actually it's 20/ 21/ 214, per Air Canada: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/hom ... fleet.html


One of the bean counters at AC found a way to squeeze in four additional seats. Sounds like removal of regular toilets and installation of the so-hated MAX facilities...

Thanks for the update!
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:56 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

AC 788: 20J/21Y+/210Y


Actually it's 20/ 21/ 214, per Air Canada: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/hom ... fleet.html


One of the bean counters at AC found a way to squeeze in four additional seats. Sounds like removal of regular toilets and installation of the so-hated MAX facilities...

Thanks for the update!


Actually it was the removal of cabin crew storage space so as to add 4 more seats and also less overhead room (with 4 more pax and fa bags now in the overhead instead of the closet).
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Tue May 07, 2019 12:45 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:


Not unexpected. I was surprised it was not 5x weekly last winter.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Tue May 07, 2019 1:32 pm

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Has the UAE-Canada bilateral changed?

I thought it was limited to 4 frequencies per week, per carrier.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Tue May 07, 2019 1:40 pm

bhxalex wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:


Has the UAE-Canada bilateral changed?

I thought it was limited to 4 frequencies per week, per carrier.


The limit is 5x per week, per carrier. Note how EK and RY are 5x weekly for example to Toronto. The bilateral with Qatar is 4x, that night he the confusion.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Tue May 07, 2019 1:56 pm

bhxalex wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:


Has the UAE-Canada bilateral changed?

I thought it was limited to 4 frequencies per week, per carrier.


The bilateral with the UAE was expanded slightly last year.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Wed May 08, 2019 11:44 am

By any chance will we see YVR-MEL go daily?
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Wed May 08, 2019 12:29 pm

YYZORD wrote:
By any chance will we see YVR-MEL go daily?


By chance? No. Only if there are needs and rights to do so.
 
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Wed May 08, 2019 12:52 pm

dr1980 wrote:
I saw elsewhere that Air Canada is now saying they are planning for the Max to be unavailable though August.


Yes. My 737 max flights in mid July have been changed already by AC to A320 each direction. (YVR-LAX)
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Re: Air Canada NW19 Long-Haul changes

Wed May 08, 2019 2:39 pm

I'm taking the YUL-PVG flight June 1, the day it switches to the -9. Although I live near Boston here in southern New Hampshire, I like taking AC internationally. Coming home through YYZ, also a -9.
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