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Southwest's 737-200s

Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:12 pm

There's a few key dates on the SWA timeline that are easy to answer, such as delivery and sunset dates, fleet counts, etc. But a question that I'm struggling to recall the answer to is the year that SWA began "recalling" the remaining 737-200's in the fleet to run the "Texas Triangle" before final fleet retirement.

Does anyone know when the 737-200s largely ceased flying the majority of the WN network and returned home to fly routes in Texas (before retirement of the fleet)?

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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:03 am

I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domiciles. Once that number was approximately 25, it was just DAL. The final -200 flight was January of 2005.
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:06 am

I always wondered if a -200 ever came to Manchester?
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:13 am

barney captain wrote:
I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domiciles. Once that number was approximately 25, it was just DAL. The final -200 flight was January of 2005.



Barney did you ever do powerbacks
in the -200 ?
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:22 am

barney captain wrote:
I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domiciles. Once that number was approximately 25, it was just DAL. The final -200 flight was January of 2005.


Before the side letter, were WN's 732s flying the entire network (except SNA) in early 2002?
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:46 am

Max Q wrote:
barney captain wrote:
I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domiciles. Once that number was approximately 25, it was just DAL. The final -200 flight was January of 2005.



Barney did you ever do powerbacks
in the -200 ?


Only a handful. They were, shall we say, "frowned upon". ;)
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:02 am

mrskyguy wrote:
barney captain wrote:
I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domiciles. Once that number was approximately 25, it was just DAL. The final -200 flight was January of 2005.


Before the side letter, were WN's 732s flying the entire network (except SNA) in early 2002?


Ish. For all intents they could have been (except, as you say SNA), but practically speaking they were largely in the footprint of what once was the SWA of the late 1990's. On the west coast, it was very rare to see one show up after that point - hence the FAA's currency issue and the need for the Side Letter.
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:35 am

mrskyguy wrote:
barney captain wrote:
I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domiciles. Once that number was approximately 25, it was just DAL. The final -200 flight was January of 2005.


Before the side letter, were WN's 732s flying the entire network (except SNA) in early 2002?


When I worked for SWA back in 2000 we would get a VERY rare 732 to stop by at ONT. I know I worked 2 of them for sure. After 2000 I don't remember seeing them. HP still had them show up at ONT, it seemed daily, until 2004.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:07 pm

For some reason those tiny engines fascinate me.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:57 am

barney captain wrote:
Max Q wrote:
barney captain wrote:
I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domiciles. Once that number was approximately 25, it was just DAL. The final -200 flight was January of 2005.



Barney did you ever do powerbacks
in the -200 ?


Only a handful. They were, shall we say, "frowned upon". ;)



Understand, engines were a big vulnerable to fod, I wondered as I remember riding in
a Delta 732 that did a powerback
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:40 pm

I remember flying a 732 from TUL-DAL-TUL on 9/11/2002. Remember sitting in the "lounge" sitting area.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:47 pm

Re: Manchester, WN began MHT service on June 7, 1998. I checked American Express SkyGuides for about two years after that and only saw 737-300s, -500s, and -700s. No -200s found at MHT.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:29 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
For some reason those tiny engines fascinate me.


JT8D, same as the MD80. Last of the old generation low-bypass engines still in widespread commercial service.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:45 pm

WWads wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
For some reason those tiny engines fascinate me.


JT8D, same as the MD80. Last of the old generation low-bypass engines still in widespread commercial service.


Practically speaking, its closer to the DC9 than the MD80 engine. The MD80's used the 200 series JT8D, while the 737-200 and DC9 series did not.
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:50 pm

I believe only one -200, N96SW, got the Canyon Blue paint scheme which began in early 2001.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:29 pm

WWads wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
For some reason those tiny engines fascinate me.


JT8D, same as the MD80. Last of the old generation low-bypass engines still in widespread commercial service.


DL was still flying DC9's with old low-bypass JT8D's (.96 to 1) until 2014. The -200 series on the MD-80's are 1.74 to 1.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:04 pm

Chuska wrote:
I believe only one -200, N96SW, got the Canyon Blue paint scheme which began in early 2001.

Yes! And urban legend has it that was done by mistake!
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:21 pm

Chuska wrote:
I believe only one -200, N96SW, got the Canyon Blue paint scheme which began in early 2001.


Yes, I was lucky to hitch a ride on it MCI-IND back in the day. Being an avid A-nutter way back when I knew how special it was.
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:28 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
WWads wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
For some reason those tiny engines fascinate me.


JT8D, same as the MD80. Last of the old generation low-bypass engines still in widespread commercial service.


Practically speaking, its closer to the DC9 than the MD80 engine. The MD80's used the 200 series JT8D, while the 737-200 and DC9 series did not.


...and the same as the 727 engines, except those had three of them.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:54 pm

tomaheath wrote:
I always wondered if a -200 ever came to Manchester?


Chuska wrote:
Re: Manchester, WN began MHT service on June 7, 1998. I checked American Express SkyGuides for about two years after that and only saw 737-300s, -500s, and -700s. No -200s found at MHT.


One did appear as an aircraft swap in MHT on at least one occasion. I was on it.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:38 pm

This is Southwest's February 2001 route map. Would it be safe to say that the -200s flew through all of these cities at least once (with the exception of SNA) before they were recalled to the Texas Triangle?

