7BOEING7 wrote:Amexair wrote:OldAeroGuy wrote:
So you're arguing that ignoring the Boeing Procedure of not raising Flaps with an active stick shaker is OK, but changing power or pitch is not OK because it doesn't follow the Boeing Procedure for Flaps down "Unreliable Airspeed" to the letter?
How about some consistency of thought.
First, changing power or pitch can be a prelude to the "Unreliable Airspeed" Procedure of 80% N1 and 10 deg pitch.
Second, the 80% N1 and 10 deg pitch is a preliminary recommendation. It can be modified as conditions require.
Third, previously you discounted using the "Unreliable Airspeed" Procedure as being inappropriate.
Finally, you should revise the ADI in your cut and paste if you want it to reflect the point where ET302 Flaps were retracted. At that point, the FDR traces show the attitude was about 5 deg Nose Up, not Nose Down as you have shown.
Even veteran US pilots working at major US Airlines are in agreement with the actions taken by the pilots. So please take a word or two from them and give us a break.
If that doesn't convince you then I don't know what will.
There's a lot of youtube talking heads out there and they all want to make money doing it -- criticizing the dead doesn't add to there bottom line.
When the final reports come out both flight crews will share a portion of the blame, the ET crew probably more than the Lion Air crew. They were both links in the chain that could have been broken with proper CRM, correct use of checklists and above all flying the airplane, not letting it fly them.
Agree completely. Boeing will have a share of the responsibility, as will the Airlines and the crews and maybe even the vane supplier.