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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:08 pm

mrskyguy wrote:
This is Southwest's February 2001 route map. Would it be safe to say that the -200s flew through all of these cities at least once (with the exception of SNA) before they were recalled to the Texas Triangle?

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They've been to SNA too.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:22 pm

mrskyguy wrote:
This is Southwest's February 2001 route map. Would it be safe to say that the -200s flew through all of these cities at least once (with the exception of SNA) before they were recalled to the Texas Triangle?

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That route map had me thinking...

What cities to WN service out of IAH?
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:33 pm

Galvan316 wrote:
mrskyguy wrote:
This is Southwest's February 2001 route map. Would it be safe to say that the -200s flew through all of these cities at least once (with the exception of SNA) before they were recalled to the Texas Triangle?

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That route map had me thinking...

What cities to WN service out of IAH?


IAH had something like 7x all to DAL.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:07 pm

I remember flying in 2000 on a WN 737-200 from HOU to MSY, but it was a continuation of a flight from LAX-ELP-HOU.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Mon May 27, 2019 11:50 pm

When was the last desert livery 737 repainted into canyon livery?

What type of 737 was this plane?
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 12:25 am

blacksoviet wrote:
When was the last desert livery 737 repainted into canyon livery?

What type of 737 was this plane?


It was a -300 in 2009. I believe it was N347SW
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 4:30 am

Why does everyone keep saying "except SNA" when AirCal had no problem flying theirs in?
This implies there's some kind of performance limitation for the -200s at the time, preventing them from operating there.
AirCal's -200s were plane Jane versions. Southwest's weren't. There shouldn't have been an issue and they almost certainly showed up there as subs (or scheduled!).
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 4:39 am

WN732 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
When was the last desert livery 737 repainted into canyon livery?

What type of 737 was this plane?


It was a -300 in 2009. I believe it was N347SW

They should have just kept it in the desert livery until retirement in 2013.When did Southwest begin retiring the 737-200s?
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 4:59 am

blacksoviet wrote:
WN732 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
When was the last desert livery 737 repainted into canyon livery?

What type of 737 was this plane?


It was a -300 in 2009. I believe it was N347SW

They should have just kept it in the desert livery until retirement in 2013.When did Southwest begin retiring the 737-200s?


I know the last one was gone in 2005 but I don’t know when they started getting rid of them. That’s a good question.
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 5:04 am

KFTG wrote:
Why does everyone keep saying "except SNA" when AirCal had no problem flying theirs in?
This implies there's some kind of performance limitation for the -200s at the time, preventing them from operating there.
AirCal's -200s were plane Jane versions. Southwest's weren't. There shouldn't have been an issue and they almost certainly showed up there as subs (or scheduled!).


Perhaps Southwest began flights after noise restrictions changed at SNA and Air Cal had stopped flying -200s there prior to that? Someone with more background could answer for certain.
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 6:54 am

blacksoviet wrote:
WN732 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
When was the last desert livery 737 repainted into canyon livery?

What type of 737 was this plane?


It was a -300 in 2009. I believe it was N347SW

They should have just kept it in the desert livery until retirement in 2013.When did Southwest begin retiring the 737-200s?




lol They repainted a handful of -300s weeks/months before retirement I think.

Here's one


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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 7:02 am

Veigar wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
WN732 wrote:

It was a -300 in 2009. I believe it was N347SW

They should have just kept it in the desert livery until retirement in 2013.When did Southwest begin retiring the 737-200s?




lol They repainted a handful of -300s weeks/months before retirement I think.

Here's one


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I didn’t know they put winglets on a -300.
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 7:16 am

dampfnudel wrote:
Veigar wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
They should have just kept it in the desert livery until retirement in 2013.When did Southwest begin retiring the 737-200s?




lol They repainted a handful of -300s weeks/months before retirement I think.

Here's one


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I didn’t know they put winglets on a -300.

Pretty sure most had them
 
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 7:51 am

KFTG wrote:
Why does everyone keep saying "except SNA" when AirCal had no problem flying theirs in?
This implies there's some kind of performance limitation for the -200s at the time, preventing them from operating there.
AirCal's -200s were plane Jane versions. Southwest's weren't. There shouldn't have been an issue and they almost certainly showed up there as subs (or scheduled!).


Playing with BTS.gov, I see no instance of a (WN) 73S scheduled into SNA going back to 1995 (the earliest data is available for). Just 733, 735 and late 73G. While there may have been a sub, I’d guess that WN was a good neighbor and recognized the noise sensitivity issues.

Per the database, there were few 73S flights to the West anyway by the mid-1990s.
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Re: Southwest's 737-200s

Tue May 28, 2019 7:53 am

compensateme wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Why does everyone keep saying "except SNA" when AirCal had no problem flying theirs in?
This implies there's some kind of performance limitation for the -200s at the time, preventing them from operating there.
AirCal's -200s were plane Jane versions. Southwest's weren't. There shouldn't have been an issue and they almost certainly showed up there as subs (or scheduled!).


Playing with BTS.gov, I see no instance of a (WN) 73S scheduled into SNA going back to 1995 (the earliest data is available for). Just 733, 735 and late 73G. While there may have been a sub, I’d guess that WN was a good neighbor and recognized the noise sensitivity issues.

Per the database, there were few 73S flights to the West anyway by the mid-1990s.



I'm fairly certain our ops spec prohibited them in SNA.
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Tue May 28, 2019 7:58 am

2003 as I can best recall

